The Flow: Episode 100 - How to Create an Eye-Catching Podcast Set

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<v Doc>Aloha Flow Riders and welcome to The Flow. I am your host, Doc Rock,

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<v Doc>along with my awesome co-host.

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<v Katie>Hey everyone, it's Katie.

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<v Doc>Yay! Alright, today we are going to flow it up. It is episode 99.

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<v Katie>No, it's episode 100. Wait, really?

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<v Doc>How do I keep missing? You know what? It's Hawaii time.

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<v Katie>Today's the day. Even in Hawaii, it's still episode 100.

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<v Doc>Episode 100 episode. I just went mad German just now. It's episode.

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<v Doc>Wow, that's crazy. Can you imagine when we started this? Like,

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<v Doc>oh, yeah, we should take like 10 episodes. We'll be good.

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<v Katie>We have a lot to say.

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<v Doc>Oops. Oops. It turned out that it was a lot of fun.

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<v Doc>And, yeah, it's kind of cool to watch it grow over the times.

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<v Doc>We've done them, like, now in remote locations.

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<v Doc>We've done them in the same place. We've done them from a hotel room in Albany

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<v Doc>and where was the other one? Was it Texas?

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<v Doc>Yes, it was Dallas. We did what had done with the crickets.

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<v Doc>We did it in Dallas. We even did one on the pool deck in Orlando,

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<v Doc>Florida at the resort that they paved over now.

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<v Doc>So we had the Flofa episode, which is still my favorite. That was just absolute fun.

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<v Doc>So yeah, it's kind of crazy. We've been, wow, it's been a happy 100.

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<v Doc>I feel like I should take a shot, but it's 7 in the morning.

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<v Katie>Yeah, like an espresso shot for right now, and then other shots later.

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<v Katie>Espresso shots for the moment.

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<v Doc>All right, so what are we kicking off today for the hundy?

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<v Katie>Well, I thought today we would talk a little bit about podcast sets.

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<v Katie>And I specifically want to phrase it in that way, podcast sets,

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<v Katie>instead of talking about,

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<v Katie>studio because we have a bunch of episodes in our hundred all about the gear

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<v Katie>and the tech and kind of all of the camera equipment and lights and microphones

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<v Katie>and all that great stuff, which we will cover a little bit of today.

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<v Katie>But I wanted everyone to have a good understanding of all of the different options

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<v Katie>that come with a studio set.

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<v Katie>So that includes the flofa.

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<v Katie>Maybe you want a flofa. That includes whether or not you're remote or in person,

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<v Katie>whether you're on location, or you have just a really simple solo shot.

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<v Katie>So I want everyone, as we always do, to think about what the content and the

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<v Katie>structure of your show is or what you plan it to be.

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<v Katie>And then through that lens, we're going to talk through all the different options

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<v Katie>available to you as you think about building out your space.

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<v Katie>So what the show will look like to everyone watching on the other side.

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<v Katie>So sets, not fully studio, but a little bit studio.

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<v Doc>All right, cool. So I, listen, this is really good. I love this idea.

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<v Doc>And, um, it's just the idea that I think there is a lot of overthinking when

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<v Doc>it comes to this kind of thing.

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<v Doc>And I think part of it is people are still like, I legit just had this conversation

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<v Doc>on my video yesterday and, uh, the thought process was, was triggered by my buddy, Kurt.

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<v Doc>I love Kurt, but I'm going to disagree with him hardcore on this one.

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<v Doc>Kurt said that podcast video is different from regular video.

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<v Doc>I'm like, no, it's not. That's why everybody keeps overthinking it.

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<v Doc>Because if you were to do a show and I'm going to review frying pans,

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<v Doc>something as mundane as frying pans, and

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<v Doc>I'm going to go from the standard issue Walmart $12

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<v Doc>joint to the hexaclad joint to the Lodge stable $25 large cast iron that will

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<v Doc>last you your entirety of your life to the Martha Stewart knockoff lodge to

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<v Doc>these artisanal brands that are made in like Portland and Seattle.

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<v Doc>There's a couple of really cool ones that are, you know, people are trying to bring back the art.

