The Flow: Episode 31 - Verbal Fluency for Podcasters
31 : The Flow: Episode 31 - Verbal Fluency for Podcasters
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It should come as no surprise to anyone that the most important part of podcasting is your ability to speak. That being said, we can all learn how to speak better and present with confidence. In this episode of The Flow, Doc and Katie are chatting about verbal fluency. Why is it important? And how can you get better at it?
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Speaker:Welcome to the show- gram.
Speaker:I am Doc Rock, community manager for Ecamm Live, along with my awesome co-host.
Speaker:Hey everyone, I'm Katie Fawkes.
Speaker:When I say awesome co-host, you can't go: hey everyone, I'm Katie Fawkes.
Speaker:I was punchy before we started recording, so now my punchiness
Speaker:is down, my level is dead though.
Speaker:I think I scared you with today's topic.
Speaker:So let's go, let's go.
Speaker:We're gonna dive in.
Speaker:We wanna get to this one cuz there's probably a lot to take in.
Speaker:If you are at home, playing at home along in the recorded version,
Speaker:grab yourself a cup of coffee.
Speaker:And I kind of want you to grab a pen and paper if possible.
Speaker:If not, please commit these in the memory.
Speaker:They're not that difficult.
Speaker:As a matter of fact, you can follow along and try some of the
Speaker:things that we do when we do them.
Speaker:Here's why.
Speaker:Today we're gonna talk about hiccups, like not like that.
Speaker:But when you're talking, when you are a speaker, when you are a podcaster,
Speaker:a lot of people get very concerned about their vocal fluidity, right?
Speaker:I'd say verbal fluency because it's the right terminology.
Speaker:But we want to be extremely careful not to confuse this with some sort of speech.
Speaker:Speech.
Speaker:See, I can't even say it.
Speaker:Speech pathology.
Speaker:I'm not a speech pathologist.
Speaker:I am not a psychologist.
Speaker:I am a doctor and I play one on tv, but not that kind of doctor.
Speaker:I'm the doctor of rock, you know, like the king of rock.
Speaker:There is no higher.
Speaker:Suck it.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Anyway, so there is something about this test though that I will say that's
Speaker:generally medically accepted that if you're doing a fast association test,
Speaker:which is something that we're gonna talk about as a way to get better
Speaker:as a podcast or a public speaker.
Speaker:If you happen to come to a number less than 17, you
Speaker:probably should talk to a doctor.
Speaker:That's just something that has been globally accepted along long lines.
Speaker:And I remember this cuz when going through doctors with some of my family
Speaker:members about Alzheimer's, that was one of the tests that they gave them.
Speaker:And I was sitting there playing along with, because I'm used to doing it
Speaker:as a radio guy, so, Katie, what are your questions about verbal fluency?
Speaker:And I'm gonna use their fancy word because that's what I know it as, but
Speaker:people, again, this is not medical, so don't ask me medical questions.
Speaker:No medical questions here.
Speaker:I mean, I think for me it comes down to a lot of questions around what kinds of
Speaker:things can I do to make my presentation skills, both in live video as well as, you
Speaker:know, just in person doing events better.
Speaker:I'm well aware and I just said it.
Speaker:I'm well aware that now that I use Descript and go through the
Speaker:transcripts on a regular basis, I don't say a lot of ums, so great.
Speaker:I don't say a lot of likes.
Speaker:But I say, you know, you know, I, you know, I, you know, I, you know, all
Speaker:over and over and over again and I'm always removing them later in Descript.
Speaker:Now I'm gonna speak slowly cuz I'm watching what I'm saying.
Speaker:But yeah, I mean, I practice a lot.
Speaker:I am now live a lot or recording videos or sharing videos or talking,
Speaker:and I come from an acting background, so I'm very comfortable on the stage.
Speaker:And like you, I have a background in speaking publicly, but I still
Speaker:struggle with tripping over my words, talking too fast, talking too slow.
Speaker:So, yeah.
Speaker:What are some of the things other than just practicing that we can all
Speaker:do to get better at how we speak and how fast or slow and what we say so
Speaker:that we don't have any of those extra words thrown in or tripping over words.
Speaker:All right, so this is a fantastic question.
Speaker:Number one, I just literally watched you, not literally, I just did that.
Speaker:I did that.
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:I just watched you do.
Speaker:And you did exactly what you're supposed to do and don't even
Speaker:realize that you're doing it.
Speaker:But the reason why you're doing it is because you are live more, talking more,
Speaker:speaking more, maintaining meetings of importance more and things of that nature.
Speaker:So you kind of made question as follows, how can I eat 6,000
Speaker:cakes a day and not get fat?
Speaker:You know the answer is practice.
Speaker:The answer is absolutely practice.
Speaker:You just don't realize how you're practicing.
Speaker:So what I want to do is help people mix the practice up so that
Speaker:way it doesn't become monotonous and seems so task-oriented.
Speaker:But part of the reason why you are getting so much better from before
Speaker:is because you're just doing it more.
Speaker:Shows over people.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:If you really want to be verbally fluid, go live more, record yourself more,
Speaker:practice, practice, practice, practice.
Speaker:And there's ways to practice without practicing.
Speaker:Well, how would you do that?
Speaker:Hey man, how you doing?
Speaker:Um, I'm gonna press the FaceTime button.
Speaker:Can you please put yourself on, do you know to just FaceTiming your
Speaker:homies will make you better at this?
Speaker:Do you know that doing a video message or Instagram lives with your friends?
Speaker:You know, not even everybody else can see like a private situation
Speaker:popping up in the discord and just talking to people in a group running
Speaker:Zoom meetings with your friends.
Speaker:All of the above will get you better at speaking on camera.
Speaker:And people dismiss that because everybody wants to show up on
Speaker:camera like I'm Alec Johnson.
Speaker:Today I'm going to talk to you about Ecamm Live Advanced.
Speaker:No, don't be Alec Johnson.
Speaker:I love you, Alec
Speaker:. We love you, Alec.
Speaker:That's his natural personality.
Speaker:So he's not doing anything different.
Speaker:That is, I sit in meetings with him all the time.
Speaker:We talk all the time.
Speaker:That is his actual demeanor.
Speaker:Yeah, that's different.
Speaker:Like you, you have to be born with that demeanor, I think.
Speaker:That level of calm, I don't know about that.
Speaker:I'm way too psychotic for that.
Speaker:But having simple conversations will get you better.
Speaker:One of my favorite tools I tell everyone in my personal
Speaker:training group is video journal.
Speaker:Do you remember TLC Trading Spaces?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:They gave them a camera so they can, I hope my neighbor
Speaker:is not jacking up my room.
Speaker:I hope they didn't make any bright colors and purples or put like
Speaker:paisley stickers everywhere.
Speaker:Things of that nature, right?
Speaker:That video journaling alone will, no one has to see it,
Speaker:but you will make you better.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And forcing yourself to actually watch it.
Speaker:So it's one thing to do it, and doing it will certainly help you practice.
Speaker:You know, there are so many people...
Speaker:I said it again.
Speaker:You know, there are so many people out there who record a
Speaker:video and I'm guilty of this.
Speaker:And then they're like, great.
Speaker:I did it.
Speaker:I practiced.
Speaker:I went live, I did it.
Speaker:I practiced.
Speaker:But there is something about listening to it, watching it, seeing what you like,
Speaker:and don't like asking a friend to review it and give their feedback back to you.
Speaker:I think it really does make a difference in actually forcing
Speaker:yourself to consume your own content when you're a guest on a show.
