The Flow: Episode 113 - Speak Without a Script: Mastering On-Camera Improv with Michael Gendler | The Flow

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<v Doc>Aloha Flowriders and welcome to The Flow. Welcome to this awesome live taping. We got fun stuff today.

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<v Doc>I am Doc Rock along with my awesome co-host.

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<v Katie>Hey everyone, it's Katie.

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<v Doc>I knew that. I knew you were going to say that. That's my favorite part.

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<v Doc>I don't know why. It's so funny. You know, it's kind of amazing.

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<v Doc>We're 113 episodes into The Flow. That's just incredible.

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<v Katie>It's wild. Especially because we take breaks too. Yeah.

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<v Doc>Yeah. We just see what happens. Oops.

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<v Katie>Yeah, I know. This is an experiment in what happens if you just like try and see what happens.

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<v Doc>See, people? Now you get it. What happens if you just try? You might win.

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<v Doc>All right. So what are we doing today, Cates? I'm excited. I'm really excited.

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<v Katie>I'm super, super excited for this episode. I know I say that every episode,

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<v Katie>but I am because this episode makes me feel like a little squishy and a little

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<v Katie>uncomfortable because we're talking about one of those things that makes me

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<v Katie>a little squishy and uncomfortable, which is not planning.

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<v Katie>So if you are a planner like me, this is a great episode for us all to push

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<v Katie>ourselves outside of our comfort zone because there is something to be said

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<v Katie>for being a little bit better at just being in the moment,

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<v Katie>thinking on our toes, and using some of those amazing techniques and tactics

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<v Katie>that people learn in improv.

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<v Katie>I was always that person that did theater but hated when we did improv day because

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<v Katie>I'm such a planner and control freak. but it is such an important part of public

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<v Katie>speaking and of building confidence and of getting better on your toes.

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<v Katie>So we found today's guest when we were at a Kitts event, Craft and Commerce,

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<v Katie>and Michael is here to hang out with us today.

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<v Katie>It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm sure Michael's going to make me feel safe

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<v Katie>and special, but also hopefully push us all, including me.

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<v Doc>So I'll be the voice of the people today. I'm standing in the hallway.

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<v Doc>I just got my drink and Kitt, I was like, doc you need to meet michael you know

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<v Doc>me i got one drink hey hey hey michael how you doing so it turns out he's super

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<v Doc>rad i can't wait to get started really nice cat his team was amazing so yeah

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<v Doc>let's dive in let's dive in oh yes welcome to

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<v Michael>The show michael what's up y'all appreciate you having me what's up.

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<v Katie>Oh, of course. I love that your brief bio, which I did not read,

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<v Katie>but I just need to because it's incredible.

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<v Katie>It says that you are the freestyle rapping, game playing, public speaking coach

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<v Katie>behind ultra speaking. And that's pretty badass.

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<v Katie>I mean, it's a pretty badass bio. I love it.

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<v Michael>I appreciate it. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun to discover things

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<v Michael>about yourself. I didn't know I would be a freestyler or a speaking coach or any of this.

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<v Michael>So it's cool to keep learning about like who, who we actually are.

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<v Katie>Absolutely. There you go.

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<v Doc>All right. So, you know, we have to start with the main question because the

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<v Doc>people are going to, going to have this question.

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<v Doc>What exactly is ultra speaking?

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<v Michael>Ah, yeah. Ultra speaking is an online communication school.

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<v Michael>So if you want to improve your confidence or feel better at work when speaking,

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<v Michael>that would be the place to go.

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<v Michael>But I've seen ultra speaking used more as a verb, actually, like some people

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<v Michael>will say like, oh, you were ultra speaking today.

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<v Michael>And I think what that means is you were trusting yourself to just go for it,

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<v Michael>meaning to think before you, I mean, to speak before you overthink,

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<v Michael>to not hesitate, to just kind of like freestyle your way through a presentation

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<v Michael>or to just go for that product update or whatever the speaking is.

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<v Michael>So ultra speaking at its core is just trusting yourself to express yourself

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<v Michael>instead of getting caught in that hesitation loop that so many of us find ourselves in.

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<v Katie>This is perfect for podcasting and for live streaming and for all of our video

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<v Katie>creators out there because many of us are super guilty of, you know,

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<v Katie>hitting that pause button, recording, re-recording, re-recording, editing,

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<v Katie>like really kind of selling yourself short on the potential of just knowing

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<v Katie>that you know the content and going.

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<v Katie>So I love that we're reiterating this. And I think public speaking is one of

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<v Katie>those parts of video creation that people never seem to really remember.

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<v Katie>And yet it's such an important part, like knowing, like having that level of

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<v Katie>confidence or even like putting yourself through a process, like being part

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<v Katie>of a public speaking school, like ultra speaking is, is huge for all of us.

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<v Katie>That, that it really is in many cases, why some of those incredible creators out there,

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<v Katie>you know, have these huge audiences is that they really spent the time to think

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<v Katie>through like who they are, how they present themselves to the world and do the

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<v Katie>reps, basically, and getting those public speaking skills out there.

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<v Doc>Yeah, you know what's funny is we all have the confidence to public speak when

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<v Doc>we're kids. It gets taken away.

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<v Doc>If you don't believe me, spend like 20 seconds with Katie's daughter.

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<v Doc>She's good. No one's got to her yet.

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<v Katie>She's a public speaking pro right now.

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<v Doc>Nothing has got to her yet. She'll be superbly fine.

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<v Doc>And eventually, one teacher or

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<v Doc>a classmate who's a little picky or you

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<v Doc>know something of that nature will take it away from her and I

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<v Doc>think it's funny because people always say well I don't have the confidence

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<v Doc>to be a public speaker like you always have it you just got somebody turned

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<v Doc>it down or covered it up you know like when a fire is burning on the stove you

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<v Doc>put the towel on it somebody just put the towel on it you need somebody else

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<v Doc>to come in and take the towel back off and set that sucker back on fire that's

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<v Doc>literally what it is because we all have it and so

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<v Michael>Yeah exactly and like the,

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<v Michael>missing ingredient or the thing that makes speaking into public speaking is

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<v Michael>usually pressure. Tequila. Yeah, well.

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<v Doc>Oh, pressure. Sorry.

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<v Michael>That's the opposite. Tequila can make public speaking go back into just like

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<v Michael>regular speaking, but what amps it up is the pressure.

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<v Michael>And when I say pressure, what people typically associate it with is self-consciousness.

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<v Michael>So the moment you turn on the camera to record, something in our brain flips

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<v Michael>and it's like, oh, whoa, I'm no longer just existing.

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<v Michael>I'm performing for an audience and how am I coming across?

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<v Michael>And all of this consciousness of self kicks in.

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<v Michael>So, we start to feel pressure and that could happen on camera.

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<v Michael>It could happen in a meeting.

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<v Michael>It could happen at a barbecue with friends of friends. Whenever we start to

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<v Michael>think, how am I being perceived right now,

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<v Michael>we get caught in this overthinking loop that four-year-olds and five-year-olds,

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<v Michael>they beautifully don't have yet because they are just so freely self-expressed

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<v Michael>that they're not constantly questioning like,

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<v Michael>what's my impression right now on these adults? They're just existing as themselves.

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<v Michael>And I think returning to that state as an adult is the big million-dollar question

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<v Michael>of like, how do I feel natural in situations where I feel a lot of pressure?

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<v Doc>That's awesome. That's super awesome.

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<v Katie>What are the first steps that you can take to try to get into that natural state?

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<v Katie>So if people are sitting here and they're like, yes, this is me. I am that person.

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<v Katie>I feel like a lot of the advice we get is just like, you need to practice at

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<v Katie>it. You need to really know the content inside and out.

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<v Katie>Are there other things outside that that are just good starting?

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<v Michael>Yeah, there's really two main schools of thought on this.

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<v Michael>And I'm a believer in both. School number one is to say, stay in character.

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<v Michael>And stay in character is the example that comes from acting.

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<v Michael>But really, it's the idea that we want to put our most confident foot forward

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<v Michael>in situations where we feel nervous.

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<v Michael>Because if we don't, then we are acting from a place of insecurity.

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<v Michael>And so we're re-experiencing that event as an insecure version of ourselves.

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<v Michael>So we never really build the confidence if we break character,

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<v Michael>if we apologize every time you make a mistake or we stumble and go, I'm so sorry, you know.

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<v Michael>So what it really means is just remove the unconfident behavior.

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<v Michael>So it's not overconfidence. It's not like, let me act confident.

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<v Michael>It's more like, hey, next time you're appearing nervous, what if you just kept

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<v Michael>that to yourself and just trusted that you come across as more composed?

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<v Michael>And this crazy thing actually happens where if you don't admit your insecurities

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<v Michael>to others, people may not notice them.

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<v Michael>And you may come across as more confident than you feel.

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<v Michael>And you'll start getting feedback like, oh, yeah, you did really well in that

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<v Michael>meeting or a great presentation. and suddenly something happens in your brain

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<v Michael>of like, oh, that's weird.

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<v Michael>I felt nervous, but came across as confident.

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<v Michael>Maybe I don't have to worry so much about how I'm coming across.

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<v Michael>And so, that concept is called staying in character and that's really one school of thought. But.

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<v Michael>For those of us that want the shortcut, that are like, hey, I don't want to

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<v Michael>practice staying in character.

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<v Michael>The true shortcut is every time we speak in public, whether on camera or on

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<v Michael>a podcast, there's always two choices that we have.

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<v Michael>And choice number one is to speak from a place called impress mode,

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<v Michael>where I'm thinking about, I want to do a good job.

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<v Michael>I want them to like me. I want to sound smart.

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<v Michael>We're impression managing.

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<v Michael>Or we have the choice to speak from express mode, which is kind of how we feel

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<v Michael>when we're with a close friend, where we're just, whatever we feel in here,

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<v Michael>we're just trying to articulate as best we can.

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<v Michael>And we're not thinking about, hey, how is this going to come across?

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<v Michael>And the paradox that I find is that when we speak from express mode,

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<v Michael>we end up being more impressive because we show more of ourselves.

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<v Michael>We're a little bit more messy, a little bit more authentic.

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<v Michael>And in the age of authenticity, people are really drawn to that.

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<v Katie>Yeah, I think that that's super helpful.

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<v Katie>And I think it's funny, like even in the second instance, it is not fully counterintuitive,

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<v Katie>but like a little bit because we're constantly thinking,

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<v Katie>you know, we're constantly telling at least, you know, our audience and our

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<v Katie>community that you should be thinking about.

