The Flow: Episode 110 - How We Remote Produce Our Podcast with Ecamm (Flawless Workflow!)

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Aloha Flow Riders and welcome to this edition of The Flow. I am your co-host

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Doc Rock along with my awesome co-host.

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It's Katie. And today we got Luis kicking with us. What's up Luis? What's up everyone?

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Alright so today we are talking about how we remote produce this show.

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And I think this is, I mean we talked about it in pieces before but I don't

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think we've done a whole episode on it yet.

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But so what's cool about this is every time I go to a show, Katie,

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and someone will undoubtedly ask me, hey, what if I want somebody else to press

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all the buttons while I do this?

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And I'm like, well, turns out we do it every single Tuesday.

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They're like, wait, what? And then I think the funnier part is when I give them the distances.

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All right. So I'm in Honolulu. Right. And Katie's in Massachusetts and Louise

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is in Hollyweird, Florida.

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And they're like, wait, what? like it always wait i'm

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not understanding what's going on yeah you do it's simple you know how to use zoom

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yeah that's it you're good that's basically

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it blows people's minds it's kind of cool it is pretty amazing and it's funny

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so i um so this past week on my personal podcast i had uh rachel as my guest

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and she lives in the same town as me so we were in the studio together And now

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it's weird for me to be like,

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not remote, like producing like with someone in the same place.

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I'm like, oh, but you can see all my notes. And like, I don't know.

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I got to like lean across you to change scenes.

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So it is amazing like how easy this process is and how good it is at bringing

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people together over large distances.

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So it was a great question that came in from one of our flow writers who just

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really wanted like step by step how we do what we do. So I think it's going

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to be fun to jump through.

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I mean, Luis is on camera the whole time with us this time. So it's a win.

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No popping up in the Luis bubble.

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No. No, we should make you do the Luis bubble to show what the Luis bubble does.

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There you go. The Luis bubble.

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The Luis bubble. He reminds me of VH1 pop-up video. I mean, it's way to fit.

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Did you know that in 1978, Belinda Carlisle once had a toy cat she called Vangle?

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And that's where the name of the group came from.

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That is not true. I just made that up.

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You had me fooled. No accurate facts on this. No, I don't know where they get.

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I think they meant bangles like in bracelets.

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Because, you know, in the 80s, you wore all of the weird, colorful bangs.

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I think that's where she got it from. Yeah.

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And wait, actually, Belinda Carlisle is the go-go. So I completely mixed that

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one up. Anyway, Chris is going to come after me because Chris is my only other music fan in here.

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Chris, we need to live facts with us. Well, let's kick off by talking about

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what our current flow is for the flow.

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Because we've evolved a little bit over the last 100 plus episodes.

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But we started off with this idea, which I'm pretty sure was Doc's,

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because all good ideas over there to Mr. Doc.

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But we started off with this idea that we wanted for everyone to understand

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what the process was, what the flow was for creating a video podcast.

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And so we are live recording all of our episodes. So right now we are live.

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We are on YouTube. We are in front of all of our flow writers.

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They can contribute to the conversation. They can ask questions.

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We can ask questions of them.

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And then that video goes through an incredible process over a week of getting

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edited by Luis and getting kind of tweaked and ready to go.

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And then it gets released the following Tuesday. So we're in this kind of week-long

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flow for the flow that kicks off with this live recording process.

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And what we're talking about today is the, okay, how do you do the live recording process?

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So unlike some other shows where they maybe connect in through Zoom and then

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they record their show, we're live streaming it.

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But the process itself is the same.

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So Luis, since you are our incredible producer, what is the starting point each

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week as you're getting ready and thinking about how to prep.

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So you're the one who's pushing the buttons.

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Driving the show, what's the, what are the first steps as people are thinking

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about getting into this remote production space?

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Well, the first steps obviously are going to be, you most likely already have your own runner show.

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So it's either one of two steps, whether either you've created your own show

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and now you want a, you know, producer to take over, or you have someone like

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me who could actually make it all from scratch because you came to me first.

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So there's two ways to go about it in that way.

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If you have your own run of show, then it'll be a taking over of the process,

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which kind of leads into the communication that we would have between the client

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and the producer to make sure that I am broadcasting or recording to your desired

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locations. So that's always the first thing.

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Once that's set off to the side, that's where I kind of say,

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I think that's what the week to week basis starts of like producing the show.

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Once you have those things set, then we use this program Milanote to kind of

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communicate our thoughts and our settings for what's going to be coming up into the next week.

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So that's the first thing that I do is check Milanote to see who the guest is

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going to be, who like who the sponsors are going to be and all the information

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that we would normally talk about throughout the week, setting it up.

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We have now been implementing Milanote to actually convey that information.

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Cough button. You can tell I haven't been talking a lot this morning, so I got that cough out.

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So that's the first thing that I always do. And I always go ahead and check

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that if we do have a guest, that it's not just you and Doc,

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that that I got their name correct and that I got all of those spellings and

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doing all that kind of behind the scene things, because that's what I'll be

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doing even days before we go live.

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Which is I open up the program and I make sure that all of the scenes and the

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run of show, whether, like I said, whether I made it or, or was given to me

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that all the scenes are set up correctly before we go live.

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You know, I don't know if you know this, but the best part about whenever you

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explain stuff is, it goes back to your waiter sort of bartender days.

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You're like, okay, so we're going to make you an Aperol spritz and Aperol is

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an Italian bitter liquid known as a Peritivo.

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It's made with herbs and spices and fruits and roots. And then we just add a

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little sparkling water.

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Yeah, I can't turn that off. It's not a bad thing, but it's funny because it is holy.

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I remember my fine dining days, right? So it's still, I mean,

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I was like, man, he kind of reminds me of, he has a little towel and stuff. Today's specials are.

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Right, like the special of the day. Today's soup is broc de jour. Whatever, so.

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Okay, sorry. No, it's super. you do absolutely do that, which is incredible.

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And I think like it, it's nice to have a producer to handle all of those things,

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because even though Doc and I could do this show ourself,

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it like there is a lot that goes into pre planning and the planning stage of

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a show, especially if you're doing it week after week, especially if you're

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having guests coming on, And like all of those are different elements and steps.

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So knowing that Luis has like the Ecamm profile for the show,

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it's all built out, it's ready to go.

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And I know that he's double checking everything, making sure that everything

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works correctly and he's got everything all set to go.

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It means that frees Doc and I up to focusing on, you know, the content,

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what guests we want to bring on.

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And we don't have to worry about like, you know, if the scenes are all set to go,

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if names are written correctly all the all the kind of

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little details that happen behind the scenes yeah i think

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the other part of it that also is pretty cool is again when when he's doing

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the setup and he's going through the process you're covering for the guests

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some of their guest questions even before they ask them like you're really really

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good at that um so you kind of alluded to it,

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but what are some of the things that you say in order to sort of calm the guest

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nerves or to keep them comfortable? Because you say them.

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I don't know if you pay attention to you saying them, but you say them all the time.

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Well, I might not be sure exactly what you're talking about,

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but I'll give you my my view on it when it comes to the guests, too.

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I feel that once you have the run of show and you already know,

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the path, so to speak, and you know the steps of your show, that's the easiest

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way that I can convey or like give the guest that ease of mind where the same

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way that Katie was just saying,

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you know, like I don't have to worry about all the little details.

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And that's kind of like a mental stress that happens, even if you don't have

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it on like the first burner, so to speak.

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Even if you have it on that back burner, it's in the back of your mind.

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It's something that's going to take some mental energy from you,

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even if it is like, oh, I still need to do that.

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Right. Like even if you haven't thought about it, just the thought that you

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have to get to do it is kind of like just an added little stress.

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And that's what I take off from you guys on a weekly basis. Yeah.

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So that same way, being able to give the guests the run of show,

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show them that we already have everything planned out and that the only thing

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that they have to worry about is the conversation, I think is the biggest way

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that I can convey that ease or peace of mind to the guests that we have on the show.

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Yeah, you're correct, because it's sort of like a doctor with good bedside manner.

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Or I tell, you know, one of my friends used to drive Uber a lot in here in Honolulu

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because everyone just assumes everything is so expensive here,

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which it kind of sort of is.

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Whenever he would pick somebody up, he would explain the route that he's going to go.

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And just in case they had to Google Maps, if they had a different route that

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they wanted to check, because everybody thinks that the cab driver is going

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to drive them on a whirly whirl.

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So he would always tell people where you're going.

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And a lot of them were like oh you know like that settled their nerves

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right because everybody thinks that they're going to get ripped off in a tourist location

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and if more people did that it makes sense you know so i

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think in a way you're explaining like the doctor like okay we're

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going to take this we're going to give you the shot and yeah it's going to hurt for

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just a second but don't panic you know we'll give you a little spray of

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ice or something to make you go away i think that

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really does help and i see the faces because i'm

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back here with the people in the back end when you give them

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the breakdown and they kind of like okay i think i got this you

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know we got a couple of people just excited to go they're just ready

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so yeah thank you thank you for doing that

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i think it helps i do think it seems like less it it is less scary for people

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that that may not be doing this as often as we are where they step in and we're

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like this is our producer louise and louise is able to like well we're prepping

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and kind of getting ready for like our talking notes and opening everything,

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Luis is then able to say like.

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You know, Hey, welcome. Like, do I have your name spelled correctly here?

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You know, the show starts with a countdown timer. It's going to be about 20

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seconds. Like, here's what that looks like.

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And then we're going to go into Katie and Doc, and then we'll come up with you.

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Do you want to share a screen?

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Do you have anything like you go through kind of this mental checklist,

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but as you're going through it, it's helping you.

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It's helping us remember kind of the flow of the show. And it makes the guests

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comfortable in that they know what to expect, as Doc said.