Speaker:All of that stuff is great practice in doing it, but even better practice in
Speaker:actually watching it and seeing what you like and what you don't like, and
Speaker:figuring out how you can make those changes to the things you don't like.
Speaker:Here's another fantastic tip.
Speaker:As you're doing this and you're talking and you're trying to get
Speaker:everything out, one of the things I find to me has been my absolute best
Speaker:is I study a wide range of topics.
Speaker:I absolutely love football round.
Speaker:I actually, even as an American love football round more
Speaker:than I love football oblong.
Speaker:I love baseball, but I also, I love f1.
Speaker:I love cooking, coffee, music, movies, old movies, things of that nature.
Speaker:If you happen to be bilingual, you already have a large level of verbal fluency.
Speaker:So when I was learning Japanese, there is a typical thing in learning
Speaker:a foreign language where you just memorize a whole bunch of words.
Speaker:Very true.
Speaker:Memorizing a whole bunch of words will never get you verbally
Speaker:fluent in another language.
Speaker:For us podcasters or live streamers or public speakers, even learning the
Speaker:term of art for that particular echelon of, you know, content creation is also
Speaker:verbal fluency because you now have to learn compression, eq, mic placement,
Speaker:breathing techniques, you know, posting, editing, levels up, levels down, like
Speaker:all myriad types of thing, right?
Speaker:Frequencies, microphone frequencies, things of that nature.
Speaker:So in watching content and repeating some of this content out loud,
Speaker:like just reading an article about compression on your, say your mix.
Speaker:And reading it out loud will allow you to get better at discussing
Speaker:these things when it comes up, right?
Speaker:So you won't talk about that thingy.
Speaker:You know what it is because you read it.
Speaker:But if you read it and say it out loud, reading aloud especially on a wide
Speaker:variety of topics will really help you.
Speaker:So for the kids in the chat that are here for the live recording and
Speaker:people play it along at home, yeah.
Speaker:Just say this out loud right now, or write this in the chat real quick.
Speaker:How many books a month do you read?
Speaker:Be honest.
Speaker:And Sports Illustrated kind of sort of don't count, I mean,
Speaker:like, Time magazines don't count.
Speaker:Like how many actual books do you read in a month?
Speaker:Please confess.
Speaker:I'm actually curious.
Speaker:Now, Katie, I know you're an avid reader, right?
Speaker:How many books?
Speaker:Like I, I think I'm around four or five, depending on what I'm,
Speaker:good lord.
Speaker:Depending on what I'm consuming, I, on average, I tend to read somewhere
Speaker:around 80 or 90 books a year.
Speaker:So that I'm so bad at math.
Speaker:Again, that's a mix of different, and I, that is inclusive.
Speaker:I re, I have little kids and so I read out loud to them every night.
Speaker:Now we're flowing through like all of my favorite, you know, kids chapter books and
Speaker:young adult chapter books at this point.
Speaker:So I do count those as ones, but I would say my favorite to do so definitely
Speaker:answer this question we'd love to know.
Speaker:But while you're thinking about.
Speaker:If you do like to read, and even if you're not reading a ton right now, reading Dr.
Speaker:Seuss books or kids' books out loud is a really great practice.
Speaker:I went through this whole phase of just like enjoying doing
Speaker:that with for my children.
Speaker:It became almost a game because a Dr.
Speaker:Seuss book rhymes obviously all the way through and it's got all of these
Speaker:like very complicated non words in it.
Speaker:And so if you can read that out loud with personality and character and not trip
Speaker:over any of those words, it takes a bit.
Speaker:It took me probably reading the same book four or five times before
Speaker:I could read it to the kids, make them laugh, not trip over my words,
Speaker:and it's a great accomplishment.
Speaker:I got to the end of it and I was like, I'm awesome at this.
Speaker:And a lot of them I had even memorized after a point, but it, I think it's
Speaker:a really super easy trick to get up and running quickly because those
Speaker:rhyming books have a cadence to them.
Speaker:They have a flow to them, but you can still add in your own
Speaker:personalities, whether you own them yourself, or you can just grab 'em
Speaker:at your local library or find them even online to be able to read, but
Speaker:they're really easy to get your hands on and a really low lift, quick way to
Speaker:practice just how you sound and how you can play with the levels of your voice.
Speaker:Play with it with a mic.
Speaker:Record it if you want, but it was a fun thing for me to try.
Speaker:I thought.
Speaker:I thought you were gonna go how many lovers record?
Speaker:Play with the mic.
Speaker:Play with it with the mic and rice.
Speaker:Play with it with the mic and rice, because it's twice as nice.
Speaker:I thought you were literally gonna go into a Seussian flow.
Speaker:I'm not that good.
Speaker:I thought she was gonna go into a full Seussian flow.
Speaker:All right, so listen, here's the thing that's funny.
Speaker:I am so glad this happened in a way, and I was prepared for this to happen.
Speaker:Nobody really answered, you know why?
Speaker:Nobody really answered, because they don't.
Speaker:Let's be dead honest with you and I,
Speaker:oh, come on, everyone reading.
Speaker:I appreciate the honesty because if you don't, then this is why
Speaker:you're having a hard time speaking.
Speaker:Now, here's the thing, when you were a kid and you were starting to develop
Speaker:into sort of that dating range, right?
Speaker:So let's put you somewhere between say like 14 and 22.
Speaker:One of the common things for dating in that era is just watching movies.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:And maybe it's different now because you know, movies not as good as
Speaker:they were before this, be honest.
Speaker:But because we went to the movies all the time, we were constantly exposed
Speaker:to lots and lots of different ways of speaking and quick quippy, romcom quips,
Speaker:you know, especially our generation.
Speaker:The movie that we're watching in your show, right?
Speaker:They were all very quippy and fast and whatever.
Speaker:And I feel like super dialogue.
Speaker:When I was in the highlight of my dating game, I was super quick with
Speaker:the gift and it was because I watched all of those movies with my roommate.
Speaker:I had a female roommate, so I watched all the romcoms with her and her homies.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:We had Girls night sit around in our robes and watch, you know,
Speaker:random, uh, John Cusak movies.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Jason Bateman, you know, was big time.
Speaker:Christian Slater was big time, you know, in those days.
Speaker:And so when to this day I will watch the living crap out of a Sorkin joint.
Speaker:Sorkin stuffs will get you good.
Speaker:Now, if you watch your favorite Sorkin thing, one of the things you always say
Speaker:is nobody quick to answer that fast.
Speaker:No real situation with a bunch of people are that quick.
Speaker:I beg to differ.
Speaker:I think my friends are, because we all watch that sort of Sorkian documentary
Speaker:and I think we talk like that in general.
Speaker:We're all really, really fast.
Speaker:Sit around with a bunch of retired radio DJs, we're quick
Speaker:as hell, you know what I mean?
Speaker:So it's kind of fun and it's hilarious.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:One of my other homies is a super avid reader.
Speaker:Like she brags about, oh, what are you doing this weekend?
Speaker:I'm going to the book sale.
Speaker:So , if you happen to be around to watch Diana yesterday on Kirk Stream
Speaker:talking about a book, there became a section where Kirk told Diana,
Speaker:please read a passage from your book.
Speaker:Yo.
Speaker:She read that joint like a fifth grade librarian because Diana even told us
Speaker:in her book, in the pre the preface of, preface in the whatever, in the preface
Speaker:to her book, she even told us about, you know, reading ad nauseum per se.
Speaker:And so it was part of her conversation and that's what makes
Speaker:her such a good presenter, right?
