The Flow: Episode 14 - What are PodSwaps & Why I Need Them?
The Flow: Episode 14 - What are PodSwaps & Why I Need Them? : The Flow: Episode 14 - What are PodSwaps & Why I Need Them?
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In this episode, Doc and Jared Spink of "The Hive Podcast" are talking all about Pod Swaps and why as podcasters, we should be doing them.
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Aloha and welcome to the Flow.
Speaker:I am your community manager, Doc Rock.
Speaker:And today I have a special guest.
Speaker:Mr.
Speaker:Jared Spink of the Hive podcast.
Speaker:What's up Jay?
Speaker:What up Doc, man, thanks for having me.
Speaker:I'm super excited to be your guest cohost.
Speaker:I am not Katie Fawkes for all you guys listening or watching.
Speaker:So, sorry to disappoint, but I am very excited to fill in for her.
Speaker:I, I got big shoes to fill.
Speaker:But you do play, you do play one on TV.
Speaker:So the reason why we brought Mr.
Speaker:J in today is cuz we wanted to talk a little bit about pod swaps.
Speaker:And I had mentioned this before in a couple of shows when I come back from
Speaker:Podcast Movement, it was one of the more popular topics during Podcast Movement.
Speaker:As I was watching things going down there and hearing people talk and going
Speaker:to different sessions, Rich Graham and I had a conversation about it because I
Speaker:believe Rich went to a session where they specifically talked about it and then
Speaker:when Rich came back and was talking to me about it, I was like, this is brilliant.
Speaker:Now, we'll cover a couple different sides of it, but it was kind of
Speaker:apropo when Katie was going off to the conference with Caleb and they're
Speaker:enjoying themselves in England.
Speaker:Knowing good and well, I would've wanted to go so I could slide
Speaker:into a Manchester United game.
Speaker:I'm not angry at all.
Speaker:Just joking.
Speaker:I was like, you know, I think I have the perfect person to fill in because
Speaker:randomly Katie and I were both back to back guests on the Hive podcast.
Speaker:Well, it wasn't really random.
Speaker:I might have planned that.
Speaker:I might have put some effort into making sure you guys were back to back.
Speaker:Well, it was random to us.
Speaker:The time that she leaves would be perfect.
Speaker:Right after she had her appearance on your show.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So it was kind of perfect, right?
Speaker:First of all, before we dive all the way in, Jared, I just wanna tell everybody
Speaker:a little bit about you, but I'll let you explain the podcast side of it.
Speaker:Jared is one of the coolest creators in the planet.
Speaker:I had the pleasure of meeting Jared through Tom and Heather, and then
Speaker:randomly I was listening to his podcast after hearing, you know,
Speaker:Tom and Heather talk about it.
Speaker:Tom was on.
Speaker:And then Gary, The Everyday Dad, was on, and then Gerald Dunn was on.
Speaker:I was like, Wait a minute, this guy just pulling all the heaters.
Speaker:Then he had some superstar lady named Diana Gladney and I was like,
Speaker:Oh man, this is really, really good.
Speaker:And I got a little email.
Speaker:I was like, Hey, would you mind coming onto my show?
Speaker:And I'm like, Me?
Speaker:What?
Speaker:All right, cool.
Speaker:Episode 51 or 53.
Speaker:Oh, oh, I finally forgot what it was.
Speaker:. Well, actually I've been on a couple times.
Speaker:But it's a really good podcast for the people who are listening
Speaker:who have fortunately never heard of Jared Spink, please tell
Speaker:them about the Hive Podcast, Mr.
Speaker:J.
Speaker:Yeah, man.
Speaker:So, thanks for the kind intro.
Speaker:This is always funny cuz I'm used to being on the side where I'm asking people to
Speaker:explain what they do and who they are.
Speaker:So yeah, I host, as Doc said, the The Hive podcast, which is a podcast
Speaker:all about creators and creativity and really the entrepreneurship that goes
Speaker:into creativity, the ups, the downs, the struggles, everything that just
Speaker:goes into being a creative these days.
Speaker:Because I feel like hearing those stories, especially the struggles and
Speaker:how people get through them, motivates anybody that's listening to keep creating,
Speaker:to keep doing what they're doing.
Speaker:And that's ultimately the whole goal of the podcast is to motivate anyone that
Speaker:listens to go out there and create.
Speaker:If they're in the, like, if they're deep in it and they've been creating for
Speaker:a while, we all have those struggles.
Speaker:We all have those ups and downs, and we need that motivation.
Speaker:And we all go through it.
Speaker:And so I hope hearing those stories helps you push through and to keep going.
Speaker:And that's, I mean, that's the gist of it, man.
Speaker:That's the whole goal, is to keep people motivated, to keep 'em creating and
Speaker:to make sure they know that they're not alone in the struggles they face.
Speaker:That is clutch.
Speaker:I think it's very important to let other people see the
Speaker:way we do it from the inside.
Speaker:I think that a lot of people, and this is something I can say to everyone
Speaker:who's listening in the audience and everybody in our live studio
Speaker:audience, and we are recording live.