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They know exactly how long the episode's going to be. They know what to expect throughout.

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And they're able to see it, to visually see it all the way through, which I think...

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Is actually like a really good step, even if you are like, regardless of what

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you're using Ecamm for, you know, we know people who do that when they're pitching

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a new client, where they're able to like actually take the client through like

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exactly what the output video will look like, because

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of how Ecamm is built with these profiles and scenes.

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So, you know, so Luis is able to just open up the flow profile.

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Click through the scenes that he's built and prepared in advance.

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And that takes the person through what the content experience is going to be

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like, and lets them ask any questions along the way.

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So that is just like, just that is worth having a producer.

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And if you don't have a producer, having that like setup and flow is how you

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produce a show correctly.

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Whether or not you bring guests on or if it's just you and a co-host,

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having that pre-built, knowing what the flow is going to be,

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knowing what the run of show is going to be, I think is really important for

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your own peace of mind, for planning, for anyone else that's joining the show,

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definitely for the viewers on the other side.

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So I think that getting into that mindset and into that process makes it much,

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much easier for us all along the way, right?

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Yeah. I really like the part when you mentioned that I ask if they're going

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to share a screen because it's also just preemptively thinking on their end,

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like, what is it that they're trying to share with us? Yeah,

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what am I talking about? Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

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One benefit that I really want to share with people, because I don't know if

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people fully understand this, and this was, I think, a change that we made, but pretty early on,

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is that the connection points on how this show works is that Luis has Ecamm

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open and has the official flow profile built out and the scenes built out and

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all the graphics and elements, etc., is all ready to go.

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And so he's recording on his computer, isolated files and the finished video production, right?

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So he's got Doc's isolated video and audio.

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He's got my isolated video and audio. And he's got the fully produced show.

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So that when we're done, at a bare minimum, he has all the files that he needs

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to be able to edit and create our finished episode.

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But because Doc and I are both joining as guests through Ecamm for Zoom,

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we're calling into Luis's Zoom and joining that way.

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We, because we also obviously have Ecamm and are using Ecamm,

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we're recording just a clean feed, clean audio and video on our end.

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And then we are able to send that to Luis at the end of every recording as an

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extra backup in case we have internet connectivity issues or in case anything goes wrong. We have...

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We're creating a ton of different video files so that we can get the best possible outcome.

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So there have been episodes where like, Doc's internet's been wonky,

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my internet's been wonky, something crazy has happened, but we know that we

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are all recording on our end.

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So we all have all of those files available to us.

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And we ask our guests to do the same for the most part.

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You know, there have been a couple of times where it hasn't been convenient

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or they don't have the resources to be able to do it.

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But we are collecting, you know, all these different video files,

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which I imagine, Luis, is like hugely important because if there's an issue

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in any of the files, you have an extra copy, you have another option to be able to edit, right?

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Absolutely and to add to it it was christina's um interview that we did a couple of weeks ago.

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Where we were having some issues and like her

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camera kept like disconnecting and she

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would have to just like wiggle the mouse to get it

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to reconnect and every time it did that it would

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shut down her zoom feed and then

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restart a new recording so when it

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came to editing that podcast that was

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like almost to the point where i had to exactly go

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back to the redundancy and get the file from

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like youtube to make sure that i had a clean

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file so that i knew where to place all of these little clips and stuff yeah

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and that's just one other good thing okay so the process that katie spoke of

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is an old school podcasting trick um you know i started video no podcasting

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back in 2009 when nobody else knew how to do this.

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What we all did, you know, twit and the Mac show, the big show,

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some of the shows that we did back in the day is we did what was known as a double ender.

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So in that case, I would open up, you know, at that time, you got your little

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microphone, you would open up quick time and you would record with quick time.

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And then, oh, yes, yes, it did. Eden, I'm reading Eden's comment.

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Video podcasting started at the same time as regular podcasting.

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Just nobody knew what to do. Only a handful of nerds were doing it the hard way.

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But yeah, it's funny because it's way hard. You think it's hard now.

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Everybody goes, oh, it's so new. I was like, no, it's not. I mean.

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We and Twit, you know, I was there on Sunday, right?

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So for the podcast that I'm on, Twit, that podcast is 20 years old.

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And we've been video since day one. It's super funny that people think video podcasting is new.

00:17:01.404 --> 00:17:05.744

And even some of the OG podcasters think video podcasting is new. I was like, no, fam.

00:17:06.064 --> 00:17:10.404

Like when Apple TV One came out, we were the top five video podcast. There's only five of us.

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So anyway, what we did was called the double ender. You would open QuickTime

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on your machine and you'd press record.

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And then you would have your audio recording, sometimes with the machine directly in,

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or we would record on the external recorder like the Zoom H4N or some sort of, you know,

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standard issue like regular recorder we

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would send the files to the last person and

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trust you me back then uploading anything over

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a gig it took two days you could not start if you did a podcast on monday you

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couldn't start editing until thursday but we did it like we did it like it was

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cool thousands of episodes deep you know so when we tell people this stuff is

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so much better today than ever before,

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like people still don't quite understand.

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And even if you're not going to do the Zoom recording or the Ecamm recording,

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you should always record a double ender.

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So that's the reason why those people who have a Rodecaster Pro or some of the

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other boards, you can record a version of the audio in the interface as well as the computer.

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So you're saving yourself from having to rerecord.

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Having to re-record an episode almost always sucks because there's gems that

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come out naturally that now end up coming out forced and it ain't the same.

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It just, it misses that certain, I just do Katie's Canadian genesis quack.

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It just takes it. It just, it's missing something.

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So I love the fact that we can, now we have Zoom is recording,

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and we're also recording our individual ecamm feeds

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and then of course youtube actually we have

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the you're right we have the extra level of zoom recording as well yeah

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and ecamm is i mean sorry and youtube is recording

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so in theory we have safety

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net on top of safety net with a side order of insurance policy and then some

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padding in the back you know like when mom used to get that report card and

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i used to put the nancy drew books in my back pocket because i knew what was

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coming and get about three whacks before she figured it out take those books out of your pocket,

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oops why are you laughing louise because you did that too because i've never

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thought of it it's such a good idea that's why i'm laughing you know i'm a genius

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bro i put the nancy drew in the back pocket and then wear the long jersey so

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she can't see dude a couple cracks you got at least a couple cracks out of there

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her arm would get tired before she figured out you didn't feel nothing.

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I like that. Intangency plans are hugely, hugely important.

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And I think it, again, I think this goes back to the idea of having a producer.

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So because Doc and I are both just joining as Zoom guests, we have Luis who's

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controlling all of the process and all of the saving of the files.

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So Luis is able to remind us, like, have we turned on to record on our end?

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We now jokingly do our swearing in at the beginning so that Luis knows exactly

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where in the video to start looking, to start the editing process and is able

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to cut out everything before that.

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So there's things that we probably wouldn't think of on our own because we're

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focused on the content itself.

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And even though we know how to switch scenes and switch cameras and do the kind

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of the basics, we might not be thinking of, you know, of some of these important

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background steps that matter to getting the final result that we're looking for.

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I just want to answer this real quick. I'm over here typing and I can just say it.

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Kiesa said, is a roadcaster pro required for video podcasting?

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Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, I would suggest that most people that don't

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know what you're doing, stay the heck away from it.

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You can record a video podcast with an iPhone you can record a video podcast

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with that old camcorder that you have from 1972 that came in three pieces with

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the VHS tape you can still record a video podcast with that.

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Yep roadcaster pro is an audio interface so yeah

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at all right now i just have my mic plugged in

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by the short mic plugged into you when i'm and with

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what we're talking about today if you're talking about a remote.

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Producer then even less because i'm the

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one who has to worry about all of that interface and stuff

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that's why i get hired so that all you

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have to do with the power of ecamm is connect with a

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good enough microphone like i think it's the

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mv6 right just a short usb microphone

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that just one cable to your computer and

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with some headphones and you have everything that you need including

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your camera to record your video podcast yeah and

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again this is where it comes in handy like katie

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said when you have a remote producer helping you it

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allows you to just focus on talking to camera

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like you don't really have to do anything else that's all being

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handled by your remote producer and i

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think the other thing that people forget like you know

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once we start getting into this podcasting thing we kind of

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become addicted we're like that person

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that went see i'm gonna say something crazy and all you

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know better know better but i didn't know better till last year okay

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um everybody has been to disneyland telling everybody why they go to disneyland

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and i'm like whatever man i'd rather spend that money to go to the philippines

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i could live an entire month off of what we spend on Disneyland and day in the

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Philippines blah blah blah blah blah get to go to the first Disneyland and then

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turn around the corner I see the Millennial Falcon and my face was like.

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So once you start podcasting you like those irritated pukes who went to Disneyland

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and be telling everybody why they got to go to Disneyland,

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you can help them because you can actually remote produce their first two or

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three episodes for them because it's a very simple process I mean you got to know if Luis can do it.

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I'll take that one That's a really wonderful That's a really wonderful example

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For a couple of reasons Because we didn't just go to Disney World Not land People

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are judging you no doubt That's right, LA What the heck do I know?

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I live in Hawaii Leave me alone But what

00:23:21.302 --> 00:23:27.522

is great about your example Is that like If we had just decided We're just going

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to go to Disney World You and I would have completely screwed that experience

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up Because neither you or I are Disney people And so we would have bought tickets

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and we would have shown up and we would have been there at the wrong time.

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We wouldn't have known where to go.

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We wouldn't have made reservations for lunch or dinner.

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We would not have any idea. But instead, we found the best Disney people who

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know all the stuff and we went to Disney World with them, right?

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And so they were like, they had the apps on their phones, they had the maps,

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they knew all the history of everything. So our experience was phenomenal and

00:24:01.622 --> 00:24:05.282

we left Disney World feeling incredible and telling everyone how cool it was

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because we have this really like customized experience.

