The Flow: Episode 9 - Video First Podcasting Strategy
Podcasting, especially video podcasting, can be a great way to share your message with the world. There are so many things to learn and do, but it's hard to know where to start if you've never done it before.
Producing a podcast can seem daunting at first; it's easy to feel overwhelmed when you're starting something new. Using a Video First approach with Ecamm Live will make it much easier and save you lots of time.
The Flow is here to help. We'll take you step-by-step through creating a video podcast, from planning and production to promotion and monetization. You'll learn how to build an efficient workflow that will make your content shine, leaving you to focus on creating great content.
In this episode, we explain why video should be first as a podcast strategy.
Aloha and welcome to the Flow.
Speaker:I am Doc Rock, community manager here at Ecamm
Speaker:and I'm Katie Fawkes.
Speaker:We're in the same spot again, three weeks running, and today we are
Speaker:doing something really special.
Speaker:Broadcasting live from Ecamm HQ.
Speaker:Well, HQ two.
Speaker:HQ two.
Speaker:Together.
Speaker:We got two HQs.
Speaker:So it's fun to be in the home office again.
Speaker:I love being here because I feel like we get more work done
Speaker:when all of us are together.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Please do not yell at me.
Speaker:People who enjoy working at home, I enjoy working at home.
Speaker:So does Katie.
Speaker:But it is fun to get the team together.
Speaker:And Mr.
Speaker:Camera Junkie is here.
Speaker:So is our support guy, Mr.
Speaker:Tyler over there.
Speaker:Feverously knocking out your tickets.
Speaker:So if you have a support question, ask now cause I know Tyler is right here.
Speaker:We can, we'll live read them out loud.
Speaker:We're live support with Tyler over there, chilling on the couch.
Speaker:So we're gonna start this podcast here.
Speaker:What we wanna do is remind you that it's the live recordings live
Speaker:in front of a studio audience, a studio audience today of three.
Speaker:It happens every Tuesday.
Speaker:12:00 PM Eastern.
Speaker:So if you want to be able to have your questions answered or just see
Speaker:how it all works, sorry Kirk, you can just stop in and be right in the chat.
Speaker:We're on YouTube, so hit our YouTube channel, subscribe it, and make
Speaker:sure you come to the live tapings.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:They're are a lot of fun and it's a great way to not only ask your
Speaker:questions, but see some behind the scenes, really be able to engage, and get
Speaker:to know the community a little better.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:This is kind of cool.
Speaker:It looks like we are in there like swimwear.
Speaker:So let's dive in with the old podcast here.
Speaker:What's happening today, Kate?
Speaker:Today we're talking about two similar, related topics.
Speaker:The first is, Why you should be adding in video and live video, we
Speaker:hope we're gonna sell you on live video, into your podcasting workflow.
Speaker:And because we are right here in the week of Leap into Podcasting, our virtual
Speaker:event, which is taking place on Thursday and Friday, we have a special bonus
Speaker:episode here of The Flow that we're doing and we are bringing on a guest
Speaker:to talk all about camera confidence.
Speaker:Cuz I feel like that's the big sticking point when you're trying
Speaker:to deal with adding in video.
Speaker:Especially if you've been doing the podcasting thing for a bit and
Speaker:you've been just rocking the audio.
Speaker:Last week we were talking with Laura from Shure.
Speaker:Shout out to Laura.
Speaker:Hi Laura and Laura does just an audio podcast.
Speaker:And so we're here to convince Laura and all of the Laura's out there that you
Speaker:need to add on video to your podcast.
Speaker:But I know that some of the pain points that are there
Speaker:surround gear and technology.
Speaker:And then the other big pain point is I don't feel all that
Speaker:confident looking into a camera.
Speaker:I don't know how I'm going to look.
Speaker:I don't like how I look, All of that kind of stuff.
Speaker:So that's what we're gonna be chatting with today with Rosie.
Speaker:And so here's the thing to remember too, gang, the best thing to do
Speaker:is just realize you were born looking like this, and go for it.
Speaker:There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker:There's no way to go back and do anything unless you have really good plastic
Speaker:surgery, which I wouldn't suggest.
Speaker:It's kind of expensive.
Speaker:You can spend that money on gear.
Speaker:So I just accepted the fact I look funny and call it a day.
Speaker:Keep going.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:All right, let's go.
Speaker:Well without further ado, let us bring on Rosie.
Speaker:Hey Rosie.
Speaker:Thanks so much for hanging out with us.
Speaker:Hello.
Speaker:Thanks for having me.
Speaker:Oh, of course.
Speaker:I selfishly, this is super fun because you sent me, I'm not, I'm
Speaker:looking at the wrong camera already.
Speaker:You sent me an email a while back after our last Leap Into Live
Speaker:event and you were like, Hey, I really would love to be involved.
Speaker:And so it's been neat this year because now that we have the podcast, We can do
Speaker:these like pre events that we can then take this video and roll it up into
Speaker:the replay session so that all of our attendees on Thursday and Friday will get
Speaker:to just hear all of the wisdom and all of the extra and it's in a podcast format.
Speaker:So what better way to teach about podcasting?
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:A hundred percent correct.
Speaker:I just enjoy the fact that we've had guests the last couple weeks.
Speaker:It adds a, I don't know, it just adds a different level.
Speaker:I feel like it makes you level up when you can bring in the guests and then have, you
Speaker:know, epic conversations with the guests.