Speaker:We have a live studio audience every Tuesday at 12:00 PM Eastern.
Speaker:You can find us on our Ecamm YouTube channel.
Speaker:I think a lot of people that I've worked with that have helped set up studios
Speaker:or coach or whatever, they get that.
Speaker:It is absolutely cool to have that kimono wide open now, and, and this is
Speaker:in the proverbial sense, please do not walk around in your Teenage Mutant Ninja
Speaker:Turtle skibees with your kimono wide open.
Speaker:Not in public at least.
Speaker:Not yet.
Speaker:Not in public at least, right?
Speaker:Not the, And you going do Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle skibees.
Speaker:I'm gonna go maybe Donatello, I'm just saying.
Speaker:Anyway, so I think that people should let more of their audience see that
Speaker:inside, that sort of behind the scenes.
Speaker:And your show is almost a behind the scenes, you're
Speaker:inside the mind of a Creator.
Speaker:And to me that is just absolutely fantastic.
Speaker:It is still one of my favorite shows and I love to hear that even the
Speaker:people that I think are above me.
Speaker:Kind of like run into the same roadblocks I run into, you know?
Speaker:So I think that part was great when you had Sean Cannell and Sean was
Speaker:just talking about, you know, his, his upcoming and sort of what he goes
Speaker:through, even as a quite seasoned pro.
Speaker:Like it was very interesting to hear that side of the conversation.
Speaker:So appreciate you for the work you do.
Speaker:Yeah, that's fun because as an interviewer, you ask these questions
Speaker:and you hope to get some insight into some of the behind the scenes.
Speaker:And you, you don't know what the response is gonna be.
Speaker:You don't know what, what people are gonna say.
Speaker:So you gotta be prepared for anything.
Speaker:And that was one I wasn't expecting, but I was super happy he shared it on the show.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I love that you say that as a interviewer.
Speaker:I have a surprise coming there for my people later today, but not on this show.
Speaker:That's on my show, You're gonna have to come over there and see what it's about.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I'll be there.
Speaker:So let's talk about pod swaps.
Speaker:Have you heard this term before?
Speaker:I heard about it when you started talking about it and when you mentioned it.
Speaker:I think I told you when you came on the show after you went to these conferences.
Speaker:It's an amazing idea.
Speaker:It's an amazing idea and it's a great way to support each other.
Speaker:And, you know, I talked about this at Leap Into Podcasting.
Speaker:As a podcaster, your number one question is like, how do I grow my podcast?
Speaker:You wanna be able to grow your podcast and it's difficult to do.
Speaker:And obviously the number one way to do that is through video.
Speaker:We talked about that, but Pod Swap is another great way.
Speaker:It's a fantastic, I would say it's like, you know, you got one A and
Speaker:then one B because pod swaps is huge.
Speaker:It's huge because you're lending, well, not lending, you're stealing somebody
Speaker:else's credibility from their audience.
Speaker:Essentially, you're borrowing it to help your show.
Speaker:And you're also, you know, giving your credibility with your
Speaker:audience to help them grow theirs.
Speaker:So it's, it's a great idea.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:It reminds me of sort of the peanut butter and the chocolate and
Speaker:the old Reese's Cup commercials.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:The two good things come together and then you end up with something
Speaker:really, really fantastic.
Speaker:So basically, for the people that are playing along at home,
Speaker:there's two types of pod swaps.
Speaker:One is what would be known as an episode swap.
Speaker:Actually, technically there's three.
Speaker:An episode swap would be like, I would go do a episode of the Hive podcast for
Speaker:Jared and Jared would go do an episode of Creator Fifty or the Flow for me.
Speaker:He's a little bit young for Creator Fifty, but we'll let him slide.
Speaker:I'm getting there, man.
Speaker:I'm getting there.
Speaker:Don't worry.
Speaker:The minute you say Doc, my knees hurt.
Speaker:I'm like, bet you can cover for me while I come on vacation.
Speaker:But I tend to go on vacation in San Diego, so I'll be with you anyway.
Speaker:So that is where you're basically like swapping studios, right?
Speaker:You can do this as live productions.
Speaker:You can do these as special episodes.
Speaker:You can do these as a trading spaces, like that old TV show that used to come on TLC.
Speaker:Another type of pod swap, which I believe is super advantageous, is to
Speaker:do an ad read for your friend's show.
Speaker:Now, I do this naturally because Jared's show is just super dope, and whenever
Speaker:I see Jared in the chat and if I'm on my live stream, I always tell people
Speaker:they should definitely go and check out the Hive Podcast because as creators,
Speaker:there's some insights that you're gonna get from listening to his show.
Speaker:It's very valuable to my audience.
Speaker:It's helpful to introduce my audience to Jared's show, but it's also helpful that
Speaker:my audience, I know they're in good hands.
Speaker:Like Jared's the freaking all statement, right?
Speaker:If I pass my people, I say, Rob, man, I know you're growing your Disney thing.
