The Flow: Episode 115 - Fix My Flow: Live Coaching Session With a Real Video Podcaster | The Flow

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<v Doc>Aloha Flow Riders and welcome to this edition of The Flow. I am your host,

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<v Doc>Doc Rock, along with my awesome co-host.

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<v Katie>Hey everyone, it's Katie.

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<v Doc>That's my favorite part of the show. We are still kicking it.

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<v Katie>I do just for you.

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<v Doc>Today is episode 115 of this test that we're doing.

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<v Katie>Yeah, and we're on one.

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<v Doc>To see if the fam wants to know about podcasting. Yep.

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<v Doc>It's kind of hilarious. All right, what are we working with today, Cates?

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<v Katie>This is a really fun one. So I used ChatGPT to generate a whole bunch of episode

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<v Katie>ideas, as we keep recommending to all of you to do if you're looking for ideas.

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<v Katie>And Chat said to me, you know what would be really cool, Katie and Doc,

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<v Katie>if you just did a Fix My Flow episode, where someone from the flow,

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<v Katie>like a guest, a fan of the flow, a flow rider,

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<v Katie>came on and we answered their questions live and we talked through how to set up their show.

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<v Katie>And we were just there to help them for the entire time.

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<v Katie>So we've somehow tricked Bruce into joining us.

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<v Katie>It's going to be a guinea pig for this episode. So everyone be really, really nice to Bruce.

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<v Katie>Put on your hi, Bruce, welcome hats. And if you have any questions and you are

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<v Katie>experiencing anything that's similar to Bruce, feel free to drop those into

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<v Katie>the comments because we can help out.

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<v Katie>And if this show works well, as ChatGPT tells me it will, then we can do this

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<v Katie>going forward as like a regular not really a segment i guess a regular episode

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<v Katie>idea so hopefully it all works out smoothly.

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<v Doc>I really like it thanks i gotta tell you how hard

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<v Doc>it was for me not to sing feel me flow by naughty by nature

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<v Doc>and i saw this lady she said hey

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<v Doc>y'all she drops in the car she got a question got a question chad tell

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<v Doc>me what is that thing we're like you got this one friend and

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<v Doc>whenever you say a certain word they start singing a part of a song and

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<v Doc>this is just example I swear to you no less than 50

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<v Doc>people tagged me and wrote musical Tourette's

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<v Doc>in the thing and I was like this lady's gonna be like who's this guy because

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<v Doc>she doesn't know me but I got tagged in that video so many times I'm like sorry

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<v Doc>it's just I got medicine for it now it'll stop I think I hope all right let's

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<v Doc>bring on Bruce Luis and say what's happening Bruce welcome

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<v Doc>Parlez-vous français?

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<v Katie>A little bit. So I panic every time someone says that because I'm really good

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<v Katie>at reading in French and I can watch French programs and I can listen to French podcasts.

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<v Katie>But when someone says, say something in French, Katie, I just panic, just panic.

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<v Bruce>Très bien. Très bien.

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<v Katie>Yeah. Yeah. You're doing great, though. I'm just going to listen and not respond.

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<v Bruce>Comment allez-vous? I know that, too.

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<v Doc>Wait, how can you know French, Bruce? Explain.

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<v Bruce>Yeah. Well, I took two years in high school and some of that, a little bit.

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<v Bruce>I also like facile bovine. I know what that means too. I don't,

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<v Bruce>you know what that means, Katie?

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<v Katie>All I'm thinking of is easy cow, but it's not easy cow.

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<v Bruce>That's it. That's it. That's exactly it. We learned that when we were in.

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<v Katie>Oh, interesting. Bovine, because I would have used vash, which is another word

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<v Katie>for cow. But yeah, that's fun. I love it.

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<v Doc>See, I knew the bovine part because of cooking stuff, right?

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<v Doc>You got porcine and bovine, right?

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<v Doc>You know, cock du vin, you know, things like that. Actually,

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<v Doc>one of my favorite things to make in an Instant Pot.

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<v Doc>But yeah, let's not talk about food, Louise said. Stop it.

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<v Bruce>Listen, listen, though, you got to start doing a cooking show, Doc.

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<v Doc>I always think I should, but my kitchen is too small. I don't have space.

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<v Doc>I'll be banging into everything.

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<v Katie>That sounds like an excuse. No, it's not.

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<v Doc>It's really not.

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<v Bruce>Good job, Katie. Exactly. Another one of those excuses that we all like to put out there,

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<v Doc>Right? No, I can do one outside, though. If I had a grill in the backyard,

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<v Doc>my grilling show would be on.

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<v Doc>I've done some grilling videos on my YouTube channel back in the day.

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<v Doc>But me and my buddies do called Geeks Grilling. And then we would just talk

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<v Doc>about tech stuff while we're making steaks and telling people how to make a

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<v Doc>good grill steak. That'd be fun to bring back.

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<v Bruce>Oh yeah. I would watch.

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<v Doc>Nothing goes better than some steak and some tech news, right?

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<v Doc>I think it's a cool setup.

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<v Bruce>Especially when you're on MWB with Leo, he's always talking about food.

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<v Doc>Yeah. That's how Leo became friends. Cause all we talk about is food.

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<v Doc>I got him into the Japanese rice pots and Japanese rice stuff,

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<v Doc>and they never stopped talking about it now. Oh, golly.

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<v Bruce>The last, when they were talking about that pot thing where they put that little

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<v Bruce>electrical element down into it and it swirls, it keeps it at the same temperature

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<v Bruce>and they cook their food.

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<v Doc>I mean, that's the French word, dude. Come on. It's the soup. I know, I know.

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<v Bruce>No.

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<v Katie>You're taking a pulsar call.

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<v Doc>This is cool. So talk to us about your show and how do you need the flow fixing.

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<v Doc>That's it. That's another one. Write that down, Paul.

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<v Katie>That's the official kickoff right there.

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<v Bruce>There you go. My name is Bruce Horsman, and I've been in tech and been following

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<v Bruce>you, Doc, and Mac Break Weekly for over 20-some years and love when you're always on there.

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<v Bruce>But I finally got this urge, this exciting drive a couple of years ago,

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<v Bruce>and we kept my friend and I kept talking about this idea that he's the brain

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<v Bruce>part of it as far as working on people's brains.

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<v Bruce>And so what we're trying to do is get people past the less than mentality that

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<v Bruce>it just it hurts all of us.

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<v Bruce>And to be able to get past

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<v Bruce>that idea that you can do this you're

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<v Bruce>empowered to do this you have everything you need and in what we're working

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<v Bruce>with is students athletes parents and coaches to help because that's the big

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<v Bruce>problem with social media today is the compromise that social media creates

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<v Bruce>uh in the comparison mentality

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<v Bruce>And, you know, I'm comparing myself to Doc and Katie. I'm saying,

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<v Bruce>hey, look how great they are and look how terrible I am.

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<v Bruce>And so that terrible, that mindset we're trying to get past and help people

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<v Bruce>to understand that they can live an incredible life.

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<v Bruce>And some of it's faith-based as well, too. But a lot of it's just about helping

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<v Bruce>people become the better versions of themselves that they're supposed to be.

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<v Bruce>I love it. So what I'm struggling with is the confidence part of put the episode out there.

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<v Katie>Yeah.

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<v Bruce>Oh that's it that's that's my favorite subject

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<v Katie>Yeah doc's really good at this one because he forced me to do it so.

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<v Doc>This is legit my favorite doc

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<v Bruce>You listen i've got thick skin and i'm a big fellow so you can beat me up

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<v Doc>The first thing you have to remember and this is so hard

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<v Doc>because i think number one i don't think it's really taught

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<v Doc>number two i think in the language that we speak

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<v Doc>to each other and this doesn't matter whether i'm saying it

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<v Doc>in english japanese or korean like it all comes

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<v Doc>out the same way there's this concept of confidence is something you have to

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<v Doc>build up or you have to go and get it or you have to go and yes you know there's

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<v Doc>some store you know of course you can take or whatever i don't believe that

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<v Doc>commodity i think confidence is a switch

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<v Doc>confidence is the same thing as wet and dry it's either one or the other there's

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<v Doc>no such thing as both, right? That it's a binary situation.

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<v Doc>And so when you are confident about something, you are trusting yourself.

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<v Doc>Now the levels of confidence is different, but at the surface,

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<v Doc>it's wet and dry or black and white, light and dark, whatever, grayscale, right?

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<v Doc>And so the point of having confidence is turn on the switch.

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<v Doc>And once you turn on the switch, it's just on, The electricity is flowing.

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<v Doc>You can do that thing, right?

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<v Doc>Lack of confidence basically means I don't know enough about what I'm doing

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<v Doc>in order to go ahead and do it.

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<v Doc>And when you run into those situations, you remind yourself of all the many

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<v Doc>situations where you didn't know you didn't know, but you started anyway,

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<v Doc>because it was the thing to do.

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<v Doc>And then you got better and then you got better and then you got better.

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<v Doc>And my feet, my three favorite analogies all similarly coincide with each other.

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<v Doc>Walking, talking and wiping your own backside.

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<v Doc>Because you didn't know how to do none of them. And all you did was mirror the

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<v Doc>folks around you until you were able to do this.

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<v Doc>And it's not that somebody really taught you how to do any of the above.

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<v Doc>You just mirrored what was around you, right?

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<v Doc>Your parents don't teach you how to walk, you walk. Now your dad will hold you

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<v Doc>up or your mom will hold you up and put you on the feet and do the little thing

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<v Doc>that we all did, you know?

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<v Doc>But in the beginning, you just did it,

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<v Bruce>Right?

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<v Doc>So even the idea of making this sound, my niece used to do it when I was sleeping,

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<v Doc>when she learned how to crawl.

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<v Doc>She would crawl over to me, and she'd come to my ear and just go, ah, really loud.

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<v Doc>I was like, well, she'd just wake me up. But that was the beginning of her learning

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<v Doc>how to vocalize what we vocalize.

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<v Bruce>Sure.

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<v Doc>And having a loud uncle, her idea of modeling the words that come out of the

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<v Doc>other three quiet ones was this dude makes a lot of noise I'm gonna follow him

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<v Doc>because like she's my best friend

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<v Doc>right so instead of modeling like

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<v Doc>the the shyness and the other stuff that you know the grandma

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<v Doc>and mom and mother have have she modeled me

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<v Doc>and she started out loud and you

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<v Doc>swear to god she's a little puerto rican kid because she's loud she's just like

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<v Doc>louise right but that again it just comes from modeling so yeah you don't you

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<v Doc>don't have to worry about that because the feeling that you don't have it will

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<v Doc>crush you every time no matter what it is it will absolutely take your life away well

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<v Bruce>In this in this most creators i didn't mean to cut you off katie i'm sorry you're

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<v Katie>Good go ahead.

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<v Bruce>I was just gonna say most creators that i've i've encountered that i've talked

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<v Bruce>to i've on chats and different things they're always caught up in this idea

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<v Bruce>of thinking they need more gear or they need more lights or more whatever

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<v Doc>And and

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<v Bruce>Really and Truly, it's just that they need more clarity. And you just gave me

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<v Bruce>a lot of clarity right there, Doc. I mean it.

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<v Bruce>And once that message is sharp, it navigates itself.

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<v Bruce>And then the tech becomes just an amplifier, not a crutch.

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<v Bruce>And so that's it. The clarity part of it is just do it. I've listened to Katie too.

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<v Bruce>She said for several, a month or so now, just put it out there,

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<v Bruce>get the stuff out there. and then we can tweak it, you know, as, as you go.

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<v Doc>You know, it's funny, risk giving leadership. Go ahead, Kate.

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<v Katie>I was just going to say, I'll say a couple of things. Cause I,

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<v Katie>I definitely have been on a path of this, a journey of this over the last few years.

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<v Katie>But what, what resonated, what resonated with me was initially doc saying,

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<v Katie>and this was years back to just start recording yourself doing like, you know,

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<v Katie>voice notes, video notes, It's like just get in the habit of seeing yourself

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<v Katie>on camera, saying things that no one else necessarily even needs to see,

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<v Katie>but just get into the habit of doing it.

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<v Katie>And I have to say that like that got me thinking, but it did not get me doing.

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<v Katie>What really clicked for me was holding myself accountable to something.

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<v Katie>So I knew if I said, okay, I'm going to start this podcast, but I'm going to

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<v Katie>tell everyone about it so that I know that all of my people,

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<v Katie>friends and family are going to say, hey, how's that podcast coming along?

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<v Katie>Hey, you know, like, how's it going? So that I knew that I would like set myself

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<v Katie>a date to do it. And I hadn't even set a complete date at that point.

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<v Katie>I was just like, I want to do this.

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<v Katie>Here's what I've been thinking about. I just started talking about it more publicly

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<v Katie>on social media, with friends and family, just started talking about it.

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<v Katie>And then having a co-host also really helped for me. So I know,

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<v Katie>Bruce, you were saying that you had a co-host.

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<v Katie>Because then there was someone else that I was also accountable to,

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<v Katie>right? It wasn't just mine. Someone else was going to be there.

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<v Katie>So I knew I needed to show up, even if I didn't feel great, even if I didn't.

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<v Katie>It gave me some level of accountability. so those

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<v Katie>things helped me at least like push myself to get

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<v Katie>started and then for me the format helped

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<v Katie>a lot because again I was doing it really publicly so

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<v Katie>there was no like because I was live streaming my episodes which doesn't work

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<v Katie>for everyone but like it worked for me in that it was very again then very public

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<v Katie>and people started showing up friends and family initially I mean no one for

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<v Katie>the first episode literally no one and then and then friends and family started

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<v Katie>showing up for the second and third whatever episodes.

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<v Katie>And now I feel if I don't show up, I need to like let people know why I'm not

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<v Katie>going to show up that week. There's a level of accountability built into that.

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<v Katie>But what was really cool in the process, and I will find the link to send to

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<v Katie>you later, is one of our friends, Kat Mulvihill.

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<v Katie>Huge shout out to Kat. She's incredible.

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<v Bruce>Love her.

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<v Katie>She's recently created this formula that she calls Momentum.

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<v Katie>She now has a YouTube channel she's building around it.

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<v Katie>What I think really clicked for me in that, in that experience,

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<v Katie>in that process was that she,

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<v Katie>her formula basically says that everyone has a different mindset and a different

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<v Katie>way that they approach these kinds of things and think about things and,

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<v Katie>and build confidence and all of this, right?

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<v Katie>Like your mind functions differently than my mind docs functions differently than both of us.

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<v Katie>And so for me, like, right.

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<v Katie>Docs doesn't function at all. But for me going through that training,

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<v Katie>actually got me realizing that when it comes to video creation,

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<v Katie>I actually, when I overplan it, when I have like a full script,

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<v Katie>when I've looked at everyone else's videos, when I've like thought it out to

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<v Katie>death and I've written it all out to death, when it comes to actually recording,

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<v Katie>that's crippling for me.

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<v Katie>And I just turn everything off because I've like, now I've compared everyone

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<v Katie>and I've panicked and I can't, I can't get through that block.

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<v Katie>And so what happened, what helped me with that training was thinking through,

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<v Katie>oh, actually I'm much more of a presenter mindset.

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<v Katie>Like I, and this is what Ecamm calls it, not what Kat calls it,

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<v Katie>but like, I, I like knowing what the topic is I'm going to talk about and then

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<v Katie>having no notes at all or very, very few notes because I know that content intimately.

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<v Katie>I've done the research for it, or I understand that concept.

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<v Katie>And then I just, I know I can wing it to some level and talk about it and it's

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<v Katie>going to be more conversational and I'm happy with the outcome on the other side.

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<v Katie>So, so I can now set myself up for success in that format, knowing that I will

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<v Katie>record the video or I will do the live stream if I know what the topic is.

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<v Katie>And if I've spent the time to really make sure that I understand it,

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<v Katie>the confidence will come, you know, maybe it's okay.

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<v Katie>The video is not the exact way I wanted it, but I'm really happy generally with

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<v Katie>how the outcome is there. And so that.

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<v Katie>Thinking about it from the mindset really helps because I think sometimes just

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<v Katie>start is hard for people. And I think just start live is hard for people.

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<v Katie>And I think like how we say sometimes to approach these things doesn't work

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<v Katie>for everyone's mind. So that worked a ton for my mindset.

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<v Katie>And that training was really helpful in kind of taking what I knew to be true

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<v Katie>from what Doc was saying, what I knew to be true from what I was experiencing,

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<v Katie>and that I really wanted to do it.

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<v Katie>But there was definitely a blocker there. So that's my rant on that and where

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<v Katie>I live these days in that space.

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<v Bruce>No, that's good. That's really good. And I appreciate that because I've been

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<v Bruce>watching a lot over the last month, you and Doc with all the just do it,

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<v Bruce>get up there, put it out there, unscripted or as little as scripting as possible.

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<v Bruce>And then that was why I sent that video to you that I did.

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<v Katie>Yeah.

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<v Bruce>And, you know, and since then, even it's really hit home because,

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<v Bruce>you know, like Doc and I, we've been creating content since way before YouTube

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<v Bruce>or any of these other things ever existed.

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<v Bruce>It was back when streaming platforms were eight track tapes or cassette tapes.

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<v Bruce>That's when we were doing it back then. We were doing cart machines to do our,

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<v Bruce>you know, using cart machines and a little razor and tape to put together our ads.

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<v Bruce>And so it was easy to sit behind this when there was nothing. here.

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<v Bruce>But now, I mean, I've, I've, I've stood in front of hundreds and hundreds of

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<v Bruce>people before, you know, teaching and preaching and doing, cause I'm, I'm also a pastor.

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<v Bruce>And so that part is easy. It like right now I'm like anxiety.

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<v Bruce>It's just like pounding in my chest because I know there's people watching.

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<v Bruce>I'm looking at two mentors here in front of me.

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<v Bruce>And, and so that's the part is just amazing.

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<v Bruce>Do it. Yeah. Let's do it.

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<v Doc>Paul?

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<v Bruce>And so we have a start date. We

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<v Bruce>do have a start date. And we're looking September 10th is our start date.

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<v Katie>Oh, there you go. So everyone watching, now we can all hold Bruce accountable to that.

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<v Katie>September 10th. That's a great start date. But it is so funny,

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<v Katie>Bruce, because you have this amazing – you've actually checked all of the boxes

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<v Katie>that most people don't have, right?

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<v Katie>Your space looks good. You have all of the correct gear.

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<v Katie>You know how to use it. You have a production background, which is leagues above

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<v Katie>90% of people that get started in this.

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<v Katie>And you have a presentation background because of all of the work that you've

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<v Katie>done as a pastor. You're used to getting up in front of people.

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<v Katie>So it really hilariously is a mindset shift in this because it's instead of

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<v Katie>people sitting in front of you, it's people watching from a viewpoint.

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<v Doc>We can cover your perfection thing in one fell swoop right here.

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<v Doc>Go right ahead. I was going to say this because Rolf, actually,

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<v Doc>I realized that Risk-Given Leadership now is Rolf because he told us.

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<v Doc>And I've seen the book cover before because it's purple.

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<v Doc>Yes. So if it's purple, I've seen it, Rolf. First of all, you're starting your

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<v Doc>podcast two days too early, but I'll take the birthday present anyway.

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<v Bruce>Oh, well, we can push it to the top.

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<v Doc>No, don't push anything. No, don't push it. You're not allowed.

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<v Bruce>Okay.

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<v Doc>So sorry, Faith Leader people. I'm going to be mean to you right now for one second.

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<v Doc>You are not allowed to be like, I don't have the confidence for this because

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<v Doc>you stand in front of people every week telling them to have faith and then

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<v Doc>you don't have faith in yourself.

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<v Doc>And then, hold on, I'm not done yet. You got to take this whole whooping.

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<v Doc>The other one that crushes me is according to your own teaching,

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<v Doc>there's only one perfect entity in the planet.

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<v Doc>And he don't make mistakes according to your book. And it's not you.

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<v Doc>So you can't be a mistake. You can't be broken.

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<v Doc>You can't be wrong. You can't have any of those things wrong with you because

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<v Doc>he made you to fulfill this purpose that he made you here for.

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<v Doc>So you're not allowed to have the excuses that us secular folks have because

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<v Doc>you have told us to read the book and have faith and that there's only one perfect situation.

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<v Doc>And you want to live in the best image to support your higher power.

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<v Doc>So I'm sorry, your excuses land really crooked on the secular ear.

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<v Bruce>It's no one...

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<v Doc>Absolutely. You're writing blank checks. So I just want everybody,

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<v Doc>and I don't care what you do.

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<v Doc>You do that, but you're not allowed to have those excuses at the same time you

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<v Doc>tell us that we're supposed to have faith in X, Y, Z, X, Y, Z.

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<v Doc>You have to have faith in yourself because no mistakes were made, right?

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<v Bruce>Right.

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<v Doc>And you have this. And the reason why you feel this anxiety and the reason why

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<v Doc>you feel this pain is because you care.

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<v Katie>It's because you care, yeah.

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<v Doc>It's the people that don't care that would just put out rubbish and whatever.

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<v Doc>And so that, that desire that keeps bringing you back, that is the call or the

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<v Doc>drive or the motivation. I don't care how you label it.

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<v Doc>Like you could label water, 87 different things. It's still wet and delicious.

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<v Doc>Well, unless you're in Flint, Michigan.

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<v Bruce>Yeah that's him right here

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<v Doc>Right so because you got the water like

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<v Doc>think of it as that like your your ability

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<v Doc>to do this right this is mission critical for you right

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<v Doc>when i woke up in the morning and i donned my hat tied up my boots right we

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<v Doc>went to formation and they gave us our marching orders we knew exactly what

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<v Doc>we were doing that day and in a way that drive that field that fire even even

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<v Doc>to put yourself on the chopping block knowing what a-hole i am

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<v Doc>means you care you've

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<v Katie>Already done the hardest thing.

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<v Doc>Yeah right that totally means you care you're like i am going to defenestrate

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<v Doc>myself because i know that i have to do this

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<v Doc>And because of what you're talking about is kind of what I talk about,

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<v Doc>I know for a fact you need to do this.

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<v Doc>People are waiting to hear from you because they'll listen to you different

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<v Doc>than me simply for the fact you're a pious.

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<v Doc>Some people won't listen to me because that dude's a heathen.

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<v Doc>I can't listen to him. So then you got to cover my slack. You're not a heathen.

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<v Bruce>You just like to tell everybody.

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<v Doc>Of course I like to say that. But, you know, you have to do it for the people that won't listen to me.

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<v Doc>So if anything you could be like i can catch strays that you know that aren't

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<v Doc>going to hear doc because he's so abrasive right

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<v Bruce>I need to work on being adult catcher too

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<v Doc>Yeah

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<v Doc>so yeah like this is awesome like this is really really awesome and i'm i am

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<v Doc>so glad that you put yourself in there but i do have one crazy question for

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<v Doc>you are being a notre dame kid are there three more of you get it bruce hortz

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<v Doc>i'm sorry i could no it's awesome i had to do it you're

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<v Bruce>A notre dame

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<v Doc>Fan all day golden dome there you go go irish yeah that's the one part of my

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<v Doc>catholicism that didn't get shaken was there you go hail

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<v Bruce>To the victor valiant hail to the conquering hero

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<v Doc>Right absolutely absolutely i

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<v Katie>Want to talk a little bit about show structure because i do think that that

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<v Katie>a run of show and show structure is a really great way to help get a little

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<v Katie>bit more confident about,

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<v Katie>you know, about doing this thing.

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<v Katie>And obviously tools like Ecamm do make it a little bit easier to be able to do that. Right.

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<v Katie>So in the same way that you spent the time, you know, building out what gear

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<v Katie>is in your space and hopefully understanding how to use all of it,

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<v Katie>I assume so, since you're here, since you're using it correctly.

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<v Bruce>The lights aren't too bright, right?

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<v Katie>The lights aren't too bright.

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<v Doc>Everything looks good, right?

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<v Katie>Everything looks good.

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<v Bruce>Listen doc this is an ode to you right here see it

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<v Doc>Yes i see it i love it i love

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<v Bruce>It here you go

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<v Katie>But I would say like, if you haven't already, and I assume you probably have,

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<v Katie>because I think you've got a few, you said you have a few episodes already in

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<v Katie>the bag and ready to release on your September 10th date.

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<v Katie>But I would say creating like a simple,

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<v Katie>maybe three or four scene structure that you can fall back on that's repeatable,

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<v Katie>because getting in the habit of doing that and kind of building up that muscle

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<v Katie>memory by doing that week after week or month after month or whatever your frequency

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<v Katie>is for your show is going to help you feel more confident as well.

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<v Katie>Because if, you know, you don't have your bullet points that day,

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<v Katie>or you don't know what you're going to talk about, or things go like horribly

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<v Katie>awry and your host goes off on some crazy tangent, right?

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<v Katie>Like having those simple scenes where you like, you're like,

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<v Katie>okay, well at its foundation, my show needs to have an intro,

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<v Katie>the main points and an outro, like visually seeing that in Ecamm is going to

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<v Katie>help you be like, okay, I know now we plan to be here for 30 minutes.

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<v Katie>I need to start wrapping up. I need to get over to the outro scene.

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<v Katie>Those visual cues and reminders are going to help you feel more confident and

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<v Katie>keep you a little bit on track, even if they're very simple.

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<v Katie>And I would stress probably simple to start off with, if not keep them simple

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<v Katie>all the way through would be a great way to go.

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<v Katie>They don't have to be huge, tons of graphics or anything like flying across.

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<v Katie>But I think having even just those three would really go a long way in helping

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<v Katie>you feel more comfortable doing it on a regular basis.

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<v Bruce>And that's the thing you guys have hit both pieces i mean all all of the all

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<v Bruce>the points have been pushed all the buttons i guess whatever you want to say

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<v Bruce>because i've been a graphic designer i mean i created that right yeah

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<v Katie>You've got the background you have.

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<v Bruce>I mean i've been creating graphics and designing and so i i can do the the the

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<v Bruce>the slide deck i can do the you know the the thumbnails the promos all the different things

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<v Bruce>It's just, and that's the great thing about our podcast.

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<v Bruce>It's very, like yours is, very conversational.

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<v Bruce>And we want it to be that there's, there's little to no script.

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<v Bruce>I have, you know, eight questions that we're going to go over,

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<v Bruce>but everything is us in our banter and his knowledge that he's bringing.

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<v Bruce>Cause he studied the mind. He understands the mind and it's, it's crazy.

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<v Bruce>I'm sitting here that you all keep giving this back to me.

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<v Bruce>It's all this stuff that we're teaching beyond limits, you know,

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<v Bruce>pushing ourselves in our mindset, getting beyond the less than mentality.

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<v Bruce>And you all are like, it's a great mirror today. I have to say,

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<v Bruce>I hope you continue to do this.

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<v Katie>You're in the best position though too for it, Bruce, because,

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<v Katie>and this again, like this helped with me a lot.

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<v Katie>Like it's not about you and you have a co-host who has all of the knowledge

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<v Katie>in this space. So you literally are just a facilitator.

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<v Katie>So if you continue to tell yourself every time, like my face needs to be on

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<v Katie>camera so that it's a better conversation, but it's not about me at all.

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<v Katie>Literally all I have to do is listen and take those pieces that he's saying

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<v Katie>and be curious and ask more questions.

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<v Katie>That's your only goal for the like, lock yourself into whatever your timeframe is.

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<v Katie>And your only goal is ask interesting questions, facilitate questions that you

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<v Katie>see come, you know, if you're live streaming, you facilitate questions that

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<v Katie>you've received or that you see coming through.

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<v Katie>And then he does the rest. Like he does all the heavy lifting,

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<v Katie>even more than Sunday service, right?

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<v Bruce>Like he's doing all the lifting. It's the Ted Lasso thing. Yeah.

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<v Bruce>It's the Ted Lasso, be curious. Yeah. yeah

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<v Doc>That's my one of my favorite things in the world is to be curious you know what

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<v Doc>uh bruce you get to be merry you get to be the vessel yeah

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<v Bruce>Yes that's that's the

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<v Bruce>thing is in after the the thing i sent you the the short little clip that i'd

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<v Bruce>sent you well it's actually nine minutes sorry it wasn't short it was great

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<v Bruce>um but after i'd sent that to you we went to go put one out put a put an episode

00:27:00.936 --> 00:27:03.036

<v Bruce>out and the lighting was I mean,

00:27:03.216 --> 00:27:06.436

<v Bruce>I don't usually cuss, but I mean, it looked like shit.

00:27:07.116 --> 00:27:15.176

<v Bruce>It looked terrible. It looked like he was doing scary ghost stories along behind the campfire light.

00:27:16.356 --> 00:27:22.716

<v Bruce>And I just lost my mind. I thought, I can't do this. I'm screwed it up. I'm a mess.

00:27:22.936 --> 00:27:28.156

<v Bruce>But then you all, I watched your next episode and it was, be conversational.

00:27:28.816 --> 00:27:33.796

<v Bruce>Don't use a script. That was the very next thing. This was about three weeks ago. Yeah. And.

00:27:34.691 --> 00:27:37.911

<v Bruce>So that's why I put that out to you then, Katie, was I thought,

00:27:37.971 --> 00:27:40.051

<v Bruce>I'm doing this. I got to get this out here.

00:27:40.211 --> 00:27:45.111

<v Bruce>And I want somebody to just be honest and critique it and just beat me up.

00:27:45.231 --> 00:27:47.651

<v Doc>What was amazing, Bruce, was you did it quickly, though. Like,

00:27:47.791 --> 00:27:50.731

<v Doc>we hung up the flow. I went upstairs and I made coffee.

00:27:51.091 --> 00:27:54.671

<v Doc>And then Paul and Katie go into the Slack. And they're like,

00:27:54.731 --> 00:27:58.271

<v Doc>hey, Bruce already signed up to be the first sheep. And I was like, wait, what?

00:27:58.811 --> 00:28:02.671

<v Doc>And I was like, yo, we just finished the episode. Like, so it was probably the

00:28:02.671 --> 00:28:07.811

<v Doc>nine minutes after we hung up, you made that video and then sent the email and

00:28:07.811 --> 00:28:13.751

<v Doc>Katie's fast with email and like legit, I swear it was legit barely after we,

00:28:13.931 --> 00:28:15.611

<v Doc>like I was getting ready to do the next show.

00:28:15.791 --> 00:28:18.491

<v Doc>Cause I do another show after this. And then we got the thing.

00:28:18.611 --> 00:28:21.531

<v Doc>I was like, wow, that was fast. So you're, you're in the right,

00:28:21.811 --> 00:28:23.351

<v Doc>you're legit in the right spot.

00:28:23.671 --> 00:28:27.091

<v Doc>And I, I mean, personally, I can't wait to see what you're creating.

00:28:27.851 --> 00:28:33.891

<v Doc>We have a really good example this week that came up.

00:28:34.371 --> 00:28:40.591

<v Doc>So nicest guy on the planet, Ed Carr, he is a piano player. I'm not saying that

00:28:40.591 --> 00:28:42.771

<v Doc>other word, Ed. I don't like that word.

00:28:43.171 --> 00:28:44.251

<v Katie>He plays the piano.

00:28:44.451 --> 00:28:49.271

<v Doc>Piano player. And he creates worship songs, worship music.

00:28:49.571 --> 00:28:52.611

<v Doc>And he's like a composer, but

00:28:52.611 --> 00:28:55.411

<v Doc>he also is teaching people who play in house worship like you

00:28:55.411 --> 00:28:58.311

<v Doc>know how to use the music to help carry the

00:28:58.311 --> 00:29:01.071

<v Doc>story things of this nature and ed had

00:29:01.071 --> 00:29:04.511

<v Doc>come to camp with us so he's been to all the trainings he

00:29:04.511 --> 00:29:07.271

<v Doc>did all the things like and i was just getting on to people's

00:29:07.271 --> 00:29:10.911

<v Doc>cases who are like still procrastinate learning i'm like at some point you gotta

00:29:10.911 --> 00:29:16.511

<v Doc>just go you cannot spend the whole time in like you know driver's school eventually

00:29:16.511 --> 00:29:21.091

<v Doc>you gotta drive somewhere right and i don't know what gave him the fire but

00:29:21.091 --> 00:29:25.111

<v Doc>maybe like nine days ago Ed decided, okay, I'm just going to give in.

00:29:25.391 --> 00:29:29.231

<v Doc>And so he's been doing it every day, posting it, like shaking the cobwebs out.

00:29:29.531 --> 00:29:33.791

<v Doc>And even before you release your episode, just to get used to the flow,

00:29:33.971 --> 00:29:35.951

<v Doc>that's a funny word. We should use that in the show title.

00:29:36.371 --> 00:29:39.871

<v Doc>Just to get used to the flow of creating, speaking on camera,

00:29:40.391 --> 00:29:42.511

<v Doc>you know, not over editing yourself, things like that.

00:29:42.671 --> 00:29:44.851

<v Doc>It might even be worth doing a little sprint

00:29:45.737 --> 00:29:52.157

<v Doc>of like pre-show talks, introducing the show to the people before the actual

00:29:52.157 --> 00:29:59.737

<v Doc>show, the way that we had to watch three months of Brad Pitt F1 previews on everything on Apple TV.

00:30:00.517 --> 00:30:04.277

<v Doc>So true. Listen, I can't wait to watch that movie.

00:30:04.517 --> 00:30:08.737

<v Doc>I'm waiting for this weekend when the holiday comes so that Emma and I can go,

00:30:08.817 --> 00:30:09.737

<v Doc>now that she started school.

00:30:10.977 --> 00:30:15.957

<v Doc>But I just really wanted you to do it like that because that way your reps are already there.

00:30:16.117 --> 00:30:20.237

<v Doc>So even when you come through, you're not really cold. You're kind of warmed up.

00:30:20.397 --> 00:30:23.977

<v Doc>And I also want to take a time just in case he watches this to give another

00:30:23.977 --> 00:30:27.377

<v Doc>big shout out to Ed because it wasn't easy for him.

00:30:27.477 --> 00:30:30.397

<v Doc>You know what I mean? I just, I know it's not easy.

00:30:30.597 --> 00:30:33.677

<v Doc>We say the word easy because we need to keep you in that right mindset.

00:30:34.217 --> 00:30:40.497

<v Doc>But I do understand how much energy it takes to put yourself up there and we

00:30:40.497 --> 00:30:45.277

<v Doc>should never take away from it. In that same vein, though, once you do it,

00:30:45.497 --> 00:30:46.837

<v Doc>you've got to celebrate that.

00:30:47.317 --> 00:30:51.097

<v Doc>Right? I watch Katie. I like that. Every time we've got to go on stage,

00:30:51.357 --> 00:30:54.357

<v Doc>she's about to drop bricks out of her backside.

00:30:54.597 --> 00:30:59.357

<v Doc>But once she gets up there and she got like a – I was going to say it my normal

00:30:59.357 --> 00:31:00.157

<v Doc>way because you're here.

00:31:01.197 --> 00:31:05.817

<v Doc>Once she gets up there and she gets into her flow and everybody's feeding back

00:31:05.817 --> 00:31:07.777

<v Doc>and, you know, she's feeding off the energy.

00:31:08.217 --> 00:31:11.897

<v Doc>Like, it goes away like that. And then Katie's in her element and she's doing

00:31:11.897 --> 00:31:15.717

<v Doc>her thing and everybody just says, oh, my God, you guys presentation was amazing.

00:31:17.517 --> 00:31:22.417

<v Doc>Trust you me. There are people that play baseball, hockey, football, basketball, whatever.

00:31:22.737 --> 00:31:26.137

<v Doc>Every time they go out there and sing Canadian anthem, American anthem,

00:31:26.277 --> 00:31:29.197

<v Doc>whatever, they're they're doing the same thing with the bricks.

00:31:29.537 --> 00:31:33.617

<v Doc>But once the game starts, you know, the all is good. You know,

00:31:33.737 --> 00:31:36.997

<v Doc>they're spending 15 minutes in a penalty box because they're having such a good game.

00:31:37.457 --> 00:31:41.117

<v Doc>You know what I mean? So you have to remind yourself that even the pros get

00:31:41.117 --> 00:31:44.277

<v Doc>scared. That means you care. Again, that just means you care.

00:31:46.049 --> 00:31:48.489

<v Bruce>It's what you're saying is just trust the process.

00:31:48.649 --> 00:31:48.829

<v Doc>Yes.

00:31:49.049 --> 00:31:50.289

<v Katie>Yeah. It also everything.

00:31:50.589 --> 00:31:51.149

<v Bruce>Go ahead.

00:31:51.429 --> 00:31:54.549

<v Katie>There are some things that are always going to be true. And this is like hard

00:31:54.549 --> 00:31:57.529

<v Katie>even for me to say and to hear as well, because like you, Bruce,

00:31:57.609 --> 00:31:59.409

<v Katie>I I'm an overthinker and a perfectionist.

00:31:59.529 --> 00:32:01.749

<v Katie>But this is this is a perfectionist space.

00:32:01.929 --> 00:32:07.649

<v Katie>But like I'm almost 100 episodes into my personal podcast, which like what Doc

00:32:07.649 --> 00:32:10.349

<v Katie>was saying was just like a could I actually do this?

00:32:10.489 --> 00:32:13.629

<v Katie>Would people actually care kind of project? and there

00:32:13.629 --> 00:32:16.349

<v Katie>are episodes that I feel really good about and I really

00:32:16.349 --> 00:32:19.569

<v Katie>like and then there are episodes where I'm like oh wow that didn't

00:32:19.569 --> 00:32:22.569

<v Katie>at all turn out the way that I wanted to and I have to like literally fight

00:32:22.569 --> 00:32:28.209

<v Katie>myself from wanting to like remove them from YouTube redo them like go online

00:32:28.209 --> 00:32:33.049

<v Katie>and be like so sorry everyone like I really hated that episode and I'm glad

00:32:33.049 --> 00:32:36.389

<v Katie>that I don't like I fight that urge because there are people that will come

00:32:36.389 --> 00:32:40.189

<v Katie>back and like that's their favorite episode or like something about that really resonated.

00:32:40.509 --> 00:32:44.269

<v Katie>But like, so it's never, like not only is it never going to be perfect,

00:32:44.469 --> 00:32:48.709

<v Katie>but there are even like years from now going to be things about your show that you hate.

00:32:48.929 --> 00:32:51.169

<v Katie>You're going to see, like as you said at the top of the episode,

00:32:51.369 --> 00:32:54.989

<v Katie>like you're going to see someone else that's in the same space that is like

00:32:54.989 --> 00:32:58.369

<v Katie>nailing it in a way that you were like, why am I not nailing it in that way?

00:32:58.509 --> 00:33:01.829

<v Katie>And they're feeling insecure about, you know, this, that, or the other.

00:33:01.949 --> 00:33:03.989

<v Katie>So like you're never going to get rid of the butterflies.

00:33:04.209 --> 00:33:07.809

<v Katie>You're never going to get rid of overthinking it And, you know,

00:33:07.949 --> 00:33:11.369

<v Katie>and seeing like the poor lighting and being like, I can't possibly release that.

00:33:11.789 --> 00:33:14.989

<v Katie>Like those moments are still always going to happen. No matter how many reps

00:33:14.989 --> 00:33:17.809

<v Katie>you get in, there's always going to be something about it that you don't quite

00:33:17.809 --> 00:33:21.409

<v Katie>like, that isn't quite perfect, that isn't as good as so-and-so's.

00:33:21.669 --> 00:33:24.329

<v Katie>But like, but everyone feels that way.

00:33:24.689 --> 00:33:28.369

<v Katie>Absolutely every single person feels that way. Even like the best of the best

00:33:28.369 --> 00:33:31.249

<v Katie>in sports and acting and whatever else feel that way. Yeah.

00:33:31.955 --> 00:33:35.555

<v Katie>The only difference is that they are able to push through it and keep going,

00:33:35.555 --> 00:33:38.515

<v Katie>and many of us are blocked, and it stops us from doing it.

00:33:38.655 --> 00:33:42.755

<v Katie>So please know that you are not alone in that feeling, and even people who have

00:33:42.755 --> 00:33:45.755

<v Katie>been doing it for years and years stare at their stuff and are like,

00:33:45.875 --> 00:33:48.675

<v Katie>oh, wow, I wish I could do it as good as so-and-so.

00:33:48.755 --> 00:33:54.055

<v Katie>I wish I had this different thing. I wish that my episode turned out this different way.

00:33:54.835 --> 00:33:56.635

<v Katie>It's a never-ending battle.

00:33:57.035 --> 00:34:01.015

<v Doc>I would be lying if I said I didn't do that, too. like i still look at things

00:34:01.015 --> 00:34:06.275

<v Doc>and i wish that i could do it better or i you know oftentimes wish i had the

00:34:06.275 --> 00:34:12.695

<v Doc>the studio space of so many other people like i'm in an eight by eight box right um and i

00:34:12.695 --> 00:34:14.215

<v Bruce>Wish i could show you mine mine's not much

00:34:14.215 --> 00:34:18.835

<v Doc>Bigger yeah and and katie's is about the same too and the daughter took over

00:34:18.835 --> 00:34:20.995

<v Doc>the other half of the room so yeah mine's

00:34:20.995 --> 00:34:21.875

<v Katie>Maybe a four by four.

00:34:22.615 --> 00:34:27.775

<v Doc>When I see this, okay, we did a, this is so, this is crazy insane,

00:34:27.775 --> 00:34:34.635

<v Doc>but we did a partnership with Kit, you know, the, the email marketing platform.

00:34:35.175 --> 00:34:38.535

<v Doc>And then we walked into Kit Studios, the first one in Chicago.

00:34:39.395 --> 00:34:42.415

<v Doc>And I'm like, why don't, why can't my space look like that?

00:34:42.575 --> 00:34:45.895

<v Doc>Well, because you have to live there too, right? You have to do a bunch of other work.

00:34:45.995 --> 00:34:49.515

<v Doc>But like, if I could take all of this in here and take it all out and just build

00:34:49.515 --> 00:34:53.095

<v Doc>it the way Kit Studio is, it would work. And I have another back room,

00:34:53.135 --> 00:34:58.095

<v Doc>but that back room is storage because in Hawaii, condos are 1,100 square feet.

00:34:58.295 --> 00:35:02.635

<v Doc>So I need that extra room. Otherwise, I can't live.

00:35:02.835 --> 00:35:05.735

<v Doc>Everything in there is part of business or real estate signs,

00:35:05.835 --> 00:35:07.495

<v Doc>some of my woodworking gear.

00:35:08.195 --> 00:35:12.855

<v Doc>There's no way I have a space. To build a space like what kids built in Hawaii

00:35:12.855 --> 00:35:14.795

<v Doc>would cost me like $3,000 a month.

00:35:15.643 --> 00:35:20.943

<v Doc>Right yes so yeah i just got to have the little weird messy closet and do what

00:35:20.943 --> 00:35:27.623

<v Doc>i can with this and so trust me those feelings are not normal i mean not normal they're not not normal

00:35:28.323 --> 00:35:31.583

<v Bruce>Whatever you know what it is i don't have

00:35:31.583 --> 00:35:35.623

<v Doc>Coffee yet no coffee it's all right no addy we're stuck here

00:35:35.623 --> 00:35:43.423

<v Bruce>I get it i do i mean and i understand i mean like i said you know i can i get

00:35:43.423 --> 00:35:47.903

<v Bruce>up in front of folks and I can talk to them about my faith or I can talk to

00:35:47.903 --> 00:35:50.523

<v Bruce>them about what we're talking about here with Beyond Limits.

00:35:51.483 --> 00:35:55.623

<v Bruce>And when I'm in front of folks, I still get nervous, but I can go out there

00:35:55.623 --> 00:35:59.583

<v Bruce>and I can hit it and I can, you know, and the muscle memory just kicks in.

00:36:00.203 --> 00:36:04.923

<v Bruce>And one of the things I do at our church too, also every Sunday is I host on stage,

00:36:05.083 --> 00:36:08.123

<v Bruce>which it's kind of like the johnny carson thing where ed mcmahon

00:36:08.123 --> 00:36:13.063

<v Bruce>comes out says here's johnny and so

00:36:13.063 --> 00:36:18.463

<v Bruce>what we do is we don't do announcements we like to i like to call it like we're

00:36:18.463 --> 00:36:22.503

<v Bruce>sneaking up on them and then trying to get them to understand what the important

00:36:22.503 --> 00:36:27.363

<v Bruce>announcement is so i always try to do it like i'm at the kitchen table like

00:36:27.363 --> 00:36:31.523

<v Bruce>we're having a conversation and i've got to take that same mindset and apply

00:36:31.523 --> 00:36:32.743

<v Bruce>that to what we're doing here.

00:36:33.883 --> 00:36:38.643

<v Bruce>And one of the most important things a mentor told me, it's actually Marty,

00:36:38.883 --> 00:36:41.863

<v Bruce>the gentleman that I'm doing the podcast with, he told me this probably about

00:36:41.863 --> 00:36:43.563

<v Bruce>six years ago. He said this, he said,

00:36:45.126 --> 00:36:49.446

<v Bruce>get paid for what you know, not what you do.

00:36:51.606 --> 00:36:54.026

<v Bruce>And, you know, I thought about that for a second. I thought,

00:36:54.226 --> 00:36:56.426

<v Bruce>get paid for what I know, not what I do.

00:36:56.606 --> 00:36:59.626

<v Bruce>And that has changed how I show up to everything now.

00:36:59.946 --> 00:37:03.266

<v Bruce>I mean, whether it's at church or whether it's with my, my wife's a professional

00:37:03.266 --> 00:37:05.606

<v Bruce>singer here in the Miami Valley near Dayton, Ohio.

00:37:05.946 --> 00:37:09.906

<v Bruce>She travels and sings, she, she writes her own songs and

00:37:09.906 --> 00:37:12.626

<v Bruce>uh you know she gets up on stage and she

00:37:12.626 --> 00:37:16.706

<v Bruce>just you know she's getting paid for what she knows now and i love that about

00:37:16.706 --> 00:37:20.566

<v Bruce>what she's doing and i'm trying to feed into that for her too and support her

00:37:20.566 --> 00:37:26.606

<v Bruce>and but i've realized that my value isn't just the effort but it's about the

00:37:26.606 --> 00:37:31.226

<v Bruce>experience and the perspective that i bring that and so that

00:37:31.226 --> 00:37:34.546

<v Katie>Right there exactly yes.

00:37:34.546 --> 00:37:36.006

<v Bruce>You listen you

00:37:36.006 --> 00:37:41.406

<v Doc>Know what When you're driving, we have our headlights, right?

00:37:41.506 --> 00:37:43.186

<v Doc>And our headlights can only give us so much.

00:37:43.706 --> 00:37:49.386

<v Doc>And I know that when I first started driving around where headquarters is,

00:37:50.046 --> 00:37:56.746

<v Doc>I was mostly in awe with the just lovely old school houses and areas where people

00:37:56.746 --> 00:38:01.786

<v Doc>could plant things outside and ride a riding lawnmower because I can't do that here. I gave that up.

00:38:02.126 --> 00:38:05.246

<v Doc>And I'm like, oh, I kind of wish I could do that, right? go to Katie's house

00:38:05.246 --> 00:38:06.986

<v Doc>and it's gorgeous, right?

00:38:07.146 --> 00:38:10.406

<v Doc>Like the, the outside, like I would live outside basically. What's that?

00:38:10.466 --> 00:38:13.886

<v Doc>It get kind of cold over there. I'll take that back. I can't even eat outside.

00:38:15.426 --> 00:38:18.406

<v Doc>No Canadian Thanksgiving. I was dying because I was freezing.

00:38:18.506 --> 00:38:20.526

<v Doc>Everybody else is like, this is nice weather, Kate.

00:38:20.666 --> 00:38:25.506

<v Doc>And what's wrong with the dude at the end? I'm like, but you know,

00:38:25.606 --> 00:38:30.626

<v Doc>you only have that 200 feet or so that you can see in front of you based on your headlights. Yeah.

00:38:31.524 --> 00:38:37.104

<v Doc>Yes. But the more I've gone back and forth, you know, with work and then going

00:38:37.104 --> 00:38:40.324

<v Doc>to I got to pick up something from Katie's house to go get her or we're just

00:38:40.324 --> 00:38:41.244

<v Doc>going to go back to the office.

00:38:41.444 --> 00:38:46.784

<v Doc>Now I can drive and not even think about where I'm going.

00:38:47.004 --> 00:38:51.444

<v Doc>Right. I know the 17 different ways to get to Katie's house,

00:38:51.544 --> 00:38:55.524

<v Doc>either the Clinton Street way or come around the backside from the farmway or,

00:38:55.544 --> 00:38:58.464

<v Doc>you know, come from Essex where I'm already in New Hampshire.

00:38:58.464 --> 00:39:00.524

<v Doc>I can come from any different angle.

00:39:00.724 --> 00:39:06.444

<v Doc>And even to our office, there is literally four routes you can take in the smallest town in the planet.

00:39:06.644 --> 00:39:09.944

<v Doc>There's four routes you can take to get to the center of Main Street.

00:39:11.544 --> 00:39:17.444

<v Doc>And the ability to do that without thinking about it now only came from having

00:39:17.444 --> 00:39:20.304

<v Doc>to drive back and forth from the office to the hotel, to the office,

00:39:20.364 --> 00:39:25.004

<v Doc>to the hotel, to Katie's house, to office, to the hotel, to Katie's new, new house. Right.

00:39:25.484 --> 00:39:28.844

<v Doc>And, you know, going to the Ken's house or Glenn's house or whatever.

00:39:29.044 --> 00:39:31.584

<v Doc>And now I drive around there. I don't even need the GPS.

00:39:32.724 --> 00:39:38.364

<v Doc>And when I realized that, it was because after the second, the first camp,

00:39:38.424 --> 00:39:40.284

<v Doc>I had to shuttle people, right?

00:39:40.384 --> 00:39:44.344

<v Doc>A lot of the teachers, we stayed in a different town and I had to shuttle some

00:39:44.344 --> 00:39:45.384

<v Doc>of the teachers back and forth.

00:39:45.944 --> 00:39:49.244

<v Doc>And the second time, like, I could just get up and go, right?

00:39:49.304 --> 00:39:50.924

<v Doc>Just grab by, get in the car and get there.

00:39:51.124 --> 00:39:54.164

<v Doc>But that's the reps. And people don't understand that that's the reps.

00:39:54.164 --> 00:39:57.524

<v Doc>But we changed that into other words like oh well now you're familiar with the

00:39:57.524 --> 00:40:04.204

<v Doc>area no you're not it's called reps bro you have driven you can go to the piggly

00:40:04.204 --> 00:40:08.444

<v Doc>wiggly wait you're in ohio um a.m. p.m.

00:40:08.744 --> 00:40:12.644

<v Katie>Kroger greater's ice cream you can go get greater's ice cream oh.

00:40:12.644 --> 00:40:17.424

<v Doc>My god katie and i have to go get greater's from cleveland to like I

00:40:17.424 --> 00:40:18.764

<v Bruce>Made taco way out of

00:40:18.764 --> 00:40:19.664

<v Doc>The way for Grader's.

00:40:20.624 --> 00:40:22.624

<v Bruce>Skyline chili and Grader's ice cream.

00:40:23.104 --> 00:40:28.324

<v Doc>Anyway, the fact is that you know how to get to Kroger without thinking about

00:40:28.324 --> 00:40:30.504

<v Doc>it because of the reps, right?

00:40:30.844 --> 00:40:36.484

<v Doc>Like I grew up going to Lawson's and the Lawson's was at the end of the block

00:40:36.484 --> 00:40:38.364

<v Doc>in my grandma's house in Shaker Heights.

00:40:39.004 --> 00:40:43.384

<v Doc>And well, Cleveland, if those are unfamiliar. And again, that just comes from,

00:40:43.504 --> 00:40:46.364

<v Doc>you know what Lawson's is because I had to walk their lots as a kid.

00:40:46.364 --> 00:40:52.064

<v Doc>You know i had to walk to kennedy high school as a kid a lot so you just know those because of reps oh

00:40:52.064 --> 00:40:52.864

<v Bruce>Kennedy high school

00:40:52.864 --> 00:40:59.444

<v Doc>Yeah so all the things that you know you know because of reps do the dang reps

00:40:59.444 --> 00:41:04.224

<v Doc>people like there's no i'm i'm i'll get the brag for a second today is going to be day

00:41:05.324 --> 00:41:12.324

<v Doc>299 of posting a long-form video to youtube every freaking day every day and

00:41:12.324 --> 00:41:16.524

<v Doc>those are reps And even though I came in as a quote unquote professional,

00:41:16.524 --> 00:41:22.324

<v Doc>I still have learned more and gotten better from doing 300 in a row.

00:41:23.424 --> 00:41:24.024

<v Bruce>Yes.

00:41:25.538 --> 00:41:26.218

<v Doc>I got you.

00:41:26.498 --> 00:41:32.798

<v Bruce>I, and listen, this is, this has been such a fantastic opportunity just to get,

00:41:33.218 --> 00:41:35.118

<v Bruce>you know, you all pouring into me.

00:41:35.978 --> 00:41:39.758

<v Bruce>One of the things I talk about all the time is, is that I can't sit in front

00:41:39.758 --> 00:41:41.738

<v Bruce>of the fire hydrant and drink.

00:41:41.938 --> 00:41:44.838

<v Bruce>There's just no way, especially when the caps off.

00:41:45.318 --> 00:41:50.838

<v Bruce>But what I can do is just like a cup of coffee. I can drip, I can drip into people.

00:41:51.538 --> 00:41:54.398

<v Bruce>I don't even like to pour into people. I don't even like that phrase.

00:41:54.398 --> 00:41:55.458

<v Bruce>I tell people all the time.

00:41:55.638 --> 00:41:58.678

<v Bruce>I don't pour into it. I want to drip because if I'm dripping,

00:41:59.058 --> 00:42:02.418

<v Bruce>then by the time it gets to the place, like if it's a good cup of coffee,

00:42:03.378 --> 00:42:07.738

<v Bruce>man, that's a great cup of coffee when it takes a long time to brew because

00:42:07.738 --> 00:42:13.258

<v Bruce>it's seeping through those grounds and it's percolating like the old percolators

00:42:13.258 --> 00:42:16.558

<v Bruce>that probably you and I doc, our grandmas had them on the stove.

00:42:17.918 --> 00:42:21.758

<v Bruce>And so this has been amazing to me.

00:42:21.878 --> 00:42:24.958

<v Bruce>And like I said, I'm sitting in front of the fire hydrant right now with the

00:42:24.958 --> 00:42:26.518

<v Bruce>both of you. And I really appreciate it.

00:42:27.018 --> 00:42:31.298

<v Bruce>And I'll go back and I'll watch this two or three more times just to make sure I caught everything.

00:42:31.498 --> 00:42:36.038

<v Bruce>And, but I mean, I would love to maybe come back in a, you know,

00:42:36.078 --> 00:42:40.858

<v Bruce>maybe a month or two and then we can, then we can recap and you guys can go look at what we've done.

00:42:41.078 --> 00:42:42.258

<v Doc>And you're like, oh man,

00:42:42.418 --> 00:42:46.038

<v Bruce>Bruce, that that's not working at all. Or Hey Bruce, that's amazing.

00:42:46.138 --> 00:42:46.778

<v Bruce>Like, you know, whatever.

00:42:47.598 --> 00:42:51.098

<v Bruce>And so I, I would love to do that. I'd love to follow up with you all if I could

00:42:51.098 --> 00:42:52.518

<v Bruce>maybe about a month or so.

00:42:52.658 --> 00:42:58.018

<v Doc>And I like the fact that you just came up with the whole drip thing, that is gold.

00:42:58.118 --> 00:43:05.698

<v Doc>That is absolute gold. Because if your goal is to get to Cup Runneth Over,

00:43:06.813 --> 00:43:10.373

<v Doc>You still have to start with each individual drop.

00:43:11.153 --> 00:43:18.033

<v Doc>So this, this dude right here is 21 ounces, but what it really is, is millions of drops.

00:43:18.933 --> 00:43:24.553

<v Doc>Yes. There, there is each, each water, each water, each water is a molecule

00:43:24.553 --> 00:43:27.153

<v Doc>and each molecule is atoms.

00:43:28.153 --> 00:43:32.173

<v Bruce>You all are doing that so well. I don't know if anybody tells you that enough.

00:43:32.553 --> 00:43:36.173

<v Bruce>I mean, I'm an encourager too. And I want you to just know the fact that you

00:43:36.173 --> 00:43:39.993

<v Bruce>have spoken to my life. I'm going to get tore up all of a sudden. Sorry.

00:43:41.933 --> 00:43:47.713

<v Bruce>But I'm an emotional person too. But really and truly, you all have spoke into

00:43:47.713 --> 00:43:50.553

<v Bruce>my life over the last three months because I've been watching you all pretty

00:43:50.553 --> 00:43:52.173

<v Bruce>faithfully for about the last three months.

00:43:52.173 --> 00:43:58.153

<v Bruce>And I just, you know, your heart is so deep into this and you're,

00:43:58.173 --> 00:43:59.873

<v Bruce>you're passionate about it.

00:44:00.033 --> 00:44:06.373

<v Bruce>And, and it, it occurred, it encourages me every single day to be that same type of passion,

00:44:06.533 --> 00:44:10.553

<v Bruce>be that same type of energy, but be honest like Doc is and be incredibly,

00:44:10.593 --> 00:44:15.233

<v Bruce>incredibly compassionate like Katie is and, and work those two pieces together

00:44:15.233 --> 00:44:18.333

<v Bruce>really, really well. And you guys are such a great team.

00:44:18.613 --> 00:44:21.753

<v Bruce>And so, I mean, just know, I'll be

00:44:21.753 --> 00:44:23.433

<v Doc>Praying to you all every time. I don't get fired.

00:44:26.153 --> 00:44:32.073

<v Bruce>Listen, I can give the most glowing, glowing PR. He's not at any risk.

00:44:32.093 --> 00:44:33.513

<v Katie>You don't need to do that work, Bruce.

00:44:34.113 --> 00:44:35.593

<v Bruce>Okay. I know he's not.

00:44:35.813 --> 00:44:38.593

<v Doc>I don't know. That's not what Paul said. Paul, stop scaring me.

00:44:40.493 --> 00:44:43.293

<v Doc>Seriously, though. This is so good, man. Hearing you say that,

00:44:43.353 --> 00:44:44.913

<v Doc>hearing you say that is so good.

00:44:44.913 --> 00:44:52.553

<v Doc>And you said something just now that triggered me is, I don't even know if you

00:44:52.553 --> 00:44:55.573

<v Doc>realize you said it. You said you have been watching us faithfully.

00:44:56.413 --> 00:44:56.973

<v Bruce>Yep.

00:44:57.353 --> 00:45:03.893

<v Doc>So breaking that down, you have faith in us to guide you in the right direction.

00:45:04.933 --> 00:45:05.493

<v Bruce>Yep.

00:45:06.093 --> 00:45:10.353

<v Doc>Right? You are a faith leader for a congregation of whichever size you didn't

00:45:10.353 --> 00:45:11.413

<v Doc>tell us, but you know what it is.

00:45:13.601 --> 00:45:14.521

<v Bruce>About 700.

00:45:15.341 --> 00:45:16.321

<v Katie>You're right. Yeah.

00:45:17.001 --> 00:45:17.921

<v Doc>I'm a hamster.

00:45:18.181 --> 00:45:19.801

<v Bruce>He about said it.

00:45:19.881 --> 00:45:20.481

<v Doc>I know he did.

00:45:23.621 --> 00:45:27.501

<v Doc>As my grandma used to say, Jesus keep me near the cross.

00:45:27.701 --> 00:45:32.061

<v Doc>Listen, Bruce, you got me up here fixing to use fruity language on the flow.

00:45:32.481 --> 00:45:36.421

<v Doc>That's not my show. That's the eat the work show. You trying to get me fired.

00:45:37.881 --> 00:45:41.221

<v Doc>Fam, you trust in us and they trust in you.

00:45:41.441 --> 00:45:44.861

<v Doc>I'm going to need you to trust. Like Paul had a funny picture that he sent us

00:45:44.861 --> 00:45:47.881

<v Doc>the other day. I have to find it. It was the most hilarious thing.

00:45:48.061 --> 00:45:50.201

<v Doc>And it was, it was yet, it was super beautiful.

00:45:50.441 --> 00:45:55.641

<v Doc>Paul sent Luis and I a photo and it said, I believe my house is haunted because

00:45:55.641 --> 00:45:59.281

<v Doc>every time I look in the mirror, there's a crazy old man stands in front of

00:45:59.281 --> 00:46:01.021

<v Doc>me. So I can't see my reflection.

00:46:03.821 --> 00:46:06.841

<v Doc>This is that. Paul, you don't even know.

00:46:07.021 --> 00:46:11.001

<v Doc>Paul, you had no idea when you sent that back on Saturday that this is exactly

00:46:11.001 --> 00:46:18.421

<v Doc>that. You are blocking yourself from your own reflection of the dopeness that is Bruce.

00:46:19.241 --> 00:46:22.981

<v Doc>And if nothing else, go watch Bruce Almighty to give you the fire.

00:46:24.221 --> 00:46:27.141

<v Bruce>There's a passage in James that tells us that very same thing.

00:46:27.281 --> 00:46:30.121

<v Bruce>It talks about we look in the mirror and we forget what we look like. Exactly.

00:46:34.281 --> 00:46:40.061

<v Bruce>And believe me, I've been doing ministry. I'm 53. I've been doing ministry since

00:46:40.061 --> 00:46:43.661

<v Bruce>1990, went to Bible college and the whole thing.

00:46:43.761 --> 00:46:47.881

<v Bruce>And I've said this to a lot of people, and I mean it.

00:46:48.201 --> 00:46:51.481

<v Bruce>There are very, a lot of people say they've been called into ministry.

00:46:52.887 --> 00:46:57.987

<v Bruce>See, I don't, I don't agree with that. I believe God handpicks those that he

00:46:57.987 --> 00:47:02.907

<v Bruce>wants, like the Billy Grahams and the, you know, the people that are like that.

00:47:03.067 --> 00:47:05.767

<v Bruce>The Wayne Cordero's. You know Wayne Cordero? Is that name ring about?

00:47:05.787 --> 00:47:10.727

<v Doc>Right down the street for me. Actually, this, my office, they're my landlord.

00:47:12.067 --> 00:47:16.247

<v Doc>Are you serious? How small is that world? My landlord. Yeah, the house of Cordero.

00:47:16.567 --> 00:47:21.627

<v Doc>My word of life is the name of the organization and they are my landlord.

00:47:21.627 --> 00:47:27.347

<v Doc>So on the other side of the hallway, the little kids down there in like 10 minutes

00:47:27.347 --> 00:47:30.067

<v Doc>are going to be doing, you know, preschool.

00:47:30.347 --> 00:47:33.467

<v Doc>They do Bible preschool, whatever you call it. Yep. Yes. They're there.

00:47:33.667 --> 00:47:36.747

<v Doc>So I see little kids running in the hallway yesterday, got their fresh book

00:47:36.747 --> 00:47:40.247

<v Doc>bags, new pencils, everything ready to go. So how small is that world?

00:47:40.487 --> 00:47:44.727

<v Doc>Right. How small is the world that you decide to come in the flow and I shoot

00:47:44.727 --> 00:47:49.807

<v Doc>my stuff in a, I pay rent to word of life. How's that is crazy.

00:47:49.807 --> 00:47:56.927

<v Bruce>But seriously, those kind of guys, I believe, have truly been pulled apart and

00:47:56.927 --> 00:47:58.447

<v Bruce>said, listen, you're doing this.

00:47:58.907 --> 00:48:06.067

<v Bruce>But for many of us, it's just be passionate about it and know that God has given

00:48:06.067 --> 00:48:09.267

<v Bruce>you and that you have something. Not even the God thing.

00:48:09.427 --> 00:48:16.007

<v Bruce>I don't want to get too deep into that, but know that you have something to offer other people.

00:48:16.007 --> 00:48:18.727

<v Bruce>And you've said this so many times, Katie and Doc, you have too,

00:48:18.847 --> 00:48:23.967

<v Bruce>that there's people out there that want to hear you and they want you to be

00:48:23.967 --> 00:48:29.207

<v Bruce>there to be able to share with them, whether it's just compassion, love, experience,

00:48:30.087 --> 00:48:32.027

<v Bruce>truth, all those things.

00:48:32.187 --> 00:48:35.407

<v Bruce>And if you do that, man, it's a better world.

00:48:35.627 --> 00:48:38.327

<v Bruce>We don't live in a bad, you know, we don't live in this crazy world.

00:48:38.387 --> 00:48:41.047

<v Bruce>We live in a much better world that we can just love people.

00:48:41.047 --> 00:48:44.507

<v Bruce>Because when it comes down to the end of the day, you're not going to get any

00:48:44.507 --> 00:48:47.167

<v Bruce>judgment from me on anything because I don't get to judge.

00:48:47.707 --> 00:48:50.767

<v Bruce>I don't get to judge anybody. What I get to do is just love them.

00:48:51.067 --> 00:48:54.827

<v Bruce>And if I can do that through this podcast, and now that you all have spoken

00:48:54.827 --> 00:48:58.107

<v Bruce>to my life over the last few minutes, I appreciate it a lot. Thank you.

00:48:58.327 --> 00:49:03.327

<v Doc>I'll tell you something that I learned from Anne Lamont, and I put it in the chat right now.

00:49:03.327 --> 00:49:06.607

<v Doc>For those of us who might you know cringe

00:49:06.607 --> 00:49:09.527

<v Doc>when they hear the word or whatever it's normally because somebody did something to

00:49:09.527 --> 00:49:15.327

<v Doc>you that you know not not your fault let it go but she says for those of us

00:49:15.327 --> 00:49:20.027

<v Doc>like she uses it in the in the non-secular sense like she means it as god but

00:49:20.027 --> 00:49:25.287

<v Doc>she tells us to take it as good orderly direction that energy that power that

00:49:25.287 --> 00:49:27.667

<v Doc>light inside of you that supportive nature,

00:49:28.007 --> 00:49:31.047

<v Doc>that love, that empathy that you have,

00:49:31.527 --> 00:49:35.627

<v Doc>all of that, those are driving you in a good orderly direction.

00:49:36.007 --> 00:49:41.907

<v Doc>So if, if for some reason, you know, you can't line up with the faith situation, right?

00:49:42.187 --> 00:49:48.147

<v Doc>And again, I know that it's still in me because my, my, my, my raised me that way, but

00:49:48.999 --> 00:49:51.679

<v Doc>You know, I had the things that chased me away, right?

00:49:52.219 --> 00:49:55.839

<v Doc>But in the same token, my teachings, my learnings, my love for you guys,

00:49:55.999 --> 00:49:59.619

<v Doc>the way that I fight and push you guys, the way I basically minister to you

00:49:59.619 --> 00:50:03.119

<v Doc>guys to tell the stories that would help the place and make it better,

00:50:03.779 --> 00:50:07.799

<v Doc>that is my grandma going, boy, you can't run that far. My arms are longer than yours.

00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:13.859

<v Doc>Right? And when we was coming up, there was a play that my grandma absolutely

00:50:13.859 --> 00:50:16.299

<v Doc>loved called Your Arms Are Too Short, The Box With God.

00:50:16.299 --> 00:50:22.159

<v Doc>And it's a it's a it's a very popular play from the 70s and 80s in the black

00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:24.459

<v Doc>community. It was on Broadway for a little bit.

00:50:24.939 --> 00:50:32.179

<v Doc>And if you have to supplement that with higher power or the universe or energy

00:50:32.179 --> 00:50:35.739

<v Doc>or whatever, the Mother Teresa,

00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:40.499

<v Doc>whatever you want to call it, it's just a good orderly direction because you

00:50:40.499 --> 00:50:42.719

<v Doc>do have something inside of you. This is everyone.

00:50:42.999 --> 00:50:45.699

<v Doc>You have something inside of you that makes you sit here and listen to us.

00:50:45.779 --> 00:50:47.959

<v Doc>That makes you want to come every week and do this.

00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:49.479

<v Doc>And like Bruce said, have the

00:50:49.479 --> 00:50:53.399

<v Doc>face in the trust into us to help guide you through your podcast journey.

00:50:54.279 --> 00:50:59.259

<v Doc>We're just asking you to reflect that faith inside yourself to actually do the damn thing.

00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:01.959

<v Bruce>Yes. Yep.

00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:02.599

<v Katie>Absolutely.

00:51:03.379 --> 00:51:05.379

<v Bruce>It's like poop or get off the pot. I get it.

00:51:05.779 --> 00:51:05.959

<v Katie>Exactly.

00:51:06.339 --> 00:51:08.499

<v Doc>Yeah. Don't be like Paul dropping bricks in the car.

00:51:11.539 --> 00:51:14.859

<v Katie>Well we are all gonna hold you accountable September 10 and

00:51:14.859 --> 00:51:17.539

<v Katie>then we are gonna follow up with you after September 10 to get you back

00:51:17.539 --> 00:51:20.679

<v Katie>on so you can talk about some of those first few episodes but

00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:23.759

<v Katie>thank you so much for making time and space to come

00:51:23.759 --> 00:51:27.019

<v Katie>on and share with us and honestly I hope

00:51:27.019 --> 00:51:29.899

<v Katie>that when you play this episode back that you hear

00:51:29.899 --> 00:51:33.219

<v Katie>that the guidance that you were giving throughout this episode is

00:51:33.219 --> 00:51:36.319

<v Katie>exactly for you so please listen to yourself

00:51:36.319 --> 00:51:39.779

<v Katie>and put some of that in action because you said some gems and i know they're

00:51:39.779 --> 00:51:44.259

<v Katie>good because when we run this through opus and it pulls out the best clips i'm

00:51:44.259 --> 00:51:48.359

<v Katie>gonna i'm gonna bet you right now that there's at least four or five that are

00:51:48.359 --> 00:51:54.179

<v Katie>you i'm gonna send them to you so you can just listen to them over and over so listen.

00:51:54.179 --> 00:52:00.759

<v Bruce>I'm asking the both of you yes continue to to you know send me anything you

00:52:00.759 --> 00:52:05.439

<v Bruce>need to send me uh speak you know whatever encourage you'll see me on ecamp

00:52:05.439 --> 00:52:06.799

<v Bruce>community on on facebook

00:52:07.219 --> 00:52:09.799

<v Bruce>I posted that thing yesterday I don't know if you saw that or not

00:52:10.829 --> 00:52:14.969

<v Bruce>Yeah, it's kind of that accountability thing. I said, I've got to do it,

00:52:15.029 --> 00:52:17.009

<v Bruce>put it out, and it's going to happen.

00:52:17.669 --> 00:52:21.069

<v Bruce>And once you speak it, then it becomes existence. And that's the thing I look at.

00:52:21.489 --> 00:52:25.689

<v Bruce>That's how this is with Beyond Limits. So thank you both so much.

00:52:25.809 --> 00:52:29.969

<v Bruce>I just, I can't thank you enough for allowing me this opportunity to be with

00:52:29.969 --> 00:52:31.349

<v Bruce>you all today. I really appreciate it.

00:52:31.589 --> 00:52:32.929

<v Katie>Our pleasure. Great.

00:52:33.389 --> 00:52:34.289

<v Doc>You know, good luck,

00:52:34.289 --> 00:52:35.129

<v Katie>And we are here for you.

00:52:36.349 --> 00:52:40.029

<v Doc>Katie, I wrote something in notes. I want to make sure that we absolutely say this.

00:52:40.029 --> 00:52:45.849

<v Doc>And it is that consistency builds trust even if it's small you got to keep showing

00:52:45.849 --> 00:52:51.929

<v Doc>up and yesterday's video when i was talking to ed i told him in the video i

00:52:51.929 --> 00:52:56.509

<v Doc>was like listen i guarantee you harlan sanders burnt that first piece of chicken

00:52:58.669 --> 00:53:01.449

<v Doc>Yes well number one he stole he stole the

00:53:01.449 --> 00:53:04.249

<v Doc>recipe from some ladies but he didn't actually know what was

00:53:04.249 --> 00:53:07.069

<v Doc>doing and then i guarantee he might

00:53:07.069 --> 00:53:09.869

<v Doc>have started with like six spices and he

00:53:09.869 --> 00:53:12.969

<v Doc>goes no i need something else and then he added seven until

00:53:12.969 --> 00:53:16.089

<v Doc>we got to the 11 herbs and spices that make

00:53:16.089 --> 00:53:20.529

<v Doc>it that kfc so addicting um and

00:53:20.529 --> 00:53:23.469

<v Doc>i guarantee you i guarantee you a dime against two fat boys

00:53:23.469 --> 00:53:26.429

<v Doc>though he burnt that first piece of chicken so you know

00:53:26.429 --> 00:53:29.529

<v Doc>just understand that yes i totally

00:53:29.529 --> 00:53:32.729

<v Doc>broke my analogy too and i was like and roy crock

00:53:32.729 --> 00:53:35.769

<v Doc>i guarantee he wait he didn't make the hamburgers the mcdonald's brothers

00:53:35.769 --> 00:53:38.589

<v Doc>made the hamburgers he was making milkshakes and then he stole he sold

00:53:38.589 --> 00:53:41.309

<v Doc>the machines and then he stole the company and yeah never mind skip that

00:53:41.309 --> 00:53:45.689

<v Doc>analogy that was that was my brain going off the tray it was super funny when

00:53:45.689 --> 00:53:50.089

<v Doc>i caught myself but i had to leave it because that just goes to show you that

00:53:50.089 --> 00:53:54.769

<v Doc>right like even sometimes you i i like to show those vulnerable moments as well

00:53:54.769 --> 00:53:59.169

<v Doc>so that people can see like it's really twisted in there it just looks put together

00:54:00.549 --> 00:54:03.929

<v Doc>It's really like a swan right underneath

00:54:03.929 --> 00:54:06.749

<v Doc>the feet are going like a hundred miles an hour and so

00:54:06.749 --> 00:54:09.769

<v Doc>it's okay if you feel that way people it's my brain

00:54:09.769 --> 00:54:14.469

<v Doc>you you gotta just do your thing you gotta sort of find it and uh the last one

00:54:14.469 --> 00:54:18.089

<v Doc>was katie had a suggestion i just want to make sure we say this do you have

00:54:18.089 --> 00:54:22.689

<v Doc>or have you come up with a signature sign off or a signature segment that's

00:54:22.689 --> 00:54:27.409

<v Doc>going to make your show like that beyond limits thing oh Ooh.

00:54:30.310 --> 00:54:33.990

<v Bruce>You know, I've listened to you. I followed you both.

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<v Bruce>I've listened to a lot of Leo because I love me. He's been, he's the professional.

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<v Bruce>He's been doing this for years and years.

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<v Bruce>I have something I'm working on. My wife's actually, my wife and I actually

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<v Bruce>collaborated and put together a theme song.

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<v Doc>Oh, that is great.

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<v Bruce>I'll send it to you as soon as I get it recorded. She's supposed to record it this week.

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<v Bruce>And I'm going to bring her down to the studio down here and we're going to record

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<v Bruce>it. And my wife and my son both are incredibly, incredible musicians.

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<v Bruce>But anyway, as soon as I get it done, I want to use that part of that as the outro.

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<v Bruce>And that's awesome. And so I got to work on, I'm trying to catch it. I'm not trying to catch.

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<v Bruce>I'm trying to find a catchphrase or a tagline or something, because we call

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<v Bruce>it breaking, breaking barriers and building belief.

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<v Bruce>Yeah. That's what our tagline is. There you go. so i i gotta work all that in and once i do it'll

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<v Katie>It'll evolve by the way anyway you'll start with something and then by like

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<v Katie>the fourth episode you'll be like i like this better and then.

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<v Bruce>Yeah or it didn't work at all yes that's

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<v Doc>How we got the floor riders out and we think you mentioned ted lasso the whole

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<v Doc>belief side that became a thing that they sell it as his own separate thing

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<v Doc>right so yeah this is you know this is good

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<v Bruce>You know the thing with ted lasso my

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<v Bruce>wife doesn't get it because she's never watched it but i watched all three

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<v Bruce>seasons and i can't wait till the four it's coming i'm

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<v Bruce>so excited but uh i mean

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<v Bruce>that was so well written i mean

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<v Bruce>that's like genius the way they wrote i mean you go

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<v Bruce>from high to cry to

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<v Bruce>laugh to you know just every emotion it's like the old uh oh no it's like the

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<v Bruce>emotion that uh what's his name now uh jim valvano said you know if we can laugh

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<v Bruce>and we can cry and we can love in a day we can show you know people love that's a full day

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<v Bruce>and so i always think that when you watch an episode of ted it's like a full

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<v Bruce>i mean you're emotionally spent at the end of the episode but i didn't mean to digress no that's

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<v Doc>Good all right we will make sure that we get your

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<v Doc>your links and stuff put out to everybody when the show comes we

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<v Doc>will come and visit you on the first show to make sure that

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<v Doc>you know we get you kicked off and and doing

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<v Doc>your thing i really appreciate you coming through you guys don't know this but

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<v Doc>like hearing these things and knowing where you know people are still at where

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<v Doc>they're stuck or where they're you know coming to their plants it actually helps

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<v Doc>me a lot you know um yeah and it's it's really cool that you took that

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<v Doc>first step to come and do this. And so of course we implore anybody else who

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<v Doc>wants to come on and like, you know, get your flow going.

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<v Doc>Like we're, I just thought of like a stool softener. It was really stupid.

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<v Doc>Katie, can you close this out?

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<v Katie>You're all done, doc. If you want to reach us, you can reach us anytime.

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<v Katie>Flow.ecam.com. You can email us flow at ecam.com. You can leave a voicemail at that website.

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<v Katie>But I mean, Bruce just reached out by email and we were able to have a conversation

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<v Katie>back and forth and get to know each other, which we are always,

00:57:48.437 --> 00:57:51.017

<v Katie>always up for doing. So definitely send that through.

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<v Katie>If you want to be on this episode, on a future episode, let us know as well.

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<v Katie>We're happy to have people come on and share their stories.

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<v Doc>Oh, that was good. I just, my brain just broke.

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<v Bruce>That's good. It's not. Yeah.

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<v Doc>My whole analogy turned into stool softness. I was like, I've got to stop. I've got to quit.

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<v Katie>You're done. You're done. No time for that. After an entire episode about food,

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<v Katie>we've got to get off. We've got to eat our food.

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<v Doc>I definitely need some coffee, as you can tell. I need some KFC,

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<v Katie>Some coffee.

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<v Doc>You know what we do around here? As we talked about signature sign-offs,

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<v Doc>people, we appreciate you. See you next week. And Flo Riders, out.

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<v Katie>Out. Thanks, Bruce. Bye.

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