Speaker:So there's that.
Speaker:Yeah, Huge thanks to all of our guests who have been patient with us, cuz
Speaker:we've been like on the road or on location, or not our usual spots the
Speaker:last, these last few interviews we've done, so a lot of patience with Rosie.
Speaker:We were like, we were running a little bit late and then we had
Speaker:to deal with some audio issues.
Speaker:So thank you for being patient with us.
Speaker:But that's what you get from being cute with the three camera setup today.
Speaker:But look good.
Speaker:It looks amazing.
Speaker:I did just notice one thing, but I won't talk about it right now.
Speaker:Oh, Rosie, I am thrilled you're here and Doc hates this question, but for
Speaker:those listening at home or watching live in our studio audience, do you wanna
Speaker:just let us know a little bit about who you are and how you got into this
Speaker:whole video camera confidence world?
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:So my name is Rosie Faulkner and I'm a video coach and how I came into this
Speaker:world, I wanted more exposure, so I decided to add video to the long list
Speaker:of the other things that I was doing.
Speaker:And like most people, I had no social media presence.
Speaker:So getting established and trying to be on camera was a huge,
Speaker:huge, huge, huge thing for me.
Speaker:But I persevered.
Speaker:I went to my local public access station and I started taking classes
Speaker:and I started a TV show, and after that I was like, lights, camera, action.
Speaker:And I just pushed myself.
Speaker:I also remember my first time and I was scared as hell.
Speaker:If I could just be honest, I was super, super scared and I just remembered,
Speaker:you know, just coming out and just seeing the full crew of people and
Speaker:I was just overwhelmed and I had to excuse myself and go to the bathroom,
Speaker:take some deep breaths, and then I came back and did it, and each time
Speaker:it got better and better and better.
Speaker:And then I gained confidence, so I decided to help other women out there
Speaker:because it's so many of us that if it's your company, if it's just you
Speaker:have a strong passion for a topic, you need to add video to your portfolio.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:I love that.
Speaker:I love that your focus has been on women.
Speaker:Not to gender profile, but as women, I think we are a little bit more hard on
Speaker:ourselves than our male counterparts.
Speaker:You guys are harder on each other.
Speaker:And so therefore are harder on yourselves.
Speaker:Guys do not care.
Speaker:Guys don't normally look at another guy and go, Hey, you look cute
Speaker:today, or Hey, you look ugly today.
Speaker:We just, we don't care.
Speaker:We just do not care.
Speaker:We will tell,
Speaker:Guys have insecurities.
Speaker:Oh no, they do, but I'm saying we don't point them out to each other.
Speaker:We're less brutal in that sense.
Speaker:We'll tell you that you got spinach in your teeth or you know, you
Speaker:looking a little fluffy or something.
Speaker:But we don't normally get into the you know, I guess like nitpicking
Speaker:thing, and again, everybody does their own thing slightly differently.
Speaker:I just know from my friends and I, we just accept the fact
Speaker:that we're all ugly all day
Speaker:And the one person that's pretty boy is, will be known as pretty
Speaker:boy, and that's the way it works.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:In our case it's Tyler.
Speaker:I love what you said there, Rosie.
Speaker:Cause I think that it, it comes down to committing that you're
Speaker:gonna do it and then also reminding yourself that you are there to do it
Speaker:because you have a purpose, right?
Speaker:So you're adding value, you're engaging or connecting with your customers.
Speaker:Maybe it's really important for your business.
Speaker:You need to be able to get out there and grow your business and
Speaker:build your business that way.
Speaker:I think that's equally relatable in the podcasting space where many people,
Speaker:whether they, you know, started off like right, kind of at the beginning
Speaker:of the pandemic, or maybe they've been podcasting in the audio space for a while.
Speaker:They've worked so hard to build this following, but really to be able to take
Speaker:it to that next level and foster and engage their community and their fan base.
Speaker:They're gonna need to step out of that.
Speaker:Well, one other thing that I think is important too is, this is something I
Speaker:try to coach my people into, is that it's not about you, it's about the audience.
Speaker:So your ego trips about yourself is maybe stopping you from providing the impact
Speaker:in the world that you want to provide over vanity, which is not even nice.
Speaker:So it's better to like go on your mission and help people out.
Speaker:Even if you had like, you know, something sticking on the side of
Speaker:your head, whatever, like Hellboy, if you had a Hellboy thing, you're
Speaker:still good because your mission is probably bigger than your scar.
Speaker:Yeah, but oftentimes people can't get over that.
Speaker:So for my clients, I tell them to make a list, you know, what
Speaker:can you change about yourself?
Speaker:Because honestly, sometimes they want to, you know, lose weight before they jump in
Speaker:front of it, and that's holding them back.
Speaker:So make a list and the things that you can change, change them, you know, the things
Speaker:that you can't, you have to accept them.
Speaker:You know, this is how you were born.
Speaker:Like you said before, earlier, if you want plastic surgery.
Speaker:I never think that.
Speaker:That's the extreme.
Speaker:That's always the extreme.
Speaker:But you know, some people are, you know, want to do that to
Speaker:make them look a certain way.
Speaker:But I always say, make a list.
Speaker:And then change the things that you can.
Speaker:And for some people it's really deep.
Speaker:They may need to seek therapy because I can't really help them, You know, I can
Speaker:help them build their confidence, but if it's deep rooted, then they may need to
Speaker:go to a professional to figure out what's going on and then come back and see me.