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<v Doc>And I ended up with 30 10

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<v Doc>minute a piece videos talking about the merits and

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<v Doc>well demerits of each one of those particular frying

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<v Doc>pans I could put those in the playlist and call it everything you need to know

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<v Doc>about frying pans in more podcasts I could have shot them as YouTube videos

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<v Doc>and at the end go wow I got 30 dope videos and the people are loving it It gets the people going.

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<v Doc>I can literally just throw in a 3,000 by 3,000 square, write a description and call that a podcast.

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<v Doc>I can then in turn strip the audio for all of those and upload it to Lip Sync,

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<v Doc>Captivate, Buzzsprout, whatever.

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<v Doc>And that's a podcast. So the podcast is only the container that makes it not

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<v Doc>episodic necessarily, but episodic style where I can watch them in a collection. It's a box set.

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<v Doc>So people need to stop it with the crazy definitions. And I understand why people

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<v Doc>do that because the industry has kind of done that.

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<v Doc>And that's the reason why brand new people get a little bit lost because they

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<v Doc>get caught in labels that don't mean jack.

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<v Doc>Yeah. So sorry, Kurt. I love you. We can fight about this in person.

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<v Katie>This actually, though, raises, I guess, a couple of questions I've been thinking

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<v Katie>about recently. And I'm sure that many other people have these kinds of thoughts in mind.

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<v Katie>Right. So if you are a video creator and you also have a podcast,

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<v Katie>or maybe you have a couple podcasts, so Doc and I are great examples of this,

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<v Katie>you might want to think about your space and your set a little differently based

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<v Katie>on the different kinds of content that you're creating.

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<v Katie>So I have this space right now.

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<v Katie>I'm in my home studio. So I have my mushroom backgrounds and my woobles and

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<v Katie>my chickens and whatever, all my personality stuff.

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<v Katie>I have my I have, I go into the Amesbury studio, which I haven't been into it

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<v Katie>for a while because I've been loving the internet connection here.

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<v Katie>I'm a little bit better, but there is an incredible studio there,

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<v Katie>right? And that feels very Ecamm, right?

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<v Katie>It's got all of the branded Ecamm things in the background. It's been very much

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<v Katie>intentionally set up to be very Ecamm.

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<v Katie>But I have this podcast that I do for fun where I'm reviewing movies, right?

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<v Katie>And so I've been thinking more about like, oh, maybe I should have like a background

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<v Katie>specific for my show that has a little bit more of the movie personality, right?

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<v Katie>So it's good to think through, like Doc was just saying, like your content,

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<v Katie>but you might also be thinking like about different,

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<v Katie>you know, creating different spaces, whether it's in the same room,

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<v Katie>maybe it's just a really simple space, maybe you're carrying your brand through

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<v Katie>to all the different shows and content that you do, and that's fine.

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<v Katie>Or maybe you want, like, I'm honestly thinking I have a flofa over there off camera.

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<v Katie>And it's got movie posters all behind it. So maybe in my case,

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<v Katie>like, this is Ecamm Katie just coming to you.

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<v Katie>And this is all the pieces behind me that the flair that make up who I am and are identifiable.

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<v Katie>But maybe when I'm doing my movie podcast, I'll be on my sofa with my movie posters background.

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<v Katie>And that creates a different, welcoming people into a different space and setting

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<v Katie>the intention that, hey, in

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<v Katie>this episode, in this video, we're actually talking about movies, right?

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<v Katie>So I think, again, understanding your content,

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<v Katie>knowing that it can be used in all of these different ways, it's really important

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<v Katie>as you're thinking about your set and your studio spaces to think about how

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<v Katie>are you welcoming people into the content that you're about to talk to,

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<v Katie>what story and message are you telling by what you have behind you,

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<v Katie>what space you're in, what you're wearing potentially,

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<v Katie>all of these different things that kind of make up the set and the studio space.

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<v Doc>What's really cool about your setup is for people who don't like,

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<v Doc>okay, I desk it. So my camera is against the wall at the desk.

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<v Doc>It is a little bit more work for me to flip the room. But what I have been working

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<v Doc>on in the last couple of days is building something that's going to allow me to flip the room.

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<v Doc>Yeah. Right. So I, the other day I opened up a brand new, what do you call it? Softbox.

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<v Doc>Because I'm going to do what we did in Amesbury and I'm going to put camera on a pole.