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<v Katie>The, you know, building your community and the people on the other side and

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<v Katie>the value that you're providing them more than yourself.

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<v Katie>But I do think that it is interesting to also remember that,

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<v Katie>you know, if you're having a conversation with someone else,

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<v Katie>like even what we're doing right here, like just spending time with the people

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<v Katie>that are here as if, and we are, I mean, in many cases, friends,

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<v Katie>then that makes the conversation automatically better for the people on the other side.

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<v Michael>So

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<v Katie>Yeah, that is

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<v Michael>One of the best tips I've ever heard in my life on public speaking is to treat

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<v Michael>your audience like a close friend.

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<v Michael>And most, most people.

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<v Doc>Or speak, speak to one. I like to speak to one of them, but then sort of remove their name.

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<v Doc>Sometimes I even use their name, but if you can speak to one of them,

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<v Doc>then you're, each person feels like you're talking to them.

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<v Doc>So if you act like, if I act like I'm speaking to Michael, but I don't specifically

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<v Doc>say Michael, everybody can easily insert their name in wherever you were speaking to.

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<v Doc>And I oftentimes also like

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<v Doc>to put in we sometimes when I want to say I

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<v Doc>because that takes out the all

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<v Doc>the pressure on myself number one but it also leaves them

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<v Doc>space to put themselves in my shoes right and

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<v Doc>I wear some pretty sick Adidas so you might want to step in them they're always

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<v Doc>clean I don't use dirty shoes so you know but it gives you an opportunity to

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<v Doc>sort of feel where we are And you said something right then a second ago that

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<v Doc>that kind of linked in to my brain because we you know, you're always taught as a kid.

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<v Doc>You want to leave a lasting impression and first impressions do X, Y, Z.

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<v Doc>And I'm like, yo, we're in that. I want to leave a lasting expression.

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<v Doc>I want you to know that I expressed myself.

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<v Doc>And it is what it is. You either like it or you don't. I'm not I'm not switching.

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<v Doc>Exactly. Not at this age.

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<v Michael>Yeah.

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<v Doc>So I really like that idea because, again, I'm watching my community where we're

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<v Doc>mostly, you know, people who remember black and white TV and they're still trying

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<v Doc>to figure out how to, you know, sort of impress people.

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<v Doc>And I'm like, yo, you're at an age where you should already be in your Dilly Gaff era.

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<v Doc>Do I look like I give a french fry?

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<v Doc>So why are you still trying to be performative? Like nothing,

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<v Doc>anybody has to say you should affect you at this point because you're like, you know,

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<v Doc>pushing the dark side, like just let that mess go and just give it,

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<v Doc>you know? And I, I really appreciate the way you explained that. Yeah.

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<v Michael>It makes me think of fashion a little bit. And, you know, some people might

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<v Michael>say like, well, if I don't care what people think, then it's the equivalent

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<v Michael>of like, oh, I'm just going to wear like a, you know, a tank top everywhere.

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<v Michael>And I'm just going to wear like ripped jeans and I'm not going to care about how I look at all.

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<v Michael>And I don't think that's exactly the case. I think what's beautiful about fashion

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<v Michael>is it's another chance to feel like yourself in clothes.

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<v Michael>You wear what feels like you and some people are like really,

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<v Michael>really expressive with their clothes.

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<v Michael>They're like super out there. Other people are just kind of want to blend in

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<v Michael>because it's not as important to them.

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<v Michael>So I think our speaking is the same way.

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<v Michael>We don't really want to judge others by how they speak because we don't really

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<v Michael>know what their mindset is behind it.

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<v Michael>What really matters to me at least is, am I feeling like myself in situations?

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<v Michael>And when I feel like myself, that's when the pressure disappears because I know how to be myself.

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<v Michael>What I don't know is how to be impressive to Doc and to Katie.

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<v Michael>I don't know what that version needs to be, but I do know how to sort of relax

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<v Michael>into my way of being and trust that that's going to be enough for a conversation like this.

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<v Katie>Sure is.

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<v Doc>That's true. You never do know what anybody would be impressed by.

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<v Doc>They will tell you once you hit it, but like trying to do it ahead of time is

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<v Doc>literally like, you know, shooting in the dark.

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<v Doc>You have no idea what they would be impressed by.

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<v Doc>You know, and again, I'm in often thrown back when someone says,

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<v Doc>oh, my God, I'm so impressed that you know so and so. So I'm like,

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<v Doc>really? That's just normal to me.

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<v Doc>Right. But like they don't they wouldn't know that. And it's something that

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<v Doc>they're surprised to hear.

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<v Doc>You know what I mean like you know it's like wait you're a dj I'm

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<v Doc>like yeah for like many many years like oh my god you know

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<v Doc>like always wanted to do that so and so I bought all the equipment I was

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<v Doc>like cool we should go and zoom and just jam something you know like things

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<v Doc>like that that blows people mind uh when when we were at kit and someone's like

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<v Doc>oh yeah Michael can bust out cypher and I was like what all right cool now I'm

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<v Doc>impressed you know what I mean like you would have known to like oh you would

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<v Doc>never know I was a dj you would never know that I was a former hip pop musician.

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<v Doc>And so no one had to tell me that. But when I hear that, I'm like,

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<v Doc>oh, we're friends automatically done.

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<v Doc>You know what I mean? So yeah, you're trying to impress somebody without knowing

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<v Doc>what the button is, is make no sense. Math don't math.

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<v Michael>Exactly. I just think about all the people these days that we like because they're

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<v Michael>so uniquely in their own element.

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<v Michael>I think that is the way to stand out these days. And what's interesting about

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<v Michael>human beings, I think we can start to tell, we're getting better and better

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<v Michael>at telling like, what's not real?

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<v Michael>What is somebody that's trying to be effortless, trying to be cool?

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<v Michael>You could sense the trying.

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<v Michael>And so, in this day and age, I'm really drawn to people who seem to just know

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<v Michael>themselves very well and speak from a place of knowing.

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<v Doc>Yeah, see, that's cool.

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<v Katie>Speak from a place of knowing. I love that because I want to talk a little bit

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<v Katie>about structuring and like scripting and memorization and some of these things

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<v Katie>that people are constantly worried about or overthinking or, you know,

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<v Katie>trying to figure out the best way to plan and prep for their episodes or for

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<v Katie>the presentations that they're doing or for the videos that they're creating.

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<v Katie>So if not those things, because I think that we can get lost in the weeds in that,

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<v Katie>how do you recommend best planning for and preparing for content or presentations

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<v Katie>or things that you're creating without overdoing it so that you can still be

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<v Katie>natural and be confident and approach public speaking in a healthy, positive way? Yeah.

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<v Michael>Well, my co-founder, Tristan, he competed in the world championships of public

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<v Michael>speaking and he got to the final round.

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<v Michael>So, he and I really studied how to create a world championship quality speech.

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<v Michael>And what's interesting about that process is that it's a lot of writing,

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<v Michael>it's a lot of scripting, a ton of memorizing.

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<v Michael>And then he got to the point where he could even know every breath that he would

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<v Michael>take every pause that he would take the most fascinating part of that whole

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<v Michael>experience was that when he finished the world championships and he was asked to do a,

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<v Michael>give a toast at like a dinner party he felt super un unequipped like very unprepared

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<v Michael>despite being a top 10 finalist in the world.

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<v Michael>And it's because we realize writing a great speech takes a lot of effort,

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<v Michael>but it doesn't translate to being able to speak in other scenarios.

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<v Michael>And so what we started studying is like, what's a method that can make me.

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<v Michael>Feel like i could prepare for uh recording a

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<v Michael>video and then the next day i could give it a

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<v Michael>leadership update and then the next day i could do just like an

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<v Michael>instagram live and the next day and go on a podcast and it wouldn't be

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<v Michael>this stressful month-long process of preparing

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<v Michael>and uh and that's how we discovered something called the accordion method and

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<v Michael>we found it to be the most simple way to prepare for speaking engagements podcasts

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<v Michael>videos it's really simple the premise is that rather than writing out what you

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<v Michael>want to say and then trying to remember it,

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<v Michael>we practice by speaking what we want to say and using time constraints to internalize

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<v Michael>it in our body, to like make our body remember instead of our brain remember. So it's really simple.

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<v Michael>It's an accordion method, meaning if you're going to record a five-minute video,

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<v Michael>then And all I would ask people to do is, okay, round one, just hit record and

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<v Michael>do your five-minute video.

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<v Michael>Just do a take, but do the whole five minutes and don't let yourself stop early.

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<v Michael>And if you make a mistake, keep going. That's the only requirement is keep going.

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<v Michael>Once you're done with the five minutes, take two is cut the time in half.

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<v Michael>We'll do the 2.5-minute version. Now you have to figure out,

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<v Michael>okay, I can't fit everything in. What am I going to cut out?

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<v Michael>Once you do the two and a half minute take, cut that time in half and now we'll

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<v Michael>do the one minute take and then the 30 second take.

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<v Michael>And then when we only have 15 seconds to do a take, what we discover is that

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<v Michael>we can only say one thing.

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<v Michael>And that one thing becomes your main idea. It becomes your North Star.

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<v Michael>And so through the process of doing these takes, you discover actually my video

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<v Michael>is really about this one key idea.

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<v Michael>And now that we have it, we just reverse the process. Now that you know where

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<v Michael>you're going, it's much easier to add in the right details. So we expand back

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<v Michael>up the accordion, the 32nd version, then the one minute, then the two minute.

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<v Michael>And then by the time you get to the five minute version, not only are you able

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<v Michael>to express yourself with clarity because you know exactly where you're going,

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<v Michael>but you've done it so many times in so many different ways that your body just

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<v Michael>kind of knows what you want to say.

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<v Michael>And you might not get all the right words because there are no right words.

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<v Michael>Instead, what you've trained for is versatility.

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<v Michael>You're able to express the same idea in different words, and it feels fresh,

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<v Michael>and it feels natural, and yet internally you feel hyper-prepared because you've

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<v Michael>done all these takes in between.

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<v Katie>I love that. I love it even more because I we've been so Caleb on our team,

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<v Katie>who we talked about earlier created this quiz for all of us and for our customers

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<v Katie>that basically like Hogwarts style sorts you into whether you are more of a planner,

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<v Katie>you're more of a presenter, or you're more of a producer when you're approaching

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<v Katie>video creation and content creation.

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<v Katie>And I would have like, define myself 100% as a planner.