Speaker:But, I say accept it, too.
Speaker:My voice, people said something about that.
Speaker:I don't care.
Speaker:What am I gonna do about my voice?
Speaker:I mean, this is what it is.
Speaker:I'm here.
Speaker:Is actually one of the harder things to change actually, is your voice.
Speaker:Even with voice training and things like that.
Speaker:I never went to the broadcasting style classes or whatever because I always
Speaker:thought the guys in my radio station that did that, I felt bad for them.
Speaker:So for instance, you come in on your normal day, six days a
Speaker:week, you're in a great mood.
Speaker:Your Columbia School of Broadcasting voice is on point, right?
Speaker:Hi everybody, welcome to the Flow.
Speaker:I am Doc Rock, your community manager.
Speaker:And then tomorrow you get in a fight with your significance other
Speaker:and then you just not feeling it.
Speaker:And then you come in.
Speaker:'Sup y'all.
Speaker:Um, this Doc, W E K C A M, uh, we gonna be hitting slow jams today.
Speaker:Uh, call in for your requests.
Speaker:It just sounds horrible.
Speaker:So I never did the fake radio voice because you can't maintain that every day.
Speaker:Your normal voice as is, is fine.
Speaker:And even after I had my throat surgery, it slightly changed my voice in my head.
Speaker:None of my people noticed it, but to me, I was freaking out.
Speaker:I was super mad at the doctor cuz she told me my voice wasn't gonna change.
Speaker:I could hear it.
Speaker:Most people don't even know the difference.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:The cool thing about camera confidence is that in this new space, especially
Speaker:in the live streaming space, And you know, if you're starting again, if you're
Speaker:starting a podcast with live streaming, that what we're doing here with The Flow,
Speaker:it really is more about being authentic and yourself and engaging with people
Speaker:than it is about most other things.
Speaker:People are really showing up to be able to hear what you have to say, not what
Speaker:you know, some celebrity has to say.
Speaker:They're not tuning in anymore to a lot of the new shows or radio shows or
Speaker:bigger productions that they used to.
Speaker:People are spending more time on YouTube, on all of these platforms to
Speaker:be able to connect with real people like them that they can relate to,
Speaker:that takes a lot of pressure off.
Speaker:So that hopefully makes that list a little bit shorter for everyone
Speaker:out there who has a gigantic list of reasons why they're apprehensive
Speaker:or they're not quite there yet.
Speaker:And I agree, once they start doing it, they see that people are not commenting.
Speaker:I mean, let's, let's, cyber bullying is real.
Speaker:Cyber bullying is real.
Speaker:And I think that.
Speaker:Most people read comments and they feel like somebody's gonna come on
Speaker:their platform or their page, and they're going to receive all of that.
Speaker:But yes, you may, but most times you're not going to get that.
Speaker:Like you said, people are coming for your expertise.
Speaker:They could care less, and most of the time it's you in your head about.
Speaker:Oh my God, my hair doesn't look right.
Speaker:Or oh my god, you know, my background.
Speaker:No one cares about that.
Speaker:Can you provide value, is the thing.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yeah, I a hundred percent degree.
Speaker:I see.
Speaker:If you was coming on and telling somebody how they can increase that
Speaker:bank account in the next three days, they don't care what you look like.
Speaker:You could be coming in sideways, crooked, hot breath, like whatever.
Speaker:Nobody cares cuz it's about you.
Speaker:And my hair always looks the same.
Speaker:Yeah, it's amusing especially, so there's a few fun podcasts
Speaker:that I listen to just for kicks.
Speaker:And most of them are true crime, cuz that's just the
Speaker:space that I'm in these days.
Speaker:But I do laugh sometimes that in a space like that where most people are listening
Speaker:to that genre of podcast for like for a release or for entertainment or for
Speaker:just a chill and relax, the amount of times where I hear my favorite host say
Speaker:things like, Oh, we couldn't add video on because you know, we're just here up in
Speaker:the pod lab and we're wearing our pajamas.
Speaker:We're just hanging out and I was like, I feel like people would
Speaker:really relate, Oh my goodness.
Speaker:Relate to sitting on the sofa with you and hanging out and feeling like
Speaker:they're behind the scenes, even if they didn't do it every single time.
Speaker:Even if they did these kind of, you know, popup special events or incorporated
Speaker:more video in the things that you can hear it as they're justifying
Speaker:it, the things they're saying.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But it's those things that probably make it more special and more relatable.
Speaker:When I was doing my DJ parties, one of the best parties of the year, we would
Speaker:do something called the pajama Jam, where everybody had to come in their PJs.
Speaker:And those were always the best parties.
Speaker:Like everybody absolutely loved it because it gave you a little bit normal you.
Speaker:You're not coming like overly flossed out with a nice fit.
Speaker:It also gave me a chance to wear my Tasmanian devil onesie.
Speaker:Not the TAs with the big, with the big feet.
Speaker:You know what a Tasmanian feet they to have at the Warner Store?
Speaker:Yo, I used to rock them joints in the DJ booth.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:So next live taping of The Flow, Doc and I are gonna show up.
Speaker:We'll bring Rosie back.
Speaker:I'll wear our like pajamas.
Speaker:Pajamas.
Speaker:We'll wear pajama party.