Speaker:People don't want to hear that because they swear they don't have time.
Speaker:Bro, you can do audio books and when you get the parts you like, just repeat it out
Speaker:loud, run it back and repeat it out loud.
Speaker:But the knowledge you put in the melon, the much better you would
Speaker:be at speaking extemporaneously.
Speaker:And I always know who I'm talking to when people say, well, why
Speaker:do you use such big words?
Speaker:They're not big.
Speaker:If you read, it's a common word, right?
Speaker:If you only talk to a circle of friends, and this is gonna hurt some of y'all.
Speaker:If your circle of friends conversate at a fifth, sixth grade level,
Speaker:just because it's comfortable, you will fall into that trap.
Speaker:In a place like where I live, and Johnny would probably understand this too, cuz
Speaker:he's a second generation or any of us
Speaker:second generation kids, when we go back to speak English in the home
Speaker:with our parents that are esaw, we tend to make our conversations
Speaker:a little bit more elementary.
Speaker:Simplify.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:In order to let your parents or your grandparents follow along
Speaker:and be part of the conversation, part of the family, and fully
Speaker:understand, that's just the way it is.
Speaker:You have to go outta your way to step out of that and go step into liquid,
Speaker:meaning go find a bunch of law school kids that you are friends with to
Speaker:hang out with them too, so that you can also have that level of elevated,
Speaker:you know, listening and speaking.
Speaker:It's just one of those really, really weird things.
Speaker:So increase the amount of stuff that you read, read out loud whenever possible.
Speaker:Watch movies with incredible dialogue when you hear a lovely
Speaker:word inside of a dialogue.
Speaker:Uh, if you hear the word sycophantic, you know, and you're like, I don't really know
Speaker:what that means, and you look that up and you like it, put that in your vocabulary.
Speaker:Start working with that.
Speaker:Learn how to say things like 50, 1100 ways, right?
Speaker:So I'm gonna get into some other exercises after that, but I just wanna see if you
Speaker:had any, any questions at this point?
Speaker:No questions, but I will give a pro tip from someone who is working on this.
Speaker:So I'm by no means a professional at it, but one thing that I always do is I,
Speaker:and you will all see this on a regular basis, if you watch any of the streams
Speaker:that I participate in, by and large, the mass majority of live streams and
Speaker:video podcasts and video work that I'm doing right now, I'm with a partner.
Speaker:So, right now I'm with Doc, I'm with Paul.
Speaker:I'm like, I have someone else on the stream with me.
Speaker:I am doing that because I find it much easier to be able to help people and
Speaker:to shine and to speak more clearly when I have someone that I can bounce ideas
Speaker:and questions back and forth with.
Speaker:I just find that to be generally easier.
Speaker:In the times where I need to be by myself.
Speaker:I'm giving, you know, a presentation or a talk, or I'm preparing for
Speaker:an on the stage presentation at a physical event, I will practice with
Speaker:someone else with me in the chat.
Speaker:So I have now taken this principle to me where I will, as I'm preparing her,
Speaker:even if I'm recording my video, that I'm gonna submit and it's just me.
Speaker:I'll have my best friend sit on Ecamm interview just in the corner, and I'll
Speaker:have her ask questions or contribute back and forth so that it's a banter.
Speaker:And once we've done that a couple of times, then I feel much more confident
Speaker:and capable of recording that solo.
Speaker:A lot of the reason that I do that isn't because
Speaker:I dunno what to say or I haven't planned it out, or I'm even worried about
Speaker:being on camera or in person by myself.
Speaker:A lot of it is that when I'm back and forth and I'm in this snappy,
Speaker:like what we just talked about with movies and some of these other
Speaker:experiences, I speak a lot faster.
Speaker:But when I'm giving a presentation one-on-one, I need to slow down
Speaker:and sometimes having someone else there makes me feel a little bit
Speaker:more comfortable and slows me down even if they're not saying anything.
Speaker:So I would say that if you are that person, or that's the thing that
Speaker:you're struggling with, is presenting by yourself, practice with other
Speaker:people, even if the end result is that you're gonna be by yourself.
Speaker:Having someone else there, whether they're in the chat, whether they're
Speaker:calling in as an interview guest, whether you're practicing it and have
Speaker:a back and forth, is gonna help you get more comfortable with slowing down
Speaker:and feeling more confident and laughing off some of the mistakes that you make
Speaker:and really finding your own voice.
Speaker:I think so.
Speaker:You know, I would say I agree with everything Doc just said, and I think
Speaker:probably even my, I guess my next question that would follow up with that point
Speaker:is, How do you find your own style?
Speaker:Because I think everything that you just said, Doc is really relevant and
Speaker:super helpful information, but you definitely have a very set style, right?
Speaker:So you're even the terminology and some of the language that you're using is
Speaker:going to resonate more with certain people than it will with others.
Speaker:But you've embraced that.
Speaker:That's your personality, that's your teaching style, and I think it's
Speaker:really important for doing live videos.
Speaker:So how do people figure out
Speaker:what their style is, what their, you know, cadence is, how they're gonna be
Speaker:able to express themselves through video?
Speaker:Hey, you guys gonna love the answer to this?
Speaker:Uh, it's so funny.
Speaker:Here's how you find your style.
Speaker:Stop looking for your style.
Speaker:Just talk.
Speaker:You already have a style.
Speaker:You were born the way you are.
Speaker:Very true.
Speaker:Like trying to add some flare or whatever.
Speaker:Okay, let, I may have told the stories to the, my, my regular group, my
Speaker:personal group, but I don't know if I've told this to the Flow Riders.
Speaker:When I was in radio, we had to do what's called an air check in
Speaker:order to get your slot, right?
Speaker:I never really did an air check.
Speaker:I got my slot by accident.
Speaker:I was a intern that hung out at the station, and normally what I did
Speaker:was I edited commercials because you guys know I'm a computer nerd.
Speaker:I was really good at editing commercials on computer before we edited
Speaker:commercials with a giant one inch tape.
Speaker:Legit cut and tape sections together.
Speaker:So I was learning how to convert what we had in our regular edit
Speaker:bay into my computer situation.
Speaker:So I would drag my whole computer in, set it up in the audio room, and I'm over
Speaker:there working on, you know, commercials.
Speaker:There was a concert that came in that everybody wanted to go to, and they
Speaker:were like, hey intern run the box.
Speaker:Don't crack the mic.
Speaker:That's when you turn the mic on and say, Hey everybody,
Speaker:you're listening to K I K F M.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:You're not a real person, you're an intern.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Don't crack the mic, just play the songs on the list.
Speaker:Play the commercials on the list and back then you put the commercials in.
Speaker:Like it looked like an eight track tape.
Speaker:You put it in the cart machine, you put the music in the, just play
Speaker:a list and don't screw nothing.
Speaker:Of course in the middle of that, something happens in Hawaii where
Speaker:it required cracking the mic and I did it and I did it effortlessly.
Speaker:And my boss is like, I'm gonna put you on nights for a little bit and then
Speaker:let you, you know, build up your skill.
Speaker:And then after, you'll always do coverage whenever somebody needs to not be here.
Speaker:And that was best.
Speaker:So that's how I got in.
Speaker:But about halfway through, he was like, you know, everybody else
Speaker:has air checks on deck that we go through once every couple of months
Speaker:just to see how you're progressing.
Speaker:So I'm gonna need you to do air check.
Speaker:And I said, I don't really know how to do that because I didn't do Columbia
Speaker:School of Broadcasting or any of the other stuff that some of the other guys did.
