The Flow: Episode 122 - The One-Take Mindset: Confidence, Clarity & Creative Flow | The Flow

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<v Doc>Aloha Flowriders and welcome to The Flow. It is now time to get another Flow

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<v Doc>in the can. I can't believe I'm looking at this.

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<v Doc>My favorite number is 22 and 8 and we're on 122.

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<v Katie>122, baby. 122. And that's with breaks.

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<v Doc>That's pretty awesome. That's crazy, right? We're going to do this for a couple

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<v Doc>of weeks to see how we like it and see if the fans like it.

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<v Katie>This is a very meta show. This is podcasting about podcasting about podcasting about podcasting.

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<v Doc>For podcasters yeah it's like uh seinfeld but it

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<v Doc>proves that momentum is king and and i always say to people it's really hard

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<v Doc>to start pushing a parked car but once that sucker gets going you know it's

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<v Doc>harder stopping it so in in a way like this really does prove that point out

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<v Doc>extremely well it's much harder to push a parked car so here we are 122 what

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<v Doc>are we talking about today kate's.

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<v Katie>We are talking about how to use a tool like Ecamm to be able to record once and be done.

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<v Katie>So we're calling it either one take recording or a live to tape or a live to drive.

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<v Katie>But this idea of planning, putting your outline into Ecamm and then just going

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<v Katie>so that we stop the overthinking.

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<v Katie>We've been talking a lot lately about overthinking and perfectionism and panicking.

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<v Katie>So now we're going to be on the other side of it talking about,

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<v Katie>okay, what do you do once you let that go?

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<v Katie>How do we just record? We just record and be done.

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<v Doc>I like this. All right. So, man, there's so many things about that.

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<v Doc>Last week, we were doing Creators Unstuck, Lou and I, and I was talking to people

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<v Doc>about, you know, I've been listening to Gary a lot.

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<v Doc>And Gary Vee has been really on this mission of telling people that you need

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<v Doc>to put out more random content and see everything was so polished about social media.

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<v Doc>And one of his current rants is also the same as one of my current rants.

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<v Doc>And that is social media isn't very social anymore.

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<v Doc>Social media is very peacocky and performative and, you know,

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<v Doc>hand strutting, acting like, you know, like everything I do is correct and so forth and so on, etc.

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<v Doc>And it's the, yesterday, Brandon was speaking about with Jaden about the sort

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<v Doc>of gurudom, like everybody wants to be a guru.

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<v Doc>And the strange thing is there's people who will watch this.

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<v Doc>Another creator stuff and grok that pretty well.

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<v Doc>I shouldn't use that term, but you know what I mean? Understand it pretty well.

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<v Doc>That's what grok means. It doesn't mean the name of that dude's thing.

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<v Doc>And, and turn that into like, I'm going to create the same content talking about the same thing.

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<v Doc>So I'm basically going to repeat it, but you don't really mean it,

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<v Doc>or you don't really understand it well that you haven't, you know,

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<v Doc>actually practiced it. You're just repeating it without practice.

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<v Doc>And in a very similar way that, you know, people spread strange information

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<v Doc>about UFO sightings and whatnot, it's the same thing that people do with that type of content.

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<v Doc>And so now there's a whole bunch of people telling you how to go viral on the

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<v Doc>Internet, many of which have never gone viral, which, number one,

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<v Doc>you kind of don't want to.

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<v Doc>Like, it's just not really a thing. But that word is just, you know, so popular.

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<v Doc>And and what what happens is there is

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<v Doc>not a lot of sharing the the real you

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<v Doc>so that's why everybody thinks they have to be perfect is we

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<v Doc>had too much of people showing the perfect vacation no one's you sitting in

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<v Doc>the airport with the four-hour delay with your face in a wrinkle well not us

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<v Doc>we would be in the mx lounge drinking that wine but you know you know nobody

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<v Doc>sees everybody it's looking weird, you know, everybody just like, oh, look here.

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<v Doc>I'm in my, you know, famous, beautiful place pan out. Show the dirt on the ground,

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<v Doc>you know, kind of thing. Yeah.

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<v Doc>Look, we're at Disney. Show the Disney line. Show that.

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<v Katie>Yeah.

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<v Doc>Show the pouring down rain and and Louise trying to keep Aiden dry while we're

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<v Doc>getting drenched, having a good time.

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<v Doc>But we're getting drenched, you know, so those those are more fun. Right.

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<v Doc>So you don't really see that. So, yeah, that's cool.

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<v Katie>I think we're in this like really perfect time right now and honestly getting

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<v Katie>better and better as it takes on. Not perfectionist-y time, perfect time.

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<v Katie>In that we have this huge rise of AI and of, I mean, even more with now with

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<v Katie>Sora and the updates that are happening there.

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<v Katie>Like, it is becoming more and more a space where we are not trusting of what

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<v Katie>the content is on the other side, right?

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<v Katie>We don't know whether or not that was created by robots or created by people, right?

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<v Katie>So we're in a robots versus people kind of world and scenario,

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<v Katie>which means that the more raw and real and live that you're willing to be,

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<v Katie>the better because you can show up as what is inherently human, right?

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<v Katie>Like messiness, inconsistencies, you know, squirrels, right? all of it. Like we, we

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<v Doc>Now have permission moving around in a document just now. I was like, exactly.

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<v Katie>Exactly. Right. Like we now have permission to be able to just show up as ourselves.

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<v Katie>And I think that that's really freeing for a lot of people who were really trying

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<v Katie>very, very hard to look really polished and to look really professional because

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<v Katie>they felt like that was what, and I include myself in this, but like,

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<v Katie>we all felt like that was what would give us

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<v Katie>credibility, credibility and would earn trust was this idea of like,

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<v Katie>I'm an expert. I know what I'm talking about.

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<v Katie>I'm, you know, I'm showing up professionally. I'm wearing my business suit.

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<v Katie>You know, we talked about how the video is the new business suit.

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<v Katie>I think now we're in a space where we can shake that off a little bit.

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<v Katie>What really matters is being able to connect with people, build an audience,

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<v Katie>you know, share your passion, share your knowledge, but don't feel like you

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<v Katie>need to be anything other than yourself.

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<v Katie>And so I, if you have not been feeling that yet, I give you permission to feel

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<v Katie>that, be the anti-robot and let's all use AI and all these tools

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<v Katie>To help us become better people, better humans in the video space, right?

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<v Katie>Like, let's use them for all the other things that we don't need to be doing

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<v Katie>to help us be more creative and be more present and be more human in these spaces.

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<v Katie>So I think it's a cool time to be using Ecamm.

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<v Katie>It's a cool time to be live streaming and to be creating all of this content

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<v Katie>because we just have permission to just be ourselves and be a little messy about it.

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<v Katie>It doesn't have to be great all the time. It can be a little messy.

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<v Doc>You know, it's funny when you say that, because I think about the,

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<v Doc>okay, so everyone knows that probably the most genius person that we know of

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<v Doc>would be considered to be Einstein.

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<v Doc>And he was somewhat of a perfectionist. But if you know anything about his biography, he's an absolute mess.

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<v Doc>And he was a walking train wreck.

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<v Doc>And he showed it. He never really hit it.

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<v Doc>That's why everybody in the beginning didn't think he was, you know, this brilliant person.

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<v Doc>Also, he was going against the people in this country that were trying to do heinous things.

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<v Doc>They weren't about that. But yeah, like here, the most smart,

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<v Doc>the most smartest, I almost said that wrong.

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<v Doc>The smartest person that we could probably put on record, like one of the most

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<v Doc>brilliant genius people in the world, absolute mess. And if you go through history,

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<v Doc>you think about the people who are the real experts, like the brilliant geniuses.

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<v Doc>They tend to be messy. And think of Columbo.

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<v Doc>You might be too young for Columbo. I know Columbo. Okay, just checking.

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<v Doc>Paul knows Columbo on a first name basis. But you think about Columbo, and that was a thing.

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<v Doc>It's always the brilliant one in these characters throughout history have always

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<v Doc>been a little bit messy, but they were super brilliant. you know,

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<v Doc>Edgar Allan Poe, one of my favorites, right?

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<v Doc>Absolute mess, you know, just absolute mess. So it goes to show that you can

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<v Doc>still be that person who is the best at their, you know, game and live tops,

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<v Doc>but you don't have to walk like, I was going to say walk like an Egyptian.

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<v Doc>You don't have to, you don't have to come by looking like a robot.

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<v Doc>All right. So what's the first tip you have for someone when it comes to the

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<v Doc>one stake mindset, or is there any groundwork we should do first?

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<v Katie>Yeah, I've been thinking about this a lot because this was actually a pretty big shift for me.