Speaker:No, but I was, Yeah, but with that it sets you apart.
Speaker:Just like if they would have came on with their pajamas, you know, You
Speaker:don't want to be like everybody else.
Speaker:So like you said, if they did it occasionally, that
Speaker:would set their podcast apart from the sea of other people.
Speaker:And people don't think like that, you know?
Speaker:And it's fine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I, I think too, for in particular, and Doc, we'll probably do a whole episode on
Speaker:this specific topic, but with players like YouTube moving into the podcasting space,
Speaker:it's gonna become necessary really soon.
Speaker:So, you know, for everyone that's kind of been sitting on the edges
Speaker:or you know, or they have a live show, but they haven't gotten.
Speaker:You know, into the podcasting space and pulled the other side.
Speaker:They haven't pulled the audio out and done it that way.
Speaker:It's coming.
Speaker:It's coming for you.
Speaker:I'm all in my head.
Speaker:I'm going living on the edge, is just, you know, my musical tourettes
Speaker:just kicking in and then you have B roll to use, you know, for reals.
Speaker:Different things like that.
Speaker:You can, you know, not just have your audio clips, but
Speaker:you could have more content.
Speaker:So look at it that way.
Speaker:It's bringing more content your way so you can distribute it however you like.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:So I have a question for you, Rosie.
Speaker:What particular exercises would you recommend to someone that is, you know,
Speaker:sort of working on that confidence jim?
Speaker:For in podcasting particular, just turn it on.
Speaker:Just turn the camera on.
Speaker:You may not use it, you don't have to use it, but just, you
Speaker:know, angle a position, a camera.
Speaker:And just have it on, you know, and then just watch it and
Speaker:see, okay, what did I like?
Speaker:Maybe I should position it this way.
Speaker:Kind of critique it and keep moving the camera around till you find,
Speaker:you know, a location that works.
Speaker:And eventually you may wanna say, Okay, I like this.
Speaker:You know, I can use, like I said, this audio clip, but then they actually could
Speaker:see my facial expression because I was saying something that meant something and
Speaker:so people could connect with you better.
Speaker:So I would just say start off slow with positioning.
Speaker:Turn on a camera at first and don't use it.
Speaker:Get comfortable and then, you know, work your way to, putting it out there.
Speaker:I like that concept.
Speaker:And you know what's funny is if you think about it back in the day, a
Speaker:couple of movies that come to mind is if you remember Warriors, there's other
Speaker:movies that have that, where all you had was the microphone and the lips.
Speaker:and you really see nothing else.
Speaker:You see like a little bit of nose, chin, lips, and they're like, Oh,
Speaker:warriors, can you come out and play?
Speaker:Ah it's spooky season.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So like you could even do a tight, as it's called in the game where
Speaker:you didn't even see your whole face.
Speaker:It could literally be just, you know, bottom half of your face down, especially
Speaker:if you're having a conversation about something that's a little bit
Speaker:mindful, a little bit insightful.
Speaker:Almost a little bit of ASMR type, you know what I mean?
Speaker:So you, like you said, play with the angles and see what you come up with.
Speaker:And I think you're right.
Speaker:That's a great second angle to cut away when you want to talk about something.
Speaker:But you don't want your, your facial expressions to show maybe
Speaker:your true feelings of it, cuz you wanna leave the audience left over.
Speaker:Just pull in tight to the face where they can't really see your eyes.
Speaker:Cuz the eyes is, was telling the truth.
Speaker:Or time lapse, right?
Speaker:Because you could just position it and, Hey, wanna see what I do
Speaker:when I'm recording the podcast?
Speaker:It doesn't have to be like you say in your face, but you can record it.
Speaker:Use that time lapse is going so fast and you know they're
Speaker:seeing you, but they're not.
Speaker:That will be another way.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:I think being able to play and experiment with different
Speaker:kinds of video is really huge.
Speaker:For the, for our event later this week, we've been playing
Speaker:with an app called Volley.
Speaker:I will admit, don't come at me, Volley people
Speaker:If it's one of those apps that I download on my phone, like, you know,
Speaker:I'm always the like, Sure, I'm all in.
Speaker:Let's check this app out.
Speaker:Let's see how it works.
Speaker:It is an asynchronous video app, so it allows you to, you've probably
Speaker:seen, if not Volley, something similar where you can basically send video
Speaker:or audio or text notifications back and forth to everyone that's in
Speaker:your space, into your Volley space.
Speaker:So we set one up for Leap into Podcasting.
Speaker:And even just getting into the practice of creating those short form
Speaker:videos is super helpful in getting yourself more comfortable with
Speaker:thinking about, Oh, I'm capturing this as a video instead of a photo.
Speaker:Oh, I'm capturing this as a video instead of sounding sending an audio
Speaker:note across, or instead of texting or typing, doing it in that different way.
Speaker:Doc, you were saying last week that when we were at all these different
Speaker:events, again, the one thing that totally resonated with me, you're
Speaker:like, just turn off your camera.
Speaker:Cause I'm always like taking 9 million photos.
Speaker:You were like, literally have your phone open in video so that you're forcing
Speaker:yourself into getting into that habit.
Speaker:Yes, Yes.
Speaker:That is key.
Speaker:So for instance, nowadays everybody went to the mat complaining about
Speaker:the fact that Instagram is going video forward, like they really
Speaker:don't care about your pictures.
Speaker:No.