Speaker:And my old boss told me, yeah, you know what?
Speaker:I kind of wanna punch all of them in the face, because here's what happens today.
Speaker:Like any other day, I'm in my, I'm in my groove, right?
Speaker:This is just how I am for the most part.
Speaker:This is me all the time, but when I have a bad day, I still sound like this.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Because I'm not changing to be on the show.
Speaker:I'm not going hey, listen, everyone, today is the special day and we're going to get
Speaker:out and talk to Katie Fawkes from Ecamm.
Speaker:That works perfectly fine until Karen pisses me off and I gotta show up.
Speaker:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker:You can't show up if you trying to do that crap.
Speaker:So I can't stand when people do that.
Speaker:So don't try to find a style.
Speaker:Just talk the way you talk.
Speaker:Now Caleb brought this up and I wanna make sure that I cover this
Speaker:cause I think it's hyper important.
Speaker:Caleb brought this up because like some of you may have been confused by the title.
Speaker:Caleb went to the sort of the medical side and they said, what about
Speaker:people who have a speech impediment?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:I kind of do, actually.
Speaker:What happened was after my stroke, I definitely will call the wrong
Speaker:words at the wrong time, and sometimes I'll blank on words.
Speaker:I know exactly what it is.
Speaker:I could have said it 17 times in the same conversation, and
Speaker:I get to it to the next time.
Speaker:And then I'll be like, you know, uh, the dude from Miami.
Speaker:Camera Junkie.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I'll do that.
Speaker:It'll, it'll just go in my head.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And thus, I never had that happen until after my stroke.
Speaker:Just happens.
Speaker:You know what?
Speaker:Don't care.
Speaker:I'll just do it.
Speaker:Like everybody thinks it's funny when I blank, right?
Speaker:Or Keeley or Paul or somebody will answer my blanks for
Speaker:me, and I'm just run with it.
Speaker:Like I don't even freak out over that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I also remind myself that my GOATS, and I brought this up yesterday.
Speaker:Biggie, Q-Tip, Method Man, Kendrick Lamar, Sam Smith, right?
Speaker:They all have speech impediments and they are like the goats.
Speaker:Kendrick Lamar is a massive stutterer, but you would never know that when Kendrick
Speaker:busts out one of his complex verses.
Speaker:Just like we don't hear British in certain singers when they sing.
Speaker:A lot of people that have those sort of impediments go away when
Speaker:they try to sing or act or perform.
Speaker:And so it's kind of mind blowing, but the brain just does weird stuff like that.
Speaker:So that I really don't wanna get too far in, but I want to remind you that.
Speaker:It's okay.
Speaker:You might just let it, you see, I just did it.
Speaker:You might just have to let it be and don't think that your voice sounds funny to us.
Speaker:Your voice always sounds funny to you because it's resonating in that melon.
Speaker:If you have a mein like myself or Fuljens, it's completely
Speaker:different than what comes out.
Speaker:We have lots of room for resonance.
Speaker:I think it's a really important point, and I think really what the heart of
Speaker:it goes back to, which is certainly you, Doc, talk about all the time,
Speaker:and we've talked about a lot on this podcast is, is really a matter of
Speaker:passion and a matter of confidence.
Speaker:So, you know, really embracing who you are, knowing that you have value
Speaker:to give and that you have a passion and a reason behind the projects that
Speaker:you take on and the things that you're doing, especially in the video and live
Speaker:streaming space is hugely important.
Speaker:And if you're able, which you should, and you should push yourself to be able to
Speaker:focus on that passion and on the end user.
Speaker:Tripping over words here and there, forgetting, some what you need
Speaker:to say and taking a moment to stop and find it is always okay.
Speaker:It's like, it is always okay because you are delivering value
Speaker:and you are helping your audience.
Speaker:And if you keep that in mind and you keep that focus and you continue
Speaker:to do it, you will build that confidence so that it is always okay.
Speaker:And know this as someone who was not okay with it, who came from a background
Speaker:of, you know, being on stage in the theater where you couldn't screw
Speaker:up a line, you needed to memorize your lines, you needed to deliver.
Speaker:Live video and even tutorial videos are not like that.
Speaker:They are expecting you to have a level of authority and personality
Speaker:and authenticity, that is very, very different than what you were
Speaker:seeing from a celebrity acting in a movie or someone acting on stage or
Speaker:what we all expected from business professionals even five, 10 years ago.
Speaker:So I think it's really important that we all embrace that we have value to give.
Speaker:Find those projects that bring you passion and then the rest of it will come.
Speaker:It's not always gonna be perfect, but you hopefully at the end of it
Speaker:are going to be giving people value.
Speaker:Otherwise, don't do it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Now this is really good.
Speaker:Nat brings up a great comment in the chat about, you know, getting
Speaker:used to your voice is a big thing.
Speaker:And I say no.
Speaker:Now I beg the dither dither.
Speaker:Different.
Speaker:See, don't, why would we talk about it today when I'm flubbing?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Don't get used to it.
Speaker:Accept it.
Speaker:Accept it.
Speaker:It is, it's raining where we live.
Speaker:It's wet outside.
Speaker:We can't do jack about that, so we just run with it.
Speaker:It's, it's, it's like rain or snow where Katie is like, it is what it is.
Speaker:Move on.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:When I think of people with horrible voices that turned it into, Gilbert,
Speaker:Godfrey Gilbert, it might have to eat another one of these steak crackers.
Speaker:Everybody that has a kid during the Aladdin phase, you know that voice
Speaker:when I think of Jennifer Tilly?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and the bride of Chucky and many other Fran Drescher.
Speaker:But you know what they did?
Speaker:They turned it into their magic.
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:They're magic.
Speaker:Gretchen said Fran Drescher, right when I said Fran Drescher.
Speaker:So yeah.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:And speaking of lovely voices, someone I can listen to all day long.
Speaker:Sally just popped up in the chat.
Speaker:Sally's voice is a mix of this, just general like Aussie
Speaker:greatness with her laugh.
Speaker:And the thing that I love so much about Sally, besides the fact that we're diehard
Speaker:purple fan, is she laughs constantly.
Speaker:And then some people that's irritating because they're faking it.
Speaker:She ain't faking.
Speaker:This is just Sally.
Speaker:She sent me a voicemail yesterday and she's laughing.
Speaker:Like, I swear to you, she laughs while she yell at her kids.
Speaker:Like, if you don't do your homework, I'm gonna come in here
Speaker:and slap the crap outta you.
Speaker:Like, I'm pretty sure she's laughing when she's yelling at her kids.
Speaker:The reality, too, is that the things that you don't like about yourself, whether
Speaker:it's your voice or you know how you look, et cetera, someone else wishes they had.
Speaker:So yes, you need to just deal with it.
Speaker:I know that's crappy for everyone to hear, but you do.
Speaker:I, whether it's, you know, I've had years of my life where I hate the gap
Speaker:between my teeth, and I've had dentists who have told me that supermodels pay
Speaker:to have a gap between their teeth.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:because it's differentiating, right?
Speaker:Because it's differentiating.
Speaker:So I'm sure that it comes down to that with your voice, with your hair, with
Speaker:whether or not you should wear makeup.
Speaker:All of these things are going to be things that you're gonna need to figure out.
Speaker:But in the end, It's the people who embrace it and who just let
Speaker:their personality shine through that are gonna be successful.
Speaker:So you need to find a way to embrace the things that maybe have originally
Speaker:driven you crazy, especially if it comes down to your voice.