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<v Katie>I'm like the person that I come from a writing background, I've always like needed a solid plan.

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<v Katie>I have like planners galore everywhere, calendars everywhere.

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<v Katie>I'm like, I'm an overthinker.

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<v Katie>So that would have been what I thought. But I've been on this like journey of

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<v Katie>trying to like not overthink it and not like, you know, Doc's words are in my

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<v Katie>head all the time of trying to not be a perfectionist about stuff.

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<v Katie>And so now I've been doing something similar to what you just said,

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<v Katie>where now I will just record, see how it is, and then, you know,

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<v Katie>evaluate if I really do need to make those changes.

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<v Katie>And, you know, and I, like, I will just soak up all of the information so that

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<v Katie>when I'm ready to record, I just know the topic well enough. I don't have any notes.

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<v Katie>I don't have any bullet points. And I do feel like it has actually like shifted

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<v Katie>my mindset so that when I took the quiz the first time,

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<v Katie>and then when I took it the second time, I actually shifted from being a planner

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<v Katie>into being a presenter so that like my mindset is now like, you know,

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<v Katie>the stuff, just get it out there and then, you know, and then figure out what

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<v Katie>you're going to do from that point on.

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<v Katie>So I, I will absolutely take that to heart. And I can say, if you're listening

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<v Katie>or watching, like I'm, I'm only doing like a fraction of this full accordion

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<v Katie>method, but it has really made a big difference in just actually getting content

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<v Katie>created, building confidence.

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<v Katie>And like you said, I think it really is like actually affecting,

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<v Katie>Um, my confidence and like, it is become almost a muscle memory.

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<v Katie>Like there now are things where I'm like, I don't, you know,

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<v Katie>for the, just for fun podcast I do, like, I don't need to worry about like an

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<v Katie>outline or a script because I just know the content and I feel in my own skin on it. That's awesome.

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<v Katie>I know that the content is going to come out well, but that is awesome.

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<v Katie>It makes a ton of sense because I think you're right.

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<v Katie>If you do spend all the time to memorize it and kind of nail that exact script,

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<v Katie>you can absolutely do it.

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<v Katie>It probably sounds and is an incredible experience, but you're right.

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<v Katie>It would be really hard to translate that into other projects that are applicable in your day to day.

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<v Michael>Yeah, I think it requires the desire to want to be good at speaking on the fly.

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<v Michael>That's been the number one focus for the last decade of my life is I just wanted

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<v Michael>to be good at speaking on the fly because I was so bad at it.

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<v Michael>And I didn't realize that it was even a skill. I thought you were just kind

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<v Michael>of like either you're a born speaker or you're not.

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<v Michael>But what I've learned in my research is that actually the ability to speak on

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<v Michael>the fly, the ability to freestyle, whether through music or through an instrument or through speaking,

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<v Michael>it's just a set of techniques and anybody can become really good at it.

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<v Michael>And I'll give you one quick technique, which is that if you're ever thinking on the fly,

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<v Michael>if you're ever speaking and finding yourself rambling or blanking or your mind

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<v Michael>freezes and you're kind of stuck,

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<v Michael>you can always use what's called a summary prompt, which is just a little phrase

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<v Michael>to get you back onto the main road.

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<v Michael>A summary prompt phrase could be, basically what I'm trying to say is.

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<v Michael>And then your brain just kind of fills in that sentence and gets you back to the main point.

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<v Michael>Another example could be like, the point here I'm making is,

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<v Michael>or the main idea I'm trying to get across, or even bottom line, what I'm saying is.

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<v Michael>And it's like these little tools that the pros have in their back pocket whenever

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<v Michael>they find themselves freestyling and it's kind of going off track,

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<v Michael>they'll go, basically what I'm saying is a summary prompt is really helpful.

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<v Michael>And they just get back on track. And for those of us that haven't studied it,

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<v Michael>we just don't know these little techniques. And so we think,

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<v Michael>ah, I can't express myself on the fly. I need to script things out because if

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<v Michael>I don't, it'll be all messy.

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<v Michael>But my point is that if you have this desire of like, you know,

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<v Michael>it'd be awesome to be great at speaking on the fly, then it's 100% achievable.

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<v Michael>And it's just a set of techniques that anybody can do and ultimately become

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<v Michael>really great at this skill.

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<v Doc>Here's one that I think messes people up. I will, people in the chat,

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<v Doc>you know who you are. I'm calling you out.

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<v Doc>I want to get great at speaking on the fly. All right, dope.

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<v Doc>When was the last time you spoke up?

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<v Michael>Right.

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<v Doc>So you got people that want to get great at speaking on the fly.

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<v Doc>They want to get great at delivering these awesome, eloquent videos.

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<v Doc>They want their videos to sound like it was written by Amy Sherman, Paldino, or, you know,

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<v Doc>Brian Sinclair, or, you know, Aaron Sorkin, Lord and Savior,

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<v Doc>Aaron Sorkin, Joss Whelan.

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<v Doc>But you ain't made no videos, dog. You know what you're not going to get good at?

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<v Doc>Speaking on the fly. Because the only way to get good at it is to do it.

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<v Doc>So I didn't go to public speaker training which is probably one of the reasons

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<v Doc>why I don't get nervous on stage nobody ever told me to be nervous on stage

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<v Doc>right I learned how to cipher on the block

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<v Doc>right so when it was like you know so and so said you know it started in the

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<v Doc>80s long even before hip-hop got to the way it is now it started on the 80s

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<v Doc>where we're standing on the corner and we just would sit around and have your mama jokes.

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<v Doc>And MTV turned it into a show, but you were standing in the corner and you would

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<v Doc>literally just crack jokes, your mama does this and this. Farsight turned it into a song.

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<v Doc>And then we went, ooh, wait, we can make all of our jokes into a song?

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<v Doc>And then you just started looking for things to riff on.

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<v Doc>So you just sort of learned to riff.

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<v Doc>And probably what got me into practicing more than anything else was I would

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<v Doc>watch these, you know, rom-coms in the 80s.

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<v Doc>And the dude that was always, you know, getting the girls was the dude who just

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<v Doc>had that flow about them.

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<v Doc>Like they just had, they had the ability to just wax rhapsodically,

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<v Doc>pull Shakespeare out of the sky or whatever.

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<v Doc>I'm like, done. That's me. I'm in, you know, like, so I learned it from that

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<v Doc>more or less than anything.

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<v Doc>Right. you know um watching uh john kusak

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<v Doc>and his you know floor sweeper and

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<v Doc>16 candles just being able to just spit game like i was like all right cool

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<v Doc>i'm in that's what i want to do and i think you know you just have to find something

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<v Doc>to see yourself in and you know whether it's the bay club or something of that

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<v Doc>nature i think too many people just say i'm not good at public speaking i'm

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<v Doc>like well you don't speak up so how can you get good yeah

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<v Michael>Yeah and they get nervous and that's why

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<v Michael>they don't do it and it doesn't feel good so why would they do it so it's a

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<v Michael>very relatable situation to be in but what what i find really inspiring and

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<v Michael>really the the driving force behind my belief is that everybody is good at speaking in some context,

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<v Michael>everybody thrives in some conversations like with a close friend or a family

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<v Michael>member or a loved one So we all have the ability to be really funny and charismatic

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<v Michael>and interesting and to think on our feet and to be thoughtful.

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<v Michael>All of us have it. So the question is like, how do I translate that part of

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<v Michael>you that I know exists into more situations, maybe those situations that feel

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<v Michael>less comfortable or a little bit more scary.

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<v Michael>But the good news here is that like all of us are great speakers by default.

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<v Michael>The thing that gets in the way is the nervousness, is the self-consciousness

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<v Michael>and if we can learn how to relax into those scenarios, then it's,

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<v Michael>It's not that we become great speakers. It's that we unlock something that already exists within us.

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<v Doc>Yeah. You know, I'll be remissed if I don't bring this up because I just told

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<v Doc>this to my people the other day.

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<v Doc>That feeling that you get in your gut when you're nervous is also the feeling

00:29:54.846 --> 00:29:56.886

<v Doc>you get in your gut when you're excited.

00:29:57.186 --> 00:30:00.526

<v Doc>It's also the feeling you get in your gut when you're in love.

00:30:01.206 --> 00:30:06.566

<v Doc>Is because it's your body trying to digest what you have to give your brain

00:30:06.566 --> 00:30:12.386

<v Doc>energy and your legs energy to either run or to stand there and deal with it.

00:30:13.086 --> 00:30:17.766

<v Doc>Right. So that feeling you get, you decide whether it's standing there and deal

00:30:17.766 --> 00:30:19.166

<v Doc>with it or whether it's run.

00:30:19.906 --> 00:30:23.466

<v Doc>Right. It's up to you. When it was a small little something,

00:30:23.466 --> 00:30:29.446

<v Doc>you stood there and dealt with it. When it was a lion or a willy mammoth or a saber tooth, you ran.

00:30:30.586 --> 00:30:34.006

<v Doc>Well, just learn to stand there and deal with it. It's the same energy.

00:30:34.006 --> 00:30:39.026

<v Doc>It's what you label it that specifies whether it's fear or excitement. I was a parachutist.

00:30:39.666 --> 00:30:41.326

<v Doc>That's exciting. There's other

00:30:41.326 --> 00:30:43.866

<v Doc>people that would stand in the door and be like, oh, my God, I'm scared.

00:30:44.606 --> 00:30:46.986

<v Doc>You know? And then so they said, well, were you a little scared?

00:30:47.126 --> 00:30:48.866

<v Doc>I don't know. I was excited.

00:30:49.446 --> 00:30:52.926

<v Doc>And then fear and excitement hit you at the same time, that becomes thrill.

00:30:53.326 --> 00:30:58.846

<v Doc>Right? And that thrill could be anything from driving fast to skateboarding

00:30:58.846 --> 00:31:03.086

<v Doc>to adult topics we can't speak about. They're all the same.

00:31:03.946 --> 00:31:07.406

<v Doc>That's your body burning the energy it needs right then in order to get something

00:31:07.406 --> 00:31:11.066

<v Doc>done. So you just got to stop inscribing stuff that doesn't help you to it.

00:31:11.846 --> 00:31:14.506

<v Doc>You know what I mean? I could be in here right now and say, this room is dark.

00:31:14.986 --> 00:31:17.806

<v Doc>It's your brain. You can say whatever you want. It doesn't matter.

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<v Michael>I think that's why I'm so passionate about the topic is because public speaking

00:31:23.186 --> 00:31:27.086

<v Michael>in itself is not that interesting to me.