Speaker:I need you to go over and check out what Jared's talking about on this show.
Speaker:Rob goes there and he checks it out and goes, Oh man, this is great.
Speaker:And then one day Jared's like, you know what?
Speaker:I haven't had a Disney Creator on yet.
Speaker:They're some of the most psycho creators in the planet.
Speaker:Hey Rob, what are you doing?
Speaker:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker:So you got the episode swap and you got the advertiser swap, and then
Speaker:you got to host each other's show.
Speaker:So one day I would just go and I would be a guest host on Jared's show, just
Speaker:like Jared is a guest host today.
Speaker:That's the pod swap that we most recently did because like I stated in the
Speaker:pre-show, Katie and I both were guests on the Hive podcast releasing very soon.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And now Jared is a guest for us.
Speaker:Now.
Speaker:It's great that there's three different methods to it because I think the style
Speaker:of your show would kind of dictate what method you want to do, right?
Speaker:Because not each method will work for each style of style.
Speaker:Correct.
Speaker:Like, yeah, it'd be real funny to have you on as a guest for, let's say somebody
Speaker:who has a Go Get Em Girl podcast.
Speaker:Like this is not gonna match.
Speaker:Say, Hey, this is, uh, Jerissa Spink.
Speaker:But they might, but they might do like a quote unquote ad read for
Speaker:the Hive podcast, if they enjoy it, they send their audience over there.
Speaker:So that's where it would make sense to figure out which method
Speaker:works for your style of show.
Speaker:I think you bring up a key point.
Speaker:So what would be some of the considerations that you would
Speaker:have in order to say, do an ad read for someone's show?
Speaker:The considerations?
Speaker:I think it, what it comes down to is if you, if there is a show that you enjoy
Speaker:listening to, I think it's worth maybe reaching out and talking about doing
Speaker:like, I hate using the word ad read, but like an ad read for that person's
Speaker:show to send your audience over there because your audience probably has a
Speaker:lot of the same interests that you have.
Speaker:That's why they're listening to you most likely.
Speaker:And so if you're interested in a podcast, your audience might too, and they might
Speaker:actually, you might even build a stronger audience because you're giving them
Speaker:more valuable resources and tools for whatever it is because you're giving
Speaker:them a podcast they may not know of.
Speaker:And pod people that listen to podcasts are always looking for
Speaker:new and more podcasts to listen to, so they're gonna be grateful.
Speaker:I think I agree with you.
Speaker:I kind of, I don't like the terminology ad read so much either, so I was sorry.
Speaker:That's my old radio brain kicking in.
Speaker:Promo read.
Speaker:We can say promo.
Speaker:We're gonna call them promo swaps cuz then that's a good, or it's
Speaker:a promo read or a promo swap.
Speaker:That's where like, and I often do it as natural as possible, like, I'm often like
Speaker:gang, if you're, if you're a creator and you want to have some good insight on
Speaker:what goes on in the nugget of US creators, you really gotta be listening to the
Speaker:Hive Podcast by my buddy Jared Spink.
Speaker:First of all, Jared's a class act.
Speaker:He's a really good guy, but he brings on some of the top creators in the industry,
Speaker:people like Sean Cannell or the Everyday Dad or myself, and of course Miss Diana
Speaker:Gladney, you know, things like that.
Speaker:So you can talk it through like that, you know, tight T-shirt,
Speaker:Terry . So you can, uh, you can talk about it in that particular sense.
Speaker:And in that way it's like when I was in Dallas, Rich was like, Yo, I got this
Speaker:restaurant I want you to check out.
Speaker:And so Rich took us to go to Terry Black's barbecue and could nobody from the Ecamm
Speaker:family say nothing for like a half an hour solid cuz we were just feasting.
Speaker:It was literally one of the best experiences I ever had.
Speaker:So one hanging out with my homie, but taking them to a good restaurant.
Speaker:Introducing your friends to dope pods like that is not dissimilar
Speaker:from introducing your friends to your favorite restaurant or your
Speaker:favorite watering hole, if you will.
Speaker:So I think that last, last method is pretty dope.
Speaker:Now, I just know, and this is sidetrack for a second people,
Speaker:everybody playing along at home.
Speaker:This is why you should probably come to the live tapings.
Speaker:Speaking of my buddy Rich, I'm looking at the comments and Rich
Speaker:said, Let's introduce a fourth method.
Speaker:The fourth method, we're gonna call this the Graham Swap.
Speaker:After my Buddy Rich, record your own ad and send it out for others to play.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, that was my first thought when you mentioned,
Speaker:when you mentioned them, like when we first talked about this and
Speaker:you asked me to like send you over one, I thought you were asking for
Speaker:me to actually like record one.
Speaker:So I, I thought those, that's what they were, what Rich is saying.
Speaker:But that is a great method because you lend your voice and you're getting
Speaker:your voice out there to more people.
Speaker:And who's, who's better to explain your show than you?