Speaker:It makes you unique and it's why people will tune in and
Speaker:listen and spend time with you.
Speaker:It isn't, you know, how perfect your set is or the exact
Speaker:cadence of what you're saying.
Speaker:It's really the confidence that you have and the passion that you bring
Speaker:and the value that you're delivering.
Speaker:Man, you guys remember United Colors of Benton ads and then even more
Speaker:recently Apple Ads where they went out of the way to get models with
Speaker:different features and highlight them.
Speaker:I think that's dope.
Speaker:My middle sister, same thing.
Speaker:Katie, like, she used to always be like super afraid of the gap in her teeth,
Speaker:and now that's just part of her thing.
Speaker:And Tony is on your side, too.
Speaker:So yeah, like whatever, man, like nobody really cares if
Speaker:you're delivering the value.
Speaker:That's going to help me save 15% on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
Speaker:I kind of don't care what you sound like and look like.
Speaker:I'm trying to save that car insurance loot.
Speaker:Okay, so a couple more quick ones I wanna throw at you guys.
Speaker:Brain training apps, right?
Speaker:One of my friends, John, he worked on one called Element, I believe.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But there's a bunch of brain training apps that you can go through those will really
Speaker:help you out with your verbal fluency.
Speaker:But I wanna give you some exercises that you can do right away.
Speaker:So we're going to play a little game and I want everybody to play along.
Speaker:And Katie know I'm not gonna judge you on this.
Speaker:I feel judged, judged already.
Speaker:Let me get my Garage Band open.
Speaker:I am going to purposely set this tempo to 60.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So we're going to do a situation called Fast.
Speaker:And this is where you can pick any letters you want when you're doing this
Speaker:at home people, or in the beginning, you might even just start out with words.
Speaker:So I'm going to say a word.
Speaker:And you try to bring up as much words that are associated
Speaker:with that within 60 seconds.
Speaker:Now, the reason why I play a metronome that sounds like this, if
Speaker:I can make it work, play, dang it.
Speaker:So the reason why you play a metronome
Speaker:right now we're in the groove
Speaker:is it allows you to do it on beat.
Speaker:If you can't keep up with this 60, this will make you get 60 out in a minute.
Speaker:But if you can't keep up with this 60, lower it to like 40.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I wouldn't go much lower than 40, cuz then that gets a little bit lazy.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So, okay.
Speaker:I would've picked some, I'm gonna even start with something that I know
Speaker:you're pretty knowledgeable about.
Speaker:Knowledgeable.
Speaker:Let's talk about verbal fluency on a day I can't speak.
Speaker:One that we're knowledgeable about.
Speaker:Let's do something about publishing.
Speaker:So how many words about publishing can you spit out in the next 30 seconds?
Speaker:Let me get my watch ready and, Go
Speaker:book, author, editor, publisher, illustrator, words, text, reading.
Speaker:Oh, I can't hear the metronome anymore.
Speaker:Um, gosh, uh, Amazon, Sale, Bookstore, independent publisher.
Speaker:Ooh, this is hard.
Speaker:What am I at?
Speaker:Am I at 30 seconds?
Speaker:and two, one and
Speaker:Pages.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:You see that though right now?
Speaker:I know for a fact.
Speaker:Stop.
Speaker:Stop playing.
Speaker:Dang it.
Speaker:I know for a fact that you know a lot about that subject, but when you asked
Speaker:to do it on speed, you get stuck.
Speaker:Now the first time you get it, yeah, you'll probably pull it under 17 cuz
Speaker:you're just getting used to the exercise.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:But if you do the exercise over and over again,
Speaker:And again, if you find yourself constantly not making it past 17 or
Speaker:18, please go actually see a doctor.
Speaker:I'm not even tripping that's just a real thing, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I bet you a dime against two fat boys, when Aubrey was going through
Speaker:recovering from her tbi, they probably did this test with her.
Speaker:Aubrey,
Speaker:if you did this test, please let me know.
Speaker:Something similar.
Speaker:Now, the first test is basic word association, which Katie just did.
Speaker:Now we're gonna do basic word non-associated . Okay, so the
Speaker:way you do that is, okay, let's say we're gonna do car, right?
Speaker:Okay, so I would go car seat chair, baby food spill, messy
Speaker:refrigerator, Texas Grill.
Speaker:vegetables.
Speaker:Nasty.
Speaker:Wait, so are each of those, are each of those words associated
Speaker:to the one in front of them?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Or, or, or closely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So you're just moving it along the chain.
Speaker:Right, so I, I mean I can do this game pretty good.
Speaker:We do this in improv classes.
Speaker:They do this test, all that.
Speaker:Not really test.
Speaker:It's a game.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:They do it improv.
Speaker:In improv they do it where you're passing it along to people.
Speaker:So you need something to do in the car with the children's, do that.
Speaker:And the non-associated one is dope because you can't prepare.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And makes an awesome drinking game.
Speaker:Ecamm does not endorse the
Speaker:. Doc does.
Speaker:Sorry, Ken.
Speaker:Wait.
Speaker:Ken.
Speaker:Ken's with Ken's whiskey man with me.
Speaker:So he's good, Glen.
Speaker:Not true.
Speaker:Uh, so if you do that, This is where you learn to think fast and quick, right?
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:We did this as kids in elementary with the hot potatoes, right?
Speaker:You, you did the thing when you move around the hot potatoes.
Speaker:So doing a basic word association, trying to spit out as many words
Speaker:as you can within 60 seconds that are related to the same thing.
Speaker:So for me, I'm gonna go car, seat radio, tires, window engine, oil transmission,
Speaker:cassette eight, track trunk seat.
Speaker:Glove box manual, manual transmission, automatic tronic, differential speed.
Speaker:Police
Speaker:Doc can do this all day, and I'm like, panic mode
Speaker:all day long, all day, every day.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:I do this, I do this.
Speaker:So what is that doing as far as helping with verbal fluencies?
Speaker:What does practicing something like that do to help us as podcasters?
Speaker:Fluency is recall.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker:At the end of the day, fluency is recall when someone says to you,
Speaker:Katie, name me 10 things in the next 15 seconds that you miss about Canada.
Speaker:Tim Horton's snow.
Speaker:Oh, see, like I, maybe I need to see a doctor.
Speaker:I can't, like I panic and can't think, I can't, I panic and
Speaker:can't think past those things.
Speaker:That one should be so simple for you because you lived
Speaker:majority of your life there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You should be able to spit that out and no, I don't think it's a doctor thing.
Speaker:I think this is a panic mode thing, but you, you just get, get over it and
Speaker:then now you'll learn that someone's gonna ask you that question, and
Speaker:this is how you kick butt at Trivial Pursuit and things of that nature.
Speaker:Because it's not about you didn't know, it's about pulling it out quick.
Speaker:Nothing sucks more than being a trivia contest, and the other person is
Speaker:answering and you know the answer, but you get it out like slower.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah, it's true
Speaker:memory recall.
Speaker:You guys remember Simon?
Speaker:You know you gotta press the little things.
Speaker:Simon alone will help you with this, right?
Speaker:I'm pretty good at Simon actually.
Speaker:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker:So get into that thing.
Speaker:This is funny.
Speaker:Now I have to do some more research on this.
Speaker:I didn't really think about this, but everyone says
Speaker:that they get nervous.
Speaker:Johnny, in the chat for those listening, is agreeing that I got nervous.
Speaker:I'm honestly trying to think through like, what is it in my head that,
Speaker:because I don't feel nervous, I'm not actually feeling nervous.