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It's actually exactly the same with having a podcast producer.

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Like, can we make a podcast by ourselves?

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Yes. Would we screw up a whole lot of stuff and would it be way harder in the

00:24:19.002 --> 00:24:20.082

process of getting started?

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Absolutely. Because we would just be excited about doing it like we were about

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going to Disney without knowing all of the things you need to know because there's

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a level of experience that goes into it.

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So having someone like Luis or having a podcast producer is the same as going

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to Disney World with Disney people that can tell you where to go,

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where not to go, when you need reservations,

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what you're about to screw up on so that the final experience just feels smooth

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and awesome. Yeah, you're right.

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I do. It's a great example, Doc. Even a deeper level than you thought. Yeah, no, I didn't.

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And so, first of all, big ups to Kelly and Paul, and then Lou,

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and then Jeff, and then Joe.

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We had like the Disney elites with us, so we went everywhere.

00:25:01.212 --> 00:25:04.752

And, you know, not to sidetrack this podcast, I wish you guys could have seen

00:25:04.752 --> 00:25:08.432

Luis's face when he came off the Star Wars ride.

00:25:09.312 --> 00:25:13.812

Oh, my God. You ever seen like a grown man revert back to eight?

00:25:14.592 --> 00:25:17.592

That was Luis's face. oh my god did

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you see the signs that i think he was talking to me and then don't finish

00:25:20.272 --> 00:25:23.112

shook my head oh yeah like yo it was it was the

00:25:23.112 --> 00:25:26.072

best it was the absolute best uh we

00:25:26.072 --> 00:25:29.372

got an excellent comment uh from intangible production ecans

00:25:29.372 --> 00:25:32.332

were great for remote guests i use their produce and live a

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town hall live for a company every quarter and

00:25:35.652 --> 00:25:38.572

had the ceo live in their hq but the employees from all

00:25:38.572 --> 00:25:41.412

over the country joining as virtual guests wow thank you

00:25:41.412 --> 00:25:44.172

for that i really appreciate that and we do a

00:25:44.172 --> 00:25:47.072

similar thing if you haven't seen it yet in tangible productions where

00:25:47.072 --> 00:25:50.132

we have ken and glenn who are our co-founders and developers

00:25:50.132 --> 00:25:52.892

and bosses and everything and they come

00:25:52.892 --> 00:25:55.612

on and they answer questions about ecamm and we try to

00:25:55.612 --> 00:25:59.532

do it once a month but sometimes you know things get busy or we're at shows

00:25:59.532 --> 00:26:04.032

because like this go around we're going to be at a show um but yeah whenever

00:26:04.032 --> 00:26:07.732

you see the email so make sure you join the email list we'll see you like it

00:26:07.732 --> 00:26:12.032

comes ken and glenn for the live q a it's a lot of fun and uh it's good it's

00:26:12.032 --> 00:26:14.272

a good time all around. So thank you for that comment. That's amazing.

00:26:15.273 --> 00:26:18.373

Yeah, it's also a good reminder that like, so right, obviously,

00:26:18.433 --> 00:26:21.413

right now we're talking specifically about podcasting or shows.

00:26:21.573 --> 00:26:25.413

But you know, certainly this process works in a number of different ways,

00:26:25.573 --> 00:26:27.513

especially in Ecamm, right?

00:26:27.653 --> 00:26:32.733

Like I we have, we have customers who are using it to just open up their like

00:26:32.733 --> 00:26:38.353

their remote interviewing feature, whether it's interview mode or Ecamm for

00:26:38.353 --> 00:26:41.893

Zoom, and they let people just jump on and they do like recording.

00:26:42.093 --> 00:26:45.553

So similar to how Luis pops behind the scenes while Doc and I are doing our

00:26:45.553 --> 00:26:51.213

show, you could open up an e-cam for Zoom call and pop behind the scenes and

00:26:51.213 --> 00:26:55.573

let, you know, a coworker or a partner or whoever record their video.

00:26:55.693 --> 00:26:59.653

And you could produce it by putting on logos or switching between a couple different

00:26:59.653 --> 00:27:05.093

camera options or recording or playing like screen sharing or playing recorded videos.

00:27:05.093 --> 00:27:11.633

And you could produce a fully like beautiful produced file for them as a remote producer.

00:27:11.633 --> 00:27:17.573

So this concept of I'm the one pushing the buttons and building out the run

00:27:17.573 --> 00:27:22.133

of show and kind of holding all of the files and holding all of the features

00:27:22.133 --> 00:27:25.393

and tools is not necessarily specific to podcasting.

00:27:25.493 --> 00:27:28.413

It's certainly something that you could do across the board or hire someone

00:27:28.413 --> 00:27:29.493

to do across the board for you.

00:27:29.653 --> 00:27:34.493

So it's just, again, kind of the mindset of, and I love that Luis kicked us

00:27:34.493 --> 00:27:39.753

off with this, like really thinking through how do you want the video to look

00:27:39.753 --> 00:27:43.633

when it's done? whether that, you know, so what is the run of show?

00:27:43.953 --> 00:27:48.053

What are those different scenes that let you build out your podcast,

00:27:48.353 --> 00:27:52.013

your presentation, your video recording, your reel, whatever it is,

00:27:52.093 --> 00:27:56.393

and however long or short it is, it's still, if you can think through it in advance.

00:27:57.153 --> 00:27:59.873

Then, you know, then the rest of the process is just a rinse and repeat,

00:28:00.013 --> 00:28:02.033

which is great. We got a great question from Chris.

00:28:02.973 --> 00:28:05.853

Cast ahead, Chris Stone says, first of all, hi, Chris.

00:28:06.193 --> 00:28:12.373

Chris, came on my show this weekend and he blew my mind. I got things to show you when we're in Boise.

00:28:13.833 --> 00:28:17.133

He said, Luis, do you bring Katie and Doc on,

00:28:17.848 --> 00:28:21.348

as zoom directly or via ecamm for

00:28:21.348 --> 00:28:24.108

zoom i'm assuming you say interview mode in zoom but

00:28:24.108 --> 00:28:26.928

it's ecamm for zoom and what are the advantages or

00:28:26.928 --> 00:28:29.728

disadvantages chris i'm adjusting your question double check me if

00:28:29.728 --> 00:28:32.708

i said that wrong um but we we don't call

00:28:32.708 --> 00:28:36.048

it interview mode in zoom we call it ecamm for zoom and i think that's what

00:28:36.048 --> 00:28:40.088

you meant uh what are the advantage or disadvantages uh for you both you want

00:28:40.088 --> 00:28:45.068

to start and then kitty and i can add yeah what do you think well one of the

00:28:45.068 --> 00:28:49.788

things that I noticed when we actually made the full conversion from interview

00:28:49.788 --> 00:28:52.168

mode, because that's how we started the podcast.

00:28:52.668 --> 00:28:58.448

And then once the ecamm for zoom was integrated, we're now completely on ecamm

00:28:58.448 --> 00:29:04.468

for zoom because they just have a better system to host the files and the videos

00:29:04.468 --> 00:29:07.708

that actually just convey the highest quality.

00:29:07.768 --> 00:29:10.788

And that's something that was just working better.

00:29:11.008 --> 00:29:17.428

So with the Ecamm fam, like the way that we do things here, we always want to provide the best.

00:29:17.448 --> 00:29:22.068

So we recognize that our Zoom was the best feature.

00:29:22.128 --> 00:29:27.488

So we completely converted to that. And then it adds a bunch of bonus features

00:29:27.488 --> 00:29:32.708

like the recording into Zoom, right, as another redundancy, as a backup.

00:29:33.028 --> 00:29:36.008

And I just right off the bat, I noticed

00:29:36.008 --> 00:29:41.588

a better connection with our live production just right off the bat.

00:29:41.808 --> 00:29:46.108

So that was the biggest thing that I recognized from the difference between

00:29:46.108 --> 00:29:48.028

the interview mode and Ecamm for Zoom.

00:29:48.828 --> 00:29:51.108

I'll tell you what mine are, Chris.

00:29:53.328 --> 00:30:01.268

Zoom. Everybody, including their mother, Maestro, Gizmo, Zilla,

00:30:01.708 --> 00:30:05.348

cats, dogs, your stupid brother-in-law.

00:30:05.648 --> 00:30:07.368

Children. They all know how to use Zoom.

00:30:07.688 --> 00:30:12.748

There's a level of comfort that just changes their initial reaction when they

00:30:12.748 --> 00:30:14.148

start with the Zoom link.

00:30:14.248 --> 00:30:17.028

When they open the Chrome interface, it wasn't difficult at all.

00:30:17.268 --> 00:30:19.608

I mean, really, it's the same thing.

00:30:19.868 --> 00:30:23.348

But familiarity is a superpower.

00:30:23.868 --> 00:30:27.608

Everybody knows how to use Zoom. So that's the first thing. The second thing,

00:30:27.828 --> 00:30:33.128

in the little Chrome window, like for me on a guest, you and I have been on

00:30:33.128 --> 00:30:36.528

shows where we're a panel and there's like six or seven of us on, right?

00:30:36.528 --> 00:30:40.488

In the little Chrome window, it's just it's a different thing on Zoom.

00:30:40.808 --> 00:30:48.248

I have Luis and Katie on a 32 inch monitor, all of that humongous Puerto Rican head dead center.

00:30:48.788 --> 00:30:51.688

Like it's just I can see it on people. Right.

00:30:51.808 --> 00:30:56.508

And then on my teleprompter, I have it rotating between Luis talking and Katie

00:30:56.508 --> 00:30:58.788

talking. So I'm looking at the person who's talking.

00:30:59.568 --> 00:31:04.348

And I think the other thing for Zoom now, this is going to be crazy for those

00:31:04.348 --> 00:31:06.508

people who like Katie are doing today.

00:31:06.528 --> 00:31:12.028

Where you're just using an MV7 or some sort of USB microphone.

00:31:12.906 --> 00:31:19.446

We handle all of the switch witchery in the background for all your audio stuff.

00:31:19.746 --> 00:31:25.766

It is so well simplified because Andy's team over at Zoom and Ken and Glenn

00:31:25.766 --> 00:31:28.786

talked for like a month and a half solid.

00:31:29.006 --> 00:31:32.526

Like, how can we eliminate the majority of the audio problems that people have?

00:31:32.886 --> 00:31:38.146

When we were doing it the Chrome way, you can mute a site. You can mute a browser tab.

00:31:38.286 --> 00:31:43.286

You could have another tab feeding into that tab. You could have people who

00:31:43.286 --> 00:31:49.246

have their speakers on that are blasting the Zoom ability to ignore speakers is better.

00:31:49.846 --> 00:31:53.866

We got musician mode and all those things built in. And while those Zoom can

00:31:53.866 --> 00:31:59.426

have some complicated audio portions, for the most part, it's normally 90% done

00:31:59.426 --> 00:32:02.286

as long as the users aren't trying to do something crazy.

00:32:02.966 --> 00:32:06.706

Now, the minute you inject the RODECaster Pro into the situation,

00:32:06.986 --> 00:32:10.566

now it's up to you, RODECaster Pro owner, to know how to use that thing.

00:32:10.726 --> 00:32:12.866

If you don't, yeah, you can make it complicated.

00:32:13.066 --> 00:32:18.226

But luckily, we have Daniel and Alec, Neil, who've been teaching people how

00:32:18.226 --> 00:32:19.326

to get to speed real quick.

00:32:19.466 --> 00:32:22.066

It's not difficult. It's a matter of adjusting a few buttons.

00:32:22.506 --> 00:32:27.866

So, for instance, not to make this too complicated, what I do is I have my mic

00:32:27.866 --> 00:32:29.686

on and it's feeding into Zoom.

00:32:29.686 --> 00:32:32.746

And then I have the the chat channel which

00:32:32.746 --> 00:32:36.006

is hearing Katie and Luis but I have

00:32:36.006 --> 00:32:38.866

everything else muted and I don't have the chat

00:32:38.866 --> 00:32:41.806

channel with the ability to broadcast back out so that

00:32:41.806 --> 00:32:46.126

they don't double back out so I have the chat channel muted but I have the listen

00:32:46.126 --> 00:32:49.866

button on the RODECaster Pro that's the green one so the red is to mute it the

00:32:49.866 --> 00:32:53.646

green one lets it come in my headphones so only my headphones can hear them

00:32:53.646 --> 00:32:57.706

it will never go out to the broadcast that's a simple thing to do,

00:32:57.866 --> 00:32:59.726

but you know, that that's it for me.

00:32:59.826 --> 00:33:06.826

So I just think the familiarity just makes the situation so much better. And yeah, there's that.

00:33:08.252 --> 00:33:13.432

Yeah, the only, I would say the only limitation, and I think this is something

00:33:13.432 --> 00:33:17.832

we'll probably update anyway in Ecamm, is that in the Ecamm interview mode,

00:33:17.912 --> 00:33:20.732

which isn't going away, by the way, like you can, you could use both,

00:33:20.852 --> 00:33:22.072

you can switch back and forth between them.

00:33:22.172 --> 00:33:26.372

There's not, you know, you have the ability to do whatever works best for you in the moment.

00:33:27.432 --> 00:33:32.072

But Ecamm interview mode has the ability to have a back channel communication.

00:33:32.432 --> 00:33:36.612

So like during our, you know, intro scene where we have music playing,

00:33:36.792 --> 00:33:40.772

we used to be able to talk back and forth to each other during that time period.

00:33:40.872 --> 00:33:44.172

And no one watching on the other side would hear that.

00:33:44.312 --> 00:33:48.032

Whereas in Zoom, we're automatically all muted. We can type back and forth to

00:33:48.032 --> 00:33:51.252

each other in the Zoom chat, but we can't actually talk.

00:33:51.392 --> 00:33:55.132

But that's such a small thing compared to the amount of benefits.

00:33:55.352 --> 00:33:58.112

And I think the biggest benefit for me as a.

00:34:00.472 --> 00:34:06.272

More muggly, more plebeian person than Doc and Louise... I use both of those words, Katie.

00:34:06.472 --> 00:34:09.172

You've been hanging out with me way too much. Nice. I know.

00:34:09.532 --> 00:34:12.612

I'm an English major. I'm an English major. I've got some words. I love muggles.

00:34:14.012 --> 00:34:22.572

But what I do really like about it is that because you are not on a web browser,

00:34:23.132 --> 00:34:26.872

you're losing a lot of the latency.

00:34:28.012 --> 00:34:31.992

You're increasing the quality of it. So it's less scary for people.

00:34:31.992 --> 00:34:35.692

I feel like when they joined through Ecamm interview mode, the thing that we

00:34:35.692 --> 00:34:41.852

had to face often for people who don't do this a lot is the preview feed that

00:34:41.852 --> 00:34:45.432

they were seeing of the show was not the highest quality because Ecamm is sending

00:34:45.432 --> 00:34:48.392

the highest quality out to YouTube or to the recording or wherever else.

00:34:48.552 --> 00:34:52.712

And so it was a constant like, oh, like, is that like, you know,

00:34:52.832 --> 00:34:56.072

is that what the broadcast looks like? Or like, I'm seeing a delay.

00:34:56.272 --> 00:35:00.052

Like, there was kind of a lot of fear over, oh, is this the quality that I'm

00:35:00.052 --> 00:35:03.852

giving you as a guest? and it wasn't, but it's difficult to kind of get out

00:35:03.852 --> 00:35:06.892

of people's head that way. Whereas in Zoom, what you see is what you get.

00:35:07.112 --> 00:35:09.592

So I'm looking at, you know, I'm looking at my video quality.

00:35:09.812 --> 00:35:10.932

It looks great. It's crystal clear.

00:35:11.052 --> 00:35:14.072

I can see what, I can also see what Doc's video quality looks like.

00:35:14.192 --> 00:35:16.252

And then I can see what the finished production looks like.

00:35:16.452 --> 00:35:21.792

And so it's, I think, easier for me in a closed environment to just be able

00:35:21.792 --> 00:35:25.692

to understand how this is being produced versus as Doc was saying.

00:35:26.412 --> 00:35:29.692

In a web browser, you know, you have like a little video version

00:35:29.692 --> 00:35:32.492

of like what you look like and then you have a slightly bigger but still

00:35:32.492 --> 00:35:36.952

pretty small of the feed and all of it are like preview feeds so the quality

00:35:36.952 --> 00:35:41.172

is much lower than what zoom is showing you so yeah i think familiarity is one

00:35:41.172 --> 00:35:45.472

of it and then the other is just a quality control i think just people understand

00:35:45.472 --> 00:35:50.192

what's being created and what's being shown and you feel more comfortable with it.

00:35:50.635 --> 00:35:54.315

Um, and it lets them, you know, there are some people who might not be Ecamm

00:35:54.315 --> 00:35:58.135

people that are joining as guests and they can use features that they really like, like,

00:35:58.295 --> 00:36:01.855

you know, any of the touch-up features or some of the things that exist within

00:36:01.855 --> 00:36:06.215

Zoom that, you know, maybe us, us people don't necessarily use often,

00:36:06.215 --> 00:36:07.755

but some people might really enjoy.

00:36:07.995 --> 00:36:09.235

So there's, there's some options

00:36:09.235 --> 00:36:11.955

and features that exist within Zoom that are not in Ecamm natively.

00:36:12.155 --> 00:36:15.075

Yeah. Now here's another thing, uh, this is not to get too technical,

00:36:15.095 --> 00:36:17.875

but just to give you some understanding of why zoom is super dope as

00:36:17.875 --> 00:36:20.775

well zoom like the chrome browser does

00:36:20.775 --> 00:36:23.555

use http aka standard web connection to

00:36:23.555 --> 00:36:26.575

make the initial handshake and then it switches over

00:36:26.575 --> 00:36:30.455

to something that's called tls which is a transition layer is basically for

00:36:30.455 --> 00:36:35.855

security and then in order to get your video to look so much better than pretty

00:36:35.855 --> 00:36:40.195

much any other protocol it uses the same thing as your routers do in the house

00:36:40.195 --> 00:36:45.975

or your blink cameras or your what do you call the other one um ring doorbells That's a UDP and TCP.

00:36:46.295 --> 00:36:50.055

It kind of switches back and forth. UDP is the master. TCP is a failover just

00:36:50.055 --> 00:36:51.095

in case something goes wrong.

00:36:51.355 --> 00:36:56.635

And the last thing that Zoom does really well that the browsers don't do is

00:36:56.635 --> 00:37:01.135

they also use what's known as an NTP connection, which allows them to sync all

00:37:01.135 --> 00:37:02.295

of the signals together.

00:37:02.335 --> 00:37:06.295

So Zoom may lose sync for a second. NTP network time protocol.

00:37:06.615 --> 00:37:10.275

It goes, hey, you're supposed to be here. And it tells the other computer and

00:37:10.275 --> 00:37:11.355

then they'll come back together.

00:37:11.835 --> 00:37:15.715

When Chrome disconnects sync, Chrome is like, whatever, man,

00:37:15.835 --> 00:37:18.735

not my problem. He's just like your brother-in-law. Chrome can be ignorant.

00:37:18.995 --> 00:37:22.795

It comes to that kind of stuff. Like, sorry, brother-in-law, you're an idiot.