Speaker:You know who does that really well is the New York Times Network
Speaker:and the uh, not Radiolab Network.
Speaker:What is that thing called?
Speaker:NPR.
Speaker:NPR.
Speaker:I was gonna say the Radiolab Network.
Speaker:Sorry.
Speaker:Ja Arod.
Speaker:Yeah, they do that really well.
Speaker:They will run ad reads from the host of a different show on a show.
Speaker:Be like, Hi, I'm Sean Criter, and this week on The Hidden Brain we're gonna talk
Speaker:about eating barbecue with Rich Graham.
Speaker:So I hope I did sh good cuz that was a really bad version of him.
Speaker:But that's a dope show by the way.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, that's a great way to do it.
Speaker:But ultimately, like you just gotta find the method that works for you because all
Speaker:you want to do is try to get your show in front of more people and someone else's
Speaker:audience and you want them to basically lend you their credibility, their
Speaker:audience for 15, 30 seconds so you can try to get more people over to your show.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And I, you know, I think the other thing that's good about the way that Rich
Speaker:mentions it, this, this gonna sound super corny, but I can do ad reads like a champ.
Speaker:Why?
Speaker:Because I was in radio for years.
Speaker:Like, it's just part of the game.
Speaker:I was listening to Uncle Ray, Ray Edwards podcast yesterday, and Chris, his son,
Speaker:reads incredible ads, but Chris also comes from radio, so sometimes you want to have,
Speaker:you know, someone read it for you because they're just really good at it, right?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:If you don't feel comfortable with reading it, but you have somebody
Speaker:dope in your community, I think like Rich has a fantastic voice.
Speaker:I could get Rich to read one.
Speaker:Rob has a really good voice.
Speaker:Luis is loud.
Speaker:You might not know.
Speaker:He talked quiet to us in backstage, but in reality, that dude's loud.
Speaker:So you can have, like, you can have Luis, do you a read or I'm like, Hey Luis, can
Speaker:you read this in Spanish for my group?
Speaker:This week on the Hive Podcast...
Speaker:I'm gonna, I'm gonna say there's a fifth one now, right?
Speaker:Is we can do a, we do a, we do a, a hybrid, right?
Speaker:Because I'd much rather say, Hey, you know what guys?
Speaker:If you wanna learn more about what it takes to develop a podcast,
Speaker:you really should listen to the Flow podcast put on by Ecamm.
Speaker:Katie and Doc, they're fantastic hosts and you learn a lot.
Speaker:Let's have them tell you a little bit more about the show.
Speaker:Doc, take it away and then like, bam, have you do it.
Speaker:So not only are you lending your voice and credibility to their show,
Speaker:and then you also, you know, get to introduce them to your audience.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:That's a good, that's a good sandwich read.
Speaker:We used to call those sandwich reads in the radio where you
Speaker:know, you would start it.
Speaker:I would put in the part that comes from the ad agency and then you'd close the
Speaker:end and it makes a nice sandwich read.
Speaker:I think that shows like Smartless, which is one of my favorites right now,
Speaker:and they do that really, really well.
Speaker:So, man, you guys are getting all the heaters today from Mr.
Speaker:J.
Speaker:Rad because that is another fantastic way to do it.
Speaker:You could also use these for IG Reels, you know, when you're doing your promotion or
Speaker:you can use them for, you know, some other shorts where that is sort of effective.
Speaker:I wouldn't necessarily do it say on YouTube unless there's a point.
Speaker:People come to YouTube looking for answers and commercials not
Speaker:really an answer, but you might be able to get away with it in IG or
Speaker:LinkedIn or something of that nature.
Speaker:But I gotta stress moderation, right?
Speaker:Moderation and anything, just like editing.
Speaker:Just anything moderation, right?
Speaker:Because you don't wanna bombard your audience, right?
Speaker:And you don't wanna seem like you're selling out your credibility to every
Speaker:single show that you listen to or that wants to get in front of your audience.
Speaker:So moderation, definitely.
Speaker:Very much so.
Speaker:You know, I get requests from time to dime to be on shows, and I
Speaker:actually kind of like to do a dive on their show first to see how it is.
Speaker:I have been a guest on shows and in the middle of it, I'm like, Why did I do
Speaker:this ? And it's not, I know people gotta try and everybody's getting in where
Speaker:they start and so I don't know why they would think this, but maybe somebody
Speaker:thought, Oh, if I get doctor come on the show, like it might gimme a little boost.
Speaker:That is possible.
Speaker:But what you don't wanna happen is like, I don't want to have.
Speaker:Let's say Darrell Eves or Mr.
Speaker:Beast on my podcast, so I can have one episode that rips.
Speaker:I'd rather have the slow climb up the mountain growth and eventually
Speaker:get to the destination like how you tried to get me lost in San Diego.
Speaker:I didn't get you lost in, I took you everywhere, man.
Speaker:It was, it was the Uber driver's fault.
Speaker:It wasn't your fault.
Speaker:I would just go ahead and say, I let you off the hook.