Speaker:I trust all of you.
Speaker:I trust Doc.
Speaker:But even as that, as I was trying to struggle to answer, I think
Speaker:it's like, it's a time challenge.
Speaker:It's like, I don't know if it's, yeah, it's not a nervous thing.
Speaker:For me, it's just I wanna complete the task, and so I'm going through my mind
Speaker:going like, what are those other things?
Speaker:And I just can't recall them fast enough to complete the task.
Speaker:I have the same problem sometimes with podcast interviews.
Speaker:Many times podcast interviewers will send questions in advance, which is great.
Speaker:I overthink that then, of course, but I get the questions in advance.
Speaker:But when they ask questions, many podcasts have like a speed question round.
Speaker:I'm actually really good at that round.
Speaker:What I struggle with is if they ask a question that in my mind is not
Speaker:something that I think that they would ask or something I think is relevant
Speaker:to the conversation, I do pause.
Speaker:And often have a hard time answering questions where I think in my head, I'm
Speaker:going through a process of making sure that what I say is relevant and helpful
Speaker:for the audience, and that slows me down.
Speaker:That's not what happened right now, but I think that is what happens
Speaker:in those kinds of instances.
Speaker:Like if someone on a podcast has me on and they don't actually know
Speaker:exactly how well I'm doing thing like or what I do on a regular basis.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:They're like, you're marketing director.
Speaker:Tell us about your strategies for how you use social media.
Speaker:I know how to do that.
Speaker:It's not what I'm doing on a regular basis in Ecamm.
Speaker:So in my mind, I'm going through like, how do I relate that to Ecamm and be able to
Speaker:answer this question appropriately that would be valuable for people watching
Speaker:and be marketing and letting people know more about the success of Ecamm.
Speaker:So I think that's what slows me down in that instance.
Speaker:And maybe that's also some element of that is what slows me down.
Speaker:When you just ask that question, it's like, What do I want to say?
Speaker:What am I pulling back up?
Speaker:What's relevant or not relevant?
Speaker:And I'm just not quite fast enough at doing that in my head, but you're right
Speaker:recall activities might help with that.
Speaker:So here, here's what it is for me and it's what it is for most people,
Speaker:and I'm so glad that Tony said it.
Speaker:Yeah, Tony.
Speaker:Yeah, Tony nailed it.
Speaker:We are of the generation of fear of being wrong and getting it wrong, but
Speaker:the fact is there's no, there's no wrong.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Getting it wrong or look looking stupid, quote unquote.
Speaker:Look.
Speaker:So in improv when we do this, you can just stick in any words you
Speaker:want, even if it has nothing to do.
Speaker:In the middle of that whole thing about Canada, you could
Speaker:have said deep ocean swimming.
Speaker:And it doesn't matter because you just gotta get to 10, right?
Speaker:And then we would've, we would have ejected the two bad ones and
Speaker:you still would've spit eight.
Speaker:But because of your fear of being wrong, because of your fear of
Speaker:being wrong, somebody once said, if you say it three times, they'll
Speaker:listen to you because of your fear, because of your fear of being wrong.
Speaker:You stopped at four.
Speaker:So it would've been better for you to have two things that just didn't
Speaker:match and land at eight than getting stuck at four trying to be right.
Speaker:Let that marinate, kinfolks.
Speaker:Let that marinate.
Speaker:Okay, so when you're doing the fast game, another thing that you could do
Speaker:is name as many words as you can in 60 seconds that begin with the letter F.
Speaker:And if the first answer isn't Fox, I'm mad at all of y'all.
Speaker:I'm like Fridge.
Speaker:You can do Fox twice because it's different, right?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:One is Katie and one is Marshall.
Speaker:So you can do words that begin with F and I guarantee you when people do this,
Speaker:somebody's going to say phone and freak out because they got it wrong, but your
Speaker:brain associates it so it's not wrong.
Speaker:It's still f.
Speaker:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker:If you're trying to be semantic, yo, you're going to lose.
Speaker:So in the middle of doing a conversation, you guys watched
Speaker:me do it about 12 times a day.
Speaker:I don't care that I said something stupid, I can immediately fix it.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:This is an activity that is built to destroy my brain, cuz I always care.
Speaker:I'm like, am I lying?
Speaker:Is this wrong?
Speaker:No, you can immediately fix it.
Speaker:Katie, this is a great exercise.
Speaker:When you said that and you weren't sure, guess what?
Speaker:We are live.
Speaker:We have Pauls, we ha, oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker:We have moderators.
Speaker:We have Pauls.
Speaker:Otherwise known as Pauls.
Speaker:We have my, please fact check that.
Speaker:So today I'm watching my lads, right, the Stratford paddock.
Speaker:Sorry, that's a Manchester United thing.
Speaker:And he mentioned.
Speaker:About Julio Inglacias' kid.
Speaker:What's the younger one?
Speaker:Enrique Inglacias, right?
Speaker:The people that are listening, they're younger, they remember him,
Speaker:but the other host remembers Julios.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And they're like, Julio.
Speaker:And it's like, yeah, that was Enrique's dad.
Speaker:And believe it or not, he was a goalkeeper at Rial Madrid.
Speaker:And they're like, no way.
Speaker:You know, they only know him from if all the girls I've loved
Speaker:before that traveled in and out my door, that's all they remember.
Speaker:They don't even remember that.
Speaker:So they thought he was straight lying.
Speaker:So he said, no, no.
Speaker:I'm gonna have my stat man go run real quick.
Speaker:They looked it up.
Speaker:Yes, Julio Inglacias was a goalkeeper for real Madrid back in the day.
Speaker:So it was legit.
Speaker:True fact.
Speaker:But don't worry if you get it wrong.
Speaker:You have your Paul-er-ators that can go fact check it or you can fact check
Speaker:it live while your other person's talking and say, Hey, I made a mistake,
Speaker:or It makes a really good story.
Speaker:I did.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Or a second video.
Speaker:Here's a totally embarrassing story, everyone.
Speaker:I'm gonna share this with you, even though it goes against my good
Speaker:nature to prove that I, that I am gonna be vulnerable for a minute.
Speaker:But Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:Hopefully you know who Freddie Prince Jr is.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I know exactly who Freddie Prince Jr is.
Speaker:I'm a huge movie geek, right?
Speaker:And that, so we just started our movie podcast, and so we did last
Speaker:week's episode all about three iconic nineties horror movies.
Speaker:One of them being, I know What You did last summer.
Speaker:Know What You Did last Summer.
Speaker:Come on.
Speaker:So we were talking all about Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:Over Christmas break, Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:Did a Christmas like Hallmark movie where he was like, in this amazing movie.
Speaker:It was really sweet, super cute if you're into like cheeseball, hallmark movies.
Speaker:But it was an all like all Spanish, Hispanic cast and Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:Who I know and everyone should know is Puerto Rican.
Speaker:He's got a Puerto Rican father.
Speaker:He is got a really famous father, right?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Doc's gonna laugh at this.
Speaker:Doc is just gonna pick on me for forever.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I literally sent my best friend, who's the host of my podcast, a
Speaker:message, and I was like, how come they hired Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:For this?
Speaker:He's so white and the whole, the rest of the cast is not.
Speaker:Like, I don't believe that his mother is this like adorable Spanish speaking woman
Speaker:making like all these like amazing dishes.
Speaker:And she's totally, and Natalie was like, Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:Is Hispanic.
Speaker:I was like, Freddie Prince Jr.
Speaker:Is not Hispanic.
Speaker:He's the whitest guy.
Speaker:We had this whole back and forth and I refused to double down on it.
Speaker:And then she was like, who's his?
Speaker:Who's his dad?
Speaker:I was like, Freddie Prince.
Speaker:He used to, oh wait a second.
Speaker:And I completely, I not only doubled down, I tripled down and I
Speaker:still like, I still show pictures.
Speaker:And I was like, okay.
Speaker:But his mom is Italian and he is incredibly white looking in my
Speaker:horribly racist, ridiculous moment, where I completely failed at it.
Speaker:Bro,
Speaker:you are right in that.
Speaker:Like I could have had fact checkers.
Speaker:Thankfully, I had fact checkers behind the scenes to stop me from
Speaker:publicly saying that on my podcast.
Speaker:That's, but yo, you're not old enough to watch Chico and the man.
Speaker:But I knew him.
Speaker:I could literally visualize Freddie Prince before I even looked it up.
Speaker:Yo, Chico, and the man was my favorite.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:It was my favorite show back in the day.
Speaker:That is so good.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Anyway, there's, there's my moment of admitting that I
Speaker:My thing about Freddy is I hated him because he took my girlfriend, Buffy.
Speaker:So he did.
Speaker:They're still together though.
Speaker:They're so in love.
Speaker:Isn't that dope?
Speaker:No, but I love Buffy, um, sorry.
Speaker:Sarah Michelle Geller.
Speaker:Smg for those who don't play long in the home game, she was
Speaker:just super cool back in day.
Speaker:I really enjoyed all of her stuff.
Speaker:So yeah, that's so funny, Kates.
Speaker:Oh my God.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:I'm gonna practice this game so I get better at it.
Speaker:But I, you're right, I do think a lot of it comes from being a perfectionist,
Speaker:not wanting to lie, not wanting to look dumb, not wanting to fail.
Speaker:Like, yeah, here's what's absolutely cool.
Speaker:You can play this with the Fawkes and I will, they will be better in school.
Speaker:Oh, they'll be better than me, which will make me feel even worse.
Speaker:But I'll get there.
Speaker:It'll be a good challenge,
Speaker:but it's okay cuz you're being a mom, right?
Speaker:And your kids, when you guys are, you know, riding up to Albany or you know,
Speaker:driving to someplace else, right?
Speaker:playing this in the car.
Speaker:I think we did it in the car a lot, too, right?
Speaker:We would play these kind of word associative games.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And for us it was because coming from Esau kids, it helped, you know,
Speaker:everybody just get better at speaking.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Also, one of the things, uh, this won't affect a lot of y'all, but some of
Speaker:the people in which I remember back in the day as a person of color, right.
Speaker:People always tried to make like you were dumb.
Speaker:So we worked extra hard to have better vocabularies.
Speaker:So that way, you know, Take some of that ammunition away from people.
Speaker:Yeah, so always did.
Speaker:Always did vocabulary stuff.
Speaker:Always scored really well in vocabulary tests and things like that.
Speaker:Always scored really well in spelling bees, which is funny
Speaker:now cuz I can't spell for crap.
Speaker:The computer definitely stole some of that, but I used to legit read
Speaker:the dictionary as a kid because.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:I wanted to present better, and I also went to a super melanin deficient
Speaker:private school , so I always felt like I had the underhand in the
Speaker:first place, you know what I mean?
Speaker:Because people in my house didn't talk like that because people in my
Speaker:house didn't always speak English.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:So I felt I was behind the eight ball.
Speaker:So yes, reading and expanding your knowledge, reading out loud completely
Speaker:helps out a lot because it helps you with your flow, listening to people
Speaker:that have fantastic vocabularies and have a scratch thing around.
Speaker:It could be your phone, it could be whatever.
Speaker:When you learn a new word.
Speaker:Study it, learn it, speak it, find how to use it in a sentence.
Speaker:Do the above, like increase your vocabulary.
Speaker:There's these books you can get and they're always at the bookstore, like $4
Speaker:because nobody buys them, which is dumb.
Speaker:I can tell nobody buys them because whenever news people do
Speaker:interviews or when Jimmy Kimmel does interviews in the street, I, this
Speaker:is so mean, and I'm super sorry.
Speaker:Our country is really, Let's be straight up honest.
Speaker:Our country is really dumb, but we think we know everything.
Speaker:And I, when I see those, it's a reminder.
Speaker:I never want to get caught out like that.
Speaker:So if I'm ever asked on an interview or something, I want to be able to
Speaker:articulate my thing as beautifully as possible and never freak out.
Speaker:And just from watching people on Jimmy Kimmel or people on the news say dumb
Speaker:stuff, I never wanted to get caught.
Speaker:And what it was for me, this is funny.
Speaker:Years ago, Johnny Carson, University of Washington had won some kind of
Speaker:football game against usc and they were asking the players like real simple
Speaker:questions and they couldn't answer.
Speaker:Y'all, I think I was in like 11th grade when I saw that, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker:never gonna get caught like that, ever.
Speaker:So I've gone out my way.
Speaker:So yes, definitely do those things.
Speaker:Toastmasters helps.
Speaker:And here's one more that's going help you: free writing.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Huge.
Speaker:I used to do this thing called seven 50 words.
Speaker:Seven 50 words.com and just free writing.
Speaker:How does this work?
Speaker:People grab yourself one of these.
Speaker:This is a pen.
Speaker:Grab yourself one of these.
Speaker:This is a pineapple.
Speaker:Pineapple.
Speaker:No, I'm joking.
Speaker:Just get a piece of paper and just let the brain come out.
Speaker:F your punctuation, F your sentence structure.
Speaker:Just let the hand go.
Speaker:No edit, free write, and no, you cannot type this on your phone and no, you
Speaker:cannot type this on the computer.
Speaker:It must be pineapple and pen.
Speaker:And just go, just let the brain just, you know, handwriting diarrhea on the paper.
Speaker:If you free write, you are letting out all of that stuff that's in your
Speaker:melon and it'll, it frees your free, your mind and the rest will follow
Speaker:Sorry, I definitely have musical Tourettes.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:See I, like Johnny said, we had a French English dictionary.
Speaker:Same.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And it really, really helped us.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:I realized that, you and Fuljens and Johnny can do a whole French broadcast.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:And you know what?
Speaker:French is one of those languages.
Speaker:So I grew up in Montreal and I grew up fairly bilingual.
Speaker:You have to in Montreal, but I haven't lived there now for
Speaker:almost 20 years at this point.
Speaker:So for me, I can still read French, I can watch French, I can
Speaker:consume any kind of French media or TV shows and radio, et cetera.
Speaker:But when someone says, say something in French, I have that
Speaker:same moment of like, what do I say?
Speaker:How do I say it?
Speaker:Am I gonna say it right?
Speaker:Never lose that.
Speaker:Please stop that today, Katie, as your, as your employee yelling
Speaker:upwards or as your friend.
Speaker:Please stop that.
Speaker:Do not lose that bilingual capability and kicking and screaming, put the kids on it.
Speaker:Get the kids back into it, part of you teaching it to them.
Speaker:It doesn't matter what the language is.
Speaker:I can tell you being poly gluttonous not gluten free, it really does expand
Speaker:your mind anyway because of the cultural difficulties in explaining things in
Speaker:certain languages, it requires you to take a better look at culture even.
Speaker:And therein lies makes you a more adaptable person.
Speaker:It's very true.
Speaker:So it's, it's super funny.
Speaker:My dad used to always do that to me because, you know, people would be
Speaker:freaked out that I could speak Korean.