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<v Katie>So I'm going to give a little bit of background. So I apologize if it's repetitive

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<v Katie>for some people who have been on this journey with me.

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<v Katie>But when I first joined the Ecamm team, I have come from a copywriting and writing

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<v Katie>background, right? So I was blogging, doing social media.

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<v Katie>I worked in publishing for a while. So for me, video already was really intimidating.

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<v Katie>I don't, you know, I did not have the skill set to know, you know,

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<v Katie>how to record video. I didn't know what a run of show was, any of this kind of stuff.

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<v Katie>And I jumped immediately into the world of live streaming. So I was figuring all of that out.

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<v Katie>And that definitely is a different space than a recorded video.

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<v Katie>And now I'm on this other side where now I do a decent amount of recorded video as well as live video.

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<v Katie>But the midpoint, and I think a decent starting, I say all that because I think

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<v Katie>a decent starting point is really thinking through video production in Ecamm

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<v Katie>as preparing for a presentation, right?

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<v Katie>So the way that Ecamm works and the way that it's structured is in this idea

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<v Katie>of profiles, scenes, and overlays, right? We've been talking a ton about this

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<v Katie>across all the Ecamm channels forever.

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<v Katie>So your recording or your show or whatever it is that you're doing is your profile.

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<v Katie>That's like everything that you have. But then I really want you to think about

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<v Katie>the scenes as like presentation slides, because if you can get yourself in that

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<v Katie>mindset and think about it in the structure and the order of how those go,

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<v Katie>you want your intro, which is ideally your hook.

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<v Katie>Doc would say that's your hook. how you're hooking them in, right?

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<v Katie>This could work for live video or for regular video, but you want your hook.

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<v Katie>Then you want no more than three points.

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<v Katie>Okay. So the three things you're going to go through and talk about,

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<v Katie>and then you want your outro, which is probably just a reiteration of your hook, right?

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<v Katie>So like it, that's it. And that's it. That's the structure of any video,

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<v Katie>whether it's a short video,

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<v Katie>a long video, a live stream, a tutorial, whatever you hook no more than three

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<v Katie>points reiteration of hook at the end is a closing statement cta okay call to

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<v Katie>action at the end right so those are your scenes you've already you already

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<v Katie>have them structured and the cool thing about it is back when i was trying to

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<v Katie>record videos and be perfect

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<v Katie>i would write out the entire script right like my i had an outline and then

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<v Katie>i would write out a script because i'm a writer and then i literally would sit there like this

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<v Katie>I still do this all the time. I like put my face into the microphone because

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<v Katie>I wouldn't read the script properly.

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<v Katie>I didn't have the script memorized the way I wanted, or I would say it.

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<v Katie>And then I'd be like, I don't like how I say that. And I would just hit the

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<v Katie>end button or I'd hit the pause button and then I'd feel horrible.

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<v Katie>Right. But the cool thing is if you don't have a script, if you just use your

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<v Katie>run of show and your scenes as your outline,

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<v Katie>then you don't have the talking points in your head that you're going to say

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<v Katie>wrong, quote unquote, say wrong.

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<v Katie>So you can just work your way through it. Like call your, your hook scene,

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<v Katie>literally name that scene in Ecamm, the hook, right?

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<v Katie>Like what, like why we're screwing everything up and the truth behind it,

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<v Katie>whatever that, you know, write it out as your hook and then write,

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<v Katie>name the scenes, your three points.

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<v Katie>So they literally are your outline visually in front of you in Ecamm and just flow through it.

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<v Katie>And the cool thing is, is we're adding all the graphics and the,

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<v Katie>you can even add them as bullet points as overlays in Ecamm, right?

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<v Katie>And add it all out. But then once you get in the habit of doing that,

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<v Katie>you find that you actually don't need the detailed outline on the side.

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<v Katie>You don't need the teleprompter. You don't need all these other things because

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<v Katie>you've just gotten in the habit of you know what you're going to say anyway.

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<v Katie>That's why you're making the video.

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<v Katie>You have some level of expertise or knowledge in it, right?

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<v Katie>Hook, three points, reiteration of hook, call to action.

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<v Katie>Literally use it as like your, how you flow through your content,

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<v Katie>your run of show, your presentation, all of that can literally just be built

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<v Katie>out in Ecamm and then you're done.

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<v Katie>You're done. So you go from like the pain of like, I just need to do this again. I need one more take.

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<v Katie>I said it wrong. Like all of that, like, which I have been there with you into

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<v Katie>just like, if you can get really good at thinking about your slides,

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<v Katie>your presentation slides, your scenes in Ecamm, the rest of it is easy. I promise.

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<v Katie>Cause I've been doing it a bunch lately. And it, if I can do it, you can do it.

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<v Katie>And like, obviously there's gear and tech and everything that Doc is super knowledgeable

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<v Katie>about, but that's the core. It's the core.

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<v Katie>It's just getting in the habit of being able to practice.

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<v Doc>And we've seen this get derailed in public so many times. Okay,

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<v Doc>prime example. I'll give you two prime examples.

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<v Doc>I'll show you the one that doesn't work and the one that works.

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<v Doc>The one that doesn't work, the presenter, very knowledgeable presenter.

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<v Doc>And they made this slide deck that's like epic so that it looks really good

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<v Doc>on a giant screen inside the pavilion, right? And both of us have watched this

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<v Doc>train wreck happen at large events.

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<v Katie>Oh, probably have done it as well. Not just watched, probably have done it ourselves.

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<v Doc>3,000 people sitting there in the chairs or more, and they got the gigantic

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<v Doc>screens and, you know, they're doing their presentation and they don't want

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<v Doc>to get it wrong. So they don't remember what they wrote.

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<v Doc>So they spend half of their presentation looking at the screens and reading

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<v Doc>you what it already says in the slides.

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<v Doc>This is why Doc doesn't put more than five words in a slide.

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<v Doc>I don't have to read it. I can see what it is. the minute it pops up on the floor, right?

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<v Doc>And that way the conversation is always toward the audience and not the back

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<v Doc>of my head, which has that weird bump for when I got crashed in football.

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<v Doc>So that one, and the other one where it actually works, we've all been to a

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<v Doc>wedding and you know, the best man or the bridesmaid pulled a little paper out

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<v Doc>and then they start and then they, and then they just,

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<v Doc>throw it down, grab the beer, and just start talking. And they pace back and

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<v Doc>forth, and they snitch, and they talk about that one time in Cancun that they

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<v Doc>weren't supposed to talk about and the whole nine yards, but it's much better.

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<v Doc>Whole room full of people crying, bride and groom are happy,

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<v Doc>a whole different thing. Why?

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<v Doc>Because they crawled up that stupid piece of paper, and they went to the heart

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<v Doc>because it's their best person. This person picked you to tell the story of

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<v Doc>their relationship, dummy.

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<v Doc>You don't need a paper and notes. You were there.

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<v Doc>You were there when they tried to break up. You were there when they stayed

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<v Doc>together. You were there for the birth of the children, like the whole nine

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<v Doc>yards, like just throw the damn paper away. And I do so many weddings.

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<v Doc>I have seen the ones that crash because the bridezilla or groomzilla tried to

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<v Doc>make them stay on script because they were scared they were going to talk about

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<v Doc>that one time in Jamaica.

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<v Doc>And it just never works. But when you let the people just say what they got

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<v Doc>to say and crumple up the paper and just kind of maybe some of the guys got

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<v Doc>their jokes on a piece of paper.

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<v Doc>Those are fine. But if you try to read the whole thing, it never works,

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<v Doc>especially if somebody starts bawling.

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<v Doc>The dumbest ones be a half an hour. And then Natalie at high school,

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<v Doc>we still listen to the mom.

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<v Doc>And I'm like, swap her out. Like we got we got a schedule. Swap her out.

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<v Doc>You know, I'm sitting there as the emcee losing my mind.

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<v Doc>So, yeah, that's why you really do have to just sort of bring it out.

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<v Doc>And now before we dip into the confidence part, because this one drives me bananas.

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<v Doc>This is a massive pet peeve of mine.

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<v Doc>Because we have been sold a massive bill of goods.

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<v Doc>I talked to somebody yesterday in the chat with Brandon. They were talking about

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<v Doc>having to get the confidence to do XYZ.

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<v Doc>And they wanted to take a class on how to get the confidence from XYZ.

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<v Doc>And I'm like, man, it should be against the law. I'm sorry, people.

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<v Doc>I got friends who do it. I will fight them toe-to-toe myself.

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<v Doc>It should be against the law to sell a class on confidence.

