The Flow: Episode 116 - Practical Tips to Engage Without Notes | The Flow

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<v Doc>Aloha, Flowriders, and welcome to this edition of The Flow. I am your host,

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<v Doc>Doc Rock, along with my awesome co-hosts.

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<v Katie>Hey, everyone. It's Katie.

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<v Doc>One of these days, 116 episodes later, I'll stop laughing at that.

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<v Doc>Okay, Katie, what are we talking about today?

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<v Katie>So if you have been hanging out with us, we had a special guest on two weeks

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<v Katie>ago, Bruce, And tomorrow, September 10th, is going to be the first day of his

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<v Katie>podcast. We're going to hold him accountable.

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<v Katie>But he asked a follow-up question after that episode, which was,

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<v Katie>you know, how do you do this thing without being so reliant on notes and without

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<v Katie>kind of feeling like you need to have this really set outline?

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<v Katie>Like, how do you make it feel like a great experience without it being so,

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<v Katie>you know, canned and reading it off of a teleprompter or all of those details.

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<v Katie>So we're going to talk a little bit about notes and outlines and scripts today

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<v Katie>and some tactics and things that you can do to try to be a little bit less attached

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<v Katie>to those if you're one of those people that needs a script or an outline to

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<v Katie>help make the content a little bit better. So I'm excited. I think it's going to be a good one.

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<v Doc>Okay. So I got a big one. Let's start with the first simple one. You ready?

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<v Katie>Yeah, go.

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<v Doc>I don't even know if folks is ready for this. Doc.

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<v Katie>Is ready for this episode Alright let's bring it

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<v Doc>Who cares If you read the

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<v Doc>freaking teleprompter I don't I can't

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<v Doc>do it It's impossible Just can't do it But who cares Like you watch TV every

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<v Doc>day Where the entire situation Is read off of a teleprompter I love Seth Meyers

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<v Doc>Seth Meyers One of the greatest Let's run this back Even deeper than Seth Meyers I absolutely,

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<v Doc>110%, everybody over 50, I know you're with me, loves SNL.

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<v Katie>Yep.

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<v Doc>You know what they do on SNL? Read the telecard. They got gigantic poster cards.

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<v Doc>So much so that they involve the card-holding people into the show sometimes

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<v Doc>because they're like, hey, move your hands so I can read the rest of the line.

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<v Doc>Okay, and they just let it go.

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<v Doc>Nobody cares. Nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody, nobody cares.

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<v Doc>Now, that's it. I don't read off a teleprompter, but that's just because I can't.

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<v Doc>Somewhere between ADHD and inability to see good. I can't, I just can't do it.

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<v Doc>So I just want to let people, if you have to read, let it go, read.

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<v Doc>If the value, if the information is valuable, nobody cares. If the information sucks, it's,

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<v Doc>Does it matter if it's scripted or not? Like the information sucks,

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<v Doc>the information sucks. So there's that.

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<v Katie>So no, I think you're absolutely right. And as you were talking,

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<v Katie>I was just thinking, oh my goodness, this is the moment. Because I got years

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<v Katie>back a giant cutout, like a life-size, human-size cutout of Zac Efron from High School Musical era.

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<v Katie>And he's been just up in my attic scaring people, basically.

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<v Katie>But I was like, oh, I could bring him down and I could attach like a giant cue

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<v Katie>card to him and put him like behind my camera. It would really make my intros and outros hilarious.

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<v Doc>Yeah, your bullet points.

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<v Katie>Yeah.

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<v Doc>That's such a good idea. Like a whiteboard. And then put a whiteboard back there

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<v Doc>and put your bullet points on the whiteboard.

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<v Doc>It looks like he's holding the key. Oh, my God. That was legit.

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<v Katie>More to come on that later. But I do think – so a couple of things.

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<v Katie>So this particular topic – and this is like not a great topic for Doc because

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<v Katie>as he said, he's just going to do it. So you will take his voice and my voice

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<v Katie>and somewhere in between you will find your voice and we will be great.

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<v Katie>But this particular topic comes from people like Bruce, like myself in early

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<v Katie>days, like many of you out there where, again, we're overthinking it.

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<v Katie>We're all overthinking it. So let's just accept that.

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<v Katie>But it's this starting point of I know I need to do video.

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<v Katie>I don't have that level of confidence yet. I haven't convinced myself to be

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<v Katie>confident yet. So I'm hiding behind presentation notes. I'm hiding behind scripts, et cetera.

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<v Katie>And you don't, I will say you are right. Like you absolutely can just read it,

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<v Katie>but there is something about like, I'm sitting here reading my teleprompter

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<v Katie>and I'm nervous and I'm stumbling over the words because I know I just need to say these words.

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<v Katie>That's not an engaging experience either.

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<v Katie>So we're trying to step away from over-reliance on notes, on presentation slides

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<v Katie>that isn't serving us when really, in many cases, we should just be ourselves, front and present,

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<v Katie>having, you know, a valuable, helpful conversation, getting through the content

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<v Katie>without worrying so much about saying the exact words that you planned or about

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<v Katie>putting everything on screen, right?

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<v Katie>So I think, And so in my overplanning for this episode, I did have this – I

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<v Katie>love this point that the AI tools helped me to create,

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<v Katie>which is thinking about it from reading mode versus connection mode.

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<v Katie>So when we're thinking about –

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<v Katie>Notes and scripts and outlines, we're thinking about reading mode, right?

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<v Katie>We're thinking about like, oh, this is all the content that I want to be able

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<v Katie>to get out there to everyone. I want to make sure that I have a good episode,

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<v Katie>good presentation, good piece of content.

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<v Katie>You're in kind of that reading mode. And there does need to be a switchover

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<v Katie>before you actually record the video, do the show, stream the episode,

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<v Katie>whatever, where you do switch into connection mode where

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<v Katie>Hopefully you know the content well enough that you really should be focused

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<v Katie>instead on connecting with people who are watching and spending time with you

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<v Katie>on the other side and not thinking so much about the reading mode.

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<v Katie>So we've been on, you and I docked this journey over the last few episodes of

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<v Katie>talking a little bit more about like improv, public speaking,

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<v Katie>confidence, all of this.

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<v Katie>And so I do think like the more we can push ourselves a little bit outside of

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<v Katie>the box and the more that we get,

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<v Katie>you know, the more that we just do it, as Doc was saying, whether it's reading

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<v Katie>or, you know, or not having notes or, you know, doing an entire episode,

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<v Katie>the more comfortable and confident you're going to get with this as well.

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<v Katie>But it is that shift over between your planning and your outline and all of

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<v Katie>that and delivering in a way that is focused on connection and not necessarily

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<v Katie>on getting it right, right?

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<v Katie>It's not about getting it right. It's about connecting with people.

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<v Katie>So we need to shift our brain into that space when we get ready to record or

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<v Katie>we get ready to live stream our show.

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<v Doc>Ain't that some shift? Okay, listen, I got one quick one for you.

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<v Doc>I want to take this away from everybody because I'm the Grinch and I just want to steal it.

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<v Doc>I want everyone here to forget comfortable. And I know that sounds weird,

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<v Doc>but I want you to forget comfortable.

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<v Doc>Because comfortable is a statement of cognitive distortion.

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<v Doc>Not uncomfortable gives you space.

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<v Doc>Comfortable is a finite. You know when you get, everybody been here,

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<v Doc>you get home from work, long ass day, crack that 40, sit on the couch and be

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<v Doc>like, now you're comfortable. Don't want to be moved. Right?

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<v Doc>You can't obtain that.

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<v Doc>When you get to your bed after long-ass travel,

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<v Doc>you've been away from home, you've been up every morning with Katie eating breakfast

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<v Doc>that's way too greasy, the egg's kind of hard, but you know what,

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<v Doc>you're kicking it with your peoples, and you got a 21-hour flight from wherever

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<v Doc>the freak Katie sent me to home.

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<v Doc>When I walk into the house and drop that suitcase off and go in that shower,

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<v Doc>when I get in that bed, I'm just like, I can't repeat that in this chair.

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<v Doc>So you're trying to get somewhere in this chair you cannot

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<v Doc>possibly get so you're setting your

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<v Doc>brain up to look for something because everybody's mouth like to yip that word

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<v Doc>but your brain can't get there in this chair with this sony looking at me and

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<v Doc>then the weird puerto rican dude pressing buttons and the canadian lady looking

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<v Doc>at me i can't i cannot get what i get in the bed so that sounded really off don't go there,

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<v Doc>however I can be less uncomfortable.

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<v Doc>And that gives you space so let me give everybody space there is no such damn

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<v Doc>thing as comfort when it comes to this because if you ask Taylor if she's comfortable

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<v Doc>when she steps on stage no she's not.

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<v Doc>But she performs three shows a night, five, six, eight years in a row.

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<v Doc>So you know what I mean? She goes out there, she does her thing.

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<v Doc>Stop trying to get to somewhere you can't get.

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<v Doc>That will help you. And then you mentioned one other thing about reading mode to whatever.

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<v Doc>Hey, I don't know. I have been, and I wonder if anybody else has been in a situation

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<v Doc>where you've been given the purpose of doing a presentation that's not even

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<v Doc>yours because the person that was supposed to do it, sick, ran away, kids did something.

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<v Doc>You're filling in for someone, whatever.

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<v Doc>I don't even think there's anything wrong with, all right, people,

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<v Doc>listen, let me read this part to you because this is super important and I got

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<v Doc>to make sure we cover this and then we'll discuss it.

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<v Doc>Just preface it, preference it, right?

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<v Doc>Because like Flo said, few people want to be read to in a webinar,

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<v Doc>a masterclass, et cetera.

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<v Doc>Most of them can read for themselves. And guess what we do? Every time we pop

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<v Doc>a comment on screen, we read the comment.

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<v Doc>And then we react to it. You should read the comment so that,

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<v Doc>number one, that person feels seen.

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<v Doc>And number two, you make sure that you say their words verbatim instead of kind of miss what they say.

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<v Doc>And sometimes, because I'm terrible at it, sometimes I got to read the comment

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<v Doc>three, four times before I can get it right in my head before I respond to it. Yeah.

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<v Doc>Right? And so that concept, and I love you mentioned that reading mode versus presenting mode.

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<v Doc>Even in the news, Nicole Wallace is one of the best at this.

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<v Doc>She will read the statements verbatim from the card, and then she will lift

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<v Doc>her head and give you Nicole's take on it.

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<v Katie>Yep.

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<v Doc>Right? You watch anybody on the news. This happens daily.

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<v Doc>This is what has to be done because that's how they deliver.

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<v Doc>And if it's a situation, and I'm going to say this last thing and I'll stop shutting up.

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<v Doc>If you walked into the doctor's office and the doctor is going to tell you about

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<v Doc>something complicated that's going on with your kidneys.

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<v Doc>I don't feel any less different if the doctor was to sit there and tell me everything

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<v Doc>he had in his head versus the doctor pulled up the book and go,

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<v Doc>let me read this to you real quick so you can understand what's going on inside

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<v Doc>your body. And then we'll discuss it after.

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<v Doc>And he went through and, you know, read me a quick chapter in verse about my

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<v Doc>adrenal cortex, not doing what the heck it's supposed to do.

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<v Doc>I don't feel like this doctor doesn't know what he's talking about because he

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<v Doc>had the book. I will feel better because you know what mistakes happen in the hospital?

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<v Doc>The cocky ass doctors that refuse to admit that they're wrong.

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<v Doc>Right. So if he had the providence in his hand, I might take that information

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<v Doc>more than assume he don't know what he's talking about.

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<v Doc>So it's how you set your brain up for how you look is how you look.

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<v Doc>Right. It's that joke. I'm not fat. I'm just squeezable.

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<v Doc>It's how you how you address it, how you address it. And Rich, don't text me.

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<v Doc>Sorry. I'm in sleep mode. How does Rich get past sleep mode?

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<v Katie>Rich just figured out how special and important he is. You did that live.

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<v Katie>Rich is like, I'm the best.

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<v Doc>Rich is on VIP.

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<v Katie>Rich is on VIP. Yeah, I will say I have learned a few things about myself over

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<v Katie>the last few weeks even, actually.

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<v Katie>Do tell. So here at Ecamm, Caleb, the incredible Caleb, who is our email wizard

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<v Katie>and our lead funnel person.

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<v Doc>You can just leave it at wizard.

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<v Katie>Yeah, all things wizard. Helped us to put together this quiz.

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<v Katie>So if you want to take it, if you haven't taken it yet, you go quiz.ecamm.com.

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<v Katie>And it helps you kind of figure out what your content creator personality type is.

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<v Katie>Which is A, fun, and B, it'll give you a bunch of helpful information.

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<v Katie>I totally thought in taking this, I was like, I'm 100% a planner.

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<v Katie>I've always defined myself as a planner.

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<v Katie>I'm a type A kind of crazy person. I'm a planning person.

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<v Katie>But over the last couple weeks, I have been spending more time with myself in

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<v Katie>content creation mode. And I've been getting ready for a bunch of different events.

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<v Katie>And I did this workshop with Jeff C last week where he went through all of the

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<v Katie>content, his whole workflow and how he lays and plans everything out.

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<v Katie>It became really apparent to me that I'm not a planner.

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<v Katie>The quiz told me that I'm actually a presenter.

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<v Katie>And what that actually means has become very obvious to me in the last couple

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<v Katie>of weeks, where I formulate a plan. So I know today we were going to talk about

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<v Katie>notes and scripts and all of that.

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<v Katie>Once I have the plan, and usually I'm using chat GPT or different tools to help me figure out the plan.

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<v Katie>I'm like, hey, this is what my show is about.

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<v Katie>This is the kinds of questions I've been getting. Bruce sent me in this question.

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<v Katie>Now that you know this information about me, what would you suggest for an outline for this episode?

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<v Katie>I am constantly having conversations with my AI robot friends to give me ideas

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<v Katie>and outlines and all of that.

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<v Katie>Once it gives me the outline, then I'm going through the process of

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<v Katie>Putting the outline into, you know, creating the show notes and the description

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<v Katie>and the title, double checking that those are SEO friendly and discoverable

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<v Katie>on YouTube and different players.

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<v Katie>I'm dropping it into our Milanote, which we've shown you in the past,

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<v Katie>which is kind of our planning tool so that Luis and Doc know generally what

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<v Katie>the outline is, you know, any important things we want to be able to talk about for the episode.

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<v Katie>So I'm doing all of these steps because I'm a planner in my mind,

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<v Katie>right? I'm checking all of these different boxes.

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<v Katie>When it comes time to the actual recording of the episode, live streaming the

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<v Katie>episode, I haven't looked at that document in probably a day.

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<v Katie>Maybe I glance it in the morning. I have it open right now, right?

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<v Katie>And I have all of these notes, all my bullet points, some scripted lines,

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<v Katie>like I have it all in here.

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<v Katie>But at that point, by the time that I get to the recording day,

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<v Katie>and this is true for both the shows I do and for presentations that I do,

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<v Katie>this is true across the board.

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<v Katie>I now have spent so much time with this content in researching it,

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<v Katie>in knowing what the question was I'm trying to answer,

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<v Katie>in thinking, in putting it in all the different places to check all of the boxes

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<v Katie>that I actually don't really need the notes because I know the content anyway.

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<v Katie>Otherwise I wouldn't be doing this show.

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<v Katie>And I've now spent so much time with the content that I know generally,

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<v Katie>like we're going to get it out. there's going to be questions that come up.

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<v Katie>So it, so I don't need to worry about the notes as much. Part of this might

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<v Katie>just be my presenter brain.

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<v Katie>And maybe this is not the best way that works for everyone.

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<v Katie>But it did get me thinking a couple of episodes ago where we had Michael on from Ultra Speaking.

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<v Katie>It's a similar sort of process that he was talking about where it's like,

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<v Katie>okay, if you're a script person and you're hiding behind a script or you feel

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<v Katie>like you need to have that as a safety blanket, as a comfort state of mind, fine.

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<v Katie>But I would challenge you to try taking that and spending a bunch of time with

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<v Katie>it, whether it's practice recording,

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<v Katie>whether it's saying it out loud, you know, the techniques and tactics he tried,

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<v Katie>or if it's like me and you're just using that content to check all of the boxes in your process,

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<v Katie>you know, to get all the assets ready to promote it, to kind of get it out to the rest of your team.

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<v Katie>But the more time you spend with that content, the more it is in your brain

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<v Katie>in the back. And then just let it go when it comes to the actual day of recording it.

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<v Katie>And tools like Ecamm also make it really, really easy. We don't do it in this

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<v Katie>episode or in this show, but you can put those little visual cues on screen,

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<v Katie>whether that's like, maybe it's the question, maybe it's like the full question,

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<v Katie>like Doc said, you can read it out loud.

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<v Katie>Maybe it's just a little graphic. Maybe it's a GIF. Maybe it's a transition.

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<v Katie>Maybe it's just that you've labeled the scene that so you can look over and

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<v Katie>be like, oh, okay, yeah, great. I'm going to move on to that next thing.

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<v Katie>But all of those things can serve as simplified notes without needing a full

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<v Katie>bulleted list, without needing a script, without needing kind of these over-the-top

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<v Katie>things that might just add extra stress.

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<v Katie>So I realized this about myself that I have a plan, but at some point in my

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<v Katie>process, I actually let that go.

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<v Katie>And I'm really proud of my... I let that go because I just want to be me.

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<v Katie>I want to be able to respond to comments that are coming through.

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<v Katie>I don't want it to feel overly scripted. And so I just, at some point I'm like,

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<v Katie>well, I've spent a bunch of time with it. Am I going to hit every single thing in my notes?

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<v Katie>But, but are we going to get the content across?

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<v Katie>Yep. Because I, I know what the reason behind that piece of content is.

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<v Katie>I know we need to answer Bruce's question and his concern over,

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<v Katie>what do I do? I want to be on the camera more. I know I want to be present more.

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<v Katie>I want to fit for it to feel more authentic and more real and less planned and

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<v Katie>scripted. So how do we, how do we help someone like Bruce get to this end result?

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<v Katie>So that's what I realized over the past couple of weeks about myself.

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<v Doc>Here's here's something that i do um and you

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<v Doc>mentioned this idea of like placing elements

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<v Doc>on screen that can help you get there um i

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<v Doc>there's also like visual anchors sometimes for me

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<v Doc>the visual anchors are just various things on the desk yep

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<v Doc>right like i'll put things in a particular place where i can see them and then

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<v Doc>that sort of helps and another thing that i like to do is if i have my bullet

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<v Doc>points and my bullet points are set and i know what i'm going to say I will

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<v Doc>still take the time and I write them down in this little here field notes book,

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<v Doc>right? So I have these everywhere.

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<v Doc>There's about 75 of these joints in my house floating in various places.

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<v Doc>And I carry one with me all the time. And so I'll put down my bullet points

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<v Doc>there because one thing that we've forgotten because we are so digital now.

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<v Doc>Pen to paper is a deeper anchor to your brain, scientifically proven, whatever.

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<v Doc>When you're typing it out, and I mentioned this in a video day or two or yesterday

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<v Doc>or whatever, when you're typing it out, the reason why it doesn't anchor in

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<v Doc>your brain as much is because of backspace, delete, highlight,

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<v Doc>erase, do it again, erase, do it again.

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<v Doc>All of that editing takes away from the anchoring. When you pin the paper,

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<v Doc>even if you have to make a mistake and scratch it out, when you rewrite it again,

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<v Doc>you are anchoring those statements into your head.

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<v Doc>So a lot of times, even if it's just a little wee post-it note,

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<v Doc>I'll take my little post-it note doohickey right here.

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<v Doc>And yes, I 3D printed it, right?

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<v Doc>I'll put my little stencil in there. I draw a bunch of lines and I'll write

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<v Doc>my bullet points there and I'll stick it there. I might never read them, but they're there.

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<v Doc>But because I took the time to write it down, I set it a little bit tighter in my brain.

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<v Doc>And so if nothing else, just take a random piece of paper. You don't need a fancy field nose book.

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<v Doc>You just need a pen and a piece of paper and write them down.

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<v Doc>And Katie's brilliant point about taking a small whiteboard or large whiteboard

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<v Doc>and placing it behind your camera and writing your bullet points on the whiteboard

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<v Doc>right above you would probably serve you even better than, say, the teleprompter.

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<v Doc>Because I find it's probably better for people if they can see themselves.

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<v Doc>And the way the Elgato teleprompter works, which is what everybody bought because

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<v Doc>everybody listened to us, it does not do a good job of allowing you to see yourself through.

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<v Doc>The screen right so in other words the words are moving above my face but i can still see my face,

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<v Doc>which is actually even harder but if you're like that

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<v Doc>uh you need to download an app like the guys we

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<v Doc>met at kicks uh kit what are they called teleprompter pro

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<v Doc>yeah prompter pro yeah teleprompter pro

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<v Doc>i'm trying to work with them to see if i can get something rigged up

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<v Doc>in ecamm i had a brilliant idea for them sit on that um

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<v Doc>we've been talking about it um but i

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<v Doc>think it's better if you're just looking at the words and

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<v Doc>you know the way the elgato does it where it's just a black screen or whatever

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<v Doc>and then your words are scrolling by you're too busy trying to make those perfect

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<v Doc>whereas if you could just put those words there and have in light you know overlay

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<v Doc>that is you that's one thing now i just thought of something now that you said

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<v Doc>this i just came up with a plan.

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<v Doc>If you are doing a recorded video and you

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<v Doc>set your isos up and you don't mind the fact that

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<v Doc>your iso is going to be 1080 you can take the

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<v Doc>ecamm output that would normally be going say live

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<v Doc>and you could put the bullet points on the screen as if they are semi-transparent

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<v Doc>or just put them on the screen and then look at yourself in the prompter and

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<v Doc>you could read that you can still see you you can still read that but the recording

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<v Doc>of the a camera is just raw so when you drop it into your editor, no one's going to know.

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<v Doc>I didn't even think about that until just now. I've been using Ecamm for since

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<v Doc>Jesus walked to Nazareth. I just thought of that.

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<v Doc>So there you go. There's another way to crack that egg if you wish.

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<v Katie>I think I'm also watching to the incredible comments that are coming through.

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<v Katie>And so one of the comments was that live speeches and things like this,

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<v Katie>different formats of different content might require different levels of scripting,

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<v Katie>which I think is absolutely right.

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<v Katie>I think like how, you know, something like this, where it is a live show,

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<v Katie>or I would argue even, you know, even a podcast that isn't live,

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<v Katie>that's recorded is a little bit, tends to be a little bit more conversational

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<v Katie>and the expectation is really different.

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<v Katie>So being able to like glance up and down and getting used to just kind of redirecting

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<v Katie>your eyes back to the camera, but also allowing yourself to look down at the

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<v Katie>comments or like look in different ways.

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<v Katie>That actually, I think, makes the video better in some ways because you come across as less robotic.

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<v Katie>You can tell that you're in the space.

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<v Katie>Doc is typing. We're chatting. We're having this larger conversation that's

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<v Katie>bigger than just the two of us.

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<v Katie>And that is part of the show and of the promise that we're setting forward to everyone.

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<v Katie>So I think giving yourself that permission and just practicing that,

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<v Katie>getting used to being like, oh, I'm glancing back up and Now I'm looking down,

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<v Katie>I'm glancing back up again, I'm looking down.

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<v Katie>Again, you're going to get more, the muscle memory of doing some of these things

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<v Katie>is just going to help you get better at them as time goes forward.

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<v Katie>Versus if you are, you know, maybe you're trying to record something that's

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<v Katie>a little bit more polished and you have, you know, much more specific notes,

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<v Katie>then yeah, like maybe you do want to be able to try out these different tactics

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<v Katie>or techniques of having, you know,

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<v Katie>bullet visual anchors or bullet points in much more of an obvious place.

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<v Katie>Like even if you're sticking them right under your camera or you're leveraging

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<v Katie>a teleprompter, I think, you know,

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<v Katie>I think that that's fine as long as you give yourself permission that if you

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<v Katie>don't say everything exactly the way as you planned it or,

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<v Katie>you know, you stumble over a word or your brain takes you off into a different

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<v Katie>direction based on something that someone says or, you know,

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<v Katie>something that you think of.

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<v Katie>Give yourself permission to just be in that moment and trust yourself that you

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<v Katie>know the content well enough that it's going to be okay versus doing what I

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<v Katie>am 100% guilty of, which is just like doing this,

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<v Katie>panicking, hitting the end button, shutting it down, shut it down.

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<v Katie>That's my definite go-to move when things don't go wrong.

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<v Katie>And when my brain tells me, oh, you didn't do that correctly,

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<v Katie>so turn it off, shut it down. Doing that is worse than if you had just bumbled

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<v Katie>your way through and then gotten to an end point you could edit or tweak or

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<v Katie>do something with later.

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<v Katie>And hiding behind a presentation is also not the greatest in the day of video

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<v Katie>where other people are showing their faces and are engaging with their audience

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<v Katie>and are creating better presentations that feel more human.

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<v Katie>Right we're living in an ai world so you you on camera showing yourself including

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<v Katie>your mistakes is way more valuable to people than just a keynote or powerpoint

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<v Katie>presentation going by that they can read as they go so

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<v Doc>You just said something super funny. Your brain just takes you somewhere different. Me? No, never.

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<v Katie>Never.

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<v Doc>E-frame Work Pro said something very, very on point, and it just caught me right away.

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<v Doc>I am often talking to you guys with this Sharpie in my hand.

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<v Doc>And the reason for that is I guess it's an anchor, right? It is one of those anchors.

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<v Doc>It's like Linus with the blanket or something. It is an anchor.

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<v Doc>You often see a lot of your TV hosts that are cruising with the Sharpie in their hand.

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<v Doc>And I also noticed something that I've done myself that they often do too,

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<v Doc>is you have your notes and you get to something that you wrote,

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<v Doc>but it's taking you somewhere else because the feel came.

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<v Doc>You just take your Sharpie and just line it out right there.

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<v Doc>And that feels relieving because it doesn't matter that I'm going to skip this

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<v Doc>next point because I think I found a better way to say it or whatever.

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<v Doc>So that gives you a chance to sort of reset and re-anchor

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<v Doc>and i have even done this on camera before i was like i don't even know what

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<v Doc>the heck i wrote on my notes let me cross this part out and let me go to this

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<v Doc>instead this is way better right and that again that feels real so allow yourself

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<v Doc>first of all nobody thinks you don't have notes nobody's that dumb right um when you watch a show on.

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<v Doc>TV or a movie, right? I was going to ask this question earlier.

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<v Doc>I forgot how I had it formulated in my head, but it was like, what is acting?

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<v Doc>I mean, those are 112% scripted unless you have the actors who famously constantly

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<v Doc>go off script and they show that stuff a lot.

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<v Doc>Um, but what you can do, especially, uh, what Daryl said is looking around, right?

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<v Doc>So you could take some of your bullet points and put them on,

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<v Doc>I would say, six by nines, the big cards and put one on this monitor,

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<v Doc>one on this monitor, one on this monitor.

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<v Doc>And so that way you could do what I often do on camera is I'm looking up,

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<v Doc>but I'm looking up because I am building a sentence as I talk.

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<v Doc>If I do one of these when I'm talking, I'm building the sentence as I talk instead

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<v Doc>I already knew what I was going to say, right?

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<v Doc>And so if you put the notes there, again, like a stack of those cards is what,

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<v Doc>five bucks on Amazon or Michaels or whatever, you know, the big size or cut scrap paper in half.

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<v Doc>And yeah, just put it there. So you got your point there and then you can come

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<v Doc>over here. You have your point there.

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<v Doc>Just make sure you're addressing the mic properly. But yeah,

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<v Doc>put your bullet points in three or four places, completely done all the time in stage.

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<v Doc>On stage, it's there. And oftentimes what an actor will do out of pure comfort,

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<v Doc>they will put the script like right at the camera, they can't even read it.

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<v Doc>It's just a comfort level of knowing that the script is there.

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<v Doc>It's there, yeah. That they're perfectly fine with that. But there's no way

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<v Doc>from upstage they can read that script, but it's just a comfort level of knowing

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<v Doc>it's there and it's an anchor to them that they know their lines.

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<v Doc>So all of the above, it was such a great conversation.

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<v Doc>And I love what Daryl said is you're not a news anchor, dude. It's the internet, bro.

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<v Doc>Nobody cares, bro. I have done this too.

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<v Doc>Rich will tell you, I'll be sitting here with my notes and I'll be like,

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<v Doc>all right, let me, I got this on my notes because I have to make sure that I say this.

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<v Doc>And then I go da, da, da, da, da. And then just go back to talking.

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<v Doc>Like, I think let's stick to overthinking it. And I, you know,

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<v Doc>and again, I really don't want to make that.

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<v Doc>I don't want to make that feeling that you're feeling seem belittling,

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<v Doc>right? Because I get cursed at all the time for that, but it's not that.

00:28:19.450 --> 00:28:21.470

<v Doc>And I have a better way to say it now, right?

00:28:21.710 --> 00:28:30.210

<v Doc>I've never used this sentence until like yesterday, but it's okay that you feel that way.

00:28:30.910 --> 00:28:34.530

<v Doc>Okay, let's start there. Like I always just say, your excuses are valid, so what?

00:28:34.670 --> 00:28:38.430

<v Doc>But the nicer way is, it's okay you feel this way, but you need to know this.

00:28:38.590 --> 00:28:40.630

<v Doc>You don't have to feel that way forever.

00:28:41.310 --> 00:28:44.610

<v Doc>So the bigger question is, what are you going to do to fix it?

00:28:45.030 --> 00:28:45.190

<v Katie>Yep.

00:28:46.470 --> 00:28:50.990

<v Doc>And so the first thing is, let it go. Right? And the second thing is,

00:28:51.150 --> 00:28:53.070

<v Doc>you won't feel this way for long.

00:28:53.410 --> 00:28:53.690

<v Katie>Yep.

00:28:54.070 --> 00:28:58.670

<v Doc>Right? At every new job you start, you feel a little bit weird for like a week or two.

00:28:59.170 --> 00:29:03.750

<v Doc>After that, you and Rich are hanging out at lunch, sneaking off to Chili's to

00:29:03.750 --> 00:29:06.550

<v Doc>take shots, and then come back and be like, we got to deal with Stacey.

00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:08.930

<v Doc>Stacey's tripping. Okay, this is a two-shot lunch? All right,

00:29:08.990 --> 00:29:12.150

<v Doc>dude, two shots. All right, let's go. and we get all those shots in and then we go back.

00:29:12.330 --> 00:29:16.110

<v Doc>And now we're cool as a pool. You're leaning on a water cooler like,

00:29:16.110 --> 00:29:19.230

<v Doc>what's this, a Bloomberg? Yeah, I'm a TBS repress. Okay.

00:29:19.690 --> 00:29:22.970

<v Doc>Like now you're cool with everybody. But of course you feel awkward that first

00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:25.790

<v Doc>couple of weeks out of new school, new job, new house, new location,

00:29:26.030 --> 00:29:28.210

<v Doc>new car even. You get a brand new car, you know what you're doing.

00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:33.650

<v Doc>Later, you're driving without even thinking, right? So you can feel that way

00:29:33.650 --> 00:29:35.930

<v Doc>in the beginning, but you won't feel that way for long. And the best way to

00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:37.530

<v Doc>get over those feelings is to keep doing it.

00:29:40.309 --> 00:29:44.189

<v Katie>Yeah. And there's, I mean, the cool thing about it is that there's so many different

00:29:44.189 --> 00:29:47.829

<v Katie>ways these days to make it easier on yourself.

00:29:47.989 --> 00:29:53.149

<v Katie>So like, as we were saying, you, you can put your, like visually put your bullet

00:29:53.149 --> 00:29:56.289

<v Katie>points, not your whole script or your notes, but your bullet points in a place

00:29:56.289 --> 00:29:59.729

<v Katie>that gives you some level of comfort to glance at when you need to.

00:29:59.889 --> 00:30:04.209

<v Katie>So whether that's you want to be able to, you know, put them as,

00:30:04.289 --> 00:30:08.569

<v Katie>as visual anchors within Ecamm, like, so that they just pop up and you know,

00:30:08.749 --> 00:30:10.969

<v Katie>like, oh, okay, now I'm diving into this part.

00:30:11.289 --> 00:30:15.069

<v Katie>Put little gifts and fun things that fly in and out and, you know,

00:30:15.149 --> 00:30:21.309

<v Katie>add some interest and some engagement to your, you know, to your presentation or,

00:30:21.629 --> 00:30:26.009

<v Katie>you know, or as we said, label your scenes so you know, like which is going

00:30:26.009 --> 00:30:30.209

<v Katie>next, you know, if you're not ready to do something bigger or something more important.

00:30:30.389 --> 00:30:35.529

<v Katie>But I do think getting into the habit and building up that muscle memory of

00:30:35.529 --> 00:30:41.409

<v Katie>this is how I show up on camera in a way that's comfortable to you is a great

00:30:41.409 --> 00:30:42.509

<v Katie>starting point, certainly.

00:30:42.829 --> 00:30:46.049

<v Katie>I want to talk a little bit to you about, and this is something I'm actually

00:30:46.049 --> 00:30:47.329

<v Katie>just not great at myself.

00:30:48.349 --> 00:30:53.389

<v Katie>When we get nervous, whether we're on stage in front of someone or we're here

00:30:53.389 --> 00:30:58.509

<v Katie>in a virtual setting and we're trying to create content, we tend to rush through things.

00:30:58.629 --> 00:31:03.169

<v Katie>We say it as quickly as humanly possible. We get that kind of shakiness in our voice.

00:31:04.169 --> 00:31:07.489

<v Katie>We're in like, get it done and get out of there mode, right?

00:31:08.029 --> 00:31:12.769

<v Katie>But pausing intentionally and allowing for moments of silence,

00:31:13.289 --> 00:31:19.189

<v Katie>breathing and having good breathing patterns and breaking it down into sections.

00:31:19.189 --> 00:31:24.329

<v Katie>So like, hey, you know, this video, this piece of content that I'm creating

00:31:24.329 --> 00:31:28.649

<v Katie>is going to have 1.2 points or three points, no more than three points, right?

00:31:28.809 --> 00:31:33.349

<v Katie>So like those can then become the chunks of your content, right?

00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:36.189

<v Katie>So for the first section, we're just focusing on point number one.

00:31:36.329 --> 00:31:37.289

<v Katie>That's all you need to remember.

00:31:37.933 --> 00:31:41.653

<v Katie>Rip that sticky note off your computer when you're done that and throw it on

00:31:41.653 --> 00:31:43.433

<v Katie>the floor. Now you're going to the next point.

00:31:44.193 --> 00:31:48.153

<v Katie>You know, function your way through the content that way and allow yourself to take those moments.

00:31:48.593 --> 00:31:55.253

<v Katie>I don't know if I really fully appreciated how much of humanity is just breathing,

00:31:55.253 --> 00:31:59.353

<v Katie>which I know sounds crazy because we have to breathe to survive, right?

00:31:59.513 --> 00:32:04.093

<v Katie>But like when you're having a moment or a crisis, controlling your breathing

00:32:04.093 --> 00:32:07.373

<v Katie>can make all of the difference. When you're doing a yoga class,

00:32:07.533 --> 00:32:11.073

<v Katie>having like good breathing actually helps you to function through the flows better.

00:32:11.313 --> 00:32:16.113

<v Katie>Same for public speaking and for controlling your breathing and understanding

00:32:16.113 --> 00:32:19.873

<v Katie>how you're breathing is going to help you calm yourself down,

00:32:20.033 --> 00:32:23.453

<v Katie>remind yourself that it's not life or death in this situation and get through it.

00:32:23.573 --> 00:32:27.133

<v Katie>So it's something I'm working on myself. I will say I'm not perfect at this

00:32:27.133 --> 00:32:31.213

<v Katie>and I'm probably speaking crazy fast even in saying this, but allowing yourself

00:32:31.213 --> 00:32:34.433

<v Katie>those intentional pauses and those moments of silence and slower,

00:32:34.433 --> 00:32:38.213

<v Katie>slower more intentional breathing is actually really going to help you in a lot of this

00:32:39.093 --> 00:32:41.913

<v Doc>Yeah well you know it's funny um if you

00:32:41.913 --> 00:32:46.313

<v Doc>ever do it like i get irritated when apple watch tells me to breathe because

00:32:46.313 --> 00:32:49.573

<v Doc>i'm like why are you telling me to breathe right now and you know why it's telling

00:32:49.573 --> 00:32:54.533

<v Doc>you to be right now because it's noticing your heartbeat yeah you never connect

00:32:54.533 --> 00:32:57.873

<v Doc>those two together but like when the apple watch tells you to breathe is normally

00:32:57.873 --> 00:33:01.073

<v Doc>at the inopportune moment because you're probably tuned up.

00:33:01.113 --> 00:33:04.753

<v Doc>It's because it's telling you to do that because you're tuned up.

00:33:04.893 --> 00:33:07.733

<v Doc>And if you take a second and actually do it, it's only a minute.

00:33:07.913 --> 00:33:10.793

<v Doc>And you let the watch do that thing, you actually feel better.

00:33:10.933 --> 00:33:14.253

<v Doc>So it's kind of funny. I've always ignored those things.

00:33:14.493 --> 00:33:18.533

<v Doc>But I realize now the watch is trying to save you from slapping somebody.

00:33:20.073 --> 00:33:21.793

<v Katie>The watch is like, take a breath.

00:33:22.113 --> 00:33:25.593

<v Doc>Take a deep breath. Take a breath. Take a breath. Slow it down. Slow it down, right?

00:33:25.933 --> 00:33:27.133

<v Katie>Slow it down.

00:33:27.453 --> 00:33:31.793

<v Doc>It's super funny. It also, Paul just said something, it also gives the audience

00:33:31.793 --> 00:33:36.253

<v Doc>a second, especially when people are like taking notes, right?

00:33:36.473 --> 00:33:40.253

<v Doc>If they're taking notes in your presentation and you breathe, you give them a second.

00:33:40.533 --> 00:33:47.193

<v Doc>I think we all learned more about those pauses when you watch some of the best

00:33:47.193 --> 00:33:51.053

<v Doc>speakers, like how well they add pauses into their talk.

00:33:51.353 --> 00:33:57.593

<v Doc>I do the pregnant pauses all the time, right? and when I want you to let it anchor,

00:34:00.321 --> 00:34:03.541

<v Doc>Like I'll hold it and I'll give you a visual cue, right? That's just,

00:34:04.061 --> 00:34:07.761

<v Doc>and yes, it's intentional, but now it's just how I talk in general, right?

00:34:07.901 --> 00:34:12.761

<v Doc>Because you realize it does give people a second to let that thing sort of hit.

00:34:13.001 --> 00:34:17.041

<v Doc>So I do like this one thing also, let me make sure that we cover this.

00:34:17.181 --> 00:34:22.961

<v Doc>If you are recording in Ecamm, there's a button, it's called pause.

00:34:23.221 --> 00:34:29.801

<v Katie>You can pause that. I never use it. I'm trying to use it, but I never use it.

00:34:29.801 --> 00:34:34.201

<v Doc>You know who taught me that is Diana Gladney and her videos on fire.

00:34:34.461 --> 00:34:40.461

<v Doc>What Diana does, which makes it easier because she will talk herself faster

00:34:40.461 --> 00:34:43.701

<v Doc>than she can think. I will talk myself faster than I can think.

00:34:44.181 --> 00:34:48.061

<v Doc>Diana says she has her bullet point, right? And so she'll break throughs like,

00:34:48.161 --> 00:34:50.221

<v Doc>how do you get better at doing these podcasts?

00:34:50.521 --> 00:34:54.201

<v Doc>No notes is realize that. Well, first of all, it's the Internet and nobody's

00:34:54.201 --> 00:34:56.401

<v Doc>expecting you to do a broadcast level presentation.

00:34:56.401 --> 00:35:00.381

<v Doc>So the best way to get comfortable is just get used to doing it and you'll find

00:35:00.381 --> 00:35:05.521

<v Doc>that works out the best she'll hit pause collect yourself start again hit it

00:35:05.521 --> 00:35:09.541

<v Doc>and she says smile and then don't say something for like two seconds before

00:35:09.541 --> 00:35:11.181

<v Doc>you start talking because then it's easier to cut,

00:35:11.761 --> 00:35:15.481

<v Doc>right when you go to cut it back in when you look at your finished footage in

00:35:15.481 --> 00:35:21.041

<v Doc>your final cut or whatever there's a clean mark when you press pause there's

00:35:21.041 --> 00:35:25.561

<v Doc>a five second like blank area where there's no, you know.

00:35:26.241 --> 00:35:29.561

<v Doc>Audio waveform, slice, slice, close, slice, close, slice, close,

00:35:29.561 --> 00:35:33.981

<v Doc>slice, close, or actually range close, same thing, whatever, how you do use up to you.

00:35:34.341 --> 00:35:38.621

<v Doc>And it's just simple. It is super simple. And then all you need to do is take

00:35:38.621 --> 00:35:41.701

<v Doc>your bullet point and cover that, the B roll.

00:35:41.861 --> 00:35:43.321

<v Doc>I mean, use the bullet point as a

00:35:43.321 --> 00:35:47.741

<v Doc>B roll, like solid back, solid black background in the name of the words.

00:35:48.001 --> 00:35:52.141

<v Doc>And then you're continuing to talk under that picture and nobody knows.

00:35:52.781 --> 00:35:59.761

<v Doc>Nobody knows. it's very simple it is very very very simple and yet i have a

00:35:59.761 --> 00:36:03.721

<v Doc>hard time pressing that button i forget it's there so when i do catch myself.

00:36:03.721 --> 00:36:06.501

<v Katie>Like off shut it down i'm like i

00:36:06.501 --> 00:36:11.601

<v Doc>Never catch myself going crazy i will hit it and i have tried to add it more

00:36:11.601 --> 00:36:17.041

<v Doc>recently because it is a good way to just reset between your bullet points and

00:36:17.041 --> 00:36:21.541

<v Doc>where it comes in the most handy is so you deliver your first point flawlessly

00:36:21.541 --> 00:36:25.601

<v Doc>and you deliver your second point and you start to go a little tangential,

00:36:26.021 --> 00:36:28.941

<v Doc>hit the pause button before you start your third point,

00:36:29.601 --> 00:36:32.281

<v Doc>collect yourself and then get your third point solid again.

00:36:32.461 --> 00:36:34.521

<v Doc>And it won't really matter that the second is tangential.

00:36:34.741 --> 00:36:37.741

<v Doc>Don't rerecord it. It's probably you needed to say it that way.

00:36:38.061 --> 00:36:41.581

<v Doc>But if you hold it a second and then come back to it, it's fine.

00:36:42.858 --> 00:36:46.278

<v Doc>If you're doing it live and you cover your first bullet point,

00:36:46.458 --> 00:36:49.238

<v Doc>you say, OK, but that was the first point. Let me get to the next point for a second.

00:36:50.278 --> 00:36:54.238

<v Doc>And then you go again. Let people see you collecting your thoughts.

00:36:54.398 --> 00:36:57.418

<v Doc>They don't care. They're like, oh, my God, that pimp is just like me.

00:36:57.538 --> 00:36:59.318

<v Doc>I thought I was the only one who does that.

00:37:00.158 --> 00:37:03.658

<v Doc>Let the people see you because they came for you. They did not come for.

00:37:04.218 --> 00:37:09.758

<v Doc>Hi, my name is Dave. And today I'm going to show you how to get financially freedom in your 60s.

00:37:09.978 --> 00:37:12.438

<v Doc>Nobody wants to see that. I'll punch that dude in the damn face.

00:37:14.618 --> 00:37:17.898

<v Katie>I was just thinking, too, that, like, if you, again, if, like,

00:37:17.898 --> 00:37:22.138

<v Katie>you're using a tool like Ecamm, you can also add some, like,

00:37:22.258 --> 00:37:25.098

<v Katie>fun transitions. Like, you could queue up.

00:37:25.258 --> 00:37:30.018

<v Katie>Like, I could have Doc create for me probably in, like, minutes because he's Doc.

00:37:30.158 --> 00:37:33.078

<v Katie>But I could have him create a whole bunch of, like, really funny,

00:37:33.718 --> 00:37:36.218

<v Katie>silly, like, faces or one lines.

00:37:36.218 --> 00:37:41.738

<v Katie>Or you could prerecord questions in advance and just have them saved as scenes

00:37:41.738 --> 00:37:45.238

<v Katie>within Ecamm. And so in between your points and as you're taking a moment to

00:37:45.238 --> 00:37:49.858

<v Katie>pause, just clip and roll that break between your different points, right?

00:37:50.018 --> 00:37:54.998

<v Katie>So whether that's like a little like the more you know graphic or it's you coming

00:37:54.998 --> 00:37:59.318

<v Katie>in and asking a question, you could build in in your planning instead of having

00:37:59.318 --> 00:38:04.618

<v Katie>a script, have those moments that are planned out that give you a point.

00:38:05.705 --> 00:38:09.905

<v Katie>Break in your conversation to be able to pause and reset and rethink, right?

00:38:10.085 --> 00:38:14.145

<v Katie>So there's a bunch of different ways that you could approach that to segment

00:38:14.145 --> 00:38:18.405

<v Katie>out your content, to give yourself time to breathe and your audience time to breathe.

00:38:19.545 --> 00:38:22.325

<v Katie>And now that I'm saying that, I'm thinking about even like fun ones we could

00:38:22.325 --> 00:38:26.605

<v Katie>do for this show or even for the VHS Club podcast where you could

00:38:27.145 --> 00:38:32.445

<v Katie>have fun little like, you know, moments and cool transitions and little video

00:38:32.445 --> 00:38:35.765

<v Katie>clips in between that would that would allow for more time and space in between

00:38:35.765 --> 00:38:39.805

<v Katie>that would I think break up the content a little bit more and give us all some breathing space so

00:38:39.805 --> 00:38:42.565

<v Doc>Yeah I add them in use a

00:38:42.565 --> 00:38:45.445

<v Doc>use a overlay or yeah I

00:38:45.445 --> 00:38:49.905

<v Doc>won't do it to I won't do it to ruin Luis's editing but like you can add your

00:38:49.905 --> 00:38:56.205

<v Doc>little interstitials uh you know Paul has made us random coin drops yeah or

00:38:56.205 --> 00:38:59.825

<v Doc>you can throw a little dancing animation I have a dancing animation where people

00:38:59.825 --> 00:39:04.705

<v Doc>join the membership that I'll play uh yeah just do a little quick dance break.

00:39:05.045 --> 00:39:06.265

<v Katie>Yeah, pattern interrupt.

00:39:06.805 --> 00:39:09.665

<v Doc>You don't have to actually dance if you're not a dancer. It may be too serious.

00:39:09.845 --> 00:39:11.025

<v Doc>You're doing grief counseling.

00:39:11.025 --> 00:39:16.325

<v Doc>You can't have the little dance break, but if, say, you're doing a video on

00:39:16.325 --> 00:39:19.245

<v Doc>grief counseling, the way that you would do it is like, okay,

00:39:19.365 --> 00:39:22.925

<v Doc>and now, for the next 15 seconds, we're going to breathe it out.

00:39:22.965 --> 00:39:24.005

<v Katie>We're going to breathe, yeah.

00:39:25.045 --> 00:39:28.325

<v Doc>You know, gangsters. It's really, really, really, really gangsters.

00:39:28.965 --> 00:39:34.525

<v Doc>There's definitely ways to do it. I think the first thing to do is I learned

00:39:34.525 --> 00:39:41.725

<v Doc>this in therapy is you want to notice, pause, explore, clarify, and act, right?

00:39:41.825 --> 00:39:46.445

<v Doc>So notice that you're having this thing, like is what it is.

00:39:46.625 --> 00:39:51.805

<v Doc>Take a pause for a second and accept the fact that yeah, you're having it.

00:39:52.859 --> 00:39:58.359

<v Doc>What next, right? And then you explore what are the different ways you could think about this.

00:39:58.539 --> 00:40:01.619

<v Doc>Like, I don't have to think about it this way. What's a better way I could think of this?

00:40:01.959 --> 00:40:05.879

<v Doc>And then clarify your intentions and then continue to march.

00:40:06.699 --> 00:40:10.199

<v Doc>And yeah, so if you do it that way, it makes more sense.

00:40:10.919 --> 00:40:14.679

<v Doc>You know what I mean? And then it's like, it's okay. Again, it's okay. You feel that way.

00:40:14.839 --> 00:40:18.099

<v Doc>Like, it's probably not your fault. Honestly, most of the things,

00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.479

<v Doc>why I get so frustrated with people and their weird feelings is because those are probably not yours.

00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.779

<v Doc>Somebody told you you're supposed to feel that way and you're just repeating it.

00:40:26.499 --> 00:40:30.339

<v Doc>And so when you do the exploration, what are some other ways that other people

00:40:30.339 --> 00:40:34.099

<v Doc>feel about it? And I wonder how they feel about it that way versus how I feel about it.

00:40:34.319 --> 00:40:37.919

<v Doc>Like, am I feeling this because somebody else told me to feel this way or is

00:40:37.919 --> 00:40:40.619

<v Doc>this genuinely my feeling? That's what it means to explore that.

00:40:41.059 --> 00:40:45.179

<v Doc>Nine times out of 10, I can't think of one right now, but maybe you can.

00:40:45.499 --> 00:40:50.759

<v Doc>There's something that you used to always get pissed about and more than likely

00:40:50.759 --> 00:40:53.779

<v Doc>you heard from somebody else. And if you really think about it for a split second,

00:40:53.919 --> 00:40:57.819

<v Doc>like stop and think about it, does it really make you as mad as you think it makes you mad?

00:40:57.899 --> 00:41:00.959

<v Doc>Or are you repeating a social cue?

00:41:01.479 --> 00:41:03.719

<v Doc>And for me, this came up yesterday.

00:41:04.259 --> 00:41:08.499

<v Doc>For me, that was, I'm sorry, it's Saturday, when I used to watch the little

00:41:08.499 --> 00:41:10.099

<v Doc>kids doing this crap right here.

00:41:11.224 --> 00:41:14.064

<v Doc>And, okay, so today we're going to be on the TikTok. I was like,

00:41:14.184 --> 00:41:16.224

<v Doc>dude, it's a clip magnet.

00:41:16.484 --> 00:41:19.324

<v Doc>Put it on. It doesn't sound good here. It sounds good here.

00:41:19.604 --> 00:41:21.924

<v Doc>That's just because I'm an audio person, right?

00:41:22.364 --> 00:41:27.564

<v Doc>And what Mary Lou said is for them, it's a protection shield, right?

00:41:27.764 --> 00:41:33.664

<v Doc>It's a barrier between them and the content. We still don't get, but whatever.

00:41:33.944 --> 00:41:37.504

<v Katie>Or honestly, a security blanket. Maybe they're holding it there because they

00:41:37.504 --> 00:41:41.704

<v Katie>want to hold something. yeah they physically need to hold the pen right

00:41:41.704 --> 00:41:44.684

<v Doc>Physical anchor right right so you

00:41:44.684 --> 00:41:47.344

<v Doc>see people like clipping on a pen a spatula i when i

00:41:47.344 --> 00:41:50.804

<v Doc>do it i do it on my fingertip because i'm just being goofy now or some

00:41:50.804 --> 00:41:53.504

<v Doc>people say well it's an engagement hack i was like if you need to

00:41:53.504 --> 00:41:56.184

<v Doc>do tricks to engage with people your video sucks all right

00:41:56.184 --> 00:41:58.964

<v Doc>right but whatever and then i thought

00:41:58.964 --> 00:42:01.804

<v Doc>about it's like you know what i really don't care like you know i can't i can't win

00:42:01.804 --> 00:42:04.504

<v Doc>this battle so i'm gonna let it go i just don't

00:42:04.504 --> 00:42:10.384

<v Doc>care anymore and now it doesn't trigger me but for literally more than a year

00:42:10.384 --> 00:42:14.624

<v Doc>when i saw people doing this it would drive me insane and the majority of it

00:42:14.624 --> 00:42:17.444

<v Doc>was based off of my audio background the other part of it i just thought it

00:42:17.444 --> 00:42:21.344

<v Doc>was stupid but it doesn't matter what i think because there's people that do

00:42:21.344 --> 00:42:23.464

<v Doc>this they got 20 million people watching their stuff,

00:42:25.064 --> 00:42:27.964

<v Doc>so sometimes you got to ask yourself are you

00:42:27.964 --> 00:42:34.544

<v Doc>holding on to the audio engineers guild of america which nobody knows about

00:42:34.544 --> 00:42:39.244

<v Doc>or cares about or are you just you know do you really care and I found out I

00:42:39.244 --> 00:42:43.044

<v Doc>really don't care like I'd rather care that the Raiders keep winning than care

00:42:43.044 --> 00:42:45.624

<v Doc>of little kids talk to their microphones in a weird way,

00:42:46.224 --> 00:42:50.904

<v Doc>and so that's why sometimes you know question why do I feel this way because

00:42:50.904 --> 00:42:54.184

<v Doc>it might it's probably not yours it's probably some grandma granddad auntie

00:42:54.184 --> 00:42:59.504

<v Doc>ex you know current like whatever said to you none of your damn business so yeah let it go.

00:43:00.458 --> 00:43:05.478

<v Katie>It is funny. I will say so. I know, again, huge thank you to Bruce for sending

00:43:05.478 --> 00:43:08.458

<v Katie>in this kind of follow-up question to the episode that we did.

00:43:08.998 --> 00:43:13.518

<v Katie>And again, it is tomorrow is Bruce's launch day for his podcast.

00:43:13.618 --> 00:43:16.098

<v Katie>So we're going to all follow up and double check in on him tomorrow.

00:43:16.098 --> 00:43:19.438

<v Katie>But I was thinking like we did this workshop with, I did this workshop with

00:43:19.438 --> 00:43:25.398

<v Katie>Jeff last week for Ecamm and he was testing out and using a new AI presentation

00:43:25.398 --> 00:43:27.458

<v Katie>tool called Gamma, which was awesome.

00:43:27.818 --> 00:43:33.378

<v Katie>And so he did something which he normally doesn't do, which is he had the presentation

00:43:33.378 --> 00:43:37.058

<v Katie>slides full screen and then he just kept going back and forth between like full

00:43:37.058 --> 00:43:41.158

<v Katie>screen presentation slides and the two of us up on camera like Doc and I are right now.

00:43:41.478 --> 00:43:44.658

<v Katie>And for the first little bit, I definitely had this moment of being like,

00:43:44.778 --> 00:43:47.678

<v Katie>oh shoot. we should really be on screen.

00:43:48.078 --> 00:43:51.478

<v Katie>Like I was overthinking behind the scenes, like literally as the presentation

00:43:51.478 --> 00:43:54.978

<v Katie>was happening and people in the comments were like, this is so valuable.

00:43:55.138 --> 00:43:58.518

<v Katie>I'm learning like a ton. Like everyone in the comments was loving it.

00:43:58.698 --> 00:44:01.138

<v Katie>Like they, it was the best workshop they attended in a while.

00:44:01.458 --> 00:44:05.138

<v Katie>Like the content was amazing. And Jeff was nailing it. And we were there present

00:44:05.138 --> 00:44:08.518

<v Katie>in the moment, but because I wasn't on screen and in my brain,

00:44:08.538 --> 00:44:10.618

<v Katie>I was like, well, I need to be on camera.

00:44:11.138 --> 00:44:14.058

<v Katie>This, this isn't working because I'm not on camera. I'm like,

00:44:14.058 --> 00:44:17.818

<v Katie>Jeff and I are not on camera right now, or as much as I thought we should be,

00:44:18.018 --> 00:44:19.598

<v Katie>I had told myself that story.

00:44:20.818 --> 00:44:26.878

<v Katie>So again, Bruce, and I know you sent in this video that went with it and you

00:44:26.878 --> 00:44:29.338

<v Katie>had your presentation notes and the video itself looked great,

00:44:29.338 --> 00:44:32.658

<v Katie>as I told you, and as probably many of you are feeling.

00:44:32.858 --> 00:44:37.238

<v Katie>So maybe you're telling yourself the same story that I was there where you have

00:44:37.238 --> 00:44:38.698

<v Katie>to be on camera the entire time.

00:44:39.018 --> 00:44:43.218

<v Katie>Maybe you take that presentation and you allow yourself to shift back and forth

00:44:43.218 --> 00:44:46.718

<v Katie>between you being full camera and the presentation notes, and that gets you

00:44:46.718 --> 00:44:48.598

<v Katie>a little bit more comfortable into your end goal.

00:44:48.878 --> 00:44:53.638

<v Katie>Maybe it's okay that you have a full screen presentation and you don't have

00:44:53.638 --> 00:44:55.258

<v Katie>yourself on camera the entire time.

00:44:55.378 --> 00:44:59.618

<v Katie>Maybe that gives you that security blanket that you need to get a little bit

00:44:59.618 --> 00:45:01.358

<v Katie>better and to get the content out there.

00:45:01.498 --> 00:45:07.598

<v Katie>Because I know in your specific case, Bruce, that your content is super valuable and helpful to people.

00:45:07.778 --> 00:45:12.118

<v Katie>You're like really actively helping people that desperately need that content.

00:45:12.358 --> 00:45:16.058

<v Katie>So if that's the way that makes the most sense to you for right now, go for it.

00:45:16.238 --> 00:45:20.738

<v Katie>I, you know, whereas someone else might, you know, like us be so used to be

00:45:20.738 --> 00:45:25.358

<v Katie>on camera all the time that being behind a presentation slide is, is what's scary.

00:45:25.578 --> 00:45:30.118

<v Katie>So I like, I'm glad I didn't say anything during the workshop because I actually

00:45:30.118 --> 00:45:35.218

<v Katie>think the way that the format worked for that job was the most helpful for everyone

00:45:35.218 --> 00:45:36.778

<v Katie>because they wanted to see those notes.

00:45:37.098 --> 00:45:40.418

<v Doc>So I do think getting out of your head is important.

00:45:41.301 --> 00:45:44.821

<v Doc>Flo had mentioned this in the very, very, very beginning about nobody wants

00:45:44.821 --> 00:45:46.321

<v Doc>to be read to during the presentation.

00:45:46.661 --> 00:45:50.741

<v Doc>And so one of the things that luckily I learned in college from my teacher,

00:45:51.001 --> 00:45:56.121

<v Doc>thank you, Miss Susan Deak at the Kapi'olani Community College in Honolulu Hoi.

00:45:56.281 --> 00:46:00.321

<v Doc>She was like, you know, don't put more than three words on the screen. Yep.

00:46:00.581 --> 00:46:05.741

<v Doc>And, you know, I sometimes I take it down to one or no, no words at all, just pictures.

00:46:06.041 --> 00:46:10.701

<v Doc>Yep. Because if they're there and that's a crutch, you're going to read them.

00:46:10.701 --> 00:46:13.741

<v Doc>You can't help it. Like people in the audience can't help it.

00:46:14.201 --> 00:46:17.281

<v Doc>And you don't want people reading the slides. You want people engaged and paying

00:46:17.281 --> 00:46:19.181

<v Doc>attention and absorbing what you're saying.

00:46:19.581 --> 00:46:24.921

<v Doc>And so a lot of times it's true. If you put those, if you put all those words

00:46:24.921 --> 00:46:26.861

<v Doc>on the screen, you are going to want to read them.

00:46:26.981 --> 00:46:32.101

<v Doc>And what you said about putting it full up and then you can read because can't nobody see you.

00:46:32.361 --> 00:46:36.041

<v Doc>So if you have a part that's really hard and difficult and you want to make

00:46:36.041 --> 00:46:41.501

<v Doc>sure that it's said properly, yeah, cover it with B-roll. and actually read it line by line.

00:46:41.821 --> 00:46:45.421

<v Doc>Just try not to read it. I think it's funny,

00:46:46.341 --> 00:46:49.421

<v Doc>and this might actually be a little bit hilarious,

00:46:50.121 --> 00:46:56.781

<v Doc>is if you're like me and you have readers, you could actually flip between the

00:46:56.781 --> 00:47:01.841

<v Doc>teleprompter character and the person that's just the normal person character.

00:47:02.021 --> 00:47:02.441

<v Katie>Yeah.

00:47:02.681 --> 00:47:06.421

<v Doc>And that could be the same thing, and you could change it by changing the scene.

00:47:06.421 --> 00:47:09.861

<v Doc>Change in the scene so right now we have the purple background yeah

00:47:09.861 --> 00:47:12.681

<v Doc>and then maybe we would add the orange background and so

00:47:12.681 --> 00:47:15.761

<v Doc>when i'm going to go into professor mode and put the orange background and

00:47:15.761 --> 00:47:18.801

<v Doc>i'm going to read it verbatim off the tech off the thing and

00:47:18.801 --> 00:47:21.541

<v Doc>then i'm going to come back and be like okay that dude was weird but let me

00:47:21.541 --> 00:47:24.541

<v Doc>show you what this really means let me break it down what that statement means

00:47:24.541 --> 00:47:28.921

<v Doc>and then you can get into the the personal the touch the additive so you can

00:47:28.921 --> 00:47:36.261

<v Doc>completely play with the fact that you need to read it yep and tell people like also thought,

00:47:37.241 --> 00:47:39.701

<v Doc>guys, listen, there's going to be a lot of fun.

00:47:39.841 --> 00:47:42.441

<v Doc>In the beginning, there are going to be some train wrecks.

00:47:42.681 --> 00:47:46.021

<v Doc>You know what it is. This is my first episode. By the time we get to like episode,

00:47:46.221 --> 00:47:48.381

<v Doc>I don't know, 1300, I'll probably be good at this.

00:47:48.601 --> 00:47:51.301

<v Doc>But anyway, let's get it. Like, have fun with it.

00:47:51.901 --> 00:47:55.421

<v Doc>Everybody who's watching is in your exact same boat with something that they

00:47:55.421 --> 00:47:59.441

<v Doc>have to do, whether that's school, work, church, whatever the situation is,

00:47:59.621 --> 00:48:03.821

<v Doc>they're in the exact same boat. And we all have been to the church where the

00:48:03.821 --> 00:48:06.761

<v Doc>pastor sits there and reads the entire sermon.

00:48:07.246 --> 00:48:12.426

<v Doc>And then there's the other pastors like Keith, that'd be moonwalking and dancing

00:48:12.426 --> 00:48:13.826

<v Doc>and he got it all in his head.

00:48:13.966 --> 00:48:18.426

<v Doc>Or we'll sidetrack when somebody mentions something in the audience or whatever.

00:48:18.806 --> 00:48:23.426

<v Doc>Just have fun with it, bro. Like have fun with it. Like it doesn't have to be serious.

00:48:23.746 --> 00:48:28.406

<v Doc>And I forgot who told us this. Katie, we were at an event and they were saying

00:48:28.406 --> 00:48:31.886

<v Doc>that, you know, the one thing to keep in mind is after you finish recording, nobody died.

00:48:32.206 --> 00:48:35.766

<v Katie>Yeah, nobody died. I know that really that did stick with me.

00:48:35.766 --> 00:48:41.306

<v Katie>I love how without looking at the notes, you literally nailed our entire outline

00:48:41.306 --> 00:48:46.986

<v Katie>point number six, which is in the moment reset tricks and quick grounding techniques.

00:48:46.986 --> 00:48:52.166

<v Katie>If you feel yourself slipping into notes mode, reset with a question to the

00:48:52.166 --> 00:48:55.686

<v Katie>audience or use energy shifts, which is exactly what Doc just mentioned.

00:48:55.686 --> 00:49:00.006

<v Katie>And so there are games that you can play with yourself and with your audience

00:49:00.006 --> 00:49:05.226

<v Katie>to get yourself back into the outline that you want to be in or to just make

00:49:05.226 --> 00:49:07.626

<v Katie>the presentation more interesting, as Doc was saying.

00:49:08.346 --> 00:49:14.886

<v Katie>These days, people are hoping that you don't show up and just read verbatim the entire way.

00:49:15.306 --> 00:49:18.626

<v Katie>They want to spend time with you. They want it to be not perfect.

00:49:18.646 --> 00:49:20.346

<v Katie>They want it to be interesting and different.

00:49:20.566 --> 00:49:24.026

<v Katie>So I think that's a great approach.

00:49:24.366 --> 00:49:27.426

<v Katie>I think even just talking this out loud with you, I've gotten like about 10

00:49:27.426 --> 00:49:30.146

<v Katie>different ideas. I'm like, let's close this up. I got some ideas.

00:49:30.146 --> 00:49:33.646

<v Doc>In your own head, right? Yeah. Like, what if you just said, oh my God,

00:49:33.726 --> 00:49:36.006

<v Doc>I'm sitting here, I'm reading this verbatim, but I really want you to,

00:49:36.146 --> 00:49:38.446

<v Doc>I want to make sure you get this point from a natural perspective.

00:49:38.626 --> 00:49:41.966

<v Doc>So I'm going to put the teleprompter away and let me say to you what I really,

00:49:42.066 --> 00:49:44.486

<v Doc>what I want to say. Not really want to say maybe, but you know,

00:49:44.606 --> 00:49:45.726

<v Doc>let me, let me re-explain that.

00:49:47.180 --> 00:49:52.320

<v Doc>It works it completely works like it's fine like oh my god i can't i'm i'm i'm

00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.780

<v Doc>freaking out over here i'm trying to read this to you verbatim but i want to

00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:59.200

<v Doc>make sure that you understand this is a very human connected point so let me

00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:05.340

<v Doc>reset and just say it like you say in a clubhouse right okay we're going to reset the room yeah.

00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:06.380

<v Katie>Let's reset the room

00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:12.080

<v Doc>Yeah just do it just do it stop over complicating it it's so easy to say that

00:50:12.080 --> 00:50:18.200

<v Doc>i i really understand and you mentioned something a second ago and I haven't recorded the video yet,

00:50:18.220 --> 00:50:21.520

<v Doc>but I recorded what it looks like to record a video yesterday.

00:50:21.740 --> 00:50:28.020

<v Doc>I'm making a video on my channel about stop shooting all over yourself because

00:50:28.020 --> 00:50:32.520

<v Doc>you said we should be on screen. Yeah. According to who?

00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:33.680

<v Katie>Yeah, I know.

00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:36.660

<v Doc>Like that should is not your should, right?

00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.240

<v Doc>And the problem with shooting all over yourself is

00:50:40.240 --> 00:50:43.380

<v Doc>shooting generates shame and hopelessness because

00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:46.120

<v Doc>again you're building that filter off of what

00:50:46.120 --> 00:50:49.380

<v Doc>you think is supposed to happen because some society person

00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:52.140

<v Doc>told you this or you that's what you think all the good people are

00:50:52.140 --> 00:50:54.960

<v Doc>doing well guess what you're not good people yet you're you're just

00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.180

<v Doc>starting you're a beginner it's cool you cannot go from

00:50:58.180 --> 00:51:01.560

<v Doc>beginner to you know championship f1 driver

00:51:01.560 --> 00:51:04.240

<v Doc>like you can't you could barely drive in your

00:51:04.240 --> 00:51:07.040

<v Doc>town how you're going to drive you know the ferrari and

00:51:07.040 --> 00:51:09.640

<v Doc>the scuderia it's impossible you know what i

00:51:09.640 --> 00:51:12.720

<v Doc>mean first of all the seats are custom fitted for lewis hamilton

00:51:12.720 --> 00:51:15.620

<v Doc>so i can't fit in it like they're they're molded

00:51:15.620 --> 00:51:18.620

<v Doc>to his butt and he's british he has small butt in puerto

00:51:18.620 --> 00:51:22.140

<v Doc>rican i don't so yo as

00:51:22.140 --> 00:51:24.960

<v Doc>much as i want to drive his car i can't fit in lewis's car

00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:27.820

<v Doc>right so yeah just think of yourself as

00:51:27.820 --> 00:51:30.620

<v Doc>an f1 driver uh you can't fit in somebody

00:51:30.620 --> 00:51:33.620

<v Doc>else's car yeah right so you know

00:51:33.620 --> 00:51:39.740

<v Doc>after some practice go-karts a couple times f3 then f2 then maybe i can drive

00:51:39.740 --> 00:51:44.220

<v Doc>f1 but the dream of driving f1 is out the window i'm just watching it and saying

00:51:44.220 --> 00:51:47.160

<v Doc>like damn lewis you're great i need you to start winning again though because

00:51:47.160 --> 00:51:51.140

<v Doc>it pisses me off um anyway i'm done i'm done for today.

00:51:53.009 --> 00:51:56.629

<v Katie>Well, hopefully everyone found this information helpful.

00:51:56.949 --> 00:52:01.629

<v Katie>And again, this is why we do this show in a community. So if you want to be

00:52:01.629 --> 00:52:04.869

<v Katie>part of the community and you're not yet, you can swing over to events,

00:52:05.129 --> 00:52:09.809

<v Katie>E-V-E-N-T-S dot ecamm dot com. That will sign you up for our newsletter.

00:52:09.949 --> 00:52:14.109

<v Katie>And you can swing over to ecamm dot com slash community, and that will show

00:52:14.109 --> 00:52:18.909

<v Katie>you all the different places where you can connect with us and share and practice and play.

00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:23.689

<v Katie>This is like literally try to make it as safe a space as possible for you to

00:52:23.689 --> 00:52:29.169

<v Katie>be able to get some of those reps in, get that muscle memory and know that like we just said at least,

00:52:29.369 --> 00:52:32.889

<v Katie>you know, the two of us have said throughout this episode, all of the things

00:52:32.889 --> 00:52:38.149

<v Katie>that like we did and tried and failed at and got better at.

00:52:38.149 --> 00:52:40.949

<v Katie>And so it's a process all the way through.

00:52:41.089 --> 00:52:44.969

<v Katie>So it's not like even after doing it hundreds of times, it's flawless every time.

00:52:45.189 --> 00:52:49.489

<v Katie>It's still getting used to what works best for you, getting used to what resonates

00:52:49.489 --> 00:52:52.129

<v Katie>best with your community and everything in between.

00:52:52.389 --> 00:52:55.229

<v Katie>So great question from Bruce. Thank you so much.

00:52:55.389 --> 00:52:58.629

<v Katie>And everyone else, keep those questions coming. We're more than happy to dive

00:52:58.629 --> 00:53:02.909

<v Katie>deeper into some of these episodes on questions and topics that you want us to talk about.

00:53:04.569 --> 00:53:08.769

<v Doc>Absolutely freaking love it. It was super cool. All right. So you know what it is.

00:53:09.289 --> 00:53:13.009

<v Doc>If you want to find out more about the flow, all you need to do is go over to

00:53:13.009 --> 00:53:18.309

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00:53:18.689 --> 00:53:22.429

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<v Katie>Oh, well, it is definitely that time because now Paul's coming after us.

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<v Katie>So we've got to get out of here.

00:54:05.689 --> 00:54:09.169

<v Doc>You know what we say around here Flowriders Out.

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<v Katie>We'll see you in the next episode

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<v Music>