Speaker:My dad would always say, say something Korean.
Speaker:And for Korean I would kind of always freeze, but I never freeze in Japanese.
Speaker:And I'll just, I'll just start talking Japanese in the middle of a
Speaker:damn podcast like nobody's business
Speaker:and descript is just like dot dot dot dot
Speaker:When I go to Japan, one of the best compliments I ever get from people is you
Speaker:speak Japanese without a foreign accent.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:That's awesome.
Speaker:And I go outta my way to do that because to this day I will hear people
Speaker:that speak Japanese be like, ua.
Speaker:And it's like, not ua.
Speaker:There's two ends.
Speaker:It's ua, there's a, the double N is a glottal stop.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You, it's ua.
Speaker:It's definitely one of those things.
Speaker:And that's why I'm always spazzing out about, you know, KA versus karaoke.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And about sake.
Speaker:Versus sake.
Speaker:And it's because that level of, again, verbal fluency in a foreign language.
Speaker:How I studied in Japan was I listen to music and watch movies
Speaker:because I wanted the tonality.
Speaker:So by all means, all of you guys that are multilingual, Johnny, maybe
Speaker:not Natalie, I don't know if you're bilingual or not, but your last name
Speaker:says so , um, everybody, everybody that status bilingual in any way, shape or
Speaker:form in here and know Sally swearing does not count as the other language.
Speaker:You should at least know one swear word in every language.
Speaker:That's my policy.
Speaker:See, Johnny said I spent two years in Japan and can't speak Japanese.
Speaker:Johnny.
Speaker:Oh my.
Speaker:We are gonna fight about that.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:But yes, I think it's very important that any cause to if you have a
Speaker:bilingual capability because of, you know, when you're a child or whatever
Speaker:and maybe you don't use it now, please put it back in your rotation.
Speaker:Because one last thing, and I swear we're gonna quit.
Speaker:I read this somewhere.
Speaker:I have to double fact check it, but I read it somewhere that if whenever
Speaker:you're learning something new, podcasting, Ecamm, you know, whatever.
Speaker:If you also at the same time learn music or another language,
Speaker:you will learn the original topic deeper, stronger, better, faster.
Speaker:Because there's something about language learning and music.
Speaker:That makes your brain connect dots faster.
Speaker:So even at your age, Paul 88, if you were to pick up another
Speaker:language, it repairs synapses.
Speaker:It's something about that because language is so important to survival,
Speaker:read that back language is so important to survival that your brain will
Speaker:actually regrow broken sections.
Speaker:As a way of allowing you to survive.
Speaker:It's also the reason why they come up with tests like Woman man camera, tv.
Speaker:For people that are starting to get dementia, they, they told us right
Speaker:away before they got sick, like try to get their verbal fluency back
Speaker:because it helps repair portions of the brain that are dying.
Speaker:So, fun fact, the average American speaks with only a 440 word vocabulary.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yet we know almost every song by heart.
Speaker:So you're so true about what you just said, like it is amazing the
Speaker:amount of song lyrics that most of us retain that the second that the song
Speaker:starts, we know every single lyric or most, but I mean, it's impressive.
Speaker:So yeah, I think that is
Speaker:my musical Tourettes, right?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So that's how I, as my mom, she used to get so mad at me.
Speaker:She's like, how did you get a B in this?
Speaker:I was like, I, you know, like I, whatever.
Speaker:She goes, how's it that?
Speaker:You know, every rap lyric in the whole freaking planet,
Speaker:but you got a B in history.
Speaker:Go get the belt.
Speaker:Look like that was legit.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:We gotta, we gotta wrap.
Speaker:We are over time.
Speaker:Anyway.
Speaker:Gang, that was I, that was it.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:I don't, awesome.
Speaker:There was any questions that we didn't cover.
Speaker:Let me just double check real quick.
Speaker:You know there's always the one that comes up every time, like,
Speaker:how do you get better on camera?
Speaker:Be on camera.
Speaker:How do you get better at swimming in the water?
Speaker:You cannot get better at swimming in the chair.
Speaker:You cannot be better on camera not on camera.
Speaker:That's just the simplest answer, and that's going to irritate
Speaker:people because yes, it's painful at some point until it's not.
Speaker:Like I don't even think about it.
Speaker:Like my camera in my studio is on 24 7.
Speaker:When I sit down, I am automatically on camera because I never turn it off.
Speaker:It's just on, when I sit at my computer, I'm looking at the Ecamm
Speaker:program window and I'm there.
Speaker:So just leave it on.
Speaker:Let's work all day with it looking at you and you'll get over it.
Speaker:Always be recording.
Speaker:Plus when you need to make a short is gonna come to you.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:You mentioned that thing about like fixing mistakes or whatever.
Speaker:Check out Seth.
Speaker:Um, see, I just did it.
Speaker:Snl.
Speaker:Green.
Speaker:That's my only association.
Speaker:Myers.
Speaker:Myers.
Speaker:Myers.
Speaker:Myers.
Speaker:Myers, Mr.
Speaker:Meyer.
Speaker:Oh man.
Speaker:You know
Speaker:Seth Meyers does a weekly correction show where he goes and corrects
Speaker:all the things that he said wrong.
Speaker:The reason why he's going to say things wrong is cuz he's talking at a hundred
Speaker:miles an hour for the monologue.
Speaker:For the monologue.
Speaker:Monologue, oh my goodness.
Speaker:He's talking a hundred miles an hour for the monologue.
Speaker:And because of that, of course he's gonna accidentally say things wrong.
Speaker:And he started this correction show because the Lego community went nuts
Speaker:because he said Legos with an S, which is a no-no, never say Legos with an S.
Speaker:You will get hurt.
Speaker:They will plant them on your floor at night when you sleep.
Speaker:Please don't do that, that, that, that pisses us off, right?
Speaker:That's just the thing.
Speaker:From that, he got so much views out of the correction show.
Speaker:He does it every week now.
Speaker:So it gives you a way to make content.
Speaker:It gives you a short or something that you can do to make content.
Speaker:Hey, on my show I misquoted a fact.
Speaker:I wanna make sure that I cover it for you guys.
Speaker:This is the amount of penguins that there are in the state of Hawaii.
Speaker:I just wanted to let you know.
Speaker:Yes, we do have pink ones in Hawaii.
Speaker:They're not just for cold areas.
Speaker:Oh no, there's a couple hundred.
Speaker:I know, I know.
Speaker:But yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Pink ones are not just a frozen bird.
Speaker:Most people don't know that.
Speaker:But you know thing, so you can cover it and there's a good extra piece of content.
Speaker:You can make a newsletter article about it or whatever.
Speaker:So Katie, I hope this helps you.
Speaker:I know it's super helpful.
Speaker:Some people in the chat and.
Speaker:You could listen and learn more about the flow at flow dot Ecamm dot com.
Speaker:We are, as Doc says, where we're podcast.
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Speaker:You can scan this awesome QR code or again, go to flow dot Ecamm
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Speaker:You know, that was perfect, Katie.
Speaker:That was perfect.
Speaker:I wanna remind you guys, you can go play word association in Discord in
Speaker:the rec room, like it's, oh, please do.
Speaker:Come hang with me.
Speaker:Invite somebody to come into Discord and just practice in there.
Speaker:You guys can work with each other.
Speaker:You can do timing games, whatever.
Speaker:It will make you will all get better.
Speaker:Trust me on this.
Speaker:That game alone will make you much better at this, so I appreciate you guys.
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