00:31:28.192 --> 00:31:33.932

<v Michael>It might be worthwhile. What's more worthwhile is the relationship with yourself

00:31:33.932 --> 00:31:37.992

<v Michael>and how it evolves when you face something like public speaking because you're

00:31:37.992 --> 00:31:40.532

<v Michael>really facing yourself, your fears,

00:31:40.812 --> 00:31:43.272

<v Michael>your insecurities, and the journey to improve.

00:31:43.432 --> 00:31:46.132

<v Michael>Like, yeah, your speaking will get better, but the reason it gets better is

00:31:46.132 --> 00:31:47.792

<v Michael>because your confidence grows.

00:31:48.172 --> 00:31:51.212

<v Michael>Your relationship to that feeling that you're describing, Doc,

00:31:51.332 --> 00:31:56.172

<v Michael>in your body of discomfort, you start to learn how to manage it,

00:31:56.292 --> 00:31:57.712

<v Michael>how to use it for your advantage.

00:31:57.712 --> 00:32:02.632

<v Michael>And so I love the topic, not because I'm interested in public speaking,

00:32:02.812 --> 00:32:10.092

<v Michael>but because the person that you become when you go on this journey is incredibly different.

00:32:10.092 --> 00:32:15.632

<v Michael>It's like you're becoming a greater version of yourself just by exploring a

00:32:15.632 --> 00:32:17.332

<v Michael>topic that can be quite scary.

00:32:19.492 --> 00:32:20.752

<v Doc>Arms are heavy.

00:32:21.172 --> 00:32:22.132

<v Michael>Yeah, exactly.

00:32:23.452 --> 00:32:28.852

<v Doc>He's describing that nervous situation. All right. We should play some games.

00:32:29.052 --> 00:32:30.352

<v Doc>I'm down. I'm ready. I'm excited.

00:32:30.792 --> 00:32:35.672

<v Katie>I do want to just, before we jump into games, I do want to, I think you answered

00:32:35.672 --> 00:32:38.352

<v Katie>these. I'm sorry, Doc. I'm avoiding. No, I'm not avoiding.

00:32:39.012 --> 00:32:41.652

<v Katie>Stephen's got us a couple of great questions here that I think,

00:32:41.752 --> 00:32:44.252

<v Katie>Michael, you mostly answer, but I just want to make sure we call them out.

00:32:44.252 --> 00:32:48.132

<v Katie>I'm doing rapid fire stuff. Stephen wanted to know, yeah, rapid fire, quick, quick.

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<v Katie>What motivated you to shift away from traditional public speaking instruction?

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<v Michael>Um yeah because i thought you know when i i learned myself because i had massive

00:32:57.872 --> 00:33:04.472

<v Michael>anxiety and i was in a project management position at work and i just like i

00:33:04.472 --> 00:33:05.552

<v Michael>would freeze in meetings,

00:33:06.832 --> 00:33:11.332

<v Michael>and get stuck in my head and stumble over my words i even drafted my letter

00:33:11.332 --> 00:33:15.672

<v Michael>of resignation because it was at a point where i'm like i'm just not cut out

00:33:15.672 --> 00:33:18.632

<v Michael>for this thing So I was really motivated to learn.

00:33:18.832 --> 00:33:22.792

<v Michael>And, um, when I learned, I, I think I.

00:33:23.727 --> 00:33:29.107

<v Michael>I think what I saw was that the people who are really good at this,

00:33:29.127 --> 00:33:35.887

<v Michael>they're not doing anything different than the people that are not very good at this.

00:33:36.027 --> 00:33:41.487

<v Michael>In fact, the only thing that they seem to be doing is something internal.

00:33:42.267 --> 00:33:46.007

<v Michael>It's like they are seeing the world in a different way.

00:33:46.327 --> 00:33:51.287

<v Michael>And so I started talking to a lot of these people, like the pros or the naturals,

00:33:51.407 --> 00:33:52.827

<v Michael>and I'd start interviewing them.

00:33:53.547 --> 00:33:59.187

<v Michael>And I think the thing that I learned is that they are able to access this state

00:33:59.187 --> 00:34:03.467

<v Michael>of flow, this state of energetic expression.

00:34:03.947 --> 00:34:09.067

<v Michael>And in fact, I remember one person telling me that they don't even think about the words.

00:34:09.587 --> 00:34:14.467

<v Michael>They just connect with a state of energy or a state of emotion,

00:34:14.467 --> 00:34:18.047

<v Michael>and they just flow with it. And the words just follow along.

00:34:18.587 --> 00:34:22.587

<v Michael>And so I think I just got really curious and seeing like, wow,

00:34:22.687 --> 00:34:29.587

<v Michael>this isn't about where to put my hands and how to make eye contact and where to stand on stage.

00:34:29.767 --> 00:34:34.947

<v Michael>Like none of that is what the pros are actually doing. What the pros are actually

00:34:34.947 --> 00:34:37.567

<v Michael>doing is they're learning how to connect with something internal.

00:34:37.987 --> 00:34:43.227

<v Michael>So I got really curious about like, okay, if the secret to speaking is in state

00:34:43.227 --> 00:34:46.387

<v Michael>of energy, like I want to discover what that is.

00:34:46.847 --> 00:34:49.827

<v Michael>And that's kind of what led me on this crazy ride.

00:34:51.130 --> 00:34:55.030

<v Doc>Yeah. The idea of like steepling your hands or standing.

00:34:55.250 --> 00:34:57.830

<v Doc>What happens if the person is in a wheelchair and don't have no hands?

00:34:57.930 --> 00:35:00.410

<v Doc>What they can't public speak. Like I always thought that stuff was stupid.

00:35:00.610 --> 00:35:04.390

<v Doc>I've never done that stuff. And I'm from New York. Yo, the hands are flying dog deal with it.

00:35:04.610 --> 00:35:07.230

<v Doc>Like, you know, I always hated that stuff. I think, you know,

00:35:07.430 --> 00:35:13.210

<v Doc>unfortunately, a lot of those old trainings and stuff were just built on trying

00:35:13.210 --> 00:35:16.790

<v Doc>to make you model them and not like finding your best you.

00:35:16.990 --> 00:35:21.410

<v Doc>So if it was up to me, I would just say there's no sustenance traditional speaking.

00:35:21.410 --> 00:35:25.490

<v Doc>It's just people selling you what they know and not that, and not at all.

00:35:25.550 --> 00:35:26.930

<v Doc>It's not all going to fit you. Right.

00:35:27.090 --> 00:35:29.910

<v Doc>I can't, I can't take you to the big and tall shop. Michael,

00:35:29.910 --> 00:35:31.290

<v Doc>you come out swimming in fabric.

00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:35.770

<v Doc>It's not going to work. You know, it doesn't make sense. Where's my clothes

00:35:35.770 --> 00:35:37.790

<v Doc>would sort of fit. So there's that.

00:35:38.130 --> 00:35:40.910

<v Michael>Love how you said that. Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:41.350 --> 00:35:48.590

<v Katie>All right, doc, now we can get to games. I, I, yeah, I, I prepped a game and good news.

00:35:48.810 --> 00:35:52.050

<v Katie>For all of you, whether you're joining us live right now in the live recording

00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:55.950

<v Katie>or you're watching or listening later, you can play along with us.

00:35:56.230 --> 00:36:00.290

<v Katie>So what we're going to do is a one minute, no prep game.

00:36:00.690 --> 00:36:05.090

<v Katie>So we are going to, we're going to, we have a six different prompts that the

00:36:05.090 --> 00:36:08.290

<v Katie>three of us are going to do. Maybe we'll rotate back and forth who does it.

00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:13.470

<v Katie>And we're just going to talk about that topic for 60 seconds without worrying

00:36:13.470 --> 00:36:18.350

<v Katie>about what we say or how we say it or overthinking or asking for a cut or a timeout.

00:36:18.550 --> 00:36:20.510

<v Katie>We're just going to go through and do it.

00:36:20.750 --> 00:36:26.750

<v Katie>You can play along by using hashtag one minute, no prep and tag the Ecamm accounts.

00:36:26.890 --> 00:36:28.350

<v Katie>We'd love to see your videos.

00:36:28.510 --> 00:36:33.650

<v Katie>So be confident with us, choose whatever topic you want, write it out,

00:36:33.750 --> 00:36:36.410

<v Katie>say it and record those videos and send them through to us.

00:36:36.570 --> 00:36:42.110

<v Katie>We're going to send some prizes to some of our favorites. So be sure to play along with us.

00:36:42.350 --> 00:36:45.390

<v Katie>Again, that is hashtag one minute, no prep.

00:36:45.990 --> 00:36:50.330

<v Katie>And you can tag Ecamm so that we make sure that we find it, whatever platform

00:36:50.330 --> 00:36:51.650

<v Katie>works best for you to share it with us.

00:36:51.770 --> 00:36:54.450

<v Katie>But I thought that would be fun. All right, Luis, are you ready?

00:36:56.874 --> 00:36:59.634

<v Katie>For our first, our first one, Luis is ready.

00:37:00.154 --> 00:37:00.414

<v Doc>All right.

00:37:00.574 --> 00:37:03.514

<v Katie>This is kind of cheating because I know what they are, but there we are.

00:37:03.674 --> 00:37:06.114

<v Katie>We can, all right. So Michael, do you want to go first?

00:37:06.434 --> 00:37:09.394

<v Katie>60 seconds on the clock. Explain why cereal is soup.

00:37:10.394 --> 00:37:15.594

<v Michael>Most people think cereal is not soup because soup is warm and cereal is cold milk.

00:37:16.054 --> 00:37:20.014

<v Michael>I think what makes soup soup is the warmth. So you're right.

00:37:20.374 --> 00:37:23.634

<v Michael>But warmth to me is like a heartiness.

00:37:23.634 --> 00:37:26.774

<v Michael>It's the warmth that you'd feel with family

00:37:26.774 --> 00:37:29.994

<v Michael>having dinner or with friends having sandwich

00:37:29.994 --> 00:37:33.374

<v Michael>i remember having like orange slices at a soccer game and just

00:37:33.374 --> 00:37:36.394

<v Michael>feeling like really connected to my my team members

00:37:36.394 --> 00:37:43.434

<v Michael>i was in like second grade though so cereal is to me a really bonding experience

00:37:43.434 --> 00:37:48.754

<v Michael>even if you're eating it by yourself there's nothing like being 11 p.m and everyone's

00:37:48.754 --> 00:37:52.254

<v Michael>in bed and i go out of bed because i'm hungry and i'm scrolling my phone and

00:37:52.254 --> 00:37:55.274

<v Michael>i'm having my bowl of of Wheaties with some bananas.