Speaker:Which is cool.
Speaker:So if you know that and you're doing social because you're trying to grow your
Speaker:channel, be discovered more, whatever, go into your phone app and set it to either
Speaker:remember the last mode you were in or set it to go straight the video instead
Speaker:of photo, and know that if you press video first, you can hit the little white
Speaker:button in the corner and take pictures.
Speaker:Okay, so you can kill two birds with one rock, if you will.
Speaker:And don't kill the birds, by the way, somebody's about to at me for that normal
Speaker:statement, but hey, you know what it is.
Speaker:So yeah, just set it up so that you're always recording that
Speaker:video and throw these reels up.
Speaker:And man reels are so much fun and it allows you to gain confidence quick.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I see people come in and my man Rich is here.
Speaker:Hey, Rich.
Speaker:Rich did something really cool, and I mentioned this before.
Speaker:We were doing Vlogmas, and there was just a day where Rich didn't have anything.
Speaker:He literally turned on the camera to stay consistent and said,
Speaker:Hey y'all, how y'all doing?
Speaker:Hope you're having a great day.
Speaker:I got nothing.
Speaker:Merry Christmas, and it kept going, but that in itself became the gym
Speaker:like it is Cannon in our circle.
Speaker:So sometimes you could just pop on and go, I'm having one of those days,
Speaker:Are you having one of those days?
Speaker:Send me a comment and let me know.
Speaker:And then your people would be like, Girl, let me explain it to you.
Speaker:Family.
Speaker:Yes, these kids, let me call it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:So people would join in cuz you not the only one having one of those days.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So, Rosie, I'm interested to, so you're start with the list, which is great
Speaker:advice, and then get into kind of just the act of turning on the camera and
Speaker:forcing yourself to create video.
Speaker:What kind of advice do you have for people who have taken
Speaker:those first couple of steps?
Speaker:They've got there, they've got on video, but they're struggling and
Speaker:they're still feeling like a little anxious or maybe their audience isn't
Speaker:growing as quickly as what they want.
Speaker:What are some of the next level tips to help them stay in front
Speaker:of the camera and stay consistent when things may not necessarily be
Speaker:going as smoothly as they thought?
Speaker:It could be other things, it could be your messaging, it could be a ton of things,
Speaker:but in regards to video, just keep at it.
Speaker:A lot of people, They don't like the way they look, you know, But the more
Speaker:that they start shooting, they feel comfortable because again, it's this
Speaker:is what you're born with, this is what it is, and you get comfortable.
Speaker:You are like, okay.
Speaker:I'm used to the hearing, my voice.
Speaker:I'm used to seeing my face like this.
Speaker:Maybe I should, wear makeup or maybe makeup is just too much for me,
Speaker:you know, But just keep doing it.
Speaker:And watching your replay is huge because you learn so, so much
Speaker:about good things and bad things.
Speaker:I know a lot of people always go to the bad.
Speaker:But also point out the things that are going well.
Speaker:Just like you may go on a rant, just like Doc said, maybe your audience like that.
Speaker:So maybe you should incorporate more of those type of videos into your schedule.
Speaker:So just replay, keep trying different things, but keep at it.
Speaker:Yes, a hundred percent.
Speaker:Now here's a good tip as well, if you know that you want to get
Speaker:this out, but you're still trying to get over this camera thing.
Speaker:You can do the over the shoulder shot as well.
Speaker:So in that case, imagine if you will, I had this camera here and you're
Speaker:really looking at the back of my melon, the microphone and the mixer.
Speaker:And that could be your whole shot in the beginning as you slowly
Speaker:gain confidence, whatever too.
Speaker:So you can try angles like that.
Speaker:You see that a lot when you, they're showing the radio station person
Speaker:or, because unfortunately Katie and I watch a lot of murder mysteries.
Speaker:Um, the dispatcher, you won't always see the dispatcher's face.
Speaker:You normally see the back of her head.
Speaker:And then the 9 1 1 screen, like 9 1 1 caller.
Speaker:How can I help you?
Speaker:Oh my God, my wife just fell down the steps.
Speaker:Nah, Steven, you pushed her.
Speaker:Spoiler alert.
Speaker:Rosie's never gonna hang out with us again.
Speaker:Just like these people are all about the murder.
Speaker:It was an HBO show with Colin Firth and it was just funny cuz he never
Speaker:plays anything but the romantic guy.
Speaker:So it was a trip to see him in that particular role.
Speaker:It's called The Staircase.
Speaker:It's pretty dope.
Speaker:It's true, It's true.
Speaker:But yeah, no, I think that again, going back to the camera angles, it's great.
Speaker:I mean there's tons of you that are watching in the studio audience
Speaker:right now and maybe listening at home and you're like, Okay.
Speaker:Like I'm, you know, I, teach piano lessons.
Speaker:I'm a woodworker.
Speaker:I, you know, I do things that you don't need to see my face.
Speaker:Or maybe that's not what people are wanting to connect with.
Speaker:It's okay to show, to just do an overhead shot.
Speaker:It's called hands in the pan.
Speaker:I learned that from Kathy Hester book author and cookbook author.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:She calls those videos hands in the pan and they work really well for
Speaker:crafting woodworking, piano, playing instrumentation, all of the above.
Speaker:So yes, you can just show your hands until you gain the confidence
Speaker:to put your face on camera.
Speaker:And if you like me and have a face for radio, deal with it.