00:37:23.595 --> 00:37:27.575

But it's just, I mean, in the nerdery of it all that you don't need to know

00:37:27.575 --> 00:37:32.875

is that Zoom handles the things that you don't have to worry about,

00:37:33.075 --> 00:37:34.615

whereas the other ones don't.

00:37:34.755 --> 00:37:37.995

And in the business, they have the best video compression on the game.

00:37:38.575 --> 00:37:42.335

Because sometimes I'll look at a file and then it'll say it was shot at 540,

00:37:42.455 --> 00:37:43.315

but it still looks clear.

00:37:43.495 --> 00:37:46.675

So I think too many people trip out over it. I need 1080, whatever.

00:37:46.875 --> 00:37:49.855

I was like, let Zoom do what they do. Leave them alone.

00:37:50.600 --> 00:37:55.520

It comes down to like, Ecamm was made for video. Zoom was made for video.

00:37:56.200 --> 00:37:59.740

Chrome and Safari and all the internet browsers are not. That's not their main

00:37:59.740 --> 00:38:01.960

purpose, right? So like, they can do it. Great. Yeah.

00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.920

But their focus is on other things. So you're going to get a better experience

00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:07.740

all the way across the board.

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:11.980

And again, it's not to say like, I use Ecamm interview mode in lots of instances.

00:38:12.060 --> 00:38:15.480

It's just, you know, it seems easier for regular shows that we're doing.

00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.080

It's really weird because I was kicking and screaming.

00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:24.160

I'll never use an interview mode anymore. I only want to do it in Zoom,

00:38:24.240 --> 00:38:27.380

which is funny because I was the anti-Zoom person at one point.

00:38:27.580 --> 00:38:33.660

And it was mostly because people just would love to play with those dang backgrounds

00:38:33.660 --> 00:38:36.720

and all of that weird crap. And I was like, bro, please stop.

00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:40.760

Please just leave your camera on, clean your room, tell your kids to sit down.

00:38:41.040 --> 00:38:44.720

Like, what's wrong with telling kids to sit down? We used to get told to sit down and we didn't move.

00:38:45.180 --> 00:38:49.240

Like we didn't we i was scared to let my heart beat because it might look like

00:38:49.240 --> 00:38:55.420

i was moving and the kids be like mom i need to do it's like oh jesus anyway let me stop so uh louise.

00:38:57.240 --> 00:39:00.760

Do you want to open up and show millenote yeah yeah yeah let's talk about that

00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.840

let's swing over to where's my mouse it's like right about now i feel like someone

00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:10.460

asked us about that on a previous episode so millenote is this is like in the

00:39:10.460 --> 00:39:12.540

planning phase so we were talking about um.

00:39:13.660 --> 00:39:16.720

About how important the planning part of all of it is.

00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.560

So we just talked about the actual production and how we use eCAM for Zoom.

00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.100

But for planning, this is how we like asynchronously are able to plan out our

00:39:24.100 --> 00:39:26.840

content and let Luis know like what we're thinking.

00:39:27.120 --> 00:39:30.480

And then typically, other than this episode, because we know this stuff so intimately,

00:39:30.740 --> 00:39:34.160

but typically this is what we have open, all of us, the three of us in the background,

00:39:34.160 --> 00:39:37.820

as we're working through the episode, because this is where we can get things

00:39:37.820 --> 00:39:40.160

like, actually four of us, because Paul has this as well.

00:39:40.660 --> 00:39:43.620

But this is where like all of the links are housed. This is where,

00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:48.380

you know, we're looking at the outline, what, you know, what all the information

00:39:48.380 --> 00:39:53.120

for the episode is, who the sponsor is, what the sponsor links are, all of that.

00:39:53.220 --> 00:39:56.820

And this is like an awesome tool. Doc, how did you find Milanote?

00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.760

Let's see. I was looking at, you know me, I creep on everybody's channels because

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.760

I'm always trying to learn how to do stuff.

00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.640

And one of my favorite creators was like, I'm moving from doing all of my planning

00:40:08.640 --> 00:40:13.140

in Notion to doing it in Milanote just because it had a little bit more of a

00:40:13.140 --> 00:40:18.160

visual situation and you can slide things around. Whereas Notion is very vertical.

00:40:18.380 --> 00:40:20.820

Everything has to be down a straight line, which is cool.

00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.940

But I like the idea that I can just move these boxes and move them around.

00:40:25.140 --> 00:40:28.100

And Luis, I won't be mad at you if you grabbed the box that said next steps

00:40:28.100 --> 00:40:30.660

and moved it to relevant links because you could always put it back.

00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.040

So just grab it by the top.

00:40:33.801 --> 00:40:36.661

Pick anyone just grab any one of those boxes from the very top

00:40:36.661 --> 00:40:39.901

there you go yeah and then you can move it to wherever you want and

00:40:39.901 --> 00:40:42.721

then you know that just made it for people that

00:40:42.721 --> 00:40:45.381

are used to like doing it on the scratch paper it had more of

00:40:45.381 --> 00:40:48.981

a scratch paper vibe and you can sort of move things around and you know you

00:40:48.981 --> 00:40:52.981

can readjust it later they got tons and tons and tons of templates in there

00:40:52.981 --> 00:40:56.801

for you to look at things and try things so even when we're building out a show

00:40:56.801 --> 00:41:03.181

like i'm I'm building out like what it feels like 25 shows right now for not

00:41:03.181 --> 00:41:05.001

just podcasts, but for YouTube videos.

00:41:05.101 --> 00:41:09.421

I use it for YouTube research. I use it for when we're planning to go to like

00:41:09.421 --> 00:41:12.881

crafting commerce or card party or some of the other events that we're doing.

00:41:13.261 --> 00:41:17.001

It's really, really good. I just like the ability that you can move things wherever

00:41:17.001 --> 00:41:20.001

notion still has its things that I love,

00:41:20.021 --> 00:41:25.921

but for just like busting out a map, like in the spy movie, when they're about

00:41:25.921 --> 00:41:29.301

to get into the bank, like Italian job and then they spread it on the table

00:41:29.301 --> 00:41:32.841

and they bring out the little cars and Lego chips and a piece of hot sauce or whatever.

00:41:33.161 --> 00:41:38.221

It feels like that. Like I can just, I can just think, think and move. So I like it.

00:41:39.358 --> 00:41:43.478

I think this comment from Eden is great. So Eden says, that's my issue with

00:41:43.478 --> 00:41:46.778

Notion. It feels so rigid sometimes. My brain doesn't work that way.

00:41:47.158 --> 00:41:53.978

Exactly. So please do not just immediately click Doc's link and go and buy Milanote. Sorry, Doc.

00:41:54.218 --> 00:42:01.678

Please think through what works best for your brain that will help you to plan

00:42:01.678 --> 00:42:04.078

and coordinate and collaborate with people, right?

00:42:04.158 --> 00:42:07.398

So this works well for our team because we're able to, like,

00:42:07.498 --> 00:42:08.478

we're not that big of a team.

00:42:08.658 --> 00:42:12.978

We need something that's like easy for us all to see and access easy for us

00:42:12.978 --> 00:42:16.438

to have open while we're recording and like, let's just drag and drop things

00:42:16.438 --> 00:42:20.378

in and is really visual, right? Like, so it's easy for us to move things around.

00:42:20.658 --> 00:42:24.558

That may not work really well for your, yeah, exactly. Right.

00:42:24.618 --> 00:42:27.998

Like that may not work well for, for someone else's team. Maybe notion works better.

00:42:28.298 --> 00:42:33.418

Maybe just building out the scenes in Ecamm is a trigger enough for what the episode is.

00:42:33.538 --> 00:42:38.618

Maybe it's just you and someone else and you're both producers on it,

00:42:38.678 --> 00:42:39.818

so you don't need that stuff.

00:42:39.998 --> 00:42:46.838

I know that Jeff C., who does social media news live every week,

00:42:46.978 --> 00:42:49.678

they use a Google Doc that they have everything outlined in,

00:42:49.758 --> 00:42:51.218

and that works really well for their brain.

00:42:51.398 --> 00:42:56.898

So I think it's great to just sort of see that there's a bunch of different options,

00:42:56.898 --> 00:42:59.818

but having a really solid plan and being able to communicate

00:42:59.818 --> 00:43:02.438

it so everyone on the team knows is what's going

00:43:02.438 --> 00:43:05.818

to be helpful when you're when you have many different people that

00:43:05.818 --> 00:43:10.538

are collaborating right like luis needs to know like all this stuff in advance

00:43:10.538 --> 00:43:13.018

so that he can build out the scenes and make sure that we don't have the wrong

00:43:13.018 --> 00:43:16.998

sponsor in there he knows what the guest's name is how to spell it like what

00:43:16.998 --> 00:43:21.438

we're going to be talking about that also helps him to flag like hey this episode

00:43:21.438 --> 00:43:25.638

might be way too long katie you put in 9 000 pages of notes or like, hey,

00:43:26.158 --> 00:43:33.678

we don't have links for Paul or hey, we're missing an about us, about the guest.

00:43:33.678 --> 00:43:36.418

We might not be able to... We want to say that at the beginning of the episode.

00:43:37.349 --> 00:43:41.889

It allows us to kind of have some talking points and to know where we're all at. Yeah.

00:43:42.609 --> 00:43:46.249

Luis, what do you think? I was just going to, I'm glad that you mentioned it

00:43:46.249 --> 00:43:49.189

because you know, in today's episode, because it's us three,

00:43:49.349 --> 00:43:54.429

there's really not much on Melanote to show, but it's usually mostly like when we have a guest,

00:43:54.629 --> 00:43:58.929

like their bio information and all the things that we need to share between

00:43:58.929 --> 00:44:02.189

each other that we could always easily find here on Melanote.

00:44:02.369 --> 00:44:05.929

But to answer Eden Lou, right. If, you know,

00:44:06.669 --> 00:44:11.489

Notion doesn't work for her, she should also check out MindNode because that's

00:44:11.489 --> 00:44:15.929

also another one where it allows you to kind of like plan or just kind of get

00:44:15.929 --> 00:44:19.829

your ideas out and they work in a bubble form. So that was pretty cool.

00:44:20.949 --> 00:44:25.589

Yeah, I think James, too. I think I remember learning it first from Jared and,

00:44:25.629 --> 00:44:28.389

you know, he went to Jared. From there you go.

00:44:29.329 --> 00:44:32.969

MindNode is a mind mapping guy, which is cool. There's tons of mind mapping ones out there.

00:44:33.069 --> 00:44:36.189

It was really cool. You can actually tell ChatGPT to make you a mind map,

00:44:36.329 --> 00:44:37.529

too, if your brain can do that.

00:44:38.729 --> 00:44:41.889

Nobody mind maps better than George.

00:44:42.209 --> 00:44:47.529

I mean, not George. Jeff. Jeff is one of our Ecamm fam. That dude makes mind

00:44:47.529 --> 00:44:50.109

maps that will melt your brain, bro. They're incredible.

00:44:50.769 --> 00:44:55.349

He made a whole mind map of Ecamm and Ecamm process, and we all just sat there

00:44:55.349 --> 00:44:56.449

just looking at a screen going.

00:44:58.589 --> 00:45:01.889

Like, I know how to use Ecamm, and it broke my face. All right,

00:45:01.969 --> 00:45:04.869

let's talk about some of the other supporting cast like Speedify,

00:45:05.209 --> 00:45:06.729

Stream Deck, whatever else.

00:45:06.849 --> 00:45:11.089

What else you got cooking in your tech stack, as the nerds like to call it?

00:45:11.249 --> 00:45:13.309

Oh, when it comes to the tech stuff.

00:45:13.529 --> 00:45:17.949

Oh, absolutely. My companion with me always is my Stream Deck.

00:45:18.729 --> 00:45:23.369

It's not only for all of my production, but also for my editing.

00:45:23.709 --> 00:45:29.789

So when I jump into Final Cut Pro, it converts itself into my assistant for my editing.

00:45:29.789 --> 00:45:33.369

But with Ecamm and the Stream Deck,

00:45:33.609 --> 00:45:38.229

you have a variety of different options that are built in right into their into

00:45:38.229 --> 00:45:43.069

the system where you can just download the profile and you have pretty much

00:45:43.069 --> 00:45:48.249

the entire plethora of controls for Ecamm just on your Stream Deck.

00:45:48.249 --> 00:45:55.409

So whether it's changing scenes or or specifically putting a button for every single scene.

00:45:55.409 --> 00:46:00.249

So in case you're just jumping around between scenes, you can have a visual,

00:46:01.029 --> 00:46:04.169

picture of what scene it is that you're going to press.

00:46:05.129 --> 00:46:12.129

You can bring up graphics, turn down graphics, just the full like the full suite

00:46:12.129 --> 00:46:18.949

of what you can do with Ecamm. you would be able to put it onto a button onto your stream deck.

00:46:19.149 --> 00:46:23.749

So that to me is like the best thing, whether it's for my remote productions

00:46:23.749 --> 00:46:28.029

or my solo productions, the stream deck is probably like my favorite thing.

00:46:29.382 --> 00:46:32.142

That's super cool yeah they just came out with two new

00:46:32.142 --> 00:46:35.602

models um one of them is

00:46:35.602 --> 00:46:38.322

the pro which is probably above and beyond what most people are

00:46:38.322 --> 00:46:41.782

going to do also a thousand bucks so you guys are cheap um

00:46:41.782 --> 00:46:45.622

you don't need the pro the i do the second

00:46:45.622 --> 00:46:48.662

one and so does paul oh paul with paul

00:46:48.662 --> 00:46:51.482

needs maybe paul got like 50 paul got 50

00:46:51.482 --> 00:46:54.282

11 stream decks on his desk my show is like dude get this crap

00:46:54.282 --> 00:46:57.242

off of my spot i need to lay down over here you know

00:46:57.242 --> 00:47:00.062

so um there's the new uh stream deck

00:47:00.062 --> 00:47:03.062

modules which we saw in a b which are fired

00:47:03.062 --> 00:47:08.062

they're literally just like little circuit boards like this and then you can

00:47:08.062 --> 00:47:12.642

put it in whatever so people like louise and i who know how to 3d print a 3d

00:47:12.642 --> 00:47:19.122

v60 coffee filter holder you can print your own custom like captain kirk type

00:47:19.122 --> 00:47:20.962

joints so you You can have them wherever.

00:47:21.462 --> 00:47:24.942

Like I can hang one right underneath my Elgato teleprompter there.

00:47:25.262 --> 00:47:28.242

And yeah, there you go. That's Luis's custom mount for the stream deck.

00:47:29.382 --> 00:47:32.482

Then the last one they just came out with, which Torres mentioned,

00:47:32.822 --> 00:47:35.842

is there is a new joint called virtual stream decks.

00:47:36.242 --> 00:47:41.322

And then so you can have them just like hovering all up in your screen, round by anywhere.

00:47:41.642 --> 00:47:44.322

And you can put them in applications.

00:47:44.882 --> 00:47:49.362

So like if you're a Final Cut cat and you got these five or six tools,

00:47:49.502 --> 00:47:52.002

right? I know most of you guys are Final Cut noobs.

00:47:52.242 --> 00:47:56.622

You can put the five or six things that you use and have it just right there in the app.

00:47:56.702 --> 00:48:02.382

So you can just cut, trim, trim, turn the volume up, turn the volume down type situation.

00:48:02.642 --> 00:48:05.822

So very, very handy. Go and check these things out.

00:48:05.982 --> 00:48:09.022

But thank you, Elgato, because they take good care of us. Yo,

00:48:09.262 --> 00:48:13.722

listen, Stream Deck is life, bro. When I have to use a computer without a Stream Deck, I'd be mad.

00:48:14.582 --> 00:48:20.042

I'd be mad. I'd be reaching for stuff that ain't there. Like I have legit hit

00:48:20.042 --> 00:48:24.662

the table in the hotel trying to reach for a button on the stream deck and it

00:48:24.662 --> 00:48:26.202

ain't there. It's like, what the hell?

00:48:26.922 --> 00:48:31.282

So just like Doc was saying and Katie was saying, like, you don't need the pro.

00:48:31.602 --> 00:48:34.562

You really have to see what's your best use case scenario.

00:48:34.822 --> 00:48:39.722

So there's a six button, a 15 key, right? A 15 button, a 32,

00:48:39.722 --> 00:48:42.042

and then the pro series that are coming out now.

00:48:42.222 --> 00:48:48.882

I have the 15 key and I love it because it's like that Goldilocks zone for me.

00:48:48.982 --> 00:48:51.542

Because it's not too big, not too small.

00:48:51.862 --> 00:48:57.882

And the best part of it is because it's not too big. It comes with me wherever I travel.

00:48:58.042 --> 00:49:04.562

So this easily fits within like any slot in my bag and it's with me.

00:49:04.742 --> 00:49:09.522

So no matter where I go, I always have my same controls, which is like,

00:49:09.642 --> 00:49:13.142

I guess, a convenience factor for me, right? Like that sets me at ease.

00:49:14.033 --> 00:49:18.153

I kind of need to buy a NEO to travel with because when I'm editing,

00:49:18.433 --> 00:49:22.033

and you know, I don't stop editing when I hit the road, right? I still shoot my videos.

00:49:22.493 --> 00:49:26.553

And I swear to you, I tapped the table in the hotel so many times last week

00:49:26.553 --> 00:49:29.213

trying to hit Stream Deck button that doesn't exist.

00:49:29.633 --> 00:49:32.013

So I think I need to go buy me a NEO real quick.

00:49:32.753 --> 00:49:36.213

Katie, I kept thought of it the last time. Should I take this one from the office?

00:49:36.233 --> 00:49:38.313

Like, no, we need that for the show kits. I'll leave it here.

00:49:39.613 --> 00:49:45.433

Nah, it's fine. Yeah, the Neo, if you don't know, is their more affordable kind

00:49:45.433 --> 00:49:48.393

of beginner line of items.

00:49:48.533 --> 00:49:51.633

So they're smaller, but also a little less feature-rich.

00:49:51.733 --> 00:49:57.273

Good for travel. Taurus said, TSA, ma'am, what is this? Oh, it's my 150-button stream deck.

00:49:57.913 --> 00:50:02.373

TSA would definitely wonder what the heck you're trying to do with a whole bunch

00:50:02.373 --> 00:50:03.553

of stream decks in the box.

00:50:04.853 --> 00:50:08.533

Yeah, TSA may not be thrilled. Well, I know we're coming up on time here,

00:50:08.613 --> 00:50:10.373

but we definitely need to talk about Speedify.

00:50:10.713 --> 00:50:13.573

They they are the like one thing that

00:50:13.573 --> 00:50:16.553

literally saves the day multiple multiple times so

00:50:16.553 --> 00:50:20.593

internet connectivity and speedify what

00:50:20.593 --> 00:50:23.433

do you do we think louise are you using speedify in your that's the whole thing

00:50:23.433 --> 00:50:26.873

now we've been talking about the remote production but if you're looking to

00:50:26.873 --> 00:50:31.453

do this for someone else right like let's say you were trying to get the information

00:50:31.453 --> 00:50:35.433

to see how you're going to handle it the internet connection is probably the

00:50:35.433 --> 00:50:39.513

biggest or the most important thing when it comes to a remote producer,

00:50:39.513 --> 00:50:46.073

because not only am I having to secure that I have adequate bandwidth for,

00:50:46.313 --> 00:50:50.153

excuse me, for the connections coming in, like we had mentioned,

00:50:50.293 --> 00:50:51.753

Doc is calling in from Hawaii.

00:50:52.393 --> 00:51:01.373

Katie from Massachusetts, and they're, they're connecting to my computer here in Miami.

00:51:01.373 --> 00:51:06.793

And then from here, we're also broadcasting it out live to YouTube, to all the interwebs.

00:51:07.033 --> 00:51:11.273

So I need to know that my Internet connection has enough bandwidth to handle

00:51:11.273 --> 00:51:14.053

all of that without breaking a sweat.

00:51:14.233 --> 00:51:23.853

So my first is that I am fortunate enough to have fiber cable or fiber Internet here at my location.

00:51:23.873 --> 00:51:27.013

And with that being said, I'm just not solely

00:51:27.013 --> 00:51:30.273

reliant on that because we experienced

00:51:30.273 --> 00:51:33.413

a situation on one of our earlier episodes where

00:51:33.413 --> 00:51:36.333

my neighbor came out and did something to

00:51:36.333 --> 00:51:42.873

my physical line and broke it and we it literally broke the internet right and

00:51:42.873 --> 00:51:49.093

everything on my end exactly everything on my end says that it's okay but when

00:51:49.093 --> 00:51:54.093

we tried to hit the gas and go on the on the stream nothing was happening we

00:51:54.093 --> 00:51:55.993

then found out that like you said.

00:51:56.704 --> 00:52:01.964

He damaged the actual physical cable. And since then, I've been using a two-tier

00:52:01.964 --> 00:52:07.824

system, which is I have a wireless internet system through T-Mobile that that

00:52:07.824 --> 00:52:11.084

is like one of those home internets that you can use.

00:52:11.124 --> 00:52:15.784

And that sits there as a secondary backup. So I have, you know,

00:52:15.884 --> 00:52:18.504

like a gig up and down on the fiber.

00:52:18.504 --> 00:52:23.464

And then I also have an extra 300 up and down off of that wireless.

00:52:23.464 --> 00:52:28.924

And with the program of Speedify, I'm able to unify both of those internets

00:52:28.924 --> 00:52:33.624

together to mesh them and make sure that I have a strong cable connection.

00:52:33.844 --> 00:52:37.084

So in case, let's say, for instance, because it's happened over here,

00:52:37.224 --> 00:52:42.164

an accident on the road has hit the main like power line that has that.

00:52:42.324 --> 00:52:46.524

And now it wasn't that my neighbor broke the line, but like the main line is

00:52:46.524 --> 00:52:48.904

broken and we would be without Internet.

00:52:48.904 --> 00:52:55.804

So if I have a client that we have a timed paid gig for a specific slot,

00:52:55.804 --> 00:53:01.804

I can't allow any of those things to be a circumstance to allow me not to do my job.

00:53:01.844 --> 00:53:07.764

So with Speedify and having multiple Internet providers, I'm able to prevent

00:53:07.764 --> 00:53:09.084

anything from happening.

00:53:09.084 --> 00:53:13.704

So in case somebody does hit the pole outside and knocks down my fiber,

00:53:13.944 --> 00:53:17.424

I know that I'll still be able to transmit through the wireless,

00:53:17.424 --> 00:53:23.664

you know, T-Mobile setup and the mesh with Speedify will allow nobody to even notice.

00:53:24.484 --> 00:53:28.644

There you go. It's like, it's like Chris Rock said, right? You know why they

00:53:28.644 --> 00:53:31.924

should change the name of insurance too. Nevermind. I can't say that on this. Yeah.

00:53:32.824 --> 00:53:38.064

In case stuff happens. Yeah. I just knew Luis would remember that.

00:53:38.404 --> 00:53:43.224

All right. So if you could improve something, what would it be, Luis?

00:53:45.564 --> 00:53:47.184

As far as remote production?

00:53:52.624 --> 00:53:56.444

It's really tough because we got things pretty much on lock,

00:53:56.564 --> 00:53:57.684

you know, and it's not taking.

00:53:57.904 --> 00:54:01.124

Because Luis is thinking this one through. What do you think? What would you improve?

00:54:02.184 --> 00:54:06.144

I mean, I think we're always tweaking and making small improvements,

00:54:06.144 --> 00:54:09.204

and that's kind of the goal, right? So that like you have, if you've got the

00:54:09.204 --> 00:54:14.844

big stuff locked down, then it allows you to really make like small improvements to be.

00:54:15.591 --> 00:54:18.331

Better every single time yeah but there's no

00:54:18.331 --> 00:54:21.151

like one big thing that i can think of but i think like

00:54:21.151 --> 00:54:24.771

we've been making and over the years we've been making small

00:54:24.771 --> 00:54:27.631

you know small changes like you know we've been i think

00:54:27.631 --> 00:54:30.851

we've gotten a little bit less graphic-y so

00:54:30.851 --> 00:54:33.691

that like so that the feed is a little bit cleaner and more polished and

00:54:33.691 --> 00:54:36.591

professional we've um we've moved to ecamp for

00:54:36.591 --> 00:54:39.411

zoom we've done like we've done a bunch of things as

00:54:39.411 --> 00:54:42.471

we're testing and playing with it so i want you to hear what katie

00:54:42.471 --> 00:54:46.131

said because i've been trying to tell y'all like graphics

00:54:46.131 --> 00:54:48.991

doesn't make your show more engaging graphics makes your.

00:54:48.991 --> 00:54:52.611

Show more complicated you don't make sure the show more engaging you just

00:54:52.611 --> 00:54:55.491

you are the star of the show you don't

00:54:55.491 --> 00:54:59.351

have to be a star baby i'm

00:54:59.351 --> 00:55:02.371

gonna sing a duet with val to be in my show

00:55:02.371 --> 00:55:05.031

the only thing that i would honestly improve which is kind of out of our

00:55:05.031 --> 00:55:08.171

hands right now would be i would i would like

00:55:08.171 --> 00:55:11.231

to have the talk back even though we don't need it it's just

00:55:11.231 --> 00:55:13.891

from safety mechanism i've always had it in my

00:55:13.891 --> 00:55:17.971

production role as a real producer producer um yeah

00:55:17.971 --> 00:55:20.811

but here's the thing anybody who can tell me to sing that song i'll give

00:55:20.811 --> 00:55:24.091

you five points uh anyway but as

00:55:24.091 --> 00:55:26.731

the producer with zoom i'm the one

00:55:26.731 --> 00:55:30.271

who actually doesn't really get to hear the conversation you know

00:55:30.271 --> 00:55:33.171

like so if i'm if i'm actually doing the

00:55:33.171 --> 00:55:36.011

production and i kind of put you guys into the

00:55:36.011 --> 00:55:38.931

green room you can have that conversation that doesn't

00:55:38.931 --> 00:55:41.791

go out me as the producer i'm just not part of

00:55:41.791 --> 00:55:44.611

it so if you are looking to that

00:55:44.611 --> 00:55:47.491

then there's really nothing to really worry about

00:55:47.491 --> 00:55:50.931

but if you're part of the mix like if you're like today's

00:55:50.931 --> 00:55:53.851

show part of it then that would be the one thing that you would say the back

00:55:53.851 --> 00:55:57.711

channel that that is missing it's just it's just a safety thing that i'm just

00:55:57.711 --> 00:56:01.031

used to from producing regular shows that just something that i kind of want

00:56:01.031 --> 00:56:05.251

um okay so tommy we'll finish your question up is there a way to equalize mic

00:56:05.251 --> 00:56:08.931

levels for guests or other audio inputs am i missing something yeah it's you

00:56:08.931 --> 00:56:10.771

you have to do Not you like you,

00:56:10.931 --> 00:56:13.291

Tommy, but you the person that's running the thing. The producer.

00:56:14.340 --> 00:56:18.660

In our situation, like doing it live, because we are going to basically put

00:56:18.660 --> 00:56:22.640

this together as an edited thing at the end, it kind of doesn't matter.

00:56:22.640 --> 00:56:26.000

And I know sometimes the guests, people freak out over it.

00:56:26.120 --> 00:56:29.900

But once you start at a level, you kind of don't want to mess with it because

00:56:29.900 --> 00:56:33.180

we're going to fix it in post. This will become a recording.

00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.740

The live recording will become a finished episode. so

00:56:36.740 --> 00:56:39.820

if Katie's a little louder than me or quieter

00:56:39.820 --> 00:56:42.880

than me at the end when Luis is in Final Cut you take

00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.960

you running through all phonic all the levels are the same you

00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.840

walking out of here right uh people always ask

00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:51.980

the question about well I downloaded all these tracks from Epidemic

00:56:51.980 --> 00:56:54.640

and some of them are louder and some of them are softer like how do how does

00:56:54.640 --> 00:56:58.040

Ecamm fix that Ecamm doesn't that's called pre-production you

00:56:58.040 --> 00:57:00.940

go into your garage band or your whatever

00:57:00.940 --> 00:57:03.840

and you even them out but see nobody wants to

00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.760

do that so they want us to come up with some magic trick that

00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:09.500

does it there is no magic trick in the real world if i'm

00:57:09.500 --> 00:57:12.520

standing in a down the street at kgmb studio with

00:57:12.520 --> 00:57:15.640

a billion dollar studio you know what i do level every single

00:57:15.640 --> 00:57:18.740

file by hand still so in a

00:57:18.740 --> 00:57:21.480

way with all phonic and the stuff

00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.300

that we do here it's it's actually

00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:27.120

easier but i think everybody thinks there's some

00:57:27.120 --> 00:57:29.820

kind of magic sauce and there's not and at the end of the

00:57:29.820 --> 00:57:32.780

day i've watched many shows

00:57:32.780 --> 00:57:35.880

from the news today uh sports

00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:40.980

center super bowl there's 15 different levels and you know what i don't care

00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:45.720

because i hate the chiefs and i just want whoever's playing them to kill them

00:57:45.720 --> 00:57:49.140

and i know the raiders won't be there for another five or six years but once

00:57:49.140 --> 00:57:53.020

we get there then i'll complain about the levels because it ain't i mean really

00:57:53.020 --> 00:57:55.700

if you're engaged with your people, nobody's tripping off of that.