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<v Doc>It is not it is not something you can buy is not something you can learn as

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<v Doc>a matter of fact everybody has confidence you have the confidence to stand in

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<v Doc>your trust that you can't do it,

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<v Doc>when you say i can't you are trusting the fact that you can't do it confidence

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<v Doc>means self-trust so you're trusting that you can't do it now i told katie i

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<v Doc>was going to give her a fastball a softball a curveball I speak English it's

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<v Doc>6 in the morning leave me alone please give me a.

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<v Katie>Softball instead of a curveball I would appreciate a softball

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<v Doc>I was going to give Katie a curveball about this confidence thing because I

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<v Doc>want to prove that everybody has confidence okay so,

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<v Doc>what is the weirdest thing that my niece and nephew have stuck into their mouth or nose.

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<v Katie>Oh gosh that is an interesting one my kids have been really good about it

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<v Katie>I don't think my kids have done anything super weird.

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<v Doc>Yeah, Kira was born an engineer. He probably...

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<v Katie>Yeah, I have weird kids in that.

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<v Katie>But I will... So I'll give you two examples. What about you when you was a kid?

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<v Katie>Yeah, for me and my brother.

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<v Katie>So I used my mom's nail polish, nail polish, y'all, to paint my eyelids because

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<v Katie>I thought it was eyeshadow and ended up in the ER.

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<v Katie>And then my brother, I don't even... He was little, little.

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<v Katie>He put a wire like if you could remember the old wire hangers through his lip

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<v Katie>like right through like like ended up in the ER don't know why don't know don't

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<v Katie>know what he was thinking so yeah so my kids have been good but I definitely tortured my parents but

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<v Doc>You see what I mean you as a little kid until somebody tells you otherwise you

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<v Doc>have the confidence to do some dumb things I put a howl on my neck with the

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<v Doc>clothespin and jumped out the second story window because Batman.

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<v Doc>Me and my cousin was playing Batman and Robin. And I'm like,

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<v Doc>yo, the cape, that's where the flying comes from, the cape, dog. I can fly.

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<v Doc>Shoom. Lucky there's a bush. I got a little bit hurt. The ass whipping after

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<v Doc>hurt more than the bushes.

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<v Doc>But, yeah, see, everyone has confidence. It gets taken away from you in third grade when Mrs.

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<v Doc>Rosen sends you to the blackboard to, you know, do some stuff.

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<v Doc>Someone laughs at you. Being a kid that wore glasses at that time and,

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<v Doc>you know, I'm partially dyslexic and ADHD and the whole nine yards.

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<v Doc>And they're like, oh, he's supposed to be smart. He can't even read because

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<v Doc>you're at the board. I can't make those things work. And I didn't wear my glasses

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<v Doc>because, well, four eyes.

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<v Doc>Right. You got called four eyes.

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<v Doc>You got called all kind of like satellite dishes, all these weird names.

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<v Doc>So you're trying to read the problem on the board with no glasses and you just seem like you're dumb.

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<v Doc>But of my paper, I can see it. You know, I get the highest grade in the class. Right.

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<v Doc>So the confidence was taken away by somebody else.

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<v Doc>So I just really want people to stop with this idea that you don't,

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<v Doc>you don't, I'm laughing at Paul, this idea that you don't have it. You have it.

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<v Doc>You have the confidence to stand there and keep telling yourself that you can't do it.

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<v Doc>And that alone is a big deal.

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<v Katie>Give it back to yourself. So here are two ways that you can give the confidence back to yourself.

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<v Katie>So you have to just do the thing that like, I'll preface that by saying you

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<v Katie>have to do the thing, whether it's recording or live streaming,

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<v Katie>whatever form you choose.

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<v Katie>But have some friends and people that you trust be cheerleaders for you in the

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<v Katie>comments, whether that's watching it and cheering you on later or actively cheering

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<v Katie>you on in the live comments.

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<v Katie>That will go a long way. Like there is nothing more rewarding and confidence

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<v Katie>building than when you're presenting information and having someone pop up in

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<v Katie>the comments and say, oh my gosh, that's a great point. Or that really helped me.

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<v Katie>Or like, you know, laughing at a funny thing you've said, like that will go

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<v Katie>a long way in building your confidence and reminding you like,

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<v Katie>oh yeah, I'm here to deliver value. I'm here to help people out.

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<v Katie>Put those people in the chat and tell them that you're feeling not confident

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<v Katie>and you really want them to, you know, to be honest, but to say helpful things

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<v Katie>and to contribute to the conversation.

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<v Katie>If you don't have people or you don't feel confident enough to even ask those

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<v Katie>people, this is where the robots are awesome, everyone. Let me just tell you.

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<v Katie>So there have been episodes of this show, I'm just going to be super vulnerable

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<v Katie>with all of you, where we have gone, in my opinion, super off track.

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<v Katie>And I've looked at my outline.

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<v Katie>I've been like, oh no, Doc and I have not given any value in this episode.

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<v Katie>We've just like chatted away or like said things that I didn't think were helpful or whatever.

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<v Katie>And then we grab the transcript, which you can do with 8 million different tools,

00:21:19.346 --> 00:21:20.746

<v Katie>grab the transcript of your video,

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<v Katie>put it into whatever your AI friend of choice is, mine is ChatGPT,

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<v Katie>and have it write you a summary or a blog post or an email of what you talked about in the video.

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<v Katie>And you sound awesome when the robots go through your actual video content and

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<v Katie>summarize it all for everyone. You'd be amazed where you're like,

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<v Katie>wow, this video is super helpful.

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<v Katie>Look at all these points. So even if you went off track and you don't think

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<v Katie>the actual video itself was helpful,

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<v Katie>I'm willing to bet you that it was. I'm willing to bet that maybe you just said

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<v Katie>too many things and didn't get right to the point, or you and your co-host had

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<v Katie>a funny moment where you talked about something different.

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<v Katie>I'm willing to bet that Opus will find those clips for you.

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<v Katie>Taja will write you a blog article. Chat GPT will do a summary. So send both.

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<v Katie>But, you know, share with your community later the full video,

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<v Katie>the clips, the blog post, So that people can get the value out of the video,

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<v Katie>even if you didn't check all the boxes in your mind, even if you didn't hit

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<v Katie>all the points in your outline, I'm willing to bet

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<v Katie>that you still created content that was helpful to people. So this is a great

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<v Katie>instance of using AI for helping remind you that you are doing much better than you think you are.

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<v Katie>Because it never ceases to amaze me. Caleb pulls together the email for this show.

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<v Katie>You can sign up, flow.ecam.com to our emails.

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<v Katie>And they always sound like we said genius things, even when I don't feel like we did.

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<v Katie>So if you need a cheerleader, there are lots of AI cheerleaders out there.

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<v Katie>And then there are obviously also human cheerleaders.

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<v Doc>Even if you convolute it, which I do, the core message is there.

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<v Doc>And if you feel like the core message is missed, if you feel like the core message

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<v Doc>is missed, the chatbots can help you roll it back into something that you then

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<v Doc>add as the caption. And then when people see it, it provides context.

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<v Doc>And Paul just put it in the chat. You never know who needed to hear what you

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<v Doc>said. And that's why I end every video with, I don't know who needed to hear this.

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<v Doc>Normally I do because I normally am thinking of Faye before I started the video.

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<v Doc>So if I'm going to make a video, I'm going to speak specifically to Faye.

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<v Doc>So at camp, hey, campers, Faye and I talked about, you know,

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<v Doc>picking her new computer.

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<v Doc>And I'll confess now, don't tell Jill.

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<v Doc>She had asked the community and the community was going a little bit haywire.

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<v Doc>And rather than create a kerfuffle in the community, I'll say,

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<v Doc>Faye, if you sit on this for two weeks, I'm going to see you face to face.

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<v Doc>We're going to sit down at lunch and I will tell you the answer from an Apple

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<v Doc>employee perspective and a current Ecamp employee perspective.

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<v Doc>I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying I have way more information.

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<v Doc>Oh yeah, a MacBook Air works perfectly.

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<v Doc>So she waited and we had this conversation. So now if I were going to go back

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<v Doc>and make that video, even though that conversation already happened based on

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<v Doc>her budget and her needs and how many people in the community play with puppets all day?

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<v Doc>Nobody except Faye. So that's why her needs was different from the person who's

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<v Doc>telling her to buy a MacBook Air that don't work.

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<v Doc>So we had this, you know, this great conversation. I can legit.

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<v Doc>I remember what I told her because, well, I've said that a thousand times to

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<v Doc>a thousand people. But if I go to make the video this time and do it,

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<v Doc>like you say, with the presentation, here are your bullet points.

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<v Doc>Here are the three things that you need to know.

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<v Doc>And it would be like, you know, the current landscape of where computers are,

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<v Doc>where everybody gets wrong about RAM versus hard drives.