Speaker:Yeah, there is an amazing YouTuber out there called This Old Tony,
Speaker:like, absolutely awesome woodworker.
Speaker:He's funny, his videos are like, see just a huge amount of views on
Speaker:YouTube and he never shows his face.
Speaker:In fact, so much so that there, I think he's made maybe one, maybe one
Speaker:or maybe two videos where he's actually on camera and it's like almost jarring
Speaker:for his like dedicated fan base.
Speaker:They're like, Whoa, we can't, we're not, They're so used to, you know,
Speaker:it's like listening to your favorite radio person or podcast person who
Speaker:hasn't stepped into video yet, you're kind, you have an assumption of what
Speaker:they look like until you see them.
Speaker:So, I mean, you may not never need to show your face on camera and still have
Speaker:a really effective channel and still be taking advantage of that video.
Speaker:If you go back to the olden days, right, when I first saw what Casey Kasem
Speaker:looked like in real life, I was like, that little guy has all of that voice?
Speaker:Hi, this is Casey Kasem, on American Top 40 and I was like, No way that all of
Speaker:that noise came out of that little man.
Speaker:But you were curious.
Speaker:You were curious.
Speaker:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker:So every now and then, I think you should switch it up.
Speaker:It kind of reminds me of the Oz or the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker:For us it was the Wiz, the even better version cuz yeah, you just didn't know
Speaker:like things or the mechanical Turk.
Speaker:You know, when you go through these old movies and it plays and stuff, you realize
Speaker:that oftentimes is not what you expect.
Speaker:So I think it's good to do the surprise reveal, even like,
Speaker:give yourself a deadline.
Speaker:I think the problem with things that people give themselves to change, They
Speaker:don't often give themselves a deadline.
Speaker:We talked about this before.
Speaker:Christmas Clatter, Todd, who's in the chat today.
Speaker:We gave ourselves a deadline to get back on our podcasting horse and, you know, it
Speaker:was, it was nice cuz I had a buddy to take the challenge with, so I wasn't by myself.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Joining a community or finding a friend or, you know, being not
Speaker:alone can go a really long time, a really long way to helping you get
Speaker:back into it or into it initially.
Speaker:I like seeing in the chat, seeing my vintage people that also grew
Speaker:up people of a certain vintage.
Speaker:I to say, listening to Casey Kasem and Rosie, you're not old enough for that.
Speaker:I know the name.
Speaker:I don't know what that says about me because I definitely remember Casey Kasem.
Speaker:I'm actually 86 years old, everyone.
Speaker:I just look amazing for my age.
Speaker:You're almost the same age as Paul.
Speaker:Paul and I are at it.
Speaker:Well, we are nearing the end of our time, Rosie, so I just wanted to see if
Speaker:there is any advice that you would give.
Speaker:It doesn't necessarily to be specific to podcasting, but you know, as people
Speaker:who are just getting started on building their confidence with getting in front
Speaker:of the camera, or maybe they've just taken those first steps, what advice do
Speaker:you have for folks that, I know we've covered a lot of the, like, just do it.
Speaker:You've got this, but,
Speaker:but that's, that's, I echo that message.
Speaker:Just keep going because that is the fastest way to bond with your community.
Speaker:They wanna see what you look like, even if you do it occasionally,
Speaker:but, work those angles, but ultimately try to show your face.
Speaker:Get used to hearing your voice, get used to seeing your face
Speaker:on camera and you will be fine.
Speaker:If I could do it, you can do it.
Speaker:Just keep going.
Speaker:Watch a replay and get better and better.
Speaker:You'll be fine.
Speaker:I guess I'm gonna have to watch my replays.
Speaker:That's one thing I really, I don't do, or I, I do, but very like on double speed.
Speaker:Why
Speaker:? You see, I'm that person.
Speaker:Partially because I never have enough time.
Speaker:We create an insane amount of video and so I'm always like, just moving.
Speaker:For me, it's less of a camera confidence thing and more of a, I just need
Speaker:to get through this quickly, but,
Speaker:Which is funny.
Speaker:Um, yeah, I should, I should do.
Speaker:Because I think it, it'll give you more feedback on how you can improve.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So I listened to our interview with Aubrey yesterday.
Speaker:Just to hear again, like how we're doing, how we're coming.
Speaker:I always listen to my own cast.
Speaker:Sometimes I do listen on faster when I'm just looking for a
Speaker:particular part, but it does help.
Speaker:I was just reminded by someone in our live taping, which is why you should come to
Speaker:the live tapings every Tuesday at 12 noon.
Speaker:Casey Kasem was Shaggy.
Speaker:I just, I loved me Shaggy when I was a kid, right?
Speaker:So if you watch Scooby Doo, Not, Shaggy wasn't me.
Speaker:Uh, that's a different shaggy.
Speaker:Uh, that was Casey Kasem.
Speaker:I didn't know that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Isn't that crazy?
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:I feel like a lot of the radio personalities and voice actors.
Speaker:There's a ton of overlap in that space.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And lots of things that you wouldn't necessarily think of
Speaker:because it is in that audio space.
Speaker:You know what I just heard today, which I find absolutely epic, James Earl
Speaker:Jones is retiring from being lord Vader.
Speaker:One, one time for the Star Wars people.
Speaker:A moment of silence.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:But here's what's so dope, because he has so much recordings of him as Darth Vader,
Speaker:They don't even need him.