Speaker:But yeah, I, I think you have to be real careful of getting like, or
Speaker:wanting that one big, you know, fish if you will, because you're, you're
Speaker:not gonna be able to sustain the audience if you're not ready for it.
Speaker:So definitely put some thought into it before you do this.
Speaker:How say you?
Speaker:I agree.
Speaker:You gotta put some thought into it.
Speaker:Um, just like you put effort and thought into your show, you wanna do the same
Speaker:thing with what you, you know, put on the show and what you promote on the show.
Speaker:Definitely.
Speaker:All right.
Speaker:So I got one more question for you, and this one's a good one, I think.
Speaker:Who is somebody that you would love to interview that
Speaker:you haven't interviewed yet?
Speaker:Ooh, that's a good question, man.
Speaker:I always have a running list.
Speaker:I.
Speaker:Let's see.
Speaker:I'm gonna answer that a different way, right?
Speaker:Because I don't want to spoil any future possible guests, right?
Speaker:Because I like them to be surprises, right?
Speaker:Always thinking like a true podcaster.
Speaker:I will say there is somebody that I am working to get back on the show.
Speaker:That was, I got so much positive feedback on this episode, and this
Speaker:episode probably changed the way I approached my interviews a little bit.
Speaker:It made me way more comfortable with the show.
Speaker:It was a real turning point for me as the host of the show.
Speaker:I have a guess.
Speaker:Who?
Speaker:Pat Flynn?
Speaker:No, no, no, no.
Speaker:Cause that was one of my favorite episodes.
Speaker:No, no.
Speaker:It was, it was.
Speaker:And you know, some of the people here might not know if you're not like
Speaker:following like the filmmaking niche on YouTube, but, uh, Danny Goertz, So Danny
Speaker:came on the show almost two years ago.
Speaker:It was a fantastic episode.
Speaker:That show still is probably the, is the top performing episode of the entire show,
Speaker:right out of 98 episodes that are now up, that one's still the best performing
Speaker:one and continues to get listens, even though it was from two years ago.
Speaker:And I'm working to get him back on the show.
Speaker:That's a trend I've been doing is having repeat guests come back on
Speaker:because our journey as creatives over the last two years has changed so much.
Speaker:People have gone away and come back.
Speaker:We've gone through so much over the last two years, so having people back
Speaker:on hearing about what's changed, I mean, Danny's now making a full on movie.
Speaker:His channel was, was small when he was on, and now he's over a
Speaker:hundred thousand subscribers.
Speaker:He's gone on trips with Maddie Hapoia.
Speaker:He's done all these amazing collaborations, so getting
Speaker:him back on is gonna be great.
Speaker:Talking about how that growth has affected him and how it's changed his creativity.
Speaker:So that's, that's one I'm having back on.
Speaker:Soon, hopefully.
Speaker:You know what's really funny?
Speaker:He just got married, so I'm kind of working with that, too.
Speaker:During the rise and shine of certain podcast.
Speaker:Sorry, certain creators, everybody was all about Peter.
Speaker:And then when Peter and Matt started working together, I resonate with Mattie
Speaker:more cuz he's more of a goofball like me.
Speaker:And I mean, talented is all good, but I as like his style better.
Speaker:And Mattie laughs at himself constantly and so do I.
Speaker:So I actually think if I were to hang out with them, I'd probably be more apt
Speaker:to hang out with Mattie, then Peter.
Speaker:Even though most of us shooters, they just love themselves, or Peter
Speaker:McKenna, I just think Mattie's a much funnier person and even better
Speaker:than that, , his brother is the best.
Speaker:Depa is freaking super funny and doesn't know it.
Speaker:But he's just super hilarious there.
Speaker:I think maybe it's just something super genuine about Icelandic
Speaker:people, because it's cold.
Speaker:So you gotta be nice to people so that when you stand next to
Speaker:them, you can absorb some warmth.
Speaker:But they're just super, super great guys.
Speaker:I really would love to kick it with them.
Speaker:So I, I think that's a good call on the episode because I think it would be very
Speaker:interesting for your audience to see Yeah, how things have changed and what is it,
Speaker:what is the growth, like, what's the same.
Speaker:I think everyone wants to know what's changed.
Speaker:I think another thing is what's the same, because you, there's assumptions, right?
Speaker:People are gonna have assumptions that a lot of things have changed.
Speaker:But like for us, one thing that never changes.
Speaker:White balance.
Speaker:You must white balance some stuff.
Speaker:I don't care how good the tech, yet, the tech still ain't caught
Speaker:up with a good, you know, x right color checker still has it.
Speaker:I keep hoping for it, but nope.
Speaker:Still gotta have it.
Speaker:All right, so before we go to q and a, I would like to ask a good question.
Speaker:What is something about podcasting in general that you feel
Speaker:enough people aren't asking?
Speaker:Ooh, enough people aren't asking.
Speaker:I think.
Speaker:I think too many people are asking about what gear they need.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And that's not the most important thing, just get the basics to
Speaker:get started because, the gear will come, you're gonna upgrade,
Speaker:you're gonna find different stuff.
Speaker:I mean, I've used four different microphones in the last almost
Speaker:three years that I've been doing the show, cuz you find the one that you
Speaker:like and until you find another one that you like Right, you move on.
Speaker:But I, I think enough people aren't asking.
Speaker:Um, man, that's such a good question.
Speaker:What aren't people asking?
Speaker:Cuz there are so many questions related to podcast.
Speaker:And I keep thinking of what people are focusing on and they're
Speaker:focusing on how to grow, which is important, how to make money.
Speaker:I guess that's important, you know, depending on, on your goals and what
Speaker:you need, uh, the gear, like, okay, that's all mediocre stuff, but how
Speaker:do you, how do you, I think enough people aren't, I think people aren't
Speaker:asking, How do you stay consistent?
Speaker:How do you keep going?
Speaker:I mean, that's been my biggest struggle since I started the podcast.
Speaker:I thought I'd be at a hundred episodes way before now.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:But life gets in the way.
Speaker:Work gets in the way.
Speaker:Stuff gets in the way.
Speaker:So how do you bounce back and keep going when you have those
Speaker:low moments and those down moments that make it tough to get back to
Speaker:scheduling an episode to hit record?
Speaker:I mean, hit and record is probably the hardest thing to do.
Speaker:It really is.
Speaker:And there's so many things that can get in the way.
Speaker:And so how do you stay motivated?
Speaker:Even when you know you have plenty of reasons not to be motivated.
Speaker:I think that's an important question.
Speaker:There you go.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So normally I like to save the q and a for the q and a in order to
Speaker:give a little bit of bonus to the people that come for the live taping.
Speaker:So just a reminder, we do the live taping every Tuesday at 12:00 PM Eastern.
Speaker:But Julie just asked a really fantastic question, so I'm gonna actually pull
Speaker:one from the live studio audience.
Speaker:See, that's why you gotta watch live, guys.
Speaker:Come on.
Speaker:You gotta come to the live show, right?
Speaker:I, I think live taping is one of the dopest things
Speaker:anybody can do as a podcaster.
Speaker:And here's a, here's a question from Julie.
Speaker:I'm going to attempt to read this out good.
Speaker:It says, What are your thoughts on taking a break from your show?
Speaker:I'm gonna break now after three years of weekly shows.
Speaker:I need the break, but nervous about listeners not sticking around.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I'm gonna let you answer that first J and then I'll give my answer.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So she's not on a three year break, she's just taking a break, but she's
Speaker:been going for three years, I think.
Speaker:Is, is if I'm understanding that right.
Speaker:Um, breaks are important.
Speaker:You absolutely have to do them.
Speaker:And if anything, I think that makes your audience a little bit more, um,
Speaker:I don't wanna say faithful, but like committed to the show because I'm
Speaker:gonna assume that you watch tv, right?
Speaker:Cause all of us watch tv.
Speaker:Do you have a show that you like watching And what happens when, like,
Speaker:the season's over and they take a break?
Speaker:You look forward.
Speaker:You, you anticipate, you're excited to see what's coming for the next season.
Speaker:For the new episode.
Speaker:You're excited about it.
Speaker:And I think that taking a break builds more excitement around the show.
Speaker:So people aren't taking it for granted.
Speaker:I think after you do it for weeks and weeks and weeks, people start
Speaker:to take it for granted and it's not, so when there's not a new episode,
Speaker:they're like, Wait, wait, where is it?
Speaker:I don't think they, they forget how important it is to them.
Speaker:So it builds commitment to the show.
Speaker:I think taking a break's important, um, and most important, and I've
Speaker:learned this from making the mistake, just keep your audience informed.
Speaker:Like, Hey, we're gonna take a little bit of a break.
Speaker:I need to recoup.
Speaker:We're going to, you know, plan some future episodes.
Speaker:We've got some exciting things in store for you, so we're
Speaker:gonna take a quick break.
Speaker:But if you enjoy the show, don't worry.
Speaker:It's not going anywhere.
Speaker:Go back and listen to some of your favorite episodes.
Speaker:These are mine.
Speaker:Go check 'em out.
Speaker:You know, so you, you can still keep that audience listening.
Speaker:Um, but you know, it's just, it's the nature of things with podcasts.
Speaker:It's, it's an up and down slope.
Speaker:So I think taking a break's important.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:I don't think it's going to affect your audience.
Speaker:I've actually seen more growth on my show when I come back from a break.
Speaker:I see more downloads and more listens when I've come back.
Speaker:So take that for what it's worth.
Speaker:I bet.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's.
Speaker:That's a fact.
Speaker:I think two good strategies on breaks are mail bag episodes, right?
Speaker:Cause you can record them in chunks on the way, or you can just sit down one
Speaker:Sunday and just go through a bunch of questions that you get from the chat.
Speaker:Like this here or from your email or from Twitter or wherever
Speaker:you collect questions, right?
Speaker:For us, it'd be like Discord or the Volley do a back episode.