00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:58.660

We overthink that because that's our insecurity.

00:58:00.600 --> 00:58:03.600

Our insecurities of overthinking whether the people are going to trip on stuff

00:58:03.600 --> 00:58:07.760

like that, and even I'm going to say something that's kind of weird.

00:58:09.966 --> 00:58:15.926

A lot of times because we're doing what we do, our audience are all sort of

00:58:15.926 --> 00:58:18.686

producer type people as well.

00:58:19.326 --> 00:58:23.526

So like I'm in Twit the other day and in the middle of the stream,

00:58:23.786 --> 00:58:28.206

somebody comes in the chat and they go, hey, doc, your video is choppy.

00:58:28.466 --> 00:58:35.086

And we're in the middle of having this fantastic conversation about AI and what's

00:58:35.086 --> 00:58:36.226

moving forward or whatever.

00:58:36.846 --> 00:58:41.046

And I just wanted to ask that person while I'm having this conversation live

00:58:41.046 --> 00:58:45.266

on Twitter, what can I do right now to touch that Internet?

00:58:46.086 --> 00:58:48.906

Nothing. I'm not Spectrum. My last name is Rock.

00:58:50.346 --> 00:58:55.406

So telling somebody that I'm professional at this, I do this all the time, it doesn't throw me off.

00:58:55.626 --> 00:58:59.826

But I have seen you have on the guests that relatively new.

00:59:00.066 --> 00:59:02.106

Right. So let's say I'm talking to Eden.

00:59:02.406 --> 00:59:07.266

Also, Eden, dear friend of mine, like me, very neurodiverse.

00:59:07.546 --> 00:59:11.406

If you tell Eden that her internet is tripping while she's in the middle of

00:59:11.406 --> 00:59:15.526

a thing, guess what ADDEDEN does?

00:59:16.806 --> 00:59:21.326

Makes it a priority. You just broke her. You just absolutely broke her stream.

00:59:22.486 --> 00:59:27.546

So I know you guys mean well, but honestly, those things we normally can't help.

00:59:27.666 --> 00:59:33.186

We can unmute, right? If we're muted, but like when YouTube is tripping or the

00:59:33.186 --> 00:59:36.126

internet, like things that we have no control over, it really,

00:59:36.306 --> 00:59:39.966

really does not help us when people say that stuff.

00:59:39.986 --> 00:59:42.566

And I get it because we're Ecamp, we're going to get those.

00:59:42.686 --> 00:59:46.546

And I don't expect anyone to stop because you're just not, I've learned to ignore

00:59:46.546 --> 00:59:49.626

it because I bring this example up every time.

00:59:49.726 --> 00:59:52.486

Cause I think it's important that you guys know. I watched Kathy.

00:59:53.312 --> 00:59:57.532

Have a perfectly functioning stream that was quite amazing. And she's in her

00:59:57.532 --> 01:00:00.012

recipe, she's in her groove, she's going on.

01:00:00.112 --> 01:00:04.612

And somebody in the chat who had their headphones not straight told her the

01:00:04.612 --> 01:00:09.092

audio was broken and she touched one thing and disconnected her entire audio

01:00:09.092 --> 01:00:11.152

and she could never get it back for the stream.

01:00:11.472 --> 01:00:15.952

So the rest of the time she had to use like an extra mic that wasn't correct.

01:00:16.532 --> 01:00:21.272

And if you, yeah, it doesn't help because Cheryl and her are not audio professionals.

01:00:21.272 --> 01:00:24.112

They had no idea what they how to fix that on the fly

01:00:24.112 --> 01:00:27.172

and they end up breaking the stream so you know

01:00:27.172 --> 01:00:30.692

that's such a perfect you know like story to

01:00:30.692 --> 01:00:34.032

mention the reason why you would want a remote producer

01:00:34.032 --> 01:00:37.712

because as a producer somebody in

01:00:37.712 --> 01:00:40.552

the chat could have their system messed

01:00:40.552 --> 01:00:43.492

up because they have two browsers open and now they're hearing

01:00:43.492 --> 01:00:46.312

double audio and then they hear that

01:00:46.312 --> 01:00:49.472

and have to type it right away which caused like

01:00:49.472 --> 01:00:53.112

that incident with kathy where she totally started

01:00:53.112 --> 01:00:56.132

looking for something that was the guest or

01:00:56.132 --> 01:01:02.412

the viewers uh fault or their situation they had the double audio and it ended

01:01:02.412 --> 01:01:06.272

up ruining her stream because she was trying to find something that wasn't even

01:01:06.272 --> 01:01:12.152

an issue with a producer i know exactly what's going out so that's that ease

01:01:12.152 --> 01:01:15.652

of mind that sets to, you know, the clients like you and Katie.

01:01:15.952 --> 01:01:18.572

Where you can just focus on the conversation.

01:01:18.672 --> 01:01:23.652

And even if you were to see a random comment like that, know that somebody in

01:01:23.652 --> 01:01:28.212

the background is already either taking care of it or for sure knows it.

01:01:28.312 --> 01:01:32.572

Now, if you don't have a remote producer, this is where a lot of times you would

01:01:32.572 --> 01:01:37.972

rely on your moderators in the chat where Paul just mentioned that. Yeah, exactly.

01:01:38.192 --> 01:01:42.332

Like you would listen to your moderators and let them know because they're more

01:01:42.332 --> 01:01:46.612

in tune to what the production should be like, and they were not going to give

01:01:46.612 --> 01:01:48.032

you any false information.

01:01:48.512 --> 01:01:53.252

So that's one thing that I would recommend. And it could be the key thing of

01:01:53.252 --> 01:01:55.252

why you might want to get a remote producer.

01:01:56.247 --> 01:02:01.547

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's also, that part is important because that's not going

01:02:01.547 --> 01:02:04.707

to come up unless you are doing similar to what we're doing,

01:02:04.847 --> 01:02:09.427

which is live recording your episode or your show is also a live stream.

01:02:10.187 --> 01:02:14.707

And so, yeah, I think it just comes down to training, like knowing what is worth

01:02:14.707 --> 01:02:16.727

answering and what's not worth answering.

01:02:16.947 --> 01:02:22.147

Like, I don't think, I think at this point, like if we know and trust that the

01:02:22.147 --> 01:02:26.047

final results is going to be the way that we want because we know that these

01:02:26.047 --> 01:02:27.047

episodes are going to be edited.

01:02:27.287 --> 01:02:29.867

We can ignore those comments because again, we have a producer,

01:02:30.107 --> 01:02:31.927

we have a moderator who's in the chat.

01:02:32.087 --> 01:02:35.267

And so we're able to set expectations without derailing the conversation.

01:02:35.407 --> 01:02:39.587

Because the problem is, is that if you don't have a producer or a moderator.

01:02:39.847 --> 01:02:44.547

Or you're not editing that episode and you allow that conversation to derail you,

01:02:44.787 --> 01:02:50.027

then you're forcing yourself to do the extra work of having to go back in and edit that episode,

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or that episode doesn't turn out the way that you wanted it

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to because you were derailed in the conversation and it

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went off in a way that you didn't yeah there you go there you go this was

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a it was it's more than we thought like it

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was actually pretty good we could probably do this for like another

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hour because it is it is a lot and i

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i do i do appreciate um when

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we had the decision to try to do a remote

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producer so that we could show other people

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how to do it we didn't realize it was

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going to make our job so much easier like it

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legit complete made our job so much easier and it's funny because I say the

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same thing Katie said at the very beginning I was like Katie and I are both

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fully capable of running the show by ourself but there is something dope about

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being hands-off and having somebody else produce it for you so I highly suggest you do two things.

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I highly suggest you try it, even if you are the remote producer and the other

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one is exactly the opposite.

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You try what it's like to be on one where it's remote produced.

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So try both sides of this equation, because I think the one thing that makes

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it good for Luis is he knows both side of it.

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And I still to this day know people who are doing guest interviews who have

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never been a guest and they do not understand the things that the guests go

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through, which is why they still have the same questions that are technically,

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you know, they should know they would know if they experienced that side of it.

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So you should definitely, whether zoom for interview, I'm sorry,

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e-cam for zoom or the regular interview mode, you should be our guest, be our guest. Sorry.

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You know how about brainwaves. That brings it to this thing that I wrote down

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earlier in the, in today's episode, which was when Katie was talking about the

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tour guide at Disney, right? and how that experience changed everything.

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And I wrote down this question, which was, does your podcast need a tour guide?

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Yeah. There you go. Probably yes. Probably yes. Yes.

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All right. Well, that takes us to the end of our, that's like the perfect close

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right there. Does your podcast need a tour guide? I love it, Luis.

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That's so good. Now we got to do what we always do, which is our ad reads.

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And you see, we're explaining it now, But usually this is seamless where we would just transition.

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And when I find that gap around this time, you know, the closing is when I'll

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just pop in the screen and let the guys take over.

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show on Captivate, and this is just the nice back end, which is hosted on PiPage,

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See it's a good reminder AdWords are a good reminder yeah and we still have

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stuff to talk about including how we transfer files and things like that but

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yeah we'll do that we will definitely do a take too okay gang you know what

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we say right here thank you Luis thank you Cates Flowriders,

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out out,

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bye everyone bye nephew See you!