Speaker:Is that what you're gonna say?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So they're going basically use Descript technology and he has signed over
Speaker:the license for his voice in the Vader character and they have enough
Speaker:audio, analog and digital, from the many, many years of him being Darth
Speaker:Vader, that they're gonna be able to basically generate that voice, not
Speaker:dissimilar from what we do in Descript.
Speaker:When you read the script.
Speaker:But of course Disney is putting their own AI team on it, and they
Speaker:have a heck of a lot more money.
Speaker:Sorry, Harmony
Speaker:Sorry, Descript.
Speaker:Kevin, my people.
Speaker:They're gonna throw all the money at it in order to keep the Vader voice as Vader as
Speaker:possible, and it's gonna be AI generated.
Speaker:And I just think it's incredible.
Speaker:But that's a cool thing for people when you have an actor like James Earl Jones.
Speaker:No one was going to be able to replace that.
Speaker:I'm sorry, He's irreplaceable.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Beyonce
Speaker:He's gonna continue to get those checks.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But I mean, I mean, he's also getting up there.
Speaker:He's about the same age as Katie and Paul.
Speaker:So that's true.
Speaker:At some point we no longer have Sir James Earl.
Speaker:We still, people still get to enjoy that and I think it's incredible.
Speaker:The idea...
Speaker:this is super corny, but as soon as I heard.
Speaker:I was like the idea of me taking my lessons and stuff that I am teaching
Speaker:my people now and save them in the format that my niece can listen to
Speaker:when she goes into the business world.
Speaker:Me being a business coach, me being a content creation coach, and for
Speaker:her to hear it from me as me, even if somebody has to update it in a document.
Speaker:It will stick to her brain differently because she's been hearing my
Speaker:voice since the day she was born.
Speaker:Yeah, it would be incredible.
Speaker:It's a little, it's a little spooky
Speaker:It's incredible nonetheless.
Speaker:It's incredible nonetheless.
Speaker:I do wanna point out one last thing before we jump into q and a here is, Dr.
Speaker:Elo in the chat.
Speaker:I know we're calling out the chat more than we should be
Speaker:for our at-home listeners.
Speaker:We're just trying to make, give you some incredible fomo,
Speaker:so you have to come to the live taping,
Speaker:but Dr.
Speaker:Elo is saying that it's so funny because we're all used to and don't
Speaker:seem to have much problem other than maybe eye rolling about it.
Speaker:But we don't have much problem with sitting on a Zoom meeting or a
Speaker:Microsoft teams meeting or conveying and communicating on video in that way.
Speaker:But the second one, Like when it really matters, you know, when we're podcasting,
Speaker:when we're creating live video, it's that moment that we feel this rush of panic and
Speaker:it's that kind of presentation standing in front of the classroom as a high school
Speaker:student, fear of someone saying something or, you know, or thinking that we're
Speaker:less than how we want to be portrayed.
Speaker:So it's, it's overcoming that, as Doc would say, it's not real anyway.
Speaker:It's all in your head.
Speaker:It's all in your head.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Just, that's why I agree with Rosie.
Speaker:Roll tape all the time.
Speaker:And then look at it.
Speaker:You'll find that you start becoming better in your zooms and your team
Speaker:meetings and all of that as well.
Speaker:Because you're leveling up a skill or upgrading a skill as Mr.
Speaker:Camera Junkie shirt says over there.
Speaker:Oh and studying.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Alright.
Speaker:Ta Yeah.
Speaker:Obviously we're time for questions, but studying, studying public
Speaker:voices like James Earl Jones, like listening to how people speak,
Speaker:how people present TEDx talks.
Speaker:All of that is, that's great training for seeing how, you know, getting
Speaker:more comfortable and seeing how you can sound and look on camera.
Speaker:I used to go to the library and check out the audio tapes.
Speaker:Now you can just do them digitally.
Speaker:But of good speeches, good orators and such, because that was something
Speaker:that I knew I wanted to be good at.
Speaker:So I would listen to Martin Luther, I would listen to the Kennedy Brothers.
Speaker:I would listen to these great orators and to sort of find their
Speaker:pauses and their stops and the way that they emphasize certain words.
Speaker:And Steven Fry to me is one of the best.
Speaker:Morgan Freeman, also on my top five dead or alive.
Speaker:James Earl Jones is also in that Top five dead or alive.
Speaker:So yeah, this is one of those things where you listen to these
Speaker:people speak and you, you sort of start to pattern that and learn it.
Speaker:And from the female camp, it's Katie Currick, Michelle Obama.
Speaker:Bob Kostas is not a female, but I forgot Bob Fi.
Speaker:He's in my top five, dead or alive.
Speaker:I got one more, which I'll tell you later, but yeah, I would go through and
Speaker:even listen to the good female speakers and you know, try to pick from there.
Speaker:Ann Margaret was an incredible speaker as well, so I like to listen to old speeches.
Speaker:Sort of hear what they say,
Speaker:but don't try to be them.
Speaker:Get the tips.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:But yeah, still don't lose yourself because that's the most important
Speaker:. Be yourself.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's,
Speaker:See you say lose yourself.
Speaker:And I'm thinking my spaghetti, like, you know, my musical
Speaker:Tourette is burning right now.
Speaker:you gotta lose with Eminem, right?
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:We're we're punchy today.