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<v Doc>So that way, if I want to change the set, all I got to do is go to the DJI Osmo

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<v Doc>Pocket or the Osmo Action 5 or the phone against that pole and then shoot this

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<v Doc>way. So you're looking into the edit bay, right?

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<v Doc>So yours would be super cool because you could flip the room.

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<v Doc>And honestly, this sounds crazy.

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<v Doc>I know it'd be impossible because there's no way that the kids are going to

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<v Doc>be quiet that whole time.

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<v Doc>But I would love to see you shoot in the library.

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<v Doc>Your library is dope. Like it's what I've always dreamed I could have,

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<v Doc>but square footage in Hawaii is crazy expensive.

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<v Doc>Your library would cost me 300 grand just in square feet alone. So I can't do that.

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<v Doc>So it's a vicarious situation, but I think it would be so dope to get like a

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<v Doc>high back chair with the brass doohickeys, you know, like that kind of red Corinthian lead.

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<v Doc>And then you're sitting there like Nick Offerman in your cable sweater because the fire is right there.

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<v Doc>The books are right there that smell of the books and

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<v Doc>then you know i think that'd be dope to talk about movies because most of the

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<v Doc>movies come from books yeah right yeah now now then scarlet would run and be

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<v Doc>like mom and he'd be like damn it there goes the podcast so there is i mean

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<v Doc>but you know i mean i think that what you just said is is dope because it allows

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<v Doc>you to put some personality

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<v Doc>in it and not just be a talking head

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<v Doc>And a great example of that is Alec, because Alec started with the backdrop

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<v Doc>and then he was like, yeah, I'm not really feeling this because everyone always

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<v Doc>comes to us. Well, how do we do the backdrop? How do we do the backdrop?

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<v Doc>And I'm like, yo, the backdrop. Look, you got to do what you got to do.

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<v Doc>I'm not I'm not a hater, but it is stealing your personality because that backdrop is not you.

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<v Doc>And I think you should avoid it unless you have no choice. And there are definitely

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<v Doc>times where you have no choice. I started on the backdrop and I totally felt

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<v Doc>a difference. And I hate this word.

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<v Doc>I felt a difference in, I wouldn't want to call it confidence,

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<v Doc>but I call it delivery. I felt a difference in my delivery.

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<v Doc>Once I got rid of the virtual backdrop and started using a regular space.

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<v Katie>Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's start.

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<v Katie>Let's dive in. Cause I know you, everyone in our team helped research some different

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<v Katie>examples so we can show people.

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<v Katie>So Louise, if you want to swing on over to our examples scene,

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<v Katie>we can talk through because there's there's lots of i think a really important

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<v Katie>thing for people to understand is that there are lots of options available for

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<v Katie>you and there's oh because video is so visual like you literally just have to

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<v Katie>go over to youtube and start taking a look at what people are doing this face

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<v Katie>right we're gonna start with this face real.

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<v Doc>Quick uh dj right on beat has something very important to say and i agree with

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<v Doc>it he said it's hard to stay motivated if you have to set it up and take it

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<v Doc>down all the time yes you just need to sit down and record and i 100 percent

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<v Doc>agree with that i 100 agree with that boom

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<v Katie>That's actually really great. So in the conversation about sets and studios,

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<v Katie>if you are at all able to, having a defined space goes a really long way.

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<v Katie>We do have examples, and we've mentioned this a lot of times before, but just a reminder,

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<v Katie>if you are in a place where it is a shared space, you can't build out a defined

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<v Katie>space, there are more and more these days studio spaces available for rent or to borrow.

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<v Katie>So there are options that are still a defined space, even if it's not in your

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<v Katie>home, or even if it's something that you're borrowing or renting.

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<v Katie>Many libraries in major cities have podcasting labs now built within them that are cool spaces.

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<v Katie>Kit.com is building out studios for their customers in a number of different

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<v Katie>cities, which is incredible that all of their customers can use to record their

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<v Katie>shows. And then there are just companies,

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<v Katie>more and more companies that are offering podcast studio spaces.

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<v Katie>So there are options outside a room in your home.

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<v Katie>There are options outside a room in your office. There are mobile different solutions.