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<v Doc>If you're buying a desktop and why you should almost never get a laptop unless

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<v Doc>you abso-freaking-lutely have to be on the road and then close out.

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<v Doc>And then I would just pretend as if I'm talking to Faye again.

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<v Doc>And then it will be fine. You know, and of course, you're going to get all the

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<v Doc>best part about that conversation.

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<v Doc>So many people are going to argue with you about the laptop thing because everybody

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<v Doc>loves to have their laptop.

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<v Doc>But we all know that the desktop has more IO and better cooling.

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<v Doc>So, you know, it's just, you know, but everybody feels that they need a laptop

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<v Doc>because I might take it somewhere.

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<v Doc>I can even guarantee in the chat, except for a handful of people,

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<v Doc>most people's laptop don't leave their house.

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<v Doc>Yours goes all over. You're good.

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<v Katie>Mine goes all over.

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<v Doc>Most people's laptops stay in their house plugged in and then the battery swells or dies early.

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<v Doc>And they're like, oh, how come my battery only lasted two years?

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<v Doc>Because you didn't laptop it.

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<v Doc>You should have bought a mini. It's half the price and the design for what you're actually doing.

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<v Doc>So, yeah, I think that really that concept of just, you know,

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<v Doc>lighting it up, saying what you got to say, remembering that somebody needs

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<v Doc>to hear what you have to say.

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<v Doc>And sometimes even Mary Lou and I would say, I make this video for myself when

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<v Doc>she says all the time, you know what?

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<v Doc>It sounds like I'm yelling at y'all, but I am talking to me too.

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<v Doc>You have to remind yourself to talk to you, too. And of course,

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<v Doc>Luis would say Mac Minis are small enough to travel with.

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<v Katie>I was thinking that as I was like, these days, you could just pack your Mac

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<v Katie>Minis. We've done that, too.

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<v Doc>Yeah, that Mac Minis is much lighter than Aiden is nowadays.

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<v Doc>Aiden is pushing like freaking 60 pounds. Every time Luis picks him up,

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<v Doc>I can see the straight on his back. I was like, oh, Luis is getting old and Aiden's getting heavy.

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<v Katie>Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. I like, I, again, like I, I have now gotten into

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<v Katie>this space and like, and mindset where

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<v Katie>I, I do like, so it's, you know, planning, practicing, um, and,

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<v Katie>and giving yourself like, and the, the AI robots have told me that the third

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<v Katie>one is position, but really is like your physical space.

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<v Katie>Right. So once you've planned out, like what your video is going to be,

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<v Katie>like you figured out what, you know, what the topic is, you've,

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<v Katie>you know, you've created your simple outline.

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<v Katie>So hook a couple points closing with a call to action, then you, you could practice it.

00:27:09.616 --> 00:27:12.356

<v Katie>Like you can go through and again, like practice it.

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<v Katie>And maybe the first practice is great and you're good to go or,

00:27:15.216 --> 00:27:18.396

<v Katie>you know, or practice it in a live space and then figure out how you,

00:27:18.596 --> 00:27:20.876

<v Katie>you know, what you might want to tweak and change.

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<v Katie>Getting in the habit is how you're going to build confidence,

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<v Katie>like just going and building up that momentum is how you're going to build up your confidence.

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<v Katie>And then the third thing that we haven't talked about yet is really trying to

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<v Katie>figure out your physical space. So we talk a lot about studios and people,

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<v Katie>as Doc just mentioned, like always have 8 million questions about gear and about

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<v Katie>what things that they need to buy.

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<v Katie>And it just hit me the other day that I think a lot of that is checklist behavior.

00:27:48.093 --> 00:27:51.093

<v Katie>So I say this as like a checklister. I'm like the kind of person that loves

00:27:51.093 --> 00:27:54.013

<v Katie>a to-do list and a checklist, and I love crossing things off, right?

00:27:54.193 --> 00:27:58.813

<v Katie>It's really easy when you're thinking about getting into video to be like,

00:27:58.913 --> 00:28:02.853

<v Katie>okay, well, I'm going to need a camera, and I'm going to need a light,

00:28:02.993 --> 00:28:07.193

<v Katie>and I'm going to need a microphone, and I need software, and maybe I need to update my computer.

00:28:07.413 --> 00:28:10.133

<v Katie>You've made this checklist of all these things that are doable,

00:28:10.313 --> 00:28:13.553

<v Katie>right? I'm going to ask advice for these things. I'm going to do all these things.

00:28:13.753 --> 00:28:18.453

<v Katie>And now you've distracted yourself with all of these things that you need,

00:28:18.593 --> 00:28:21.873

<v Katie>quote unquote, to get started with your video, instead of just practicing the

00:28:21.873 --> 00:28:26.333

<v Katie>actual content of the video and recording and getting confident with recording.

00:28:26.513 --> 00:28:31.473

<v Katie>So don't get into checklist mode with your studio space. But if you can,

00:28:32.684 --> 00:28:37.924

<v Katie>Set up a very simple space that you can just step into, turn stuff on and go,

00:28:38.104 --> 00:28:42.884

<v Katie>because that is what's going to help you overcome some of those fears and challenges, et cetera.

00:28:43.064 --> 00:28:48.264

<v Katie>So have it plan. Like when I say plan out, I don't mean giant script in a huge outline.

00:28:48.484 --> 00:28:52.904

<v Katie>I mean, have Ecamm open, have your couple of scenes built out and named for

00:28:52.904 --> 00:28:55.024

<v Katie>your hook, your bullet points and your call to action.

00:28:55.724 --> 00:28:59.384

<v Katie>And when you're first getting started, don't even worry about the camera or the fancy microphone.

00:28:59.564 --> 00:29:03.604

<v Katie>Honestly, like just use your built-in camera and your built-in microphone to

00:29:03.604 --> 00:29:06.104

<v Katie>practice and get feeling better.

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<v Katie>Yeah, Doc is setting it up as we go, right? Use your phone.

00:29:08.724 --> 00:29:15.504

<v Doc>I just wanted to show this, the idea of having a setup, like your phone tripod should be erect.

00:29:15.904 --> 00:29:19.904

<v Doc>Like don't fold it up every time. And I know somebody in your house is mad at you.

00:29:20.024 --> 00:29:23.464

<v Doc>So if you want something easier, this is a little round platform.

00:29:23.464 --> 00:29:26.904

<v Doc>It's just a single stick and the phones, all phones are magnets at this point.

00:29:26.964 --> 00:29:30.904

<v Doc>So you just come in, you thwack it up there and you shoot your short content.

00:29:31.264 --> 00:29:34.964

<v Doc>You gotta shoot long content, you rock it sideways. Anybody that came to camp,

00:29:35.184 --> 00:29:39.224

<v Doc>this is the exact same thing that I had set up with the lights on it at camp.

00:29:39.384 --> 00:29:43.644

<v Doc>My other one that's here has a full camera, a monitor, a microphone and a light.

00:29:43.884 --> 00:29:49.784

<v Doc>And it's designed so that I can make short content without overthinking it. I don't wanna sit down.

00:29:50.064 --> 00:29:53.404

<v Doc>I don't wanna do anything. You wanna be able to just put it,

00:29:54.055 --> 00:29:57.475

<v Doc>press a button, go. If you're constantly setting up, taking down,

00:29:57.595 --> 00:30:00.935

<v Doc>setting up, taking down, setting up, taking down, you will have the excuse of,

00:30:01.135 --> 00:30:02.495

<v Doc>I don't feel like it today.

00:30:02.915 --> 00:30:09.875

<v Doc>And everybody says, oh, Faye, tripods have three legs. This is one. It's a monopod.

00:30:10.835 --> 00:30:12.715

<v Doc>She's going to hit me. She's going to hit me. Sorry, Faye.

00:30:14.095 --> 00:30:15.675

<v Doc>I will send it in right now, Faye.

00:30:15.775 --> 00:30:20.235

<v Katie>Faye, you can call the tripod if you want to, if that helps you get in your right headspace.

00:30:20.535 --> 00:30:22.515

<v Doc>That sounds like Thumper, Katie. That sounded exactly like Thumper.

00:30:22.635 --> 00:30:26.335

<v Doc>You can call the tripod if you want to. You can go on a tripod if you want to.

00:30:26.675 --> 00:30:31.455

<v Doc>I love it. But the idea of just being able to go, even Mary Lou,

00:30:31.555 --> 00:30:34.655

<v Doc>Jill, myself, all of us, Paul, we all have this little clip for the back of

00:30:34.655 --> 00:30:36.995

<v Doc>our phone. This whole back section is a magnet.

00:30:37.295 --> 00:30:40.615

<v Doc>Yo, I could thwack this sucker to the fridge and just say whatever.