00:37:55.534 --> 00:37:58.074

<v Michael>It's a real hearty experience.

00:37:58.354 --> 00:38:04.694

<v Michael>And I think the warmth of that is really the metaphorical soup that probably

00:38:04.694 --> 00:38:06.854

<v Michael>all food has for ourselves.

00:38:09.894 --> 00:38:12.434

<v Katie>Relatable. I'm a nighttime serial eater.

00:38:12.774 --> 00:38:13.994

<v Michael>It's a guilty pleasure.

00:38:14.154 --> 00:38:18.014

<v Katie>Well done. Well done. Well done. All right, Doc, are you ready?

00:38:18.114 --> 00:38:22.294

<v Doc>I just want to say gazpacho and vichys. wall or not.

00:38:22.754 --> 00:38:24.194

<v Michael>Oh yeah, that's right. Okay.

00:38:24.534 --> 00:38:25.534

<v Katie>There you go. Nice.

00:38:25.734 --> 00:38:26.474

<v Michael>Good thinking.

00:38:27.134 --> 00:38:29.614

<v Katie>All right. Doc's up next. And this one is.

00:38:30.588 --> 00:38:35.388

<v Katie>This one is specifically for Doc, because I know that he will rock this one.

00:38:35.528 --> 00:38:37.428

<v Katie>He will Doc rock this one. All right, ready?

00:38:37.808 --> 00:38:40.468

<v Katie>Convince me pineapple does not belong on pizza.

00:38:40.928 --> 00:38:46.488

<v Doc>Oh, my goodness. Pineapple does not belong on pizza. It's like people who don't

00:38:46.488 --> 00:38:48.568

<v Doc>dance in the pizza. It's simple as pie.

00:38:48.788 --> 00:38:53.028

<v Doc>If you look straight in the eye, you do not put fruit on something that grows your thighs.

00:38:53.208 --> 00:38:58.088

<v Doc>It's all about tomatoes, slices, meats, and veg, and never about pineapples

00:38:58.088 --> 00:39:01.368

<v Doc>that you see in your head. And the number one thing that gets my brain flying

00:39:01.368 --> 00:39:04.808

<v Doc>is assume that pineapple makes it Hawaiian.

00:39:05.348 --> 00:39:10.488

<v Doc>Never ascribe a fruit to an ethnicity or even worse, a straight nationality.

00:39:10.588 --> 00:39:14.308

<v Doc>What most people don't know, and I came to see them and that Hawaii is a place,

00:39:14.368 --> 00:39:20.068

<v Doc>but it's also a kingdom. So never put such things on top of a pizza,

00:39:20.328 --> 00:39:22.788

<v Doc>whether New York or Connecticut, a pizza.

00:39:23.008 --> 00:39:28.248

<v Doc>It's most important that you never get this thought lost. never should pineapple

00:39:28.248 --> 00:39:34.108

<v Doc>see tomato sauce and that is my diatribe on pizza and never call it a yo

00:39:34.108 --> 00:39:43.028

<v Michael>Come on wow magician magician doc that was outstanding oh my.

00:39:43.028 --> 00:39:44.628

<v Katie>Gosh that was

00:39:44.628 --> 00:39:49.168

<v Doc>Absolutely trying to set me up she got me she that gets me fired up bro i hate

00:39:49.168 --> 00:39:52.888

<v Doc>it don't just put pie on something and call it Hawaiian. That's dirty. That's just nasty.

00:39:53.868 --> 00:39:56.068

<v Michael>Wow. Incredible.

00:39:59.808 --> 00:40:03.368

<v Katie>Oh, I don't want to do this next one. You got this, Katie. I feel nervous.

00:40:03.748 --> 00:40:04.828

<v Katie>How do I overcome nerves?

00:40:04.828 --> 00:40:06.048

<v Michael>You got to stay in it. Express.

00:40:06.548 --> 00:40:07.688

<v Doc>Tequila. I told you.

00:40:07.788 --> 00:40:10.668

<v Katie>All right, Luis. I was going to ask you to switch it and force Michael to do

00:40:10.668 --> 00:40:13.388

<v Katie>it. All right. Pitch a product that solves a problem no one has.

00:40:15.408 --> 00:40:17.408

<v Katie>What's a problem that no one has?

00:40:20.828 --> 00:40:25.128

<v Katie>Oh man these these things are hard see this is what these episodes make me nervous

00:40:25.848 --> 00:40:30.768

<v Doc>Um no one has lacks of confidence i tell you that everyone has it they just hide it

00:40:32.181 --> 00:40:37.741

<v Katie>Oh, yeah. All right. So, I mean, allow me to create a product for you that gives

00:40:37.741 --> 00:40:39.601

<v Katie>you immediate confidence.

00:40:39.641 --> 00:40:44.861

<v Katie>It's a shot that you take right in the heel of your foot, and it will make you

00:40:44.861 --> 00:40:46.521

<v Katie>feel significantly better.

00:40:46.721 --> 00:40:49.981

<v Katie>And you might be afraid of the idea of getting a shot to your foot,

00:40:50.081 --> 00:40:53.681

<v Katie>but it is a painless shot because that is how awesome this product is.

00:40:53.681 --> 00:40:58.401

<v Katie>So within 16 seconds or less, you will feel super confident and you'll be able

00:40:58.401 --> 00:41:01.841

<v Katie>to pitch a product to someone else about problems that no one has.

00:41:02.341 --> 00:41:04.121

<v Katie>That is how incredible this product is.

00:41:04.361 --> 00:41:09.481

<v Michael>If you can do that, I'm pretty sure you're going to get millions of dollars flowing your way.

00:41:10.901 --> 00:41:14.421

<v Katie>Maybe it is a problem that everyone has. Huh, that's hard.

00:41:15.041 --> 00:41:18.161

<v Katie>Doc, man, I'm like doubly impressed at your ability to wrap.

00:41:18.721 --> 00:41:20.561

<v Katie>I'm on camera all the time, but that is difficult.

00:41:20.881 --> 00:41:23.621

<v Katie>All right, well, this is super unfair. I'm going to make Michael do this one

00:41:23.621 --> 00:41:26.481

<v Katie>because Doc would do this one super well.

00:41:26.581 --> 00:41:33.241

<v Katie>The next one for you, Michael, is describe your podcast like it's a blockbuster movie trailer.

00:41:33.421 --> 00:41:38.201

<v Katie>This is ironic because I have a 90s movie podcast. This is so good.

00:41:38.401 --> 00:41:45.981

<v Michael>This summer, two men tackle the biggest, baddest problem in America.

00:41:46.481 --> 00:41:49.201

<v Michael>And no, it's not burgers.

00:41:50.061 --> 00:41:53.421

<v Michael>Public speaking anxiety is ravaging the nation.

00:41:53.841 --> 00:41:59.881

<v Michael>Coronavirus 2020, forget about it. We're not locked down. We are locked in.

00:42:00.821 --> 00:42:06.101

<v Michael>This summer, one man has to go up on stage in front of an audience,

00:42:06.761 --> 00:42:08.801

<v Michael>and all of them are naked.

00:42:09.641 --> 00:42:17.761

<v Michael>Or are they? Whether it's a dream or reality, the cure exists within yourself. Join us.

00:42:19.061 --> 00:42:19.881

<v Katie>Join

00:42:19.881 --> 00:42:26.621

<v Michael>Us on this adventure thriller romance comedy as you discover that the secret

00:42:26.621 --> 00:42:33.861

<v Michael>to public speaking cures hides within oh.

00:42:33.861 --> 00:42:40.841

<v Katie>My god that was that is so that was legendary take me back take me back to awesome

00:42:40.841 --> 00:42:45.381

<v Katie>movie trailers that is amazing It needs to be an action romance comedy. That's phenomenal.

00:42:47.261 --> 00:42:51.321

<v Katie>All right. Well, don't get a big head on this one, Doc. But this one is over for you.

00:42:52.341 --> 00:42:56.681

<v Katie>You've just been elected mayor of the internet. What is your first order?

00:42:57.021 --> 00:42:58.761

<v Katie>You're not really mayor of the internet, though.

00:42:59.301 --> 00:43:05.461

<v Doc>Oh, dang it. If I could be mayor of the internet, I would immediately require

00:43:05.461 --> 00:43:08.681

<v Doc>that you have a internet driver's license.

00:43:08.681 --> 00:43:14.461

<v Doc>And along with said internet driver's license, there would be a test not just

00:43:14.461 --> 00:43:19.841

<v Doc>for IQ for the sake of seeing how smart you are, but IQ for your ability to

00:43:19.841 --> 00:43:23.261

<v Doc>actually take the information that you gather and do something with it.

00:43:23.944 --> 00:43:28.424

<v Doc>And you would get strikes on your license for doing things like,

00:43:28.424 --> 00:43:33.424

<v Doc>you know, hate comments or mean comments or just adding things to the conversation

00:43:33.424 --> 00:43:35.324

<v Doc>that don't add anything to the conversation.

00:43:35.364 --> 00:43:37.364

<v Doc>Like that would get you points on your license.

00:43:37.664 --> 00:43:42.124

<v Doc>You definitely would get DWIs for surfing while intoxicated.

00:43:42.744 --> 00:43:46.364

<v Doc>I probably would be guilty of one of those and would need a cover up.

00:43:46.864 --> 00:43:51.184

<v Doc>But if I was mayor of the Internet, I would probably eliminate stupid people

00:43:51.184 --> 00:43:55.304

<v Doc>because that's just one of my pet peeves. And I don't mean stupid as in lack of intelligence.

00:43:55.524 --> 00:43:59.144

<v Doc>I mean the lazy to not care to get intelligent. And that would be it.

00:43:59.804 --> 00:44:01.504

<v Doc>But, you know, you knew that already, Katie.

00:44:02.384 --> 00:44:04.704

<v Katie>That's good. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

00:44:05.084 --> 00:44:06.064

<v Michael>The bad drivers.

00:44:06.364 --> 00:44:09.904

<v Katie>All right. All right. Last one. And this is hilariously ironic.

00:44:10.284 --> 00:44:16.044

<v Katie>All right. I'm going to tell you about a time where I totally blanked on camera and what I learned.

00:44:16.644 --> 00:44:21.784

<v Katie>Did not plan these out in advance. A few moments ago, I totally blanked on camera

00:44:21.784 --> 00:44:26.504

<v Katie>because I was overthinking about the fact that I couldn't think through what

00:44:26.504 --> 00:44:28.564

<v Katie>a problem was that no one had.

00:44:28.744 --> 00:44:33.364

<v Katie>And that got in the way of me just saying and talking and experiencing and getting

00:44:33.364 --> 00:44:37.424

<v Katie>a little bit better on camera. And it's hilarious because I planned all of this

00:44:37.424 --> 00:44:42.164

<v Katie>in advance because, as I said, I am a planner, or at least I'm a recovering planner.

00:44:42.464 --> 00:44:46.784

<v Katie>And so it's absolutely hilarious that the follow-up prompt that fell to me,

00:44:46.904 --> 00:44:50.524

<v Katie>which I tried really hard not to review in advance so I would be authentically

00:44:50.524 --> 00:44:54.884

<v Katie>playing these games with both of you, was about the time that I totally blanked on camera.

00:44:54.884 --> 00:44:57.764

<v Katie>And I think the most important part about all of this, honestly,

00:44:58.104 --> 00:45:02.584

<v Katie>is to just keep trying, even though you fail, even if you fail publicly,

00:45:02.884 --> 00:45:06.104

<v Katie>even if you're failing and not actually failing because it's all in your head,

00:45:06.224 --> 00:45:09.704

<v Katie>the more you push yourself and the more you remind yourself that it's a journey

00:45:09.704 --> 00:45:12.104

<v Katie>about getting to know yourself better and being better at this,

00:45:12.284 --> 00:45:14.824

<v Katie>the better you're going to do. So this was a good one.

00:45:15.584 --> 00:45:19.864

<v Doc>You just gave me a killer idea for when I'm on stage.

00:45:20.644 --> 00:45:25.604

<v Doc>And okay, say we're doing the panel and Michael asked me a question that I need time to think.

00:45:26.164 --> 00:45:30.024

<v Doc>I would say, okay, audience, I need your help here. I need time to think.

00:45:30.164 --> 00:45:32.184

<v Doc>So I need you to clap to 10 real fast.

00:45:34.384 --> 00:45:38.704

<v Doc>And in that time, I will have came up with my thought. But also you got the

00:45:38.704 --> 00:45:40.864

<v Doc>audience doing something rather than sitting there going.

00:45:43.944 --> 00:45:47.844

<v Doc>Right. So pick a number, pull the number. And you know me, I'm strange.

00:45:47.964 --> 00:45:49.264

<v Doc>I'm not going to say 10. I'm going to be like 12.

00:45:49.744 --> 00:45:53.564

<v Doc>And just everybody clap. And then, you know, while they're doing that,

00:45:53.624 --> 00:45:56.204

<v Doc>it gives you a second of thought. Now you're not sitting there with the dead air.

00:45:57.124 --> 00:46:00.064

<v Doc>Right? Or like tell them to turn around and shake hands real quick.

00:46:00.364 --> 00:46:02.624

<v Doc>You know, make them do something so that they're not in that.

00:46:02.764 --> 00:46:05.064

<v Doc>Because, you know, we're sitting in the thing a kit, right? And everybody's

00:46:05.064 --> 00:46:08.004

<v Doc>speaking on stage. Everybody's just sitting there like this and there's no activity.

00:46:08.644 --> 00:46:12.564

<v Doc>And so, you know, that's why I like to stand on stage and ask people to raise

00:46:12.564 --> 00:46:16.384

<v Doc>their hand or do something in the beginning to get their body moving so that

00:46:16.384 --> 00:46:19.104

<v Doc>I know that they're engaged and not just sitting there with a pen and paper.

00:46:19.404 --> 00:46:22.324

<v Doc>And I always get mad. I try to talk so fast that there's no way you can write it down.

00:46:23.765 --> 00:46:26.905

<v Doc>I really hate the fact that people sit there and try to write everything down.

00:46:27.005 --> 00:46:28.945

<v Doc>I'm like, you're not paying attention if you're writing it down.

00:46:29.065 --> 00:46:31.785

<v Doc>Your brain cannot do both no matter what school told you.

00:46:32.685 --> 00:46:37.305

<v Doc>Right? So, like, I'd rather you listen and absorb this heat than try to write it all down.

00:46:37.885 --> 00:46:39.245

<v Doc>And I think that's where, you

00:46:39.245 --> 00:46:42.485

<v Doc>know, providing a handout or a worksheet or something is really helpful.

00:46:42.745 --> 00:46:46.665

<v Doc>But I think one other thing that everybody does, hand the sheet out in the beginning.

00:46:47.585 --> 00:46:50.305

<v Doc>Wrong. Hand the sheet out at the end. But, like, I'm going to give you a sheet

00:46:50.305 --> 00:46:52.585

<v Doc>at the end with everything I said. I'm going to give you all the slides and

00:46:52.585 --> 00:46:59.305

<v Doc>the QR code at the end because even me, who knows better, when they go to speak

00:46:59.305 --> 00:47:01.465

<v Doc>and they say, here's my slides, you can download them.

00:47:01.785 --> 00:47:05.945

<v Doc>You're doing this and they're on slide three and you're still over there looking at what they put.

00:47:06.125 --> 00:47:08.985

<v Doc>You're jumping ahead because we were that we were like that in school.

00:47:09.105 --> 00:47:10.005

<v Doc>We were trying to jump ahead.

00:47:10.145 --> 00:47:14.365

<v Doc>You know, you got the test book and like nobody open a test book. And you're like, right.

00:47:14.845 --> 00:47:19.205

<v Doc>Like Mr. Boyd, I said nobody open a test book, you know. So we all are like

00:47:19.205 --> 00:47:21.865

<v Doc>that, especially those of us who were probably like, you know,

00:47:22.005 --> 00:47:24.265

<v Doc>AB students, we were normally jumping ahead.

00:47:24.565 --> 00:47:27.825

<v Doc>So like put that stuff at the end, like tell them you're going to give it to

00:47:27.825 --> 00:47:29.765

<v Doc>them. Tell them you'll give them a handout at the end, but tell them you want

00:47:29.765 --> 00:47:31.265

<v Doc>them to pay attention, put the pens down.

00:47:31.685 --> 00:47:35.725

<v Doc>I think that will also help you because then you can see engagements instead of top of heads.

00:47:36.165 --> 00:47:38.625

<v Doc>And when you're talking and you're looking at the top of heads,

00:47:38.865 --> 00:47:40.925

<v Doc>it does definitely throw you a brick.

00:47:42.905 --> 00:47:44.765

<v Doc>So those things might help you as well.

00:47:46.785 --> 00:47:50.585

<v Katie>Awesome. And Michael, you were saying that earlier before we jumped on that

00:47:50.585 --> 00:47:53.985

<v Katie>there were a number of games, too, that UltraSpeaking has.

00:47:54.365 --> 00:47:59.105

<v Katie>What are some that the crew should check out or consider playing?

00:47:59.645 --> 00:48:02.165

<v Michael>Do I have the ability to share a screen or no?

00:48:03.525 --> 00:48:05.525

<v Katie>Yeah. Luis, can Michael share a screen?

00:48:07.605 --> 00:48:13.225

<v Michael>Okay, fantastic. So I'll just quickly share this.

00:48:13.225 --> 00:48:17.145

<v Doc>I like what Tommy said. Ask the audience at the count of three to shout out

00:48:17.145 --> 00:48:19.865

<v Doc>topics and then do the one that you have planned to do anyway.

00:48:20.285 --> 00:48:23.285

<v Doc>You let them think that they actually shouted it out in the melee.

00:48:23.705 --> 00:48:27.945

<v Doc>Oh, my God, Tommy, I'm screen capturing and stealing that. That is so good.

00:48:28.465 --> 00:48:31.225

<v Michael>So I'll show you just a couple of games.

00:48:31.505 --> 00:48:31.585

<v Katie>One.

00:48:31.825 --> 00:48:32.245

<v Michael>Can you all?

00:48:32.465 --> 00:48:35.105

<v Katie>Just give one second for Luis to pop it on because we can see it.

00:48:35.225 --> 00:48:35.985

<v Katie>Oh, yeah, for sure. They can't see it.

00:48:41.085 --> 00:48:44.565

<v Katie>And are these all are they publicly available on the ultra yeah if

00:48:44.565 --> 00:48:47.825

<v Michael>You create an account on ultra speaking.com you'll have access to most of these

00:48:47.825 --> 00:48:55.225

<v Michael>games for free and you can train your brain to think on the fly so let me know

00:48:55.225 --> 00:48:58.585

<v Michael>when uh when we got him pulled up.

00:48:58.585 --> 00:49:01.205

<v Doc>You should actually

00:49:01.205 --> 00:49:01.485

<v Katie>Learn

00:49:03.785 --> 00:49:10.145

<v Katie>scroll through to make sure we're not missing any other questions oh my god

00:49:12.065 --> 00:49:16.805

<v Katie>Lots of compliments on how awesome this is, Michael. So really appreciate you jumping on.

00:49:16.865 --> 00:49:17.485

<v Michael>Yeah, my pleasure.

00:49:18.405 --> 00:49:20.065

<v Katie>There we are. We are good to go.

00:49:20.225 --> 00:49:25.725

<v Michael>Fantastic. So this is the Ultra Speaking games. And I'll just show you a couple.

00:49:25.905 --> 00:49:28.525

<v Michael>I think, Doc, you're going to get a kick out of these especially.

00:49:28.745 --> 00:49:34.065

<v Michael>So for example, I really like the game Triple Step. Triple Steps are really...

00:49:34.685 --> 00:49:37.185

<v Michael>So what's going to happen, Doc, if you want to play along?

00:49:37.905 --> 00:49:42.645

<v Michael>It's the same exercise of you'll get a topic... And it's like a speech title

00:49:42.645 --> 00:49:45.185

<v Michael>and your job is to just speak on that topic for a minute.

00:49:45.345 --> 00:49:48.605

<v Michael>So you'll have a minute timer here. But as you're speaking, you're going to

00:49:48.605 --> 00:49:53.605

<v Michael>have like random words or phrases appear in one of these checkboxes.

00:49:53.685 --> 00:49:58.425

<v Michael>And your job is to just integrate this on the fly as if it were the plan all

00:49:58.425 --> 00:50:02.805

<v Michael>along in time to fit all six into your speech.