Speaker:just, I was like, Do not start singing Eminem, doc.
Speaker:Don't do it.
Speaker:Don't, Don't.
Speaker:You actually, were not alone in that one.
Speaker:I was just like, I gotta just, I gotta go.
Speaker:Oh, Vincent Price.
Speaker:Miss Eileen.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Vincent Price is another glorious voice.
Speaker:I love his voice.
Speaker:When I was a kid, one of my favorites.
Speaker:So yes, very.
Speaker:Oh my goodness.
Speaker:Well, Rosie, we super appreciate you taking the time to come on.
Speaker:We're so, I'm so excited.
Speaker:Half the fun of this podcast for.
Speaker:Is getting to dive into the replay video and into the script as I'm working my
Speaker:way through the transcript, pulling out all those like sound bites and
Speaker:those nuggets, and being able to get them back out in front of everyone.
Speaker:So tons of ones in this episode that I can't wait to pull out.
Speaker:Yeah, it's gonna be great
Speaker:soundbites in front of everyone and get in front of the Leap
Speaker:Into Podcasting audience.
Speaker:If you're listening, you've already missed it.
Speaker:You've already missed Leap into Podcasting cuz it's next week when the
Speaker:audio will come up for this episode.
Speaker:But you can still get replay tickets.
Speaker:So even though you've missed it, you haven't totally missed it.
Speaker:you can have this episode as well as all of the amazing speakers, if you
Speaker:swing over to Leap into podcasting.com and you can always catch The Flow.
Speaker:Yes, you can catch The Flow.
Speaker:You can always catch The Flow.
Speaker:Always catch the flow.
Speaker:Hey, I'll check this out.
Speaker:Before we go, Rosie, could you please tell people where they can
Speaker:find more about Rosie or follow all the coolness that you cool in?
Speaker:Absolutely you can join me on social media.
Speaker:Faulkner underscore Rosie is basically everything on Facebook and also Instagram.
Speaker:Visit my website if you are in need of coaching, rosie faulkner.com
Speaker:and check out my YouTube channel.
Speaker:I have tons of free content.
Speaker:That's again Rosie Faulkner on YouTube, so come see me and I
Speaker:will get you confident on camera.
Speaker:That is cool.
Speaker:Now, family, I do wanna remind you of one thing.
Speaker:When you are doing things like recording your podcast, especially having on an
Speaker:epic guest like Rosie, one of the things you need to make absolutely sure is that
Speaker:your internet just doesn't decide to internet whenever you need it to work.
Speaker:sometimes it will just tank in the middle of your recording, and that's what we
Speaker:here like to call a stream emergency.
Speaker:Let me tell you how to protect yourself from a stream emergency.
Speaker:There is a wicked cool application and now that I'm in Massachusetts,
Speaker:I can say wicked cool.
Speaker:And it is called Speedify.
Speaker:For a really, really low price you can take Speedify, install it in your
Speaker:phone, your computer, your devices, whatever, and if you should have a
Speaker:dip in internet, it kind of saves you.
Speaker:Last year during the conference, our internet in the office ate
Speaker:it and we didn't even know.
Speaker:The only way I knew is because Speedify kicked in and took over
Speaker:and ran the whole conference.
Speaker:Later that day, I went to go watch a Raiders game on my
Speaker:phone and then was like, Nope.
Speaker:You used up all of your internet and I.
Speaker:How did I use up all my internet?
Speaker:It turns out the entire second day of the conference ran from my iPhone
Speaker:because Speedify was selected as the backup connection for my Mac was to
Speaker:use my iPhone connections as a backup internet connection just in case something
Speaker:happened in the middle of the conference.
Speaker:Speedify came to the rescue, saved an entire conference, and nobody
Speaker:freaking knew except me and AT&T.
Speaker:So do yourself a favor if you stream a lot, travel a lot because it also
Speaker:acts as a vpn, like to watch Korea movies that you can't see here.
Speaker:I will tell you about that differently.
Speaker:Make sure you check out Speedify.
Speaker:It's super, super easy to use.
Speaker:It's a lot of fun.
Speaker:They are absolutely fantastic and we thank them for being sponsors
Speaker:of today's show here at the Flow.
Speaker:We sure do.
Speaker:And if you are coming to Leap Into Live, then you will be able to
Speaker:get a special discount for them.
Speaker:So hope to see everyone there or in the replay if you're listening and
Speaker:you're like, Shoot, I missed it.
Speaker:You didn't miss it, you can catch us on the replay and still take
Speaker:advantage of that great promo code.
Speaker:That is awesome.
Speaker:Okay, so what we're gonna do is close this out.
Speaker:Say goodbye to you guys, q and a people hang out.
Speaker:We will answer your questions, and if you're like, Hey man, I wanna ask those
Speaker:questions, but I'm not at the live taping.
Speaker:Number one, bring yourself to the live taping.
Speaker:Number two, catch us on our Volley channel, which we
Speaker:will have in the show notes.
Speaker:You can ask your questions on Volley or you can send us an
Speaker:email at flow Ecamm dot com.
Speaker:That's flow - f l o w at Ecamm e c a m m dot (not dot, just a dot) com.
Speaker:Make sure you come and check that out.
Speaker:And of course, you can always reach out to us anytime at flow Ecamm dot com or make
Speaker:sure you subscribe to the cast and leave us a review on the iTunes if you so do.
Speaker:Two
Follow: