The Flow: Episode 124 - Podcasting Q&A with Katie & Nat | The Flow

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<v Doc>Aloha Flowriders and Merry New Year.

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<v Katie>Merry New Year to you all.

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<v Doc>What's happening, Case?

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<v Katie>Not much. I'm so excited to be here in 2026 with everyone. It's going to be

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<v Katie>a good year. It's going to be a really great year.

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<v Doc>You know what's funny is I didn't feel as wound up for 2026.

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<v Doc>Not because I'm not ready, but like I started in November.

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<v Doc>Yeah, same. In our group, like, Marianne, I know she's in the chat.

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<v Doc>Like, we were talking about this for a week. Like, we wanted to come in running.

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<v Doc>And so when it flipped, I'm like, all right, cool.

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<v Doc>Like, you know, nothing really changed. Also, I think it was different because

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<v Doc>I wasn't, you know, at home.

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<v Doc>So, you know, there's not all of the crazy fireworks and all of the weirdness that goes on here.

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<v Doc>What everybody does in Japan is wake up for the first sunrise.

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<v Doc>And then you go to Hatsumote, which is you go to Temple on the first day.

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<v Doc>And you know you just do your and it's not like you know here like you go to

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<v Doc>church you sit there and listen to somebody talk to you for six hours you go

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<v Doc>there in your own accord and you do your own prayer to the own you know the temple and you

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<v Doc>Yeah, you ring the bell to shake off the noise and you leave an offering for

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<v Doc>any family members and you leave.

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<v Doc>So like, you know, morning temple visit could last you all of 20 minutes versus,

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<v Doc>you know, my Catholic version, which used to be 20 hours.

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<v Doc>And yeah, it's just different. So you spend a lot more time on New Year's with

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<v Doc>your actual family. And yeah, it was really, really cool. So I'm happy to be back. It was cool.

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<v Doc>Standing there in the freezing cold first thing in the morning,

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<v Doc>though, that's a different story.

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<v Katie>You don't get to talk about freezing cold. It's like 20 degrees here right now.

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<v Katie>And not 20 Celsius for all our Canadian and European friends.

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<v Doc>Oh, 20 F.

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<v Katie>20 F, yeah. It's 20 freezing in Boston.

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<v Doc>What the freaking Fahrenheit? Jesus. Oh, that's crazy. What the freaking Fahrenheit?

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<v Doc>What are we talking about today, Cates? I'm excited.

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<v Katie>Well, we are diving back into a new season of The Flow. and we thought what

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<v Katie>better way to dive in than to talk through our podcast predictions for 2026,

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<v Katie>as well as kind of what the state of podcasting is right now.

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<v Katie>So if you're hanging out with us live here in the studio chat,

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<v Katie>we'd love for you to drop in what your predictions are for this year,

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<v Katie>what you're really excited about in the world of podcasting and video podcasting.

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<v Katie>So feel free to throw those into the comments. We'd love to hear from you.

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<v Katie>But yeah, we're gonna be diving into our predictions, which as you know,

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<v Katie>Doc is like a little bit magical.

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<v Katie>He always has like the actual predictions and they always come true.

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<v Katie>So, you know, we need, you know, maybe this year, Doc, is the year that we actually

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<v Katie>make Flowrider Doc is Right t-shirts or Doc was right. Doc is right. Doc was right.

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<v Katie>Maybe it's a little bit of both. I try.

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<v Doc>I try. Well, the thing is, I think most of my predictions are relatively safe

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<v Doc>because I do believe in paying attention to the industry as a whole. I think so many people

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<v Doc>uh for whatever reason they want to do a podcast they

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<v Doc>want the podcast to be successful and they go

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<v Doc>out they get the mic they get the lights they get the camera they produce their

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<v Doc>show and then they don't know why it's not working but that's because they haven't

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<v Doc>really looked into what's going on in the industry and so even to this day and

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<v Doc>you know full well we go to conferences where my audio only friends are still

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<v Doc>fighting that fight and i appreciate y'all Y'all can fight your butts until your heart's content,

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<v Doc>but you lost, dog. Like, I don't care how you like it. You lost.

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<v Doc>Nobody gives a rat's think about

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<v Doc>RSS except those of us who used to make them by hand back in the day.

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<v Doc>Like, the average person don't know what that is.

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<v Doc>And I would say technically sound, and this might be a reach,

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<v Doc>but I look at somebody like your other half, who is a brilliant individual,

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<v Doc>who's an engineer. He's super smart.

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<v Doc>And I'm like, yo, what's the RSS feed? He may be like, I don't know what the

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<v Doc>heck they got to do with me.

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<v Doc>Right. But he knows how to do all myriad sorts of things, like in building credible

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<v Doc>furniture, like make robots, like the whole nine yards.

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<v Doc>But the RSS feed is not important to what he needs in order to get his daily task done.

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<v Doc>Right. I mean, if you like a show, you put it on your phone.

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<v Doc>It shows up in your phone. That's it.

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<v Doc>Right. And then now we got YouTube and so many people are watching from the television.

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<v Doc>Yo, the algo will make sure you see when the new versions come out.

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<v Doc>If you are watching them at the clip that you say you watch them,

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<v Doc>because the other thing that people do with RSS feeds, which is why I'm so glad

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<v Doc>that they're kind of going away, is you subscribe to something that you think

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<v Doc>you're going to listen to,

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<v Doc>and you get through about two episodes, and then you skip one,

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<v Doc>and then your phone just downloads, downloads, downloads, downloads,

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<v Doc>and one day you go back to your podcast app, and you've got 30 episodes to listen to.

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<v Doc>So you weren't really subscribed per se or following.

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<v Doc>They even changed the name because subscribing just seems weird, right?

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<v Doc>But like strange things, oh, you'll sit down and watch eight hours of that in a row.

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<v Katie>Yeah, it is interesting kind of how we consume content now.

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<v Katie>And actually one of our, so I should say one of our first, one of our first

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<v Katie>trends really is that podcasting is becoming much more show-like.

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<v Katie>So everything that you said is absolutely relevant to this prediction.

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<v Katie>We are consuming podcasts more like we are consuming shows.

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<v Katie>So there are certainly, there's parts of us, some of us who are consuming it

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<v Katie>in a binge format, right?

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<v Katie>Like we're like, all right, I'm going to fly through this entire,

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<v Katie>you know, this entire show. I'm just going to go episode after episode after episode.

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<v Katie>And then there are some of us who are like joining a community,

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<v Katie>a group, you know, we're becoming flow writers.

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<v Katie>We're all in and we're showing up consistently time and time again,

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<v Katie>where our podcast friends and our podcast community is.

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<v Katie>Some of us who are doing both, we're, you know, listening to podcasts when we're

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<v Katie>out, you know, driving around or walking the dog or doing chores.

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<v Katie>And then we're throwing it up onto the TV when we're home in the evening.

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<v Katie>It's sort of becoming more show-like, but also more of part of our everyday

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<v Katie>lives and the ability to consume it when we want, how we want.

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<v Katie>Where we want, and to switch between the different platforms and spaces and places really easily.

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<v Katie>And as you were saying, YouTube is best in class at this and really is owning

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<v Katie>that space of you as the listener,

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<v Katie>as the viewer, as the podcast community member, you decide where you want to consume your content,

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<v Katie>when you want to consume your content, how you want to consume it.

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<v Katie>But it is, I think, a lot more...

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<v Katie>Like a show. And one of the things I have bulleted here,

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<v Katie>so I make sure that I don't forget to say it, is that it really,

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<v Katie>really, really is coming down to those who are consistent and who are showing

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<v Katie>up with something to say and who are doing it on a regular,

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<v Katie>consistent basis will continue to win because it really, really matters way

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<v Katie>more about being consistent in the way that you're delivering your show to people

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<v Katie>than being novel, being super innovative,

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<v Katie>being like geeking out over kind of all of the different ways to do it because

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<v Katie>people are going to seek out your content and people are going to want to consume

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<v Katie>it in the way that they want to consume it. So you need to be there consistently.

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<v Katie>You need to have a regular schedule. It can be whatever your schedule wants

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<v Katie>to be, but you really, really need to get consistent with it.

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<v Katie>Stop saying you're going to do it and just start doing it consistently.

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<v Doc>Well, let's cover something really quick because you brought it up and I want

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<v Doc>to make sure that everybody is hearing you because they don't hear me.

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<v Doc>I've been saying it forever. So maybe y'all listen to Katie.

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<v Doc>The consummate over thinkers, the consummate, I need this to twirl and dance

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<v Doc>and do all kinds of weird stuff. I need you to stop.

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<v Doc>I need you to stop. I need you to stop. I need you to stop. We're E-Camp.

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<v Doc>So our software can do all of the things that you want to twirl around.

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<v Doc>But you don't need to. So I'm going to go through the list of the top five. Okay.

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<v Doc>Joe Rogan is still number one. In second place, Stephen Bartlett with Diary of a CEO.

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<v Doc>And then third place, Mel Robbins Podcast.

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<v Doc>And then after that is Crime Junkie and The Daily.

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<v Doc>Okay. So covering the first three as video podcasts, the Joe Rogan experience

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<v Doc>has always been a dude sitting at a table with another dude.

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<v Doc>Dude, mostly, because he runs the Dinger Sphere.

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<v Katie>It's an interview show, right? Like, yeah.

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<v Doc>Yeah, but it's a single camera looking down the pipe at both,

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<v Doc>and a camera looking at Joe, and a camera looking at the host.

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<v Doc>Okay? So it's three cameras set up, and all of the shots are talking head,

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<v Doc>talking head, talking head.

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<v Doc>There's not much. Now, I haven't watched it in three years because I can't stand

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<v Doc>it, but we'll skip that one and just go over to.

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<v Doc>We'll go to Diary of a CEO. We'll go to Mel Robbins.

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<v Doc>Diary of a CEO, Steve's at the table, you see Steve's face, right?

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<v Doc>Somebody else is on the opposite end of the table, you see their face,

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<v Doc>and then you see the long shot of the table.

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<v Doc>There's no moving backgrounds. There's no overlays. There's no lower thirds.

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<v Doc>There's no upper thirds. There's no anything.

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<v Doc>It is shot, shot, shot conversation.

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<v Doc>Right. That is it. But everybody who is trying to be a beginning podcaster goes

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<v Doc>out and they're like, well, I need a special scene for this. I need a special.

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<v Doc>No, you don't stop it. You're making your job hard. And it's the reason why

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<v Doc>you can't get your show out.

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<v Doc>Nobody needs to see all of that twirly stuff because they're not watching it like that.

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<v Doc>Right. That twirly stuff is for ESPN, but we're not doing ESPN. We're doing a podcast.

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<v Doc>And all we're doing in the video format is adding faces and bodies to the conversation.

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<v Doc>So if you look at the number one, number two podcast, number three podcast,

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<v Doc>it is really two people sitting at a table.

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<v Doc>And a shot of each of them and then the table. Now, you don't have three cameras.

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<v Doc>Cool. Both of y'all sit at a single table.

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<v Doc>And then use the cropping feature in Ecamm to go face, face wide.

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<v Doc>So you and Jill on the couch yesterday.

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<v Doc>That's the show. that is the show that everybody is making and if the show that

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<v Doc>gets 35 million downloads a week why do you need to twirl anything

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<v Katie>Yeah ask yourself do you know what else is actually really interesting in what

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<v Katie>you just said there so um so you mentioned my other half a few minutes ago dane

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<v Katie>who is hilariously if you asked him if he listens or or consumes any podcasts he would say, no,

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<v Katie>he's not a podcast person, but he doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't do podcasts,

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<v Katie>right? Like he doesn't do podcasts the way that I do.

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<v Katie>I'm constantly like seeking out the podcasts that I love, listening to them,

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<v Katie>watching them, like spending time with my podcast people. Right.

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<v Katie>But Dane could tell you almost every single episode of Diary of a CEO,

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<v Katie>because that's a show he watches, right?

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<v Katie>But Diary of a CEO, so he would not consider that in his mind to be a podcast, but it is a podcast.

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<v Katie>And honestly, it doesn't even matter because it still has-

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<v Katie>It still has the audience, right? It still has, it has the ratings.

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<v Katie>It has, whether or not people are watching clips of it, they're reading quotes from it.

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<v Katie>They're listening to the entire episode on a podcast player.

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<v Katie>They're watching it in little chunks on, on YouTube, on their TV,

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<v Katie>or they're binge watching an entire, you know, group of episodes over some period of time.

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<v Katie>All of those people are all connected in our community of that show.

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<v Katie>And I really think, again, we're going to continue to see that this year.

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<v Katie>It's going to continue to expand in that we will all, ideally,

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<v Katie>everyone that is connected with this show, will have a show or multiple shows

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<v Katie>of some kind that will be really similar to what we have in our head as a definition of a show.

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<v Katie>So the words aren't going to matter as much as it seems like they do.

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<v Katie>So I think we're caught up, and I get it.

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<v Katie>I'm an English lit major, so believe me. I get it. We're caught up in the semantics

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<v Katie>of the word itself, right?

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<v Katie>We're like, well, a podcast has to check these boxes, has to be this thing,

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<v Katie>has to RSS feed, has to be blah, blah, blah, has all these things.

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<v Katie>I think we're now seeing a movement where we can free ourselves of that.

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<v Katie>We don't need to put ourselves into the box of podcast.

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<v Katie>We are creating a show. We are creating a community.

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<v Katie>We are creating an experience that educates, entertains, uplifts.

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<v Katie>Brings together people. And I think that list that you just gave is a great

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<v Katie>representation of that because what matters in all of those shows is the connection,

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<v Katie>the community, the conversations, all of those things that don't are agnostic of format.

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<v Katie>So I think again, like what's going to really win in this space going forward

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<v Katie>isn't just one-off conversations.

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<v Katie>It's curated conversations that

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<v Katie>are building community it's staying really consistent but it's not really overthinking

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<v Katie>as you were saying like all of the things that we are able to do you don't need

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<v Katie>to be overthinking that as much you don't really need to be overthinking the

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<v Katie>terminology as much you really just need to be delivering on the concept of

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<v Katie>consistent episodes of a show.

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<v Doc>That's incredible. You're 100% right. And if you think about it,

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<v Doc>one of the reasons why having a structured format really does help you is it

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<v Doc>helps bring down your editing problem, right?

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<v Doc>So I was listening to Gretchen on Sunday talking to Strick, and she still says

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<v Doc>editing is the one thing that she hates the most.

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<v Doc>And I laughingly told her, well, if I use iMovie to edit, I would hate it too.

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<v Doc>But, you know, okay, that's a different conversation, Gretchen.

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<v Doc>She's not here to defend herself.

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<v Doc>But yeah, having a structured format is good.

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<v Doc>Now, some of you are going to say, and I just seen her pop up in the chat,

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<v Doc>this little troublemaker here.

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<v Doc>She said, well, I don't know what my structure is yet. Cool.

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<v Doc>Do what Mary Lou is doing.

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<v Doc>She's doing Good Morning, Mary Lou. And she said yesterday in her first inaugural

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<v Doc>episode, I don't know what the structure is yet. You guys are going to help

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<v Doc>me figure it out. So today, we're just going to have a conversation.

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<v Doc>And as we figure this out, we'll build a structure as we go along according

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<v Doc>to what the people want to see. And she goes, you guys tell me,

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<v Doc>don't be afraid to ask, fam, because here's the thing. I get this all the time and I fight.

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<v Doc>And Paul and Mary Lou would tell you on Saturdays, I get tweaked out when people

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<v Doc>ask me, well, I want to know your exact workflow.

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<v Doc>I'm like, I will tell you my workflow. I have nothing to hide from you,

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<v Doc>but my workflow will not work for you. Why? You ain't me, dog. I'm cool.

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<v Doc>When I open my mouth, the light comes on inside.

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<v Doc>So you're going to try to take my workflow and it's going to fail and you're

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<v Doc>going to say I was wrong. Well, no, because my workflow is my workflow.

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<v Doc>But what you do want to do is take the workflow and then like this part will work for me.

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<v Doc>This part may or may not. Let me attempt this with my audience.

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<v Doc>My audience doesn't like that. And you make these adjustments.

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<v Doc>So the thing that Mary Lou is doing, which I think is absolutely epic,

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<v Doc>is you talk to your audience, you say, hey, guys, what do you want to see?

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<v Doc>How do you think we should approach this? And then don't worry,

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<v Doc>we can always change it. And so you're letting the people know that it's fluid.

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<v Doc>So the flow that we have right now came from about 10, 15 episodes of figuring it out.

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<v Doc>And now we have the quote unquote hashtag, no pun intended flow,

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<v Doc>where we come in, we say hi to everybody, we tell them that we're going to do

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<v Doc>a recording, and then we kind of get into our thing and say when I'm stuck.

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<v Doc>Like, you know, Mary Lou and I, we go through the run a show live.

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<v Doc>And so people can see that it's not that hard, bro. You just literally take

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<v Doc>a couple topics, bounce some ideas back and forth, write down a couple bullet points and run.

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<v Doc>So we do ours live.

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<v Doc>And I think everybody can understand that. If you have these clear segments

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<v Doc>like Katie is saying, then people will wait for them.

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<v Doc>And the other thing that does for you, which admittedly we suck at and Katie

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<v Doc>and I swear we're going to fix it this time, is taking those clear segments

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<v Doc>and putting them out as just clips, right?

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<v Doc>So if we have a thing where we have like, these are the news for the week,

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<v Doc>we could take that single clip that's about three to five minutes long or whatever's

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<v Doc>popping off in the industry and we can publish that as a single video as a flow clip.

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<v Doc>And now it's living on its own. Go ahead. Sorry.

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<v Katie>The great news about everything that you just said, and you actually just covered

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<v Katie>our next two trends, so you're killing it already.

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<v Katie>But the great thing about all of it is that with the rise of AI and of a ton

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<v Katie>of automation and robots and everything in between,

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<v Katie>there has been really and continues to be this pushback of audiences really

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<v Katie>just wanting more human connection, less polish, more personality,

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<v Katie>more real people.

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<v Katie>You can do that and still look professional.

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<v Katie>I'm not saying for you to, you know, just go out there and show up and sit there

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<v Katie>silently because you don't know what to say.

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<v Katie>But I think like Mary, Good Morning Mary Lou is a really fantastic example of this.

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<v Katie>And Mary Lou is obviously best in class at knowing the exact right things to

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<v Katie>do. But let's use this as an example.

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<v Katie>No, she needs her. She needs a big head. Let's use her as an example in that.

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<v Katie>She knew that she really just wanted to be able to have a morning show, right?

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<v Katie>Like this was like a dream of hers from childhood.

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<v Katie>Like this is what she wanted to have was like this time and space in the morning

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<v Katie>that used to get filled up with news and, you know, more like a traditional media morning shows.

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<v Katie>And many of us don't consume that anymore, but we have YouTube,

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<v Katie>we have podcasts, we have all

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<v Katie>of these different, you know, other things that were filling in the gap.

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<v Katie>So she knew that if she put herself into that space, there was a need for that kind of programming.

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<v Katie>The content itself will come, as you said, but she's able to show up as a personality,

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<v Katie>not needing a ton of polish or quote unquote professionalism.

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<v Katie>She's just making time and space for people to come together to spend that time

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<v Katie>that they used to tune into a news program, a morning show, et cetera,

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<v Katie>on TV and don't anymore, right?

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<v Katie>So there's still a strategy behind there. There's still a thought to it,

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<v Katie>but there's a human side to it.

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<v Katie>There's kind of the ability for people to step into that space with her and

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<v Katie>prep for their day in a less kind of like.

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<v Katie>Icky way. We're all sort of sick and tired of everything coming at us through

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<v Katie>social media and through all of these other different digital spaces, right?

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<v Katie>So getting to just sit with your friends and being like, all right,

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<v Katie>guys, what are we talking about today? How's everyone feeling today?

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<v Katie>Let's psych ourselves into the day. There's a need for that.

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<v Katie>And I'm so glad that she's doing something like that and filling that need.

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<v Katie>So whoever you are, whatever your topic is, there is a need and a space for

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<v Katie>you to be more yourself and for you to be more of a human in amongst the robots.

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<v Katie>And the cool thing is, and this is the other trend that Doc highlighted,

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<v Katie>the robots are there to do all of the grunt work for us.

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<v Katie>So pulling out great clips from an episode, like Doc and I and Luis and whoever

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<v Katie>else can hit M on our computer and Ecamm will add those as markers,

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<v Katie>we can take our entire video, toss it into Opus and it like Opus has gotten

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<v Katie>so good at finding the best possible moments of an episode.

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<v Katie>And with very little work, like being able to make them look great and get them

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<v Katie>out across all these different podcasts,

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<v Katie>all these different social media platforms into newsletters out to different

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<v Katie>people to just be a little like mini podcast episodes, right?

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<v Katie>Like even if that person never goes back and watches your full episode.

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<v Katie>Or listens to you, they're still part of your community. They're still consuming your content.

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<v Katie>They're still connecting with you, your personality, your brand.

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<v Katie>So I think it's cool that we're, I personally, as someone who is A,

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<v Katie>terrible at editing and B, a drastic overthinker, how awesome.

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<v Katie>Welcome to 2026. We no longer need to overthink what the production looks like.

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<v Katie>We need to just show up as ourselves, messy and all and whatever that means,

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<v Katie>be just real, help people, entertain people, create a space where people can

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<v Katie>feel welcomed and included,

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<v Katie>and let the robots do all of the stuff that none of us want to do anyway.

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<v Katie>Let them handle all the other work, writing your show notes,

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<v Katie>finding the best clips, thinking through all of it.

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<v Katie>What a great time and space to be in. I just think it's awesome that video is

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<v Katie>here. It's awesome It's here to stay.

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<v Katie>And what a cool, I don't know. I've just been really reflecting a lot over the

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<v Katie>last, like, over, like, my personal journey.

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<v Katie>I hate using that word, but my personal journey over the past,

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<v Katie>like, six or seven years, right?

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<v Katie>Like, this was really intimidating for me for eight million different reasons.

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<v Katie>And, like, how cool that we're now back full circle where now it's even more

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<v Katie>freeing than it was before.

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<v Katie>Like, now it's, you don't need to be flawless at this. In fact,

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<v Katie>the more human you are and the more real you are, the better.

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<v Katie>People want a breath, be a breath of fresh air. I think Mary Lou is doing a

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<v Katie>great job with that. So congrats.

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<v Katie>And let's all spend our mornings with her because I think it's a great way to

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<v Katie>unplug and reset every day.

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<v Katie>But find moments like that because I think that those are the shows that are

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<v Katie>going to win going forward. And again, that...

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<v Katie>Probably wouldn't be something that someone would think about traditionally

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<v Katie>as a podcast, but can be consumed in all of the different places that podcasts live. Yeah.

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<v Doc>All right. So, guys, I want to save you some money right now.

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<v Doc>So, everybody, give you a little thing. First of all, use a visual reference,

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<v Doc>right? Your audience will come up with a reference.

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<v Doc>On Brandon's show, we have a saying called clip that.

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<v Doc>And normally what happens with the clip that is they're going to put it at the end, right?

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<v Doc>Now, however, let's just say you know you're about to say something cool,

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<v Doc>which I'm about to do right now. So I'm going to give Luis a clean clip so that

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<v Doc>we have a clean clip that Caleb and Joe could go to town on social media and

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<v Doc>your audience won't care.

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<v Doc>So if something cool happens in your show, I see this all the time in regular

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<v Doc>show. As a matter of fact, who watched football this weekend?

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<v Doc>Right. Somebody Riley Leonard, right. Ex-Notre Dame quarterback throws a bomb

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<v Doc>touchdown on one of his first plays as an NFL quarterback.

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<v Doc>You know what they did with that? Put it in the highlight reel.

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<v Doc>Right. And at the time during the game, while they're resetting for the next

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<v Doc>play, they showed it like five times. So if you know it's coming, don't depend on Opus.

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<v Doc>Get yourself a visual reference. I couldn't find my scissors,

00:24:07.266 --> 00:24:09.726

<v Doc>so I'm going to use these little 3D printer clippers right here.

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<v Doc>You say, okay, I'm going to give you guys a clip right now. Everybody take notes on this.

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<v Doc>Let's say you can't afford to go and get some fancy AI clipping software to clip your software.

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<v Doc>You're trying to keep the budget tight. When you come up with something hot

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<v Doc>that you know you want to be able to use as a clip, Just stop the recording

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<v Doc>without pressing the button.

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<v Doc>Tell the audience, hey, we're going to do something to make a nice,

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<v Doc>clean clip so we can share this sucker. And what do you do?

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<v Doc>You state the relevant part again and you state it in a nice,

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<v Doc>flowy, clean, be yourself way.

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<v Doc>Fix it and take the time to create that clip live in the middle of the show.

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<v Doc>And then when you're done, all you need to do is go to that timestamp in your

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<v Doc>editor, pull that complete clean up and share it to the social medias.

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<v Doc>That is it. And no one's going to be mad at you. and no one's going to fight

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<v Doc>you because if nothing else, you reiterated a very salient point that they needed anyway.

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<v Doc>And that, my friends, is how you do a live clip right in the middle of your show.

00:25:05.461 --> 00:25:08.381

<v Doc>All right. So there's a clean clip. You can take that clean clip.

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<v Doc>Don't require anything special. It doesn't cost you any software.

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<v Doc>You can press M, but you can also just say over again what you said because it was salient.

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<v Doc>Or if you're if you're your guess, Katie, oh, my God, that was fire.

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<v Doc>Could you repeat that again for the people in the back?

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<v Doc>That's the beginning of the clip, because now the brain cells go.

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<v Doc>Could repeat what? What is she fixing to say?

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<v Doc>I can't scroll away from that because now I need to finish that loop.

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<v Doc>Right the Virgo in me and the ADHD person in me cannot leave that loop open

00:25:35.721 --> 00:25:39.221

<v Doc>so if the clip started with oh my god Katie that was fire can you repeat that

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<v Doc>again for the people in the back now I'm stuck now I gotta repeat what what's she gonna say

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<v Doc>So, yeah, just like give yourself the visual references. Take out a giant. Get the biggest.

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<v Doc>Marion, she has all these cool things in her studio for her planning.

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<v Doc>Find the biggest, goofiest, hello kitty scissors you could possibly find.

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<v Doc>Find a hair clipper. If you're a person that's bald, get something that doesn't make any sense.

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<v Doc>And, like, we're going to use it as a visual reference and we're going to legit call it, clip that.

00:26:07.524 --> 00:26:12.264

<v Doc>And no, I'm not bringing this way to run. The market won't show up in Premiere,

00:26:12.364 --> 00:26:14.284

<v Doc>but it's not necessary. Jerry, you can read a number.

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<v Doc>The number says at 727 a.m. Or in this case, it will say at 2954.

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<v Doc>You can slide. It doesn't matter, dude. Your hands can slide.

00:26:24.204 --> 00:26:27.364

<v Doc>As fast as you can load that by hitting a button, import markers,

00:26:27.384 --> 00:26:29.984

<v Doc>you could also take the slider and slide it to 2953.

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<v Doc>Like we'd be looking for stuff that needs to be there. And they're going to get mad at me.

00:26:35.224 --> 00:26:38.344

<v Doc>Stephanie and Anna, don't get mad at me. They're like, hey, we need to feature

00:26:38.344 --> 00:26:42.264

<v Doc>the export scenes. No, just screenshot that sucker, bro. Like you could do it

00:26:42.264 --> 00:26:43.184

<v Doc>out of the program window.

00:26:43.484 --> 00:26:44.624

<v Doc>And yeah, maybe we'll get around

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<v Doc>to it. But for right now, you could just screenshot it and save as a PDF.

00:26:48.024 --> 00:26:51.124

<v Doc>Like we don't look for things to be harder because they don't exist the way

00:26:51.124 --> 00:26:53.784

<v Doc>you want. Find a way to make it work. Make it repeatable.

00:26:54.204 --> 00:26:58.064

<v Doc>Make it stream deckable. You could actually use a stream deck button to highlight

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<v Doc>the clip. Like it literally is that simple.

00:27:02.124 --> 00:27:05.724

<v Doc>And reality of it is with the way that we're setting up Ecamm,

00:27:05.944 --> 00:27:07.644

<v Doc>you're going to actually even

00:27:07.644 --> 00:27:10.644

<v Doc>have the vertical and the horizontal version of that clip already done.

00:27:10.644 --> 00:27:13.304

<v Doc>All you got to do is open whichever version of the file you want,

00:27:13.424 --> 00:27:16.524

<v Doc>slide to the slider, chop it where it ends, and send it. So,

00:27:16.664 --> 00:27:18.084

<v Doc>yes, Opus is phenomenal.

00:27:18.604 --> 00:27:22.344

<v Doc>But you don't even have to do that, bro. You can keep it light and move quick.

00:27:22.464 --> 00:27:24.144

<v Doc>You can move with a vengeance.

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<v Doc>So I just want to point that out for the people that go, well,

00:27:26.684 --> 00:27:28.824

<v Doc>I can't afford to make Oopie clips. Cool, don't.

00:27:29.614 --> 00:27:32.614

<v Doc>Clip it yourself. Get a bottle of Opus. That costs more, actually.

00:27:32.894 --> 00:27:34.654

<v Doc>A bottle of Opus is like four grand.

00:27:37.234 --> 00:27:42.994

<v Doc>You could just get a bottle of Ripple for $1.75 from the Piggly Wiggly and then

00:27:42.994 --> 00:27:45.694

<v Doc>drink Manischewitz or whatever that stuff is called. Anyway,

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<v Doc>so I wanted to cover the next trend, which I think is very, very big and it's coming up.

00:27:51.094 --> 00:27:53.934

<v Doc>And it's sort of, again, Mary Lou, she's doing the right thing.

00:27:54.774 --> 00:27:59.394

<v Doc>Although the structured shows do matter, I do want to highlight the point that

00:27:59.394 --> 00:28:04.354

<v Doc>it doesn't have to be where you've lost your ability to just be a human. Okay?

00:28:04.814 --> 00:28:08.134

<v Doc>So you can make a podcast out of.

00:28:08.494 --> 00:28:14.674

<v Doc>No. So Mary Lou and I are, you know, we're friends. And she just finished being watching. Wait, what?

00:28:14.974 --> 00:28:17.274

<v Doc>Stranger Things. Back up. Yeah. Are you friends? Hard to believe,

00:28:17.394 --> 00:28:18.954

<v Doc>right? Hard to believe, right?

00:28:19.994 --> 00:28:23.854

<v Katie>No Stranger Things spoilers. I'm like a good two seasons behind. Don't ruin it for me.

00:28:24.134 --> 00:28:27.914

<v Doc>Yo, thank you. Me too. And so when she was talking about it yesterday, I had to mute her.

00:28:28.134 --> 00:28:30.874

<v Doc>Because it was like, she said, here's a spoiler that I saw on TikTok.

00:28:30.914 --> 00:28:33.254

<v Doc>I was like, no, she didn't. I muted her.

00:28:33.454 --> 00:28:36.514

<v Doc>And I was like, girl, you better not say nothing. Because I'm actually behind.

00:28:36.834 --> 00:28:39.794

<v Doc>And I need to catch up. And I told myself I was going to do it on the plane.

00:28:39.954 --> 00:28:42.394

<v Doc>But the people behind me were getting on my nerves. I was about to get in the

00:28:42.394 --> 00:28:43.354

<v Doc>fisticuffs on the plane.

00:28:43.354 --> 00:28:49.774

<v Doc>So what happens is I just muted that second, but imagine once I finished my

00:28:49.774 --> 00:28:55.174

<v Doc>thing, right, just like you and that, I could be like, Lou, let's just put out a 10, you know,

00:28:55.654 --> 00:29:00.174

<v Doc>episode podcast where all we're going to do is go through all of our Stranger Things feels.

00:29:00.174 --> 00:29:06.734

<v Doc>And then we're going to put out our fan fiction or fan reactions or fan what

00:29:06.734 --> 00:29:07.754

<v Doc>I think is really going on.

00:29:07.834 --> 00:29:11.494

<v Doc>And she'd be like, no, Doc, that is absolutely wrong. It turned out the upside

00:29:11.494 --> 00:29:14.074

<v Doc>down is analogous with blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:14.314 --> 00:29:16.454

<v Doc>And I'd be like, no, Mary Lou. So we could go back and forth.

00:29:16.534 --> 00:29:17.954

<v Doc>We could build two camps, right?

00:29:18.134 --> 00:29:22.354

<v Doc>And it'd be like Doc camp is the upside down is X and Mary Lou's camp would be the upside down is X.

00:29:22.654 --> 00:29:24.914

<v Doc>And you could literally just have two friends

00:29:25.635 --> 00:29:29.495

<v Doc>A pot of coffee or a 40, whatever you got.

00:29:29.555 --> 00:29:34.135

<v Doc>And we could just sit down and just argue about our favorite show, 10 episodes.

00:29:34.335 --> 00:29:37.955

<v Doc>She said, can we film this today? No, Katie and I got to catch up.

00:29:38.255 --> 00:29:41.355

<v Doc>Katie and I got to catch up. We do not trust you with the spoilers.

00:29:41.595 --> 00:29:43.195

<v Doc>So, but yeah, that is all. It

00:29:43.195 --> 00:29:47.335

<v Doc>could be that simple. But the thing would be though, that format, right?

00:29:47.495 --> 00:29:51.715

<v Doc>That format is, okay, we just got finished watching 300 things and we got some

00:29:51.715 --> 00:29:54.475

<v Doc>feels. That's the show opener, every show that never changes.

00:29:54.855 --> 00:29:57.995

<v Doc>Okay. And be like, dog believes the upside down is this.

00:29:58.155 --> 00:30:01.495

<v Doc>I believe the upside down is this. But let's talk about it. In episode one,

00:30:01.775 --> 00:30:05.355

<v Doc>here's my case for why the episode, you know, the upside down is this way.

00:30:05.495 --> 00:30:08.855

<v Doc>And then episode two, you know, same thing. So you're just going down and at

00:30:08.855 --> 00:30:11.735

<v Doc>the end, you're going to answer questions or take feedback or,

00:30:11.855 --> 00:30:14.935

<v Doc>you know, go through your mailbox and then you're going to put in a sponsor

00:30:14.935 --> 00:30:16.275

<v Doc>break. Well, you don't have any sponsor.

00:30:16.455 --> 00:30:19.575

<v Doc>Guess what? This show is sponsored by Ecamm. We use Ecamm to fill this show.

00:30:19.935 --> 00:30:22.795

<v Doc>And although they didn't pay us to make this, we're going to throw in our affiliate

00:30:22.795 --> 00:30:23.975

<v Doc>links because we need to make money.

00:30:24.115 --> 00:30:29.255

<v Doc>So here's what you do. Go to click this thing, buy Ecamm and then help us out, help support the show.

00:30:29.475 --> 00:30:34.175

<v Doc>All of the above. And what you did in two things, you made a watchable show, repeatable.

00:30:34.415 --> 00:30:37.975

<v Doc>I know that if I came in 20 minutes late, exactly what I need to back up or

00:30:37.975 --> 00:30:39.695

<v Doc>what I can skip or can I just stay here?

00:30:39.875 --> 00:30:42.735

<v Doc>Like you start to develop these things that you learn when you come to your

00:30:42.735 --> 00:30:44.895

<v Doc>own shows late because you know how they work, right?

00:30:45.295 --> 00:30:48.475

<v Doc>So if you open up Jeopardy and they're already on double Jeopardy,

00:30:48.635 --> 00:30:52.255

<v Doc>you know, I can continue here or I can back up to the second half because I

00:30:52.255 --> 00:30:53.275

<v Doc>don't care about the first puzzle.

00:30:53.375 --> 00:30:55.895

<v Doc>First puzzle is too easy for me. Whatever the case may be.

00:30:56.535 --> 00:31:00.555

<v Doc>And then the last part of that is you're going to now be able to,

00:31:00.715 --> 00:31:04.495

<v Doc>with your audience, develop nicknames. Your audience will have...

00:31:05.281 --> 00:31:08.681

<v Doc>You know, I call them the Lunaverse. She has the lunatics.

00:31:09.421 --> 00:31:12.801

<v Doc>Will calls them the lunatics. But we got a bunch of different names for very loose people.

00:31:13.121 --> 00:31:17.481

<v Doc>Right. And so you start to develop that thing. And that lets people feel like

00:31:17.481 --> 00:31:20.281

<v Doc>they're part of something. Flowriders, you get it? You know what I'm saying?

00:31:20.741 --> 00:31:24.141

<v Doc>And that's it. Like, don't don't feel that you need to overproduce it because

00:31:24.141 --> 00:31:26.461

<v Doc>the reality is people don't want any AI slop.

00:31:26.661 --> 00:31:30.541

<v Doc>And I know George talked about it up in there. You know, the AI slop podcast

00:31:30.541 --> 00:31:35.501

<v Doc>are going to be a thing. the only way to outdo ai slop is to make human not

00:31:35.501 --> 00:31:37.781

<v Doc>slop i don't know oh human wagyu burgers

00:31:41.221 --> 00:31:44.321

<v Doc>i'm thinking of sloppy joe that's why i went to wagyu burger because that was

00:31:44.321 --> 00:31:47.961

<v Doc>the last thing i ate in japan was a five wagyu burger oh my god it's so delicious

00:31:47.961 --> 00:31:52.461

<v Doc>it's not wagyu people it's not a dog it's a cow it's wa wa means harmony in

00:31:52.461 --> 00:31:57.561

<v Doc>japanese wagyu burger not wagyu that sounds like you eating dog anyway um yeah

00:31:57.561 --> 00:32:00.401

<v Doc>mary lou mafia i like that one too because yeah i

00:32:00.401 --> 00:32:00.801

<v Katie>Like that one.

00:32:02.441 --> 00:32:05.721

<v Doc>I still stick to lunatics because I know them and they all qualify.

00:32:06.781 --> 00:32:11.701

<v Doc>So anyway, I just think that just realize that your show doesn't have to be

00:32:11.701 --> 00:32:14.241

<v Doc>absolutely insane. It can still be just you.

00:32:14.441 --> 00:32:17.641

<v Doc>And I think Katie and Nat's show is the perfect example.

00:32:17.861 --> 00:32:21.241

<v Doc>And it's gotten better and better and better. And you're just hanging out with

00:32:21.241 --> 00:32:27.481

<v Doc>friends and the conversations that you guys have with us and allow us to go

00:32:27.481 --> 00:32:29.581

<v Doc>back and watch movies that we hadn't watched.

00:32:29.581 --> 00:32:34.621

<v Doc>And now like someone who likes to watch over the shoulder be like what movie

00:32:34.621 --> 00:32:35.701

<v Doc>y'all watching this weekend yeah

00:32:36.357 --> 00:32:40.737

<v Doc>Why are you all up in our business? And then she's, oh, I just want to know if I want to watch it too.

00:32:40.857 --> 00:32:44.477

<v Doc>So now sometimes I wait for Karen to be free to watch whatever the movie is

00:32:44.477 --> 00:32:47.477

<v Doc>because Katie and Nat picked something that she want to see, right?

00:32:47.697 --> 00:32:51.837

<v Doc>And so even the person who doesn't podcast, I have the same one,

00:32:52.037 --> 00:32:55.597

<v Doc>all of a sudden be listening to the podcast and it just happens to be Katie and Nat.

00:32:55.837 --> 00:32:59.137

<v Doc>And her and Bob will be in the background. Hi, Katie. Hi, Nat.

00:32:59.217 --> 00:33:01.537

<v Doc>I was like, they can't hear you. They can't hear you.

00:33:02.877 --> 00:33:05.117

<v Doc>But it is people who do build that relationship.

00:33:05.937 --> 00:33:10.077

<v Katie>They do build a relationship, and it is funny to me. I think I've said this a bunch of times, but...

00:33:10.917 --> 00:33:19.897

<v Katie>There are people who are in my network, both real life friends who I see often

00:33:19.897 --> 00:33:24.077

<v Katie>and people who I've only are internet friends. I've never met in real life.

00:33:24.237 --> 00:33:26.657

<v Katie>I've connected or found them one way or the other.

00:33:26.897 --> 00:33:34.337

<v Katie>And there are a decent amount of them who have never watched a full episode of our show, but who,

00:33:34.517 --> 00:33:39.517

<v Katie>because of the clips that I post on Instagram and Facebook and reshare in different

00:33:39.517 --> 00:33:43.857

<v Katie>places or talking about like setting up and prepping for a show or talking about watching a movie,

00:33:44.057 --> 00:33:49.097

<v Katie>they are on, on the, in the club with us. They are on the boat with us.

00:33:49.217 --> 00:33:53.537

<v Katie>They are like, I have people all the time who are, you know,

00:33:53.637 --> 00:33:57.157

<v Katie>like what I would consider to be part of the show.

00:33:57.437 --> 00:34:01.997

<v Katie>They're not showing up in my stats, in my analytics, but they're invested.

00:34:02.157 --> 00:34:06.697

<v Katie>Like, and you better believe that if someone asks anything related to eighties

00:34:06.697 --> 00:34:09.457

<v Katie>or nineties movies, I am the first person that they think of.

00:34:09.597 --> 00:34:13.477

<v Katie>They are every time that they like send an email or a DM or whatever,

00:34:13.477 --> 00:34:15.657

<v Katie>it's asking what movie I'm watching next.

00:34:15.857 --> 00:34:19.017

<v Katie>Have I done this movie? They just saw this movie. They thought of Nat and I.

00:34:19.277 --> 00:34:24.877

<v Katie>So it is amazing to me, again, like it, the, the vanity metrics that are out

00:34:24.877 --> 00:34:29.377

<v Katie>there, which we've been saying for years, we should not care about as much.

00:34:29.517 --> 00:34:36.357

<v Katie>They're not representative of what are now shows because people are not consuming

00:34:36.357 --> 00:34:38.337

<v Katie>things the way that they used to.

00:34:38.537 --> 00:34:46.897

<v Katie>It is not, there is no longer a world where every family has three TV channels

00:34:46.897 --> 00:34:52.417

<v Katie>and they sit down and watch their one show every Thursday at eight o'clock PM,

00:34:52.577 --> 00:34:54.857

<v Katie>right? Like that is rare.

00:34:55.197 --> 00:34:58.797

<v Katie>People are consuming content in all different kinds of ways,

00:34:58.797 --> 00:35:00.597

<v Katie>in all different kinds of places.

00:35:00.597 --> 00:35:04.157

<v Katie>And that does not mean that they are not part of your audience,

00:35:04.677 --> 00:35:10.197

<v Katie>part of your community, a part of your world so like they are again there are,

00:35:10.953 --> 00:35:14.933

<v Katie>I would say at least half of my audience does not watch or listen to the show

00:35:14.933 --> 00:35:17.913

<v Katie>consistently, but are ride or die for me.

00:35:18.693 --> 00:35:22.973

<v Katie>So it is amazing. And something to keep in the back of your mind when you're

00:35:22.973 --> 00:35:28.033

<v Katie>looking at those numbers, don't be disheartened, be consistent and continue

00:35:28.033 --> 00:35:30.993

<v Katie>to refine and make it better.

00:35:31.173 --> 00:35:33.933

<v Katie>It's not the show that I thought I was making when I first started.

00:35:34.053 --> 00:35:39.373

<v Katie>When we first started that show, I was like, we're going to have a segment where

00:35:39.373 --> 00:35:43.613

<v Katie>we're going to we're going to share video store stories and we're going to have

00:35:43.613 --> 00:35:46.033

<v Katie>a segment where we do this and a segment where we do that.

00:35:46.193 --> 00:35:49.113

<v Katie>And then we started doing the show and none of those segments made sense.

00:35:49.233 --> 00:35:53.773

<v Katie>And that's not what people wanted. They wanted to just chat about the movies that they loved.

00:35:53.913 --> 00:35:59.853

<v Katie>So like all of, all of those best intentions are relevant if you don't listen

00:35:59.853 --> 00:36:01.053

<v Katie>to what your community wants.

00:36:01.153 --> 00:36:04.633

<v Katie>And in the end, my community just wants to watch movies together. And that's great.

00:36:05.073 --> 00:36:08.953

<v Katie>I'm here for it. It means that my show is less structured and probably less

00:36:08.953 --> 00:36:12.913

<v Katie>structured than what I would want, but it's human and it's real and it's consistent

00:36:12.913 --> 00:36:15.313

<v Katie>and it's something that people enjoy.

00:36:15.453 --> 00:36:22.393

<v Katie>And so it doesn't matter how you start, where you start, why you start.

00:36:22.833 --> 00:36:28.293

<v Katie>When we say just start, even if you have the best, fullest plan,

00:36:28.493 --> 00:36:29.673

<v Katie>things are going to shift anyway.

00:36:29.993 --> 00:36:35.053

<v Katie>So you might as well have not as much of a plan and see where the show takes

00:36:35.053 --> 00:36:40.493

<v Katie>you rather than spending so much time waiting till it's exactly how you see

00:36:40.493 --> 00:36:44.473

<v Katie>it in your mind or exactly how the plan says because it's going to change or

00:36:44.473 --> 00:36:47.813

<v Katie>it should change as you hear from your audience. It should always change.

00:36:48.556 --> 00:36:52.836

<v Doc>Yeah, yeah. So, okay, I want to make sure we cover this. So we had a list of

00:36:52.836 --> 00:36:55.536

<v Doc>trends we wanted to cover, and we covered a bunch, but then we kind of skipped one.

00:36:55.596 --> 00:36:57.956

<v Doc>So I'm going to reiterate for the midpoint here real quick.

00:36:58.656 --> 00:37:01.136

<v Doc>Podcast is becoming more show-like, so yes, you're structured,

00:37:01.216 --> 00:37:03.736

<v Doc>and make sure we find that. Katie covered that. That is awesome.

00:37:04.016 --> 00:37:08.756

<v Doc>The audience wants more personality and less polish. We just covered that one. So that one is in there.

00:37:08.936 --> 00:37:12.156

<v Doc>And your AI tool becomes your support tool, not the star.

00:37:12.416 --> 00:37:15.656

<v Doc>So that was supposed to be the fifth one, and we covered that.

00:37:15.656 --> 00:37:18.856

<v Doc>Now, one we kind of skipped over, but I think we talked about it.

00:37:18.896 --> 00:37:19.576

<v Doc>I just want to make sure we nail it.

00:37:19.576 --> 00:37:20.756

<v Katie>We talk about this one a lot.

00:37:20.996 --> 00:37:23.956

<v Doc>It's hyper important. And this technically was going to be number three,

00:37:23.996 --> 00:37:28.676

<v Doc>that video podcasting is no longer optional.

00:37:29.356 --> 00:37:33.376

<v Doc>And I think this is very important and it really has to stick in there.

00:37:34.016 --> 00:37:38.276

<v Doc>This is YouTube's primary thing right now. YouTube is pushing the living heck

00:37:38.276 --> 00:37:41.376

<v Doc>out of it. And I want to let you know how important this is.

00:37:42.396 --> 00:37:45.896

<v Doc>Netflix is going all in on podcasting in 2026.

00:37:46.176 --> 00:37:52.516

<v Doc>They have been trying to hire some of those top shows. They have put in an offer to Diary of a CEO.

00:37:52.736 --> 00:37:56.056

<v Doc>They've put in an offer to Mel Robbins. They put in an offer to Crime Junkies.

00:37:56.296 --> 00:38:00.556

<v Doc>They're putting an offer recently to Charlemagne Tha God in The Breakfast Club.

00:38:00.776 --> 00:38:07.276

<v Doc>Like they're trying to get a anchor show the way that JRE is the anchor show for Spotify. Right.

00:38:07.876 --> 00:38:11.916

<v Doc>Diary of the CEO is probably the anchor show for YouTube and so forth.

00:38:12.176 --> 00:38:18.476

<v Doc>So also you realize as Stephen Colbert and Conan O'Brien, a couple of these

00:38:18.476 --> 00:38:21.336

<v Doc>guys have come off the airways, they've started their own shows.

00:38:21.556 --> 00:38:26.596

<v Doc>And I tell people all the time that one of the best models for a podcast is Conan O'Brien.

00:38:26.716 --> 00:38:28.776

<v Doc>Here's a guy who's all the money in the world, could have built whatever you

00:38:28.776 --> 00:38:30.156

<v Doc>want. You know what he bought for his podcast?

00:38:30.336 --> 00:38:33.096

<v Doc>A dining room table and a couple of SM7Bs.

00:38:33.416 --> 00:38:37.136

<v Doc>That's it. He didn't go crazy. He's literally sitting at a long dining room

00:38:37.136 --> 00:38:39.676

<v Doc>table. It's actually too long for the camera, and that's part of the joke.

00:38:40.103 --> 00:38:43.963

<v Doc>And he has basically two cameras, you know, one looking at each and then one

00:38:43.963 --> 00:38:45.483

<v Doc>looking down the pipe. I've said this already.

00:38:45.663 --> 00:38:51.003

<v Doc>And our buddy Matt shared a photo inside the Ecamm community of the various

00:38:51.003 --> 00:38:53.363

<v Doc>types of looks for a multi-person podcast.

00:38:53.623 --> 00:38:56.663

<v Doc>I highly suggest you jump into the Ecamm community and find that graphic.

00:38:57.743 --> 00:39:01.883

<v Doc>I was thinking Jill and I, next time I'm in Boston, Jill and I are going to

00:39:01.883 --> 00:39:06.403

<v Doc>have to go to Matt's studio and kick him out and then shoot all of those different looks.

00:39:06.543 --> 00:39:09.383

<v Doc>I know, yeah. like show people what they are without a graphic because people

00:39:09.383 --> 00:39:12.143

<v Doc>need to see a video you know how we are and i was like yo we should

00:39:12.143 --> 00:39:14.923

<v Doc>actually just set those up in matt's studio because he got space it has

00:39:14.923 --> 00:39:17.723

<v Doc>more space than the ecamm headquarters so matt we're invading

00:39:17.723 --> 00:39:21.783

<v Doc>your space like it or not deal with it anyway so i wanted to point that out

00:39:21.783 --> 00:39:26.163

<v Doc>though i do think it's important that we do understand that the shows are becoming

00:39:26.163 --> 00:39:30.683

<v Doc>longer and um my buddy benji who you guys would get to meet a lot because we're

00:39:30.683 --> 00:39:33.863

<v Doc>gonna be doing some stuff with him this go around he's been telling everyone

00:39:33.863 --> 00:39:37.223

<v Doc>that the longer shows are the absolute hook.

00:39:37.403 --> 00:39:40.183

<v Doc>Whereas before everyone was talking about, oh, your YouTube videos should be

00:39:40.183 --> 00:39:41.503

<v Doc>five to 10 minutes, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:41.663 --> 00:39:46.023

<v Doc>Now the shows that people watch when they sit on TV is they're looking for 20 minutes plus.

00:39:46.203 --> 00:39:50.743

<v Doc>And the magic number is between 22 and 30 because that's how we grew up watching TV.

00:39:51.734 --> 00:39:57.574

<v Doc>Right. Between 22 and 30 or 48 and 60, because that's how we grew up watching TV.

00:39:57.754 --> 00:40:01.474

<v Doc>And if you make your shows the way that we all grew up watching TV,

00:40:01.754 --> 00:40:03.554

<v Doc>you sit down, you're ready for that.

00:40:03.714 --> 00:40:06.154

<v Doc>You know how long that's the experience. When you pop the TV on,

00:40:06.254 --> 00:40:08.034

<v Doc>you're expected to not move for 30 minutes.

00:40:08.314 --> 00:40:12.514

<v Doc>So make your shows that way. Don't feel like you got to cram everything in and

00:40:12.514 --> 00:40:15.854

<v Doc>talk a hundred miles an hour and don't go over crazy.

00:40:16.054 --> 00:40:19.054

<v Doc>So just know that the video podcasting is a

00:40:19.054 --> 00:40:21.934

<v Doc>thing and you know i understand a

00:40:21.934 --> 00:40:25.134

<v Doc>lot of people and i keep you putting this out in the notes that

00:40:25.134 --> 00:40:28.634

<v Doc>the whole camera confidence thing is really big and you

00:40:28.634 --> 00:40:32.394

<v Doc>know what there's no shortcut bro you can't buy a book you can't take a class

00:40:32.394 --> 00:40:36.914

<v Doc>you can't learn it and you know i've tried to teach the class it doesn't work

00:40:36.914 --> 00:40:41.594

<v Doc>the only way to get good at it is to do it like literally put that camera on

00:40:41.594 --> 00:40:45.634

<v Doc>start talking you will absolutely suck in the beginning if you guys can hear

00:40:45.634 --> 00:40:48.134

<v Doc>my first radio show, you'll be like, damn,

00:40:49.034 --> 00:40:51.774

<v Doc>holy crap. What was he doing? How come he did not get fired?

00:40:52.481 --> 00:40:55.641

<v Katie>That's some accountability too. Again.

00:40:56.261 --> 00:41:00.781

<v Katie>Maybe it's highly personal and this is just me, but putting a line in the sand

00:41:00.781 --> 00:41:05.901

<v Katie>and just saying, hey, publicly, hey, friends, family, colleagues, everyone,

00:41:06.201 --> 00:41:11.661

<v Katie>I'm launching my show on this date and expect me to be there.

00:41:11.661 --> 00:41:16.481

<v Katie>Once you, once you put it out there, even when you are not ready,

00:41:16.721 --> 00:41:21.161

<v Katie>that's going to force you into the practicing and you're, you're like,

00:41:21.281 --> 00:41:22.721

<v Katie>the reality is exactly what Doc said.

00:41:22.821 --> 00:41:27.981

<v Katie>You are going to have to start badly before you're going to get to a feeling of confidence.

00:41:28.161 --> 00:41:33.681

<v Katie>So, so just, just draw a line in the sand and show up, set, you know,

00:41:33.781 --> 00:41:37.881

<v Katie>set an expectation, put a calendar invite, tell everyone so that they can be

00:41:37.881 --> 00:41:41.561

<v Katie>like, Hey, I thought you were going to be live at this time. I'm where are you?

00:41:41.981 --> 00:41:47.941

<v Katie>And again, like the cool thing, again, here in this like YouTube video first,

00:41:48.281 --> 00:41:54.161

<v Katie>you know, video show video podcast world is that live streaming is coming back around again.

00:41:54.161 --> 00:41:58.621

<v Katie>So like we over the last few years have seen sort of a dip in live streaming

00:41:58.621 --> 00:42:03.241

<v Katie>and people have been really more focused on these like really polished YouTube

00:42:03.241 --> 00:42:06.421

<v Katie>videos, building out these like giant studios.

00:42:06.981 --> 00:42:13.121

<v Katie>Like really kind of having this very curated experience that looks and feels

00:42:13.121 --> 00:42:15.721

<v Katie>like, you know, like what you would see on TV.

00:42:16.001 --> 00:42:21.801

<v Katie>And now there's a swing back for authenticity for everything that live streaming

00:42:21.801 --> 00:42:25.781

<v Katie>has made so popular. And you're seeing more people.

00:42:26.361 --> 00:42:30.681

<v Katie>Benji's a great example of it. The late night folks are a great example of it.

00:42:30.801 --> 00:42:35.141

<v Katie>Like they're just, they just want to show up as they are, live,

00:42:35.321 --> 00:42:41.021

<v Katie>long form, to connect with people, to build a community, to be part of an experience.

00:42:41.201 --> 00:42:46.001

<v Katie>And that can sit as your main show, that can sit alongside a show,

00:42:46.121 --> 00:42:53.761

<v Katie>but we're really starting to see a lot more live streaming, a lot less polish in that it's not that.

00:42:55.740 --> 00:42:59.680

<v Katie>Making their shows crappier. Like, I don't mean like they're not caring about

00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:04.300

<v Katie>camera quality or about audio quality or like, but they're not caring as much

00:43:04.300 --> 00:43:09.640

<v Katie>about whether they're in some beautiful, fancy, super polished studio space.

00:43:09.860 --> 00:43:12.100

<v Katie>They're sitting around a dining room table.

00:43:12.340 --> 00:43:17.280

<v Katie>They're, you know, in their kitchen, they're in their, they're in their car.

00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:22.180

<v Katie>They're like, it's, it's sort of the TikTok, Instagram live streaming,

00:43:22.180 --> 00:43:26.420

<v Katie>like space coming into YouTube with We are people.

00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:30.080

<v Katie>We are sharing stories. We are connecting. We are building a community.

00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.780

<v Katie>So I think it's, again, a really freeing time.

00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.020

<v Doc>A really, really freeing time for all of us. I liken it to Mom's Spaghetti does

00:43:37.020 --> 00:43:41.200

<v Doc>not look anything like Il Rastriante that's in your neighborhood.

00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:43.120

<v Doc>But Mom's Spaghetti is banging.

00:43:43.700 --> 00:43:46.720

<v Doc>Right? I don't care. I mean, Eminem wrote a song about it. Mom's Spaghetti is

00:43:46.720 --> 00:43:50.680

<v Doc>off the chain. It doesn't look anything like what you're going to find at some

00:43:50.680 --> 00:43:54.880

<v Doc>highfalutin Italian restaurant that got served with a nice Chianti and fava

00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:56.840

<v Doc>beans. But it still tastes amazing.

00:43:57.160 --> 00:43:59.920

<v Doc>And I think that your show needs to be mom's spaghetti.

00:44:00.540 --> 00:44:03.300

<v Doc>You know, just make it from the heart. It feels good.

00:44:03.420 --> 00:44:04.340

<v Katie>Yeah, make it comfy.

00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:08.600

<v Doc>That Sunday sauce, right? That Sunday. By the way, a good movie,

00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:12.460

<v Doc>you've known this if you haven't checked it. You got to make that Sunday sauce. Just put it out there.

00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:16.620

<v Doc>And I think you're good to go. So now the Creative Depot had a question.

00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:19.300

<v Doc>Y'all make streaming look seamless and I love the content.

00:44:19.540 --> 00:44:23.380

<v Doc>Well, Creative Depot, I do want to put a real big reminder. The reason why we

00:44:23.380 --> 00:44:26.440

<v Doc>make this look seamless, this is episode 124.

00:44:27.180 --> 00:44:31.620

<v Doc>If you go back to episode one, you'd be like, damn, Doc and Katie, y'all are ridiculous.

00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.700

<v Katie>This is episode 124 and Doc has been doing this for forever.

00:44:37.940 --> 00:44:43.680

<v Katie>And we work for Ecamm. So we spend a lot of our time on camera,

00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:48.340

<v Katie>behind the scenes, listening to what the coolest, newest features tools are.

00:44:48.520 --> 00:44:49.760

<v Katie>We have a graphic designer.

00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:54.380

<v Katie>We have access to a lot of things as well. So again, like...

00:44:55.020 --> 00:44:59.300

<v Katie>It doesn't we didn't start this way we didn't start this way on the show we

00:44:59.300 --> 00:45:05.440

<v Katie>didn't start this way as individuals we didn't like it there is so much um behind

00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:11.340

<v Katie>all of that but even then it's still there's still lots of things that we could change and update and.

00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:15.760

<v Doc>It is accessible yeah you just got you kind of sort of got to do it now i wanted

00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:20.400

<v Doc>to say uh one of the things that i thought was sort of super important as we

00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:25.320

<v Doc>as we sort of deal with this and kind of coming up to it I hear this question all the time, too,

00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:28.980

<v Doc>when it comes to the sort of camera conference, like, well, I don't know if

00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:32.340

<v Doc>I can speak for 30 minutes about this particular subject.

00:45:32.640 --> 00:45:35.360

<v Doc>You're probably podcasting about the wrong thing.

00:45:36.089 --> 00:45:40.309

<v Doc>Like maybe you feel like you need to podcast about that because it's trendy or it's hot.

00:45:40.429 --> 00:45:43.589

<v Doc>But if you can't talk for three hours about your subject matter without taking

00:45:43.589 --> 00:45:48.529

<v Doc>a breath, you probably shouldn't podcast about it because you will definitely run out of that thing.

00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:55.169

<v Doc>The conversations that we have here on The Flow, we have at dinner when we're all together, right?

00:45:55.249 --> 00:45:59.289

<v Doc>We have these conversations when we're at a podcasting conference or with other

00:45:59.289 --> 00:46:03.449

<v Doc>people. So if you saw us talking to Paul Gowder, who's coming next week,

00:46:03.569 --> 00:46:07.829

<v Doc>by the way, or to Dave Hamilton, who's coming the week after that. Oh, I flipped him.

00:46:08.329 --> 00:46:09.809

<v Katie>Right. Flip him. Dave next week.

00:46:09.809 --> 00:46:13.529

<v Doc>Or Jeff or Mary Lou or, you know, Mary. And if you saw us in public,

00:46:13.829 --> 00:46:15.449

<v Doc>you know, this is what we're talking about.

00:46:15.869 --> 00:46:18.869

<v Doc>So this is very much that.

00:46:19.149 --> 00:46:22.089

<v Doc>And if you can keep your hands around it and don't be afraid to,

00:46:22.169 --> 00:46:23.089

<v Doc>like, change your subject.

00:46:23.329 --> 00:46:26.589

<v Doc>Right. If you if you feel like I'm not going to be able to carry this subject

00:46:26.589 --> 00:46:29.149

<v Doc>on, but I want to pivot this show. we're going to do something a little different.

00:46:29.589 --> 00:46:34.129

<v Doc>And I believe that Stephen Barlett is a good example of that.

00:46:34.269 --> 00:46:39.209

<v Doc>When he started Diary of a CEO, he had one thing in mind, similar to what Katie

00:46:39.209 --> 00:46:41.969

<v Doc>said a second ago, and what the show is now is completely different.

00:46:42.009 --> 00:46:44.709

<v Doc>And he talks about that on Behind the Diary.

00:46:45.329 --> 00:46:49.789

<v Doc>And the show evolved into what it is today. And he's asking the questions,

00:46:49.789 --> 00:46:52.989

<v Doc>you know, that everybody wants to know.

00:46:53.169 --> 00:46:57.809

<v Doc>So it's not just another, here is some highfalutin person. let's have them sit

00:46:57.809 --> 00:47:03.549

<v Doc>there and do another hour long bio that they've done 10 other times on 10 other shows.

00:47:03.889 --> 00:47:08.509

<v Doc>He wanted to get into the meat and potatoes of the situation or the broccoli

00:47:08.509 --> 00:47:10.309

<v Doc>and potatoes for the vegans, don't come at me.

00:47:11.309 --> 00:47:16.269

<v Doc>And yeah, your show will change. So just feel free, it's yours, like you can adapt it.

00:47:16.609 --> 00:47:19.449

<v Doc>But know when you get to episode 10, it's probably not yours anymore.

00:47:19.649 --> 00:47:21.089

<v Doc>At that point, it's the audience's show.

00:47:21.329 --> 00:47:23.989

<v Doc>So if you made that commitment to show up, you gotta show up,

00:47:24.309 --> 00:47:25.849

<v Doc>that's, you know, that's important.

00:47:26.564 --> 00:47:28.584

<v Doc>All right, so we have a couple more that we need to get through.

00:47:28.724 --> 00:47:30.204

<v Doc>I want to make sure that we nail these.

00:47:30.784 --> 00:47:35.304

<v Doc>And this one, Katie, I thought it was kind of wild because you put this on.

00:47:35.404 --> 00:47:37.964

<v Doc>You said fewer episodes, more intention.

00:47:38.924 --> 00:47:41.944

<v Doc>I get that, but explain it to me in the Katie way.

00:47:43.224 --> 00:47:51.664

<v Katie>So I think many of us, myself included, actually, we formulate this giant plan

00:47:51.664 --> 00:47:56.204

<v Katie>and we're like, okay, like my episodes need to be an hour long and I need to do it weekly.

00:47:56.364 --> 00:47:59.404

<v Katie>And if I need to be consistent, like I need to show up every single Thursday

00:47:59.404 --> 00:48:01.964

<v Katie>and I have to be there at, you know, at this exact time.

00:48:02.104 --> 00:48:07.184

<v Katie>And it like, and it, you know, and it, and it just feels like forever.

00:48:08.044 --> 00:48:11.004

<v Katie>And it, and when you're in it, like real life hits, right?

00:48:11.084 --> 00:48:15.384

<v Katie>So, so Nat and I always joke on our show that we're there most Thursdays at 9 PM, right?

00:48:15.424 --> 00:48:20.264

<v Katie>We made an intentional decision that we're not, we didn't want to do seasons.

00:48:20.264 --> 00:48:25.404

<v Katie>We didn't want to necessarily do like this kind of this break that.

00:48:25.809 --> 00:48:31.349

<v Katie>But we give ourselves permission in the format and in how we talk to our audience

00:48:31.349 --> 00:48:35.909

<v Katie>and in how we've built our community that if something comes up,

00:48:35.989 --> 00:48:39.809

<v Katie>like if I'm traveling and I don't have to, I'm not going to have time to watch the movie.

00:48:39.869 --> 00:48:42.869

<v Katie>I'm not going to have time to like give the episode what, how I want,

00:48:42.969 --> 00:48:46.969

<v Katie>you know, the, the amount of time that I want to be able to spend with my people,

00:48:47.189 --> 00:48:50.089

<v Katie>like we're going to skip that week and that's going to be fine.

00:48:50.209 --> 00:48:55.429

<v Katie>Right. So for me, I think, and I really do think that this is a trend is in

00:48:55.429 --> 00:48:58.909

<v Katie>being more intentional with what your show is going to look like.

00:48:59.029 --> 00:49:02.109

<v Katie>And that doesn't necessarily mean like seasons or no seasons.

00:49:02.129 --> 00:49:07.729

<v Katie>I think it means you need to figure out where are the times that you are going

00:49:07.729 --> 00:49:12.469

<v Katie>to have, you know, Brandon was calling it like in the game versus postseason.

00:49:12.469 --> 00:49:18.449

<v Katie>Like you are going to need, it is unrealistic unless you're doc to assume for

00:49:18.449 --> 00:49:22.169

<v Katie>most of us that you're going to do a show every single day for forever.

00:49:22.509 --> 00:49:25.689

<v Katie>And you're always going to be there and nothing is going to get in the way of that.

00:49:25.809 --> 00:49:30.849

<v Katie>So you need to have a plan. You need to be able to think through what, like,

00:49:31.149 --> 00:49:34.749

<v Katie>when are those moments where you might intentionally want to break so that you

00:49:34.749 --> 00:49:40.469

<v Katie>can do deep work and brainstorming and planning for the episode so that you can go to, you know,

00:49:40.649 --> 00:49:44.709

<v Katie>a conference or an event or a meetup to meet the people that might be guests

00:49:44.709 --> 00:49:50.469

<v Katie>on your show so that you can, you know, like both go on vacation and spend some

00:49:50.469 --> 00:49:53.469

<v Katie>time away from all of it to reset and come out refreshed.

00:49:53.629 --> 00:49:55.929

<v Katie>And that might be that you do it in seasons.

00:49:56.189 --> 00:50:01.249

<v Katie>That might be that you do, you know, a holiday break, or that might mean like

00:50:01.249 --> 00:50:04.209

<v Katie>what Nat and I do, where it's just like, hey, I'm committing to the audience

00:50:04.209 --> 00:50:07.729

<v Katie>that I'm going to be here most Thursday nights. And if I'm not, I'll let you know.

00:50:08.629 --> 00:50:11.469

<v Katie>And there are lots of back catalog episodes to catch up. But I think,

00:50:12.269 --> 00:50:15.489

<v Katie>What we're seeing is a trend and why I really wanted to include this is that

00:50:15.489 --> 00:50:19.989

<v Katie>in being more human with each other and with our audiences,

00:50:19.989 --> 00:50:25.309

<v Katie>we now have permission to just be more intentional with when we're creating

00:50:25.309 --> 00:50:30.589

<v Katie>and when we're spending that time to take a break and to make sure that we're

00:50:30.589 --> 00:50:34.069

<v Katie>keeping healthy and not overdoing it.

00:50:34.229 --> 00:50:38.149

<v Katie>We're not just like, you shouldn't just show up because you've committed to show up.

00:50:38.269 --> 00:50:41.509

<v Katie>You should show up because you're passionate about it and because you want to

00:50:41.509 --> 00:50:44.949

<v Katie>show up. And because you have value and you want to connect with your audience.

00:50:45.069 --> 00:50:53.489

<v Katie>And if you don't intentionally plan that out or at least give yourself permission to take breaks,

00:50:53.649 --> 00:50:59.149

<v Katie>I think all of us reach a point where you do feel like it just gets so sort

00:50:59.149 --> 00:51:01.689

<v Katie>of repetitive and you do lose some of that creativity.

00:51:01.689 --> 00:51:08.309

<v Katie>So I, I just want for everyone to know that like consistency does not mean I'm

00:51:08.309 --> 00:51:11.329

<v Katie>going to do this every single day for an hour a day forever.

00:51:11.869 --> 00:51:17.029

<v Katie>Consistency means I care about this show and I am going to show up for my audience

00:51:17.029 --> 00:51:21.429

<v Katie>and I'm going to connect with my community, but I'm also going to protect myself

00:51:21.429 --> 00:51:23.189

<v Katie>and my space and my creativity.

00:51:23.449 --> 00:51:26.529

<v Katie>And I'm going to, you know, to spend time to reset here and there.

00:51:26.529 --> 00:51:30.149

<v Katie>So taking breaks doesn't mean disappearing was the note that I put in.

00:51:30.269 --> 00:51:34.229

<v Katie>So it doesn't, you know, you can be a healthy creator. You can be a successful creator.

00:51:34.389 --> 00:51:38.469

<v Katie>You can be successful in this space without being there all of the time.

00:51:38.469 --> 00:51:40.529

<v Katie>You can do it in seasons. You can do it in breaks.

00:51:40.689 --> 00:51:46.749

<v Katie>You can do it if you're fine. You can be like Doc and stay, you know,

00:51:46.829 --> 00:51:50.089

<v Katie>stay live or create videos all the time if that's what makes sense for your brain.

00:51:50.189 --> 00:51:54.709

<v Katie>But be human in this space. We are not robots. And I think we should give ourselves

00:51:54.709 --> 00:51:58.289

<v Katie>permission to not be robots, to be ourselves and to be human.

00:51:59.984 --> 00:52:03.504

<v Katie>But I wanted to include that because I know that like, you know,

00:52:03.644 --> 00:52:07.464

<v Katie>people we talk a lot about, I know Doc doesn't particularly care for words like

00:52:07.464 --> 00:52:08.524

<v Katie>overwhelmed or burnout.

00:52:08.724 --> 00:52:13.184

<v Katie>But I think that the intention behind that is we're not giving ourselves time

00:52:13.184 --> 00:52:18.144

<v Katie>in that postseason to be like, oh, wow, I'm killing it.

00:52:18.224 --> 00:52:21.684

<v Katie>And I have like a bunch of these incredible ideas and I need to talk to these

00:52:21.684 --> 00:52:26.544

<v Katie>people or I need to just, you know, like I'm in an analog space right now where

00:52:26.544 --> 00:52:29.164

<v Katie>like I need to step away from my computer or my phone.

00:52:29.164 --> 00:52:33.904

<v Katie>My camera and all of it and go for a walk or crochet a project or something

00:52:33.904 --> 00:52:37.364

<v Katie>to let my brain like calm down a bit.

00:52:37.524 --> 00:52:39.744

<v Katie>And that's when the best ideas come to me.

00:52:39.924 --> 00:52:44.044

<v Katie>So I don't know. For me, I'm going to give myself that time and space this year.

00:52:44.204 --> 00:52:47.244

<v Katie>I hope all of you do too, whatever that means for you.

00:52:47.944 --> 00:52:52.064

<v Katie>And the cool thing is, I really do think that it's at least one of my predictions

00:52:52.064 --> 00:52:57.324

<v Katie>for this year is I think more people are going to be doing that and more audiences

00:52:57.324 --> 00:52:59.804

<v Katie>are going to be much more forgiving of it because,

00:53:00.084 --> 00:53:07.004

<v Katie>again, they're caring more about the people than the grind and the slop and

00:53:07.004 --> 00:53:09.624

<v Katie>everything that comes out of the other side of pushing yourself too hard.

00:53:10.856 --> 00:53:15.796

<v Doc>Yeah, you know, and again, like, I want to just clarify for anybody who doesn't

00:53:15.796 --> 00:53:19.856

<v Doc>know, the reason why I don't like the term burnout is people co-opted it,

00:53:19.996 --> 00:53:21.916

<v Doc>and it doesn't mean what they think it means.

00:53:22.376 --> 00:53:25.476

<v Doc>Like, first of all, it's not actually in the DSM-5. It's not a thing.

00:53:25.616 --> 00:53:29.376

<v Doc>But clinical burnout, there is a symptoms that come with clinical burnout,

00:53:29.596 --> 00:53:37.036

<v Doc>and that those symptoms are exhaustion and cynicism and reduced effectiveness.

00:53:37.036 --> 00:53:41.136

<v Doc>Yeah now not not

00:53:41.136 --> 00:53:44.236

<v Doc>creating a video because you're scared is not

00:53:44.236 --> 00:53:46.956

<v Doc>burnout right not creating a video because you

00:53:46.956 --> 00:53:51.616

<v Doc>procrastinated so long that you're embarrassed by you know you're you're not

00:53:51.616 --> 00:53:54.236

<v Doc>showing up and you're you telling your audience you're going to be there that's

00:53:54.236 --> 00:53:58.896

<v Doc>not burnout and you know not creating a video because you know you took on all

00:53:58.896 --> 00:54:01.736

<v Doc>these sponsored things and now you're no longer feeling it that's still not

00:54:01.736 --> 00:54:04.796

<v Doc>burnout and unfortunately people have co-opted that terminology

00:54:05.316 --> 00:54:09.856

<v Doc>and they use it in a manner that's not fair to people who actually have the

00:54:09.856 --> 00:54:12.156

<v Doc>clinical definition of burnout.

00:54:12.416 --> 00:54:16.896

<v Doc>And that's the same thing with overwhelm. Looking at a bunch of buttons on the

00:54:16.896 --> 00:54:22.336

<v Doc>screen and calling that overwhelm is not the same thing as a hurricane or a tsunami.

00:54:22.776 --> 00:54:23.936

<v Katie>It's actually being overwhelmed.

00:54:23.996 --> 00:54:29.996

<v Doc>I'm sorry, I've been to war. So like a bunch of buttons on the screen scares you. I'm sorry, bro.

00:54:30.176 --> 00:54:34.276

<v Doc>That just, it doesn't, I just feel like you're giving up before you even tried.

00:54:34.276 --> 00:54:38.776

<v Doc>And my fear is that, and not fear, I don't like that terminology either.

00:54:39.056 --> 00:54:43.476

<v Doc>My concern is that people will latch onto that word because they heard somebody

00:54:43.476 --> 00:54:46.016

<v Doc>that they look up to latch onto that word, latch.

00:54:46.456 --> 00:54:51.096

<v Doc>And then I go to look at the person who's worried about burnout and I look at

00:54:51.096 --> 00:54:53.196

<v Doc>their content and they're four videos in.

00:54:53.950 --> 00:54:57.010

<v Doc>I'm like, bro, you ain't even broke a sweat. What are you talking about?

00:54:57.730 --> 00:55:01.550

<v Doc>Like, come on. Like, now you're just looking for an excuse. And instead,

00:55:01.930 --> 00:55:04.410

<v Doc>just nut up and be like, yeah, I don't feel like doing it.

00:55:04.870 --> 00:55:08.950

<v Doc>That's better. But lying to yourself and telling yourself that you're sick or

00:55:08.950 --> 00:55:12.450

<v Doc>you're burnt out, you got some disease you don't have, it's just not good.

00:55:12.450 --> 00:55:14.650

<v Doc>It's not good at all because, you know what, you just made it.

00:55:14.750 --> 00:55:16.370

<v Doc>You made something that you can't overcome.

00:55:17.050 --> 00:55:20.830

<v Doc>Right? If you just say, I don't feel like it, you can always overcome don't

00:55:20.830 --> 00:55:25.690

<v Doc>feel like it. So you're giving yourself an obstacle that doesn't exist because

00:55:25.690 --> 00:55:27.630

<v Doc>you heard somebody else use the obstacle.

00:55:28.710 --> 00:55:34.730

<v Doc>And for the longest time, I use this exact example because it's so true.

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<v Doc>For the longest time, I didn't eat Brussels sprouts because what I knew of Brussels

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<v Doc>sprouts was my mom boiling that frozen brick of Clarence Bird's Eye Brussels sprouts,

00:55:45.650 --> 00:55:48.410

<v Doc>boiling it in water, slapping it on a plate, hit it with a little bit of salt.

00:55:48.750 --> 00:55:50.530

<v Doc>There's your food. That's disgusting.

00:55:51.370 --> 00:55:55.370

<v Doc>And then for years, for years and years and years, I avoided them.

00:55:55.490 --> 00:55:59.370

<v Doc>And then I had roasted Brussels sprouts with bacon and a nice balsamic drizzle.

00:55:59.910 --> 00:56:06.290

<v Doc>And I was like, yo, that's not what mama made. I mean, I skipped out on 35 years of Brussels sprouts.

00:56:07.535 --> 00:56:11.315

<v Doc>Because we all, kids told each other that it was nasty because all our parents

00:56:11.315 --> 00:56:15.535

<v Doc>in the 80s, 70s, 80s did the same thing. They boiled bird's eye vegetables.

00:56:15.795 --> 00:56:19.975

<v Doc>So no wonder our whole generation, many Gen X kids grew up hating vegetables

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<v Doc>because our moms was making frozen bricks.

00:56:23.195 --> 00:56:23.635

<v Katie>Yep.

00:56:23.815 --> 00:56:28.235

<v Doc>And now, you know, the vegans and the Katie and Cheryl came out and told us

00:56:28.235 --> 00:56:31.215

<v Doc>how you can make it taste good. I was like, oh, this is phenomenal.

00:56:31.795 --> 00:56:33.415

<v Doc>Baby cabbages are off the hook.

00:56:35.075 --> 00:56:36.435

<v Katie>Baby cabbages for the win.

00:56:36.435 --> 00:56:41.035

<v Doc>You just can't adopt something that somebody tells you to be afraid of and be

00:56:41.035 --> 00:56:42.795

<v Doc>afraid of it because you're missing out.

00:56:43.375 --> 00:56:47.075

<v Doc>And as a traveler, all the people that are afraid to travel because somebody

00:56:47.075 --> 00:56:51.275

<v Doc>told them that someplace is scary, it's unfortunate.

00:56:51.295 --> 00:56:54.915

<v Doc>So I just try to take those words away from people so they don't block themselves

00:56:54.915 --> 00:56:57.315

<v Doc>from doing what they're supposed to do before they even get started.

00:56:57.435 --> 00:56:59.095

<v Doc>That's the primary concern.

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<v Doc>So we got to wrap it up. I want to know which of these things do you feel like

00:57:04.895 --> 00:57:09.035

<v Doc>you're going to lean into the most for the new year?

00:57:10.835 --> 00:57:13.575

<v Katie>I think for me,

00:57:15.975 --> 00:57:27.035

<v Katie>more video content that is just me, more reliance on AI tools for the assist.