00:50:04.266 --> 00:50:07.306

<v Doc>Oh, this is cool. Sort of like Pecha Kucha. I love it.

00:50:07.486 --> 00:50:11.046

<v Katie>The cool thing about this too, like just for all of you who maybe are feeling

00:50:11.046 --> 00:50:13.886

<v Katie>a little bit more nervous about this, or you're like, oh, I want to be in,

00:50:13.926 --> 00:50:15.526

<v Katie>but I'm having that like gut reaction.

00:50:15.846 --> 00:50:20.466

<v Katie>The cool thing is like, again, you can use a tool like Ecamm and record these just for you.

00:50:20.606 --> 00:50:24.106

<v Katie>Like you can start by just doing it yourself to get more comfortable with it.

00:50:24.286 --> 00:50:28.026

<v Katie>You don't have to live stream this or make this public just to get in the habit

00:50:28.026 --> 00:50:29.766

<v Katie>of doing it. So just a reminder.

00:50:30.226 --> 00:50:33.806

<v Doc>As a medical professional, if you don't have that gut reaction,

00:50:34.046 --> 00:50:37.506

<v Doc>you definitely need to see a doctor because your uticortical system is broken.

00:50:37.966 --> 00:50:39.146

<v Michael>Doc, you want to give this a go?

00:50:39.406 --> 00:50:39.626

<v Katie>Yeah.

00:50:40.306 --> 00:50:43.206

<v Doc>Yeah, sure. I'm always done. All right.

00:50:43.706 --> 00:50:48.066

<v Doc>Oh, you got me good. He knows me. He knows me. All right. Let's talk about irrational fear.

00:50:48.226 --> 00:50:50.846

<v Doc>Like there is nothing to fear but fear itself. But actually,

00:50:50.986 --> 00:50:54.266

<v Doc>you should learn to harness fear and use it as an ability.

00:50:54.466 --> 00:50:57.026

<v Doc>So, for instance, if you're job hunting and you're thinking that,

00:50:57.166 --> 00:50:59.206

<v Doc>well, you're never going to get this job.

00:50:59.206 --> 00:51:02.006

<v Doc>It's not that you're scared not to get the job it's you're scared

00:51:02.006 --> 00:51:04.746

<v Doc>you're going to get it but of course when the job app comes through and you

00:51:04.746 --> 00:51:07.906

<v Doc>get it you immediately want to do cartwheels sometimes physically

00:51:07.906 --> 00:51:10.546

<v Doc>sometimes it's just cartwheels in your head trying to see what you're going

00:51:10.546 --> 00:51:13.566

<v Doc>to do so now that you've landed this position it's like

00:51:13.566 --> 00:51:17.406

<v Doc>when I go in I need to go in and set my territory and make my ground but I also

00:51:17.406 --> 00:51:21.026

<v Doc>need to sit back and spy but never forget that the most important thing is bring

00:51:21.026 --> 00:51:24.426

<v Doc>all your stuff so you can do your I-9 because with your I-9 you can set yourself

00:51:24.426 --> 00:51:28.626

<v Doc>up to make sure that your taxes are in order and not have you out here looking

00:51:28.626 --> 00:51:30.886

<v Doc>like a scarecrow standing on the end of a fence,

00:51:30.986 --> 00:51:34.086

<v Doc>you know, with just straw and stuff coming out of your hair. I kind of wish I had hair.

00:51:34.246 --> 00:51:38.526

<v Doc>And most of all, get into your new job, but do not be afraid to run with scissors

00:51:38.526 --> 00:51:40.486

<v Doc>because only then can you show

00:51:40.486 --> 00:51:44.766

<v Doc>them that you have no fear and you're not irrational. So simple as pie.

00:51:45.166 --> 00:51:49.086

<v Michael>Give it up for Doc. Woo-hoo! I love it!

00:51:50.403 --> 00:51:52.223

<v Katie>I love it. So fun.

00:51:52.603 --> 00:51:55.383

<v Michael>So the way you're playing is really.

00:51:55.503 --> 00:51:57.483

<v Doc>How do we make this a drinking game? That's all I want to know.

00:51:58.623 --> 00:51:59.103

<v Michael>Tequila.

00:52:03.383 --> 00:52:04.943

<v Doc>This is so good.

00:52:04.983 --> 00:52:12.463

<v Michael>I'll show you one more game that I think is really helpful to anybody that struggles

00:52:12.463 --> 00:52:17.103

<v Michael>with being monotonous or has gotten feedback that like,

00:52:17.103 --> 00:52:21.163

<v Michael>hey when you speak like it's a little bit like i wish you had a little bit more

00:52:21.163 --> 00:52:26.963

<v Michael>conviction or a little bit more dynamism in your speaking gotcha um so which

00:52:26.963 --> 00:52:31.523

<v Michael>one of you would like to play maybe katie you could give us a go just to show what it's like all.

00:52:31.523 --> 00:52:31.943

<v Katie>Right i'll try

00:52:31.943 --> 00:52:37.023

<v Michael>Let me explain how this works real quick um this is called the conductor and

00:52:37.023 --> 00:52:40.443

<v Michael>what's beautiful about this game is once you start playing the conductor is

00:52:40.443 --> 00:52:45.223

<v Michael>in complete control of your energy so you don't have to focus on your energy

00:52:45.223 --> 00:52:47.083

<v Michael>anymore and we got a funny title

00:52:47.083 --> 00:52:50.943

<v Michael>here so your five the mystery of energy your five is going to be your,

00:52:51.523 --> 00:52:55.403

<v Michael>baseline speaking voice it's how you speak to us and how you've been speaking

00:52:55.403 --> 00:53:00.623

<v Michael>the whole time but the numbers are going to jump from one to ten or you'll have a breathe screen,

00:53:02.103 --> 00:53:07.103

<v Michael>okay breathe screen you just take a giant pause a ten should be wild and out

00:53:07.103 --> 00:53:10.443

<v Michael>of this world and everything in this game,

00:53:11.603 --> 00:53:17.703

<v Michael>is about learning to match the numbers in the moment that you see them all right

00:53:17.703 --> 00:53:19.503

<v Michael>you got this wait there's.

00:53:19.503 --> 00:53:21.943

<v Katie>A clean and there's a dirty op don't put that on but

00:53:21.943 --> 00:53:27.143

<v Michael>There's like a yeah we built it for doc because i know he loves he loves that uh sorry sorry.

00:53:27.143 --> 00:53:30.603

<v Katie>I was immediately distracted okay thank you michael

00:53:32.763 --> 00:53:33.803

<v Katie>keep an eye clean

00:53:33.803 --> 00:53:36.383

<v Michael>For me here you got this i.

00:53:36.383 --> 00:53:37.563

<v Doc>Want to see the katie sweary

00:53:37.563 --> 00:53:37.923

<v Michael>Option.

00:53:39.933 --> 00:53:43.073

<v Katie>All right. Today I'm going to be talking to you all about illusions,

00:53:43.073 --> 00:53:47.193

<v Katie>which are just one of the coolest things out there because it involves magic

00:53:47.193 --> 00:53:49.893

<v Katie>and you can do all kinds of incredible things.

00:53:50.053 --> 00:53:55.313

<v Katie>And it's just really so incredibly exciting when someone walks up on stage and things disappear.

00:53:55.753 --> 00:54:01.313

<v Katie>And then, you know, it just sometimes it just really gets you very concerned

00:54:01.313 --> 00:54:05.373

<v Katie>and confused about how they could put these kinds of things together.

00:54:05.373 --> 00:54:08.953

<v Katie>Because what are they doing behind the scenes that makes it,

00:54:08.973 --> 00:54:14.393

<v Katie>you know, that interesting as they're coming up with all of these different illusions?

00:54:14.693 --> 00:54:18.453

<v Katie>And how are they even thinking through some of this stuff? Because,

00:54:18.653 --> 00:54:21.253

<v Katie>you know, how are they putting these kinds of things together?

00:54:21.613 --> 00:54:26.213

<v Katie>And what are they doing that makes it so just magical that it's blowing people's

00:54:26.213 --> 00:54:30.113

<v Katie>minds and coming up with all of these different ideas? is there must be a lot

00:54:30.113 --> 00:54:35.533

<v Katie>of training that goes into illusion creation in order to make it really interesting for people.

00:54:36.013 --> 00:54:40.833

<v Katie>And I think that it really is an art form that not everyone is able to do.

00:54:41.073 --> 00:54:43.513

<v Katie>But one of the coolest things that I've ever seen.

00:54:43.893 --> 00:54:48.073

<v Michael>Yo, bravo. Well done. Thanks. That's super cool. Yeah.

00:54:48.253 --> 00:54:51.953

<v Katie>It's hard to know the difference between like an eight and a seven and a...

00:54:51.953 --> 00:54:52.613

<v Katie>Yeah. It's interesting.

00:54:52.713 --> 00:54:53.553

<v Michael>You start to get...

00:54:53.553 --> 00:54:56.793

<v Doc>Mine are just 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10. I know you. One.

00:54:57.013 --> 00:54:58.813

<v Katie>I can do 10 and one. I don't know.

00:54:58.813 --> 00:55:04.353

<v Michael>But actually, if people want like the quickest, you know, shortcut to having

00:55:04.353 --> 00:55:10.453

<v Michael>more, we call it musicality, to having more dynamism in speaking, it's just to oscillate.

00:55:10.593 --> 00:55:15.953

<v Michael>It's just a contrast between a high energy and a low energy so that we can just

00:55:15.953 --> 00:55:18.553

<v Michael>appear a little bit more dynamic to people.

00:55:19.793 --> 00:55:23.073

<v Katie>George says that he's Greek, so his volume is usually at 10. Yeah.

00:55:23.713 --> 00:55:26.013

<v Doc>Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. I feel that, yeah. Hey,

00:55:26.153 --> 00:55:31.533

<v Doc>ask Luis. Luis goes from two to 25. It's called Puerto Rican.

00:55:32.833 --> 00:55:37.013

<v Michael>So there's lots of games on here. Each one is designed to train a particular

00:55:37.013 --> 00:55:42.773

<v Michael>sub-skill, a particular habit in speaking. For example, in rapid fire analogies,

00:55:42.773 --> 00:55:45.873

<v Michael>we're trying to learn how to speak without overthinking.

00:55:46.213 --> 00:55:51.093

<v Michael>So we say things like, breathing is like staying up late because your brain is activated.