Speaker:I also think another fantastic hitter, and this is something that Roy just
Speaker:mentioned in the chat as well is to do a best of episode or compilation.
Speaker:Sometimes you have a hitter, right?
Speaker:So something comes up next week and Jared needs a break.
Speaker:Jared can say, you know, I wanna play back for you what has been
Speaker:probably my favorite episode.
Speaker:Now, wifey and I are gonna go to Hawaii and I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker:put out an episode this week, but I wanted to bring it back in case you're
Speaker:new to the show and you miss this, or even if you listen to it in the past.
Speaker:To me, this is my favorite episode, so I'm gonna put this up for a rebroadcast.
Speaker:When I return from the islands, I will be back again and here's the next guest
Speaker:up on deck, and then play the Danny episode or play the Doc Rock episodes.
Speaker:See, those are all great ideas.
Speaker:Um, but I still go back to like, there's nothing wrong with not
Speaker:having a new episode up every week.
Speaker:Oh, a hundred percent.
Speaker:That's, that's totally self-imposed on us because, Our thoughts on YouTube, right?
Speaker:Because if you don't put a new episode up every week on YouTube,
Speaker:yes, that does hurt your channel.
Speaker:It really can.
Speaker:But podcasts are totally different cuz there is no algorithm ranking.
Speaker:These really, I mean there is, but for most of our shows
Speaker:it's not gonna affect us.
Speaker:Well you remember at Leap, right?
Speaker:The conversation was seasons seasons seasons, like everybody
Speaker:was all about the seasons.
Speaker:I personally don't do seasons because I will lose track of it, but yeah, do
Speaker:seasons like Tom, Tom is really good.
Speaker:Tom Buck, The Enthusiasm podcast is really good with these 10 episode
Speaker:seasons and then Tom goes to play with the dog for two months.
Speaker:They come back
Speaker:and, and do you know what it does?
Speaker:It makes the audience more loyal to the show because they look forward to it.
Speaker:They're like, they're bummed when it's over and they look
Speaker:forward to when it's back.
Speaker:I know this because I'm one of them.
Speaker:Me too.
Speaker:It's, uh, you know, and I will also say this too, Julie, my Red
Speaker:Sox are taking a break until April because we gotta find pitchers.
Speaker:So, you know, I was about to become a Padres fan, but they just as bad.
Speaker:Hey man.
Speaker:Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker:We pulled it, we pulled it together.
Speaker:We beat the Dodgers and so that's all I care about.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Whether you like it or not, it happens and everything.
Speaker:If it was up to me, cherries would be 24 7, but they are much better
Speaker:when fresh season, not these, you know, aqua things or been frozen
Speaker:things or something like that.
Speaker:And so we're used to it with TV shows.
Speaker:We're used to it with fruits.
Speaker:Uh, man, Game of Thrones will put us on pause for two and a half years and then
Speaker:it'll come up with a hitter like Hot D.
Speaker:Hot D is actually amazing.
Speaker:House of the Dragon.
Speaker:I think the fear of not wanting to take a break.
Speaker:It's a bigger content creation issue in the grand scheme of things because
Speaker:we've gotten this mind frame that if we're not creating, we're not growing.
Speaker:But that's just not true.
Speaker:It's just not true, especially when it comes to podcasts.
Speaker:So absolutely, it's okay to take a break, but the most important thing I think is.
Speaker:You gotta just as your show evolves, keep your audience informed and
Speaker:keep 'em a part of the process.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:And they're gonna appreciate that.
Speaker:A hundred percent.
Speaker:If you tell your audience, you know, here's a funny thing
Speaker:that I think people forget.
Speaker:Uh, do you know when you grow as a human, when you're resting, it's the
Speaker:reason why kids between the age of 12 and 15 are so hard to wake up,
Speaker:and why didn't they sleep so long?
Speaker:Because they're growing like, like a weed, as grandpa used to say, Grandpa didn't
Speaker:know about my growing, Nevermind anyway.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So you know, Doc, like it's true.
Speaker:I really have seen more growth in the show when I've come back
Speaker:from a break and, and you got that energy, that fire, like right?
Speaker:And you're gonna have peaks and valleys.
Speaker:I mean, when you look, if you go look at your podcast analytics, Of
Speaker:course you're gonna have a spike when a new episode releases, of course,
Speaker:because there's auto downloads.
Speaker:People listen the day it comes out, and then it trails off because then
Speaker:you get the people that listen during different times and everything.
Speaker:But that's just the nature of podcasting.
Speaker:It's never going to be a steady like upline graph where
Speaker:it's just goes up nonstop.
Speaker:It's all peaks and valleys.
Speaker:But the important thing is those peaks and valleys slowly go up over time,
Speaker:those downs aren't as bad as they are when you first start, and those ups go a
Speaker:lot higher than when you first started.
Speaker:I mean, I look at my graph and it's, it's like that nonstop.
Speaker:But it continues to go higher overall.