00:57:27.435 --> 00:57:32.775

<v Katie>So I'm going to really double down on creating, using all of those bots and

00:57:32.775 --> 00:57:40.095

<v Katie>tools and AI to make the workflow process easier so that I can crank out more

00:57:40.095 --> 00:57:41.795

<v Katie>content that I want to make.

00:57:42.115 --> 00:57:45.535

<v Katie>So it, yeah, I don't know.

00:57:45.615 --> 00:57:51.815

<v Katie>I think more of what I'm already doing, but I feel like now I have permission

00:57:51.815 --> 00:57:54.235

<v Katie>to do it better, to do more of it.

00:57:54.375 --> 00:57:56.675

<v Katie>I don't know. It feels like a safer space.

00:57:57.095 --> 00:58:00.655

<v Katie>2026 feels like a safer space in the last couple of years. I feel like I don't

00:58:00.655 --> 00:58:03.755

<v Katie>need to justify how I'm creating anymore.

00:58:06.040 --> 00:58:09.820

<v Doc>That's it. That's the one. You don't have to justify how you're creating money.

00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:11.740

<v Doc>So I proved my point last year.

00:58:11.980 --> 00:58:18.400

<v Doc>I did 419 videos in a row to prove to people that burnout is mostly noise.

00:58:19.080 --> 00:58:22.140

<v Doc>Right. And that during that time, I recorded a bunch of live videos.

00:58:22.240 --> 00:58:23.320

<v Doc>I recorded a bunch of shorts.

00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:28.740

<v Doc>I didn't count either of those videos in that making a long form video every single freaking day.

00:58:29.520 --> 00:58:33.160

<v Doc>I've made a point to show that you can make videos without over editing them,

00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.900

<v Doc>that you can just say what you got to say and mean what you got to say.

00:58:36.040 --> 00:58:42.380

<v Doc>And I will stand by saying at no point in that in that year and a half or year

00:58:42.380 --> 00:58:45.500

<v Doc>and a quarter did I ever feel like it was a chore.

00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:48.840

<v Doc>Every single one of those I wanted to get down to record them.

00:58:49.576 --> 00:58:53.176

<v Doc>And when I got to Japan, I was going to keep going.

00:58:53.496 --> 00:58:56.716

<v Doc>And then I was like, you know what? I actually need to spend this time with

00:58:56.716 --> 00:59:01.636

<v Doc>the fam because I'm realizing that from this trip that it might be harder for

00:59:01.636 --> 00:59:04.256

<v Doc>Bobs to go on these long trips, right? Because she's 80 now.

00:59:04.696 --> 00:59:07.296

<v Katie>See? Intentionality. It felt weird. Exactly.

00:59:07.516 --> 00:59:08.136

<v Doc>Yeah, intentionality.

00:59:08.176 --> 00:59:14.096

<v Katie>No, but it felt weird, but it was the right thing for you to do because you are not just a creator.

00:59:14.096 --> 00:59:20.536

<v Katie>You are a human. And you have family. And you have like, I think that that was the right decision.

00:59:20.536 --> 00:59:26.636

<v Katie>And I think that that exactly is what I mean by I am, I am betting on and super

00:59:26.636 --> 00:59:32.356

<v Katie>hopeful for a big in for us all this year is just to be really intentional about it.

00:59:32.476 --> 00:59:36.056

<v Katie>Like none of this should take over our entire life. Like that was the right move.

00:59:36.236 --> 00:59:40.656

<v Katie>Spending time with your family and unpacking is going to make you a better creator

00:59:40.656 --> 00:59:43.576

<v Katie>going forward. Like that is going to make you a better person.

00:59:44.316 --> 00:59:48.556

<v Doc>You know, this well as anybody else, I'm a Virgo. I'm sitting at 419.

00:59:48.936 --> 00:59:53.796

<v Doc>The day that I was supposed to do 420 is December 26th. It's the day after Christmas.

00:59:54.536 --> 00:59:54.856

<v Katie>Yep.

00:59:55.276 --> 00:59:58.256

<v Doc>And I'm like, I really should stop and go do this.

00:59:58.816 --> 01:00:02.336

<v Doc>But then we were having the time of our lives. Yeah.

01:00:02.596 --> 01:00:05.836

<v Doc>And we were, you know, we finished dinner and Bob's wanted to go walk around

01:00:05.836 --> 01:00:08.416

<v Doc>in the damn cold and look at the freaking lights.

01:00:08.696 --> 01:00:12.396

<v Doc>And I was like, yeah, but I got to go back to the hotel and do my video. And then...

01:00:14.251 --> 01:00:19.971

<v Doc>The little kid said, Emma, 16, is anybody going to die if you don't make that video?

01:00:20.571 --> 01:00:21.011

<v Katie>Exactly.

01:00:21.231 --> 01:00:24.011

<v Doc>You know, you little shit. She's right. Who taught you how to be a smart ass?

01:00:24.411 --> 01:00:28.531

<v Doc>And then everybody, all of them, moms, Karen, Naina, all of them.

01:00:29.971 --> 01:00:39.071

<v Doc>And I was like, okay. So, yeah, like it was, not closing the loop broke me as a person.

01:00:39.571 --> 01:00:43.511

<v Doc>But then standing there and being you

01:00:43.511 --> 01:00:46.371

<v Doc>know in charge of my family and spending that time

01:00:46.371 --> 01:00:49.551

<v Doc>and also we have family friends that came with us on the trip too right so it

01:00:49.551 --> 01:00:52.391

<v Doc>was literally like you know eight of us and i

01:00:52.391 --> 01:00:56.751

<v Doc>wasn't going to go break their fun just to do one last video to prove a point

01:00:56.751 --> 01:01:00.151

<v Doc>because i already proven my point i already proved my point that you only get

01:01:00.151 --> 01:01:03.911

<v Doc>burned out if you tell yourself you burned out right unless you need to go see

01:01:03.911 --> 01:01:08.711

<v Doc>a shrink you're probably good right like yeah you can close like didn't matter

01:01:08.711 --> 01:01:11.671

<v Doc>make 420 i can make it today call it 420 today call

01:01:11.671 --> 01:01:14.411

<v Katie>420 and close the loop i yeah yeah.

01:01:14.411 --> 01:01:17.491

<v Doc>And that number was completely made up anyway the number

01:01:17.491 --> 01:01:22.471

<v Doc>was a joke and it was made up anyway i did the 365 like i promised and then

01:01:22.471 --> 01:01:26.651

<v Doc>i and then being a smart ass i go i'll do 420 so it was a joke i did 419 i don't

01:01:26.651 --> 01:01:30.011

<v Doc>feel any way left right or different about it nobody can come after me and be

01:01:30.011 --> 01:01:34.511

<v Doc>like oh you failed you know none of that and i was like whatever fam I'm like, let me see your 420.

01:01:34.971 --> 01:01:38.531

<v Doc>Knock yourself out. The only person who can tell me I failed is somebody that did 500.

01:01:40.031 --> 01:01:48.351

<v Katie>Not even like the point of that project and the point of all of us jumping into

01:01:48.351 --> 01:01:50.491

<v Katie>this podcasting, into this show space,

01:01:50.951 --> 01:01:55.351

<v Katie>is to initially is to do it, I hope, because it's something that you're passionate

01:01:55.351 --> 01:01:58.951

<v Katie>about, something that you like is a goal you set for yourself.

01:01:59.451 --> 01:02:04.171

<v Katie>So there's no like, you didn't fail at it. it was a goal that you set for yourself.

01:02:04.631 --> 01:02:08.951

<v Katie>So like, it's not about anyone else. It's about whether or not you're able to hit that goal.

01:02:10.191 --> 01:02:14.951

<v Katie>So again, I don't know. That is similar. I think that nails what I think my

01:02:14.951 --> 01:02:16.331

<v Katie>prediction is for this year.

01:02:16.471 --> 01:02:19.191

<v Katie>It nails what I hope that everyone will set as their intention.

01:02:19.271 --> 01:02:26.951

<v Katie>And that's exactly like how I've felt in doing a collaborated podcast with my

01:02:26.951 --> 01:02:29.751

<v Katie>best friend who has a ton of health issues.

01:02:29.911 --> 01:02:37.871

<v Katie>And sometimes it is better for me to respect her health and her schedule at

01:02:37.871 --> 01:02:41.331

<v Katie>the sacrifice of doing the show than it is for me to just do the show without

01:02:41.331 --> 01:02:43.631

<v Katie>her or to force her to be on.

01:02:43.731 --> 01:02:46.451

<v Katie>That's not what the goal of the show is.

01:02:46.751 --> 01:02:50.031

<v Katie>And that's not a good service to the... Yeah, it's not a good service to the

01:02:50.031 --> 01:02:52.291

<v Katie>community that we're building either. So I...

01:02:53.303 --> 01:02:56.303

<v Katie>I think that that's really smart. I think that that absolutely nails what,

01:02:56.903 --> 01:02:59.283

<v Katie>um, I hope that we all show up this year with intention.

01:02:59.523 --> 01:03:02.763

<v Katie>I changed my answer. That's, that's my one that I want to spend more time of

01:03:02.763 --> 01:03:06.743

<v Katie>this year is just really being much more intense, like giving yourself mercy

01:03:06.743 --> 01:03:09.683

<v Katie>and being a little bit more intentional about it because that's how you're going

01:03:09.683 --> 01:03:10.903

<v Katie>to be in it for the longterm.

01:03:11.083 --> 01:03:15.663

<v Katie>Like those moments of, of giving to yourself and to your family and to your

01:03:15.663 --> 01:03:19.823

<v Katie>creativity are going to feed your passion and you're like,

01:03:19.963 --> 01:03:23.323

<v Katie>it's going to make those videos stronger and better and help you to connect

01:03:23.323 --> 01:03:27.143

<v Katie>with that audience more so um awesome i'm.

01:03:27.143 --> 01:03:30.123

<v Doc>Excited you guys you guys have done it and we

01:03:30.123 --> 01:03:34.443

<v Doc>flow ratted another one and i'm super stoked about this um i can't wait for

01:03:34.443 --> 01:03:37.983

<v Doc>next week we got some cool things coming up of course you guys can always drop

01:03:37.983 --> 01:03:43.503

<v Doc>us questions anytime all you need to do is go to flow.ecam.com and that allows

01:03:43.503 --> 01:03:47.383

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01:03:47.383 --> 01:03:49.363

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01:03:49.483 --> 01:03:53.623

<v Doc>we do put out the other ones on the audio areas as well. You could ask us questions.

01:03:53.823 --> 01:03:57.423

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01:03:57.563 --> 01:04:02.243

<v Doc>So go to flow.ecam.com and thank you for PodPage for helping us put this up.

01:04:02.443 --> 01:04:04.403

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01:04:13.543 --> 01:04:17.183

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<v Doc>Go and check out Shore. You can find out more at Shore.com. And thanks to them

01:04:28.683 --> 01:04:30.903

<v Doc>for being a big supporter of the flow.

01:04:31.223 --> 01:04:34.783

<v Doc>And yeah, there you go. So we've got another one in the can. I like it.

01:04:35.583 --> 01:04:41.663

<v Doc>It's amazing. I'm ready. This is good. This is going to be a fire-oriented year. So I'm excited.

01:04:42.843 --> 01:04:43.403

<v Katie>All in.

01:04:44.403 --> 01:04:49.663

<v Doc>All right, gang. This is how we do it out here. At the end, we go Floor Riders! Out! Out!

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<v Katie>Bye, everyone.