00:55:51.433 --> 00:55:54.333

<v Michael>Startups are like scuba diving because you got to dive deep

00:55:54.333 --> 00:55:57.213

<v Michael>to succeed an engine

00:55:57.213 --> 00:56:01.873

<v Michael>is like monsters because it's scary how complicated it is leaving home is like

00:56:01.873 --> 00:56:06.333

<v Michael>shame because it hurts so much emotionally and so you end up playing these games

00:56:06.333 --> 00:56:11.873

<v Michael>and you try to learn to trust the flow trust your brain's autocomplete function

00:56:11.873 --> 00:56:14.853

<v Michael>and build the habit of not overthinking,

00:56:15.655 --> 00:56:20.475

<v Michael>And that's the premise of ultra speaking is that if you enjoy playing games,

00:56:20.475 --> 00:56:27.475

<v Michael>you can actually, as a side effect, improve the way that you feel and speak in front of people.

00:56:28.155 --> 00:56:31.715

<v Katie>All right, I'm diving. I'm going to dive deep on these this week, friends.

00:56:31.935 --> 00:56:36.155

<v Katie>So if you want to hang out and do the same, definitely tag us in,

00:56:36.255 --> 00:56:37.475

<v Katie>you know, in all of the cool.

00:56:37.695 --> 00:56:40.815

<v Katie>If you're willing to share your videos, tag us in the videos.

00:56:40.895 --> 00:56:43.295

<v Katie>They can be any of these games or the one that we mentioned earlier.

00:56:43.295 --> 00:56:45.655

<v Katie>But let's, yeah, let's all practice at this.

00:56:45.775 --> 00:56:53.235

<v Doc>And I have to tell you guys, at KIT, Caleb went to their workshop at KIT and

00:56:53.235 --> 00:56:56.095

<v Doc>Caleb came back singing praises.

00:56:56.415 --> 00:57:02.975

<v Doc>Fired up. So if you are interested in this at all, go to UltraSpeaking.com and check out the cohorts.

00:57:03.255 --> 00:57:08.575

<v Doc>They have one coming up very soon. It does coincide with camp, but you know what?

00:57:08.655 --> 00:57:11.775

<v Doc>We won't be mad at you if you'd be like, I have to go do my UltraSpeaking homework

00:57:11.775 --> 00:57:15.135

<v Doc>in the middle of the camp. because it might help you out at camp.

00:57:16.015 --> 00:57:20.915

<v Doc>But yeah, Caleb, I mean, you could talk to Caleb. They were like,

00:57:21.035 --> 00:57:23.635

<v Doc>yo, this was the coolest thing. You've got to go see them.

00:57:24.035 --> 00:57:28.575

<v Doc>Caleb was like dragging me around the little place where we were drinking.

00:57:28.675 --> 00:57:30.975

<v Doc>It's like a big auditorium type thing.

00:57:31.095 --> 00:57:33.095

<v Doc>It's like, you got to see Michael. You got to say, okay, okay,

00:57:33.095 --> 00:57:36.675

<v Doc>let's go. And then of course they wait till I got two drinks in my hand.

00:57:38.175 --> 00:57:44.415

<v Doc>But it's really cool. and as you can see it's a lot of fun and i think the biggest

00:57:44.415 --> 00:57:46.015

<v Doc>thing to take away from today

00:57:46.595 --> 00:57:49.635

<v Doc>is your fear is irrational like just

00:57:49.635 --> 00:57:52.475

<v Doc>just just you know get over it do

00:57:52.475 --> 00:57:55.415

<v Doc>your thing go have fun this is something that people should practice

00:57:55.415 --> 00:57:58.995

<v Doc>with their kids honestly you should do ultra speaking with a family it

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<v Doc>is one of the most important things you could probably do

00:58:01.775 --> 00:58:04.815

<v Doc>to your kids because all of us were fine again

00:58:04.815 --> 00:58:08.415

<v Doc>until some particular teacher or our classmate

00:58:08.415 --> 00:58:11.355

<v Doc>or bully took it away from us and then

00:58:11.355 --> 00:58:14.115

<v Doc>now we struggle with it for the rest of our life so if you

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<v Doc>can teach your kids this now and teach them to speak

00:58:16.835 --> 00:58:22.575

<v Doc>up for themselves they will never be in a position where their self their lack

00:58:22.575 --> 00:58:27.115

<v Doc>of self-esteem gets them in trouble normally when you get in trouble as a kid

00:58:27.115 --> 00:58:30.655

<v Doc>whether it's doing something you're not supposed to be doing or having kevin

00:58:30.655 --> 00:58:34.775

<v Doc>convince you that these car stereos need a different home that's your self because

00:58:34.775 --> 00:58:36.395

<v Doc>a systemic kid would be like no,

00:58:36.535 --> 00:58:38.915

<v Doc>dude, I ain't going to jail because of you. And then they walk away.

00:58:39.535 --> 00:58:43.875

<v Doc>You see what I mean? So like all of the above, trust me, I would say this is

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<v Doc>one that you guys should do.

00:58:45.015 --> 00:58:47.875

<v Doc>And I'm just prescribing it because I'm a doctor and I play one on TV.

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<v Katie>I love it. Absolutely. I'm a doctor.

00:58:52.803 --> 00:58:53.503

<v Doc>Super awesome.

00:58:53.703 --> 00:58:54.363

<v Michael>Oh my God.

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<v Doc>This is my favorite episode, 113D.

00:58:57.523 --> 00:58:58.243

<v Michael>Appreciate it.

00:58:58.403 --> 00:59:02.863

<v Katie>Sorry. 113, yeah. Thank you so, so much, Michael. This has been absolutely incredible.

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<v Katie>So I think we've shared your LinkedIn resources, but is there anything else

00:59:08.263 --> 00:59:09.403

<v Katie>that people should check out?

00:59:09.543 --> 00:59:14.243

<v Katie>How can they connect with you or learn more or find you? Where are the places and spaces?

00:59:14.243 --> 00:59:17.123

<v Michael>Sure, yeah. My name is Michael Gendler. You can find me on LinkedIn.

00:59:17.123 --> 00:59:19.443

<v Michael>In. I'm the founder of UltraSpeaking.

00:59:19.983 --> 00:59:24.763

<v Michael>Search UltraSpeaking anywhere on Google. You'll find podcast episodes, YouTube videos.

00:59:24.923 --> 00:59:30.443

<v Michael>We have a giant YouTube channel on like every speaking question you have is

00:59:30.443 --> 00:59:31.743

<v Michael>probably answered on there.

00:59:31.903 --> 00:59:36.063

<v Michael>And then there's lots of free ways to get started. You could play the games.

00:59:36.083 --> 00:59:38.643

<v Michael>You could join a free beginner live class.

00:59:39.043 --> 00:59:43.323

<v Michael>As Doc would attest to, like you can't get better at speaking without speaking.

00:59:43.623 --> 00:59:48.663

<v Michael>So if this is important to you, then the fastest way to improve is going to be with other people.

00:59:48.903 --> 00:59:53.263

<v Michael>And whether that's in a free life class or in a 30-day cohort,

00:59:53.563 --> 00:59:55.963

<v Michael>the most important thing is that you... And it doesn't even have to be through

00:59:55.963 --> 00:59:58.003

<v Michael>UltraSpeaking. There's Toastmasters out there.

00:59:58.123 --> 01:00:01.243

<v Michael>There's Dale Carnegie. There's lots of ways to improve.

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<v Michael>What's most important to me is that people recognize this is a learnable skill.

01:00:06.763 --> 01:00:12.503

<v Michael>Like we may not all be able to freestyle about pizza toppings the way Doc can,

01:00:12.663 --> 01:00:15.203

<v Michael>but all of us can enjoy speaking.

01:00:15.463 --> 01:00:20.863

<v Michael>In front of people on camera it's a very learnable skill so my my message to

01:00:20.863 --> 01:00:23.003

<v Michael>the world is that it's it's a skill worth pursuing.

01:00:23.003 --> 01:00:26.223

<v Doc>Michael i saw

01:00:26.223 --> 01:00:28.983

<v Doc>something yesterday that you would absolutely get a kick out

01:00:28.983 --> 01:00:33.143

<v Doc>of there was a girl on on instagram on

01:00:33.143 --> 01:00:35.983

<v Doc>a reel and it's a skit but she has her hands up

01:00:35.983 --> 01:00:39.183

<v Doc>and she's scary and it says the robber just told her

01:00:39.183 --> 01:00:42.343

<v Doc>to rap onyx slam

01:00:42.343 --> 01:00:45.203

<v Doc>perfectly and he wouldn't rob

01:00:45.203 --> 01:00:50.943

<v Doc>her and then she just she just did it and so she's getting into the good part

01:00:50.943 --> 01:00:54.623

<v Doc>so she still has her hands up and i'm cracking up laughing because as she's

01:00:54.623 --> 01:00:58.263

<v Doc>doing the lyrics i can't help but do it with her and everybody in the group

01:00:58.263 --> 01:01:02.923

<v Doc>tells you i have the worst musical tourettes so when i saw that i I was like,

01:01:03.023 --> 01:01:06.043

<v Doc>that is the most hilarious thing I've seen on the internet in like weeks.

01:01:06.183 --> 01:01:08.163

<v Doc>And of course, now that song is stuck in your head.

01:01:08.323 --> 01:01:12.423

<v Michael>Yeah, I love it. And yo, do you know Harry Mack, Doc? Have you heard of Harry Mack?

01:01:12.483 --> 01:01:12.843

<v Doc>Oh, absolutely.

01:01:13.063 --> 01:01:17.983

<v Michael>Yeah. So like for the viewers out there, type Harry Mack, Google his freestyles.

01:01:18.163 --> 01:01:20.083

<v Michael>I mean, that guy is probably the best in the world.

01:01:21.183 --> 01:01:24.583

<v Michael>And it just shows that we as humans are built for this thing.

01:01:24.783 --> 01:01:29.703

<v Michael>Like we have a thing in our brain that allows us to freestyle in speaking and writing and music.

01:01:30.903 --> 01:01:32.423

<v Michael>So it's incredible to see.

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<v Doc>That's super, super good.

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<v Katie>That is awesome. Well, thank you so much. And thanks all the Flowriders for

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<v Katie>I love it. I love your radio voice. It just makes it so fun.

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<v Doc>I'll work on my vhs voice did

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<v Katie>Yeah i know i'm like all right well i now need michael and doc to record me

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<v Katie>all um movie trailer style episodes for that would be hilarious uh awesome well

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<v Katie>from all of us here at the flow we will see you next time and doc will lead

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