Speaker:So don't be afraid taking a break
Speaker:and to run it back to this team.
Speaker:You can always do pod swaps while you take a break.
Speaker:you can have, you can have people come in and fill in for you while you're gone.
Speaker:This is one of the benefits of having little pod swap
Speaker:network type situation set up.
Speaker:It might even not be that they come and run your show.
Speaker:You can play an episode of their show on your feed.
Speaker:I've actually seen that done before too.
Speaker:So I guess that kind of makes it a fifth way to do a pod swap.
Speaker:I already, I already came out with a fifth way.
Speaker:That's a six way.
Speaker:Oh yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:See man, by the time we're done, Jared and I are gonna need
Speaker:a whole course on pod swaps.
Speaker:So gang.
Speaker:Mr.
Speaker:J, tell the folks how to get ahold of some Hive action.
Speaker:Cause to me, it's one of my favorite listens.
Speaker:And I think what it is I've had the experience of listening to you grow as a
Speaker:podcaster over the last year and a half.
Speaker:Ah, thanks man.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So you can, you can go follow me at Jared Spink on Instagram or Twitter.
Speaker:You can go check out the show at the Hive Underscore Podcast on Instagram.
Speaker:Or just go to the Hive Podcast on your favorite podcast listener of choice.
Speaker:But there's also a video version of course, because
Speaker:we're all about video here.
Speaker:So you can go check out the video version of the podcast on my YouTube channel.
Speaker:My channel's name is Jared Spink.
Speaker:It's just me.
Speaker:Go check it out.
Speaker:We're almost at 3000 followers or subscribers on YouTube.
Speaker:We're like seven away as of this morning.
Speaker:So if you guys haven't subscribed, go subscribe.
Speaker:Hit me a hit a thousand, uh, 3000 today.
Speaker:That would be great.
Speaker:That would be dope.
Speaker:And if you do that, if you do that, you're gonna be able to see the live recording
Speaker:of the Hive podcast, which will be our hundredth episode tentatively scheduled.
Speaker:Tentatively for the 16th of this month.
Speaker:So exciting.
Speaker:Oh dude, that is dope.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Yeah, right.
Speaker:Let's go.
Speaker:Let's go get Jay over the hump for that hundee.
Speaker:And then let's all show up for the hundred and let's just Ecamm fam swarm his Hive.
Speaker:We'll bring our bees over to his, We'll just go over there and just take over.
Speaker:We're gonna do the Hive podcast take over with the flow riders, right?
Speaker:We'll show up on our bikes with the tassels on the side.
Speaker:Well, somebody is coming, someone is coming to take over the show
Speaker:that episode, it'll be me as the guest and a special guest host.
Speaker:Be fun.
Speaker:Diana Gladney always teases that when her and India opened up the
Speaker:floodgates on my Let's Get Live community, they were like, We got our
Speaker:bikes and we rode over to Doc's house.
Speaker:We seen all these bikes in the parking lot at Doc's house, and we just
Speaker:went over there and so they brought all these people to the yard, . So
Speaker:yeah, we were gonna all get our.
Speaker:What is it?
Speaker:PF flyer was a wagon, the huffy.
Speaker:You wanna have a little huffy with castles on it and ride
Speaker:over to Jay's house like Sandlot
Speaker:Okay guys, thank you so much.
Speaker:Flow Riders.
Speaker:Thank you for coming to the live taping.
Speaker:Thank you, uh, Julie, Roy and Rich for allowing me to like, use you guys
Speaker:as, as examples during this show.
Speaker:If you yourself want to become a part of the live studio audience, not really
Speaker:a studio, it's virtual, make sure you are on YouTube every Tuesday, 12:00
Speaker:PM Eastern, over on the Ecamm channel.
Speaker:You can find the podcast at flow dot Ecamm dot com.
Speaker:Of course, you can reach out to us.
Speaker:Questions, comments, feedback.
Speaker:Wanna be a guest?
Speaker:Wanna find a particular guest?
Speaker:You can hit that all up over on flow at Ecamm dot com or jump onto the Volley.
Speaker:On the Volley is one of my favorite new apps.
Speaker:You can do it with your phone, you can do it with your computer.
Speaker:You can leave a question via a video.
Speaker:You could leave a question by text or just audio.
Speaker:It's a really fantastic way for you to engage with your audience.
Speaker:So big ups over to the squad at Volley that, that's a rap man.
Speaker:We did another fantastic show, but you know, we could not do
Speaker:this show without two things.
Speaker:One Flow Riders cuz you guys just absolutely rock.
Speaker:You make it easy to sit down and have a conversation with my
Speaker:buddy Jay and talk about the Hive podcast and pod swaps and all.
Speaker:Cuz I feel like, you know, we were chilling at a taco stand
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Speaker:It's amazing.
Speaker:I don't know why they named it that.
Speaker:It's just amazing.
Speaker:I thought this can't be good.
Speaker:Who would name someplace something this danged stupid?
Speaker:Oh my goodness.
Speaker:Yeah, it's amazing.
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