00:30:40.915 --> 00:30:45.295

<v Doc>And so we have been out and need to shoot something real quick.

00:30:45.535 --> 00:30:48.855

<v Doc>And between Mary Lou, Jill, Paul, one of us, we'll just thunk it onto a street

00:30:48.855 --> 00:30:50.715

<v Doc>sign and hit go and just start talking.

00:30:51.275 --> 00:30:57.175

<v Doc>And if you can set yourself up for those levels of get this joint done.

00:30:58.155 --> 00:31:00.135

<v Doc>You will make your job easier.

00:31:00.335 --> 00:31:04.255

<v Doc>But every time you set up the equipment, okay, let's say you're not a nerd, right?

00:31:04.495 --> 00:31:09.515

<v Doc>And you have to set up the equipment every time, you're panicking because you're

00:31:09.515 --> 00:31:10.675

<v Doc>going to plug something in wrong.

00:31:11.555 --> 00:31:15.355

<v Doc>So even today, before this, Katie set up what we normally do.

00:31:15.815 --> 00:31:19.275

<v Doc>Right. Don't tell nobody. Ken and Glenn like to be messing around in the office

00:31:19.275 --> 00:31:23.135

<v Doc>and somehow Katie plugged in her computer and the sound was coming out of a

00:31:23.135 --> 00:31:24.715

<v Doc>monitor and not in her head.

00:31:24.915 --> 00:31:29.575

<v Doc>And she's like looking at it, thinking about it. And then we couldn't figure it out.

00:31:29.735 --> 00:31:32.715

<v Doc>So, you know, at least she had the confidence to yank that cord out,

00:31:32.835 --> 00:31:34.395

<v Doc>plug it back into the computer and be good.

00:31:35.187 --> 00:31:39.527

<v Doc>But if you're scared of your equipment all the time because you keep telling

00:31:39.527 --> 00:31:42.847

<v Doc>yourself you're not a tech person, that's a level of stress that you're adding

00:31:42.847 --> 00:31:47.227

<v Doc>to yourself that's derailing your confidence to make the video because now you're

00:31:47.227 --> 00:31:49.067

<v Doc>worried about whether the equipment is going to fail.

00:31:49.467 --> 00:31:53.827

<v Doc>You know what I mean? You can always tell when a streamer or a person that's

00:31:53.827 --> 00:31:59.047

<v Doc>doing a presentation, Jeff, Jeff is one of the most polished presenters in the planet.

00:31:59.267 --> 00:32:02.347

<v Doc>The mic was tripping. It was driving him nuts.

00:32:02.887 --> 00:32:08.287

<v Doc>It was absolutely driving him nuts. And luckily, he's polished enough that he

00:32:08.287 --> 00:32:11.267

<v Doc>powered through it, but it was definitely driving him nuts.

00:32:11.427 --> 00:32:15.387

<v Doc>And so when Lou went up there, three days later, Lou's first thought was,

00:32:15.547 --> 00:32:17.927

<v Doc>oh, is the mic going to act up on me? But we had already fixed it.

00:32:18.067 --> 00:32:20.967

<v Doc>But you see what I'm saying? You can set these little seeds of derailment in

00:32:20.967 --> 00:32:25.327

<v Doc>your head ahead of the game, and then you're worried about it. You know what I mean?

00:32:26.367 --> 00:32:32.327

<v Katie>Yeah. One of the best decisions I ever made was getting rid of a whole bunch of stuff in my space.

00:32:32.327 --> 00:32:35.327

<v Katie>Like just because you have access to it or because someone told you that it's

00:32:35.327 --> 00:32:40.367

<v Katie>a really great piece of gear doesn't mean you need it in your space because

00:32:40.367 --> 00:32:41.827

<v Katie>then it adds complexity.

00:32:42.047 --> 00:32:45.287

<v Katie>You need to learn how to use it. The more things you have connected in,

00:32:45.347 --> 00:32:49.647

<v Katie>the more cables can die, the more like the more the tech could play badly.

00:32:49.747 --> 00:32:54.907

<v Katie>So even if like even if you are a tech person, you are still making things more

00:32:54.907 --> 00:32:56.047

<v Katie>complicated than you need to.

00:32:56.047 --> 00:33:02.747

<v Katie>So it is a balancing act of, is what I'm setting up in my space going to actually

00:33:02.747 --> 00:33:08.427

<v Katie>add benefit to my content that is worth the risk of it all going wrong and me

00:33:08.427 --> 00:33:10.847

<v Katie>needing to fix it in the moment and derailing the whole situation?

00:33:11.027 --> 00:33:14.727

<v Katie>And it might not be. For me, it's not. I would rather have, quote unquote,

00:33:14.887 --> 00:33:19.687

<v Katie>lower video quality with stuff that I know how to fix and use and feel comfortable

00:33:19.687 --> 00:33:25.227

<v Katie>using than be in this studio space where anything could possibly go wrong and

00:33:25.227 --> 00:33:26.327

<v Katie>I would need to run in and get help.

00:33:26.467 --> 00:33:32.247

<v Katie>So it is worth, you know, again, like kind of practicing and playing and thinking through because...

00:33:33.189 --> 00:33:37.689

<v Katie>Putting yourself in those situations is how you're going to learn how to use

00:33:37.689 --> 00:33:41.809

<v Katie>the gear, but you also don't need all of the gear to do what you're going to

00:33:41.809 --> 00:33:43.929

<v Katie>do. A lot of it is just a checkbox.

00:33:44.129 --> 00:33:47.189

<v Katie>You're like, oh, well, someone told me I needed this thing, so I'm checking that box.

00:33:47.429 --> 00:33:50.049

<v Katie>You don't necessarily need all those checkboxes checked.

00:33:51.589 --> 00:33:53.029

<v Katie>It feels good, but you don't need them.

00:33:53.029 --> 00:33:56.389

<v Doc>We've all done it. I'm not going to say it's bad because we've absolutely done

00:33:56.389 --> 00:33:59.909

<v Doc>it, but even giving people the list of things that they can buy,

00:34:00.029 --> 00:34:03.289

<v Doc>because there are people who will buy the entire list, and

00:34:03.289 --> 00:34:06.129

<v Doc>then it doesn't totally match the way that

00:34:06.129 --> 00:34:09.229

<v Doc>they would do their thing and so it can

00:34:09.229 --> 00:34:11.989

<v Doc>really derail you and again we all do it because everybody asks for it

00:34:11.989 --> 00:34:14.949

<v Doc>like we're not going to give you what you what you ask we're not

00:34:14.949 --> 00:34:17.689

<v Doc>going to give you what you ask for yeah

00:34:17.689 --> 00:34:21.249

<v Doc>okay i said it right i listen it's early still but you

00:34:21.249 --> 00:34:24.149

<v Doc>know in a way that's like almost setting yourself up for

00:34:24.149 --> 00:34:27.169

<v Doc>trauma too right because i also know people who

00:34:27.169 --> 00:34:29.869

<v Doc>went out and bought this porsche because somebody told them you

00:34:29.869 --> 00:34:33.369

<v Doc>got of money now you should get a nice car and they can't drive that thing like

00:34:33.369 --> 00:34:37.269

<v Doc>it is not this it's not the same as whipping around in your flowered volkswagen

00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:41.769

<v Doc>dog he's like a porsche requires some attention and uh paul will never ride

00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:47.469

<v Doc>with me in a porsche paul's like that dude is sick with it in the suv i'm not

00:34:47.469 --> 00:34:49.089

<v Doc>going nowhere with that dude in the porsche.

00:34:49.663 --> 00:34:50.123

<v Katie>Yeah.

00:34:51.843 --> 00:34:54.523

<v Doc>Well, when you get here, you get to ride around with me and the Beamer.

00:34:54.883 --> 00:34:56.663

<v Doc>Wear diapers. I'm just going to let you know.

00:34:57.563 --> 00:34:59.963

<v Doc>Plus, it's my home turf, and I can't get a ticket.

00:35:00.663 --> 00:35:06.263

<v Katie>Danger. Don't do it, Paul. Don't do it. Oh, man. I think it is a little bit retraining.

00:35:06.703 --> 00:35:09.483

<v Katie>It is retraining our brains as well.

00:35:10.103 --> 00:35:15.723

<v Katie>Again, one thing that really made a big difference for me in getting to the

00:35:15.723 --> 00:35:21.563

<v Katie>other side of confidence and of doing this often and doing things is putting

00:35:21.563 --> 00:35:24.903

<v Katie>myself in uncomfortable, squishy situations.

00:35:25.403 --> 00:35:29.603

<v Katie>So again, it comes down to like accountability. And some of us are fine with

00:35:29.603 --> 00:35:34.583

<v Katie>just personal accountability. And some of us need like accountability from external or other people.

00:35:34.983 --> 00:35:40.583

<v Katie>So whatever that means to you, like it might be that in order to kind of get

00:35:40.583 --> 00:35:42.723

<v Katie>through the perfectionism and actually just start creating content,

00:35:42.723 --> 00:35:46.223

<v Katie>you need to commit to doing it live because that's the scariest thing.

00:35:46.223 --> 00:35:50.643

<v Katie>And that it's going to just help you stop, you know, turning off the video and

00:35:50.643 --> 00:35:52.903

<v Katie>getting over yourself is just committing to doing it live.

00:35:53.063 --> 00:35:56.663

<v Katie>It might be, it might just be as simple as like, I'm going to record,

00:35:56.843 --> 00:36:00.343

<v Katie>I'm telling myself, I'm going to record this entire video without pausing or

00:36:00.343 --> 00:36:03.243

<v Katie>stopping. And I'm just going to use it as is no matter what happens.

00:36:03.383 --> 00:36:07.643

<v Katie>That might be enough for you, but figure out like what your moment of squishiness

00:36:07.643 --> 00:36:11.203

<v Katie>is and set that as your goal for, for video, right?

00:36:11.363 --> 00:36:14.103

<v Katie>Like for me, it was like, I need to live stream this. That's the scariest.

00:36:14.523 --> 00:36:19.143

<v Katie>But these days, actually, like recording the video without pausing or stopping

00:36:19.143 --> 00:36:20.703

<v Katie>is actually scarier for me.

00:36:21.003 --> 00:36:25.283

<v Katie>So figuring out like where those squishy moments are and constantly putting

00:36:25.283 --> 00:36:28.903

<v Katie>yourself into that space, I think is what's really going to help you get more

00:36:28.903 --> 00:36:31.503

<v Katie>confident and get the content done.

00:36:31.503 --> 00:36:36.203

<v Katie>Because we do get stuck in these loops of just like, I need to watch more videos about this.

00:36:36.323 --> 00:36:41.863

<v Katie>I need to ask more people, you know, people for Before I start...

00:36:42.560 --> 00:36:45.980

<v Katie>We need to get past that. So in order to get past it, you might need to commit

00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:48.320

<v Katie>to doing something that makes you really uncomfortable.

00:36:48.620 --> 00:36:51.860

<v Katie>And whether that's you tell Doc and I, you can always email us,

00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:54.900

<v Katie>flow at ecam.com and tell us what you want to do. We'll hold you to it.

00:36:55.060 --> 00:36:57.740

<v Katie>Tell someone else, tell a friend, tell yourself, maybe that's enough.

00:36:58.220 --> 00:37:01.880

<v Katie>Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like Bruce is a great example of that. So, um,

00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:05.500

<v Katie>but yeah, it is, it's not fun because you're going to be in that uncomfortable,

00:37:05.660 --> 00:37:09.840

<v Katie>squishy space for a bit, but that's, what's going to help you get out to the

00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.140

<v Katie>other side of it and learn what happens when a cable goes bad or when your audio

00:37:15.140 --> 00:37:20.260

<v Katie>comes up in a different place or when you forget everything that you wanted to say.

00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:24.700

<v Katie>You're not going to know how to get through that moment without putting yourself in that moment.

00:37:25.600 --> 00:37:29.060

<v Doc>The amount of times that that happens is like, it's almost hilarious.

00:37:29.780 --> 00:37:35.180

<v Doc>And again, so when we first started this, you know, our whole goal was to sort

00:37:35.180 --> 00:37:40.100

<v Doc>of help people understand how to build a workflow to make this whole situation easier.

00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:43.160

<v Doc>That's where the name came from and the whole nine yards because there was so

00:37:43.160 --> 00:37:46.980

<v Doc>much talk around building your podcasting workflow.

00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:53.160

<v Doc>And to your, to your tech standpoint, I am probably one of the nerdiest people

00:37:53.160 --> 00:37:58.340

<v Doc>in the planet, but anybody who ever really pays attention to my shows when I'm

00:37:58.340 --> 00:37:59.920

<v Doc>doing my thing that's not work.

00:38:00.260 --> 00:38:04.060

<v Doc>I normally have two, maybe three scenes total.

00:38:05.048 --> 00:38:11.568

<v Doc>I normally use one camera angle. Sometimes I'll show the overhead, but I ain't got sliders.

00:38:11.748 --> 00:38:13.728

<v Doc>I don't got camera things moving around.

00:38:13.988 --> 00:38:17.588

<v Doc>I don't use animations, transitions, all of this weird stuff.

00:38:17.988 --> 00:38:23.188

<v Doc>Like, and it's not that it's wrong. I just know better because if I needed to

00:38:23.188 --> 00:38:25.428

<v Doc>fix it, I can fix it in post.

00:38:25.568 --> 00:38:28.048

<v Doc>But you know what doesn't not load properly?

00:38:28.268 --> 00:38:30.268

<v Doc>A scene with just a camera in it.

00:38:30.748 --> 00:38:34.268

<v Doc>You know what doesn't have the font not load properly?

00:38:35.248 --> 00:38:40.068

<v Doc>No overlays. You know what I'm saying? Like my confidence does not live in how

00:38:40.068 --> 00:38:42.568

<v Doc>pretty the decorations are.

00:38:42.648 --> 00:38:44.648

<v Doc>These decorations are cute. Thank you, Marshall. Don't get mad.

00:38:44.888 --> 00:38:47.828

<v Doc>But my confidence does not live in my decorations.

00:38:48.428 --> 00:38:51.668

<v Doc>It's the idea and we all seen it. It's in a movie.

00:38:51.908 --> 00:38:55.508

<v Doc>I won't even pick on a real person, but you know, somebody that fits that avatar,

00:38:55.728 --> 00:39:00.228

<v Doc>the dude with the suit in the car and the flashy clothes or whatever,

00:39:00.668 --> 00:39:03.508

<v Doc>horrible breath or no game.

00:39:04.328 --> 00:39:07.508

<v Doc>Can't think, can't talk, no brain, whatever the case may be.

00:39:07.568 --> 00:39:12.288

<v Doc>There's so many cliches of the person that's being overly flashy,

00:39:12.288 --> 00:39:13.888

<v Doc>but is absolutely hollow.

00:39:14.168 --> 00:39:17.248

<v Doc>Or Shallow Howl, that was another good one. You know, another good movie.

00:39:17.428 --> 00:39:18.908

<v Doc>Does that fit into VH Club?

00:39:19.748 --> 00:39:22.468

<v Katie>I think so. It might fonder today.

00:39:24.228 --> 00:39:26.228

<v Doc>That's a good movie.

00:39:26.228 --> 00:39:28.068

<v Katie>Our catch-all category, the today.

00:39:28.248 --> 00:39:32.908

<v Doc>Yeah, the today. So those, I mean, the cliche is so massive because it's real.

00:39:32.908 --> 00:39:39.888

<v Doc>And so you had mentioned this idea about assuming that the credibility wasn't showing a flawless.

00:39:40.088 --> 00:39:42.048

<v Doc>I'm going to tell you the way to wreck your credibility.

00:39:44.721 --> 00:39:49.801

<v Doc>Credibility the way to wreck your credibility this

00:39:49.801 --> 00:39:53.381

<v Doc>way elmer fudd in here is to be

00:39:53.381 --> 00:39:56.101

<v Doc>so polished on the interweb and then

00:39:56.101 --> 00:39:59.041

<v Doc>when you go somewhere in real life people realize that

00:39:59.041 --> 00:40:01.881

<v Doc>it was the wizard of oz like there is

00:40:01.881 --> 00:40:06.861

<v Doc>nothing behind that facade like nothing stop

00:40:06.861 --> 00:40:09.641

<v Doc>laughing at me there's nothing behind the

00:40:09.641 --> 00:40:12.701

<v Doc>facade man and that is the worst ever bro that

00:40:12.701 --> 00:40:15.801

<v Doc>is the worst ever and i've seen i've seen the bubble pop

00:40:15.801 --> 00:40:18.861

<v Doc>so many times it's why i know better

00:40:18.861 --> 00:40:22.001

<v Doc>than to do it i've seen the bubble have with musicians when

00:40:22.001 --> 00:40:24.821

<v Doc>i used to do a lot of concerts and they're not

00:40:24.821 --> 00:40:27.901

<v Doc>in the studio and they don't have no autotune and it's

00:40:27.901 --> 00:40:31.141

<v Doc>like bruh you know like not everybody is

00:40:31.141 --> 00:40:34.061

<v Doc>really ariana okay only a handful of people can

00:40:34.061 --> 00:40:37.801

<v Doc>really sing like her and that is a terrible terrible

00:40:37.801 --> 00:40:41.341

<v Doc>thing like it is horrible or you

00:40:41.341 --> 00:40:45.801

<v Doc>know there's a lot of the flashback artists coming back and i swear to you we

00:40:45.801 --> 00:40:50.981

<v Doc>did a concert not that long ago ladies of the 80s came back and one of my favorite

00:40:50.981 --> 00:40:55.401

<v Doc>things back in the day was like expose oh man you do not want to see them now

00:40:55.401 --> 00:40:58.701

<v Doc>it does not work it's not the same thing you know.

00:40:59.221 --> 00:41:03.701

<v Doc>I was like tiffany she still got it debbie gibson all right dope but yo some

00:41:03.701 --> 00:41:07.821

<v Doc>of them it was all studio had them working you know a lot of music and sound

00:41:07.821 --> 00:41:14.021

<v Doc>but they do not sing in real life Val can sing Jill LD they can sing.

00:41:14.781 --> 00:41:17.001

<v Doc>Fulgens it was nice job Fulgens,

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<v Doc>don't tell him I said that oh he's coming after you and Ken and Glenn they can

00:41:25.561 --> 00:41:30.221

<v Doc>get down if y'all miss that bro y'all miss the Humpty dance I'm still cracking

00:41:30.221 --> 00:41:31.961

<v Doc>up every day I just think about that leg.

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<v Katie>Doc is talking about Creator Camp. If you're like, what is happening?

00:41:37.640 --> 00:41:39.680

<v Katie>We did a karaoke night at Creator Camp.

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<v Doc>Faye, keep it down, Faye. Stop snitching.

00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.880

<v Doc>That was super good. I just think it was really cool that, you know,

00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:49.600

<v Doc>we came into this with very minimal expectations.

00:41:49.640 --> 00:41:53.640

<v Doc>We just wanted to show that, you know, even for us, we have to learn how to

00:41:53.640 --> 00:41:55.940

<v Doc>do these things on the fly. And we were very vulnerable.

00:41:56.400 --> 00:42:00.060

<v Doc>And, you know, I remember this like is the back of my hand.

00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:04.880

<v Doc>When we started it, And Katie's whole point was, I need more time doing this

00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:11.500

<v Doc>so I can get better at podcasting because I'm going to make this podcast, you know?

00:42:11.660 --> 00:42:17.900

<v Doc>And so the VHS club was just popping off and she wanted to get good at all things podcasting.

00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.960

<v Doc>And she's like, how do I get my thing down so that, you know,

00:42:21.020 --> 00:42:24.080

<v Doc>Nat and I can do this, that, and the third and make our process better?

00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:27.080

<v Doc>And I go, well, why don't we just learn how to podcast live?

00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.360

<v Doc>And then she was like, done. And I was like, all right, cool.

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.280

<v Doc>And next week she's like here's the rundown here's the i was

00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.920

<v Doc>like wait a minute i was joking it's like you're making me wake up

00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:39.360

<v Doc>at five in the freaking morning oops but here

00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.260

<v Doc>we are and 122 so it's later

00:42:42.260 --> 00:42:45.240

<v Doc>and a whole bunch of you you know get to come every week and

00:42:45.240 --> 00:42:49.360

<v Doc>we got the flow riders like so yeah it's it's really an idea of just you have

00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:54.240

<v Doc>to do it and you can tell in your presentations now in your confidence even

00:42:54.240 --> 00:42:59.920

<v Doc>the way you um handled the floor at camp you know talking to the whole people

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:04.980

<v Doc>is different from the first time we had to do a group presentation a couple conferences ago,

00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:07.560

<v Doc>you know, like maybe five or six conferences ago. It's like,

00:43:07.640 --> 00:43:08.580

<v Doc>oh my God, this is going to be crazy.

00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:11.800

<v Doc>And then now you just stand there. All right, people, we're going to go here.

00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.700

<v Doc>We're going to do this. And let me introduce you to Phil, you know,

00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:15.680

<v Doc>something of that nature.

00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:21.340

<v Doc>So even then, like from doing it, you've developed that muscle to be just,

00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:22.780

<v Doc>all right, I can just stand here and be Katie.

00:43:23.420 --> 00:43:27.000

<v Doc>And that's, that's, that's what this is really about. Allow you to stand in

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:28.880

<v Doc>your excellence and enjoy yourself.

00:43:30.543 --> 00:43:36.583

<v Katie>Yeah. And I just want to say like, I guess in closing, like what's the worst

00:43:36.583 --> 00:43:38.323

<v Katie>thing that's going to happen?

00:43:38.543 --> 00:43:43.883

<v Katie>Like if you go through this live to tape or one take workflow, right?

00:43:44.023 --> 00:43:50.383

<v Katie>And you record a video and you pause a whole bunch or you stumble over things

00:43:50.383 --> 00:43:53.503

<v Katie>and you say all the wrong stuff, you still have that video footage.

00:43:53.703 --> 00:43:58.083

<v Katie>And again, these days, there are so many incredible easy tools out there.

00:43:58.163 --> 00:44:01.923

<v Katie>It's not like even six months ago where you might've had to send that off to

00:44:01.923 --> 00:44:04.423

<v Katie>an editor or completely rerecorded.

00:44:04.503 --> 00:44:10.243

<v Katie>Like nothing is done for no reason. You now have video that you can put through

00:44:10.243 --> 00:44:15.103

<v Katie>85 million different AI tools and help, you know, get the best possible clips,

00:44:15.263 --> 00:44:16.883

<v Katie>get a transcript from it.

00:44:16.983 --> 00:44:20.563

<v Katie>Don't even share the video, get a transcript from it and use it for as a blog post or an email.

00:44:20.743 --> 00:44:24.363

<v Katie>Like it, everything that you're creating right now has value,

00:44:24.363 --> 00:44:27.683

<v Katie>even if it feels like you've completely screwed it up.

00:44:27.803 --> 00:44:33.963

<v Katie>Even if you pause 85 times in it and you swear and you put your face into the

00:44:33.963 --> 00:44:36.003

<v Katie>microphone and it goes horribly wrong,

00:44:36.003 --> 00:44:40.743

<v Katie>you likely still said enough that you can send that through to some kind of

00:44:40.743 --> 00:44:44.443

<v Katie>tool and be able to pull out those best moments. So we're living in a time where

00:44:45.244 --> 00:44:50.824

<v Katie>It's easier than it has ever been, and we can be more real and raw than ever.

00:44:51.084 --> 00:44:55.324

<v Katie>So get yourself into the habit of doing this. Hit the pause button.

00:44:55.884 --> 00:44:58.924

<v Katie>You know, reset yourself. Be like, well, that wasn't what I wanted to say.

00:44:59.104 --> 00:45:02.724

<v Katie>Okay, I'm going to give myself a five-second countdown. I'm going to continue on. Continue on.

00:45:03.384 --> 00:45:07.244

<v Katie>There are moments where even if you're easy editing and you're not using,

00:45:07.244 --> 00:45:11.464

<v Katie>you know, the entire footage as is, you're still done, right?

00:45:11.464 --> 00:45:14.664

<v Katie>You're still done. and you can pull those moments out and you don't have to

00:45:14.664 --> 00:45:19.704

<v Katie>worry as much about it being this huge production, right? It's now a simpler

00:45:19.704 --> 00:45:20.984

<v Katie>production than it ever used to be.

00:45:21.164 --> 00:45:25.264

<v Katie>So get in the habit of doing it. It really, it does make a big difference.

00:45:25.424 --> 00:45:30.604

<v Katie>I'm like a great example of this. It was very scary. It was scarier. It was squishy.

00:45:30.884 --> 00:45:34.524

<v Katie>It was all of the different things, but the more you do it, the better you get at it.

00:45:34.584 --> 00:45:38.624

<v Katie>And the more creative you get and the more ideas you have and the more you're

00:45:38.624 --> 00:45:43.764

<v Katie>able to really make a big difference and it's it saves you so much time there's

00:45:43.764 --> 00:45:48.364

<v Katie>the amount of the amount of content and things that you can get out of even

00:45:48.364 --> 00:45:54.484

<v Katie>one quote-unquote terrible video it's wild these days just completely wild yeah and

00:45:54.484 --> 00:46:01.044

<v Doc>You know and again i think the big the big big one to remember is that you see

00:46:01.044 --> 00:46:06.144

<v Doc>this all the time in in television and sometimes they leave the bloopers in on purpose.

00:46:07.408 --> 00:46:11.568

<v Doc>Um, you know, my favorite thing is watching Saturday Night Live when they break the wall.

00:46:11.828 --> 00:46:17.908

<v Doc>It's so funny. And some people, some hosts make the act, the regular hosts.

00:46:18.348 --> 00:46:21.628

<v Doc>Okay. Some guests make the regular hosts break the wall every time.

00:46:21.668 --> 00:46:24.368

<v Doc>And now they're just sitting around and waiting for it to happen.

00:46:25.228 --> 00:46:30.488

<v Doc>And the last one I saw that was just super funny is, uh, I was going to say Bugs Bunny.

00:46:30.668 --> 00:46:36.708

<v Doc>Oh my God. Bad Bunny, he broke the crew so many times because he's so nervous

00:46:36.708 --> 00:46:42.428

<v Doc>and fumbling while he's doing this thing that they cannot help but just laugh at him.

00:46:42.568 --> 00:46:45.088

<v Doc>And then he starts laughing and they're going through.

00:46:45.228 --> 00:46:51.508

<v Doc>This is a nationally televised show with 51 years in the making and very popular, very famous.

00:46:51.708 --> 00:46:57.668

<v Doc>And they just keep going. like in fact it adds to it it lets you know that even

00:46:57.668 --> 00:47:00.268

<v Doc>the most polished comedians in the planet,

00:47:00.768 --> 00:47:03.768

<v Doc>still screw up all the time yep and

00:47:03.768 --> 00:47:06.568

<v Doc>you know don't remember the lines and i've even seen them like

00:47:06.568 --> 00:47:10.188

<v Doc>tell each other their lines in the middle of the skin and it just makes it funnier

00:47:10.188 --> 00:47:13.928

<v Doc>because it's not supposed to be reality none of this stuff is serious it just

00:47:13.928 --> 00:47:18.508

<v Doc>really isn't and katie mentioned at the very beginning i want to make sure we

00:47:18.508 --> 00:47:24.808

<v Doc>close with this thought there's so much conversation right now about AI slop and,

00:47:25.568 --> 00:47:31.368

<v Doc>correctly so there's a lot of AI slop out there and the only thing Sora is doing

00:47:31.368 --> 00:47:36.028

<v Doc>is driving you back into the arms of your real lover.

00:47:36.928 --> 00:47:40.948

<v Doc>Right so in the songs or whatever where the person leaves because they think

00:47:40.948 --> 00:47:44.248

<v Doc>they found grass green on a bed or fence or whatever and the other person is

00:47:44.248 --> 00:47:48.048

<v Doc>a total jerk all they're doing is chasing that person right back to you.

00:47:48.962 --> 00:47:51.742

<v Doc>And in a way, the AI slop is doing that.

00:47:51.902 --> 00:47:56.482

<v Doc>They're chasing people back to real people because nobody wants to see that

00:47:56.482 --> 00:47:59.642

<v Doc>weirdness where your hand just goes right through your face.

00:47:59.762 --> 00:48:02.762

<v Doc>You go to do one of those numbers and your hand comes out the other side,

00:48:02.762 --> 00:48:06.922

<v Doc>or you show up, your hands look like this because you're missing fingers or,

00:48:06.942 --> 00:48:08.322

<v Doc>you know, the backgrounds don't work.

00:48:08.402 --> 00:48:12.642

<v Doc>The eyes are the wrong or two different colors, all this other weird stuff that AI does right now.

00:48:13.122 --> 00:48:15.602

<v Doc>And so they're looking for you. People are looking for their connectivity.

00:48:15.922 --> 00:48:19.182

<v Doc>They just are. Watch the amount of people that watch streams of people doing

00:48:19.182 --> 00:48:21.122

<v Doc>nothing, not talking, doing absolutely nothing.

00:48:21.322 --> 00:48:23.662

<v Doc>And people watch those streams like it's going out of style.

00:48:24.682 --> 00:48:27.962

<v Doc>You know, so there it is. Yeah, Paul says, you're not doing brain surgery.

00:48:30.122 --> 00:48:32.582

<v Doc>Actually, that's what happened, Paul, with my brain surgery.

00:48:32.882 --> 00:48:36.722

<v Doc>They crisscrossed some things. That's what happened. Yeah.

00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.560

<v Doc>That's why I can't talk today. I don't think I have to do another stream after

00:48:42.560 --> 00:48:45.240

<v Doc>this. I hope I can fix my talking between now and then.

00:48:45.560 --> 00:48:49.680

<v Katie>I believe in you. I believe in you. You've shaken out the cobwebs here so you can move on.

00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:55.480

<v Doc>I laugh at myself when I say dumb stuff. Like, I'm not even that mad about it. I think it's funny.

00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:59.080

<v Doc>And again, it just lets people know that, yeah, of course you're going to say

00:48:59.080 --> 00:49:00.640

<v Doc>something absolutely insane.

00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.260

<v Doc>You know, people do it all the time. It's just super normal.

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.940

<v Doc>Exactly. All right. So, you know, this show, we wouldn't be able to do it without

00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:10.880

<v Doc>help from our buddies at Shore.

00:49:11.160 --> 00:49:13.400

<v Doc>So we want to give a big shout out to Shore Microphones.

00:49:14.660 --> 00:49:18.480

<v Doc>We love our Shores. It's something that we talk about all the time.

00:49:18.660 --> 00:49:21.620

<v Doc>And if you're getting started and I know that, you know, a lot of people say,

00:49:21.720 --> 00:49:23.320

<v Doc>well, you should start with this, this or this.

00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:26.060

<v Doc>And I'm like, if there's one that you don't want to take a shortcut in,

00:49:26.260 --> 00:49:28.080

<v Doc>it's probably a shortcut. That's funny.

00:49:28.560 --> 00:49:31.900

<v Doc>It's probably your microphone. So if you get yourself a Shure, it'll last.

00:49:32.060 --> 00:49:35.840

<v Doc>I have a Shure microphone in the drawer over here that is well over 40 years

00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.640

<v Doc>old, and it still works exactly like the day it was born.

00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:43.820

<v Doc>If you want to find out more and discover what 100 years of making good audio

00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:48.160

<v Doc>products sound like, go to Shure.com and tell them that you learned it on the Flow.

00:49:49.080 --> 00:49:53.920

<v Doc>Then we also want to remind you that you can go to flow.ecam.com,

00:49:53.920 --> 00:50:00.680

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00:50:01.180 --> 00:50:05.140

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00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:07.260

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00:50:07.460 --> 00:50:12.760

<v Doc>It all can be done at flow dot E-C-A-M dot com. So thank you for that.

00:50:15.546 --> 00:50:16.146

<v Katie>We did it.

00:50:16.986 --> 00:50:20.966

<v Doc>Epic episode. Were you trying to check Slack message while I was doing that?

00:50:21.746 --> 00:50:26.826

<v Katie>No. No, I'm here in the studio today, and there's lots of background sounds.

00:50:26.946 --> 00:50:29.006

<v Katie>So thanks, everyone, for putting up with my background sounds.

00:50:29.526 --> 00:50:32.226

<v Doc>Oh, I didn't even hear the horn today.

00:50:32.946 --> 00:50:38.686

<v Katie>Oh, yeah. Yeah, we have the horn, and there's a very fun Halloween party happening

00:50:38.686 --> 00:50:44.266

<v Katie>at Coden Circuit. So there's lots of Halloween shenanigans being built. I know.

00:50:44.266 --> 00:50:48.866

<v Doc>Man, we came camp so early, we missed the skeletons on Main Street.

00:50:49.066 --> 00:50:52.086

<v Doc>No. Oh, the jack-o-lanterns. The jack-o-lanterns.

00:50:52.326 --> 00:50:52.726

<v Katie>Scarecrows.

00:50:53.146 --> 00:50:55.406

<v Doc>Scarecrows. That's the word. See, I told you. That's the word.

00:50:55.646 --> 00:50:58.106

<v Doc>I'm going to drink coffee, bro. I need coffee.

00:50:59.466 --> 00:51:02.526

<v Doc>Oh, my God. I miss it. Okay, so send pictures next time you walk around.

00:51:02.766 --> 00:51:04.406

<v Katie>I will. I will. I'll send all the photos.

00:51:05.286 --> 00:51:08.866

<v Doc>Did you stand up your giant skeleton in the yard?

00:51:09.166 --> 00:51:12.286

<v Katie>Absolutely. Absolutely. He's been up since beginning of September.

00:51:14.286 --> 00:51:18.026

<v Doc>That skeleton is about the same height as Paul and Gretchen.

00:51:18.566 --> 00:51:23.446

<v Doc>Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Flow Riders, you know what we say around here. Flow Riders, out!

00:51:23.786 --> 00:51:24.066

<v Katie>Out!