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<v Katie>So it really, there's so many different places that are available to you.

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<v Katie>You just need to think through what makes sense. And as Doc was saying,

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<v Katie>to think through like that it is way easier to be motivated when you step into

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<v Katie>a space that allows you to be creative and that has everything ready to go.

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<v Katie>So whatever that means, whether it's a borrowed space or your own space.

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<v Doc>Carolyn says she's struggling because the recording space is also the craft

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<v Doc>space. So you have to clean up all the projects before filmmaking.

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<v Doc>I'm going to push back against that because that's an excuse. Here's why.

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<v Doc>No good crafters space is cute like those people on Pinterest.

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<v Doc>The people on Pinterest that have really cute spaces with the pegboard and everything

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<v Doc>is in order, they're not crafting.

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<v Doc>People who are actually doing crafts, they're crafting. My grandma's sewing

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<v Doc>room was clean when she's not sewing, but when she was sewing,

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<v Doc>yo, there's stuff everywhere.

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<v Doc>And I think if you became the first person to show up

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<v Doc>With a in-progress crafting room, people will vibe with you more because you'd

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<v Doc>be the first person telling the truth.

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<v Doc>Everybody else is lying. You cannot craft and be perfectly clean the whole time.

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<v Doc>It doesn't work. I'm sorry.

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<v Doc>Yeah. So I think you just don't overthink it.

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<v Doc>Anyway. Yeah, the wood shop is spotless, bro. No one's buying any furniture

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<v Doc>from us. When they come in and they got a step over sawdust,

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<v Doc>they know we actually do work.

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<v Katie>All right. so this this video luis um feel free to to pop on screen as well

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<v Katie>to talk through it a little bit but this is a this is an on location podcast studio space right.

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<v Doc>Yes this is something that i was able to

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<v Doc>do and i'm just gonna switch over to the previous scene this

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<v Doc>is a behind the scenes of exactly what i had

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<v Doc>it was just my macbook air my rode wireless

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<v Doc>uh microphones connected directly via usbc

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<v Doc>and then my camera connected via

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<v Doc>usbc just the same a simple little light and this was just in the eating area

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<v Doc>like the dining area of the hotel and then i was able to do this on the live

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<v Doc>stream and uh just hit play on that real speak i don't think any of the audio

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<v Doc>is coming through right no

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<v Katie>Perfect no which is.

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<v Doc>Great no no and that's good but this is the quality that

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<v Katie>You can get. What makes it really... Exactly. And what makes it really nice

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<v Katie>is that it's still the same overall feel of your show, right?

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<v Katie>So it's still you, front and center, your microphone in front of you.

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<v Katie>And I love that you still have your animated kind of background around it.

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<v Katie>So you still are pulling in the kind of the branding and the consistency of

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<v Katie>the show, even though your set is on location.

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<v Katie>And honestly, I would say, if you are going to be on location,

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<v Katie>quote unquote, for all it for here and there in a pop-up, double down into that.

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<v Katie>It's totally fine to let your people know, hey, I'm on location today.

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<v Katie>I'm actually, hilariously, I'm in a hotel and I found this quiet space to be

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<v Katie>able to still come to you.

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<v Katie>I think that this is an instance when you have a mobile setup that you're going

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<v Katie>to be popping up into different places here and there.

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<v Katie>It's totally fine for it to be a little bit,

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<v Katie>you know, a little bit less polished than what you would normally have.

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<v Katie>But again, Luis has made it really easy to bring all that gear and equipment

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<v Katie>with him. And it's made it really easy to still get a consistent look. Right. So.

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<v Doc>Yeah. He hides it underneath the stroller with nips in it. So you got wheels.

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<v Doc>You know, what's really, what's really cool about this setup is,

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<v Doc>look, it's so realistic that I'm looking for Michael in the comments,

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<v Doc>but he was on the comments and videos thing. I was like, Hey Mike.

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<v Doc>Oh, he's not here. He's on luis's video so i'm trying to comment

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<v Doc>to people that's not here yeah exactly super

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<v Doc>super cool i really like this and um i

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<v Doc>don't know i i sent it to luis sort of last minute so i don't know if he

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<v Doc>had a chance to pull it up but there's a really cool cat

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<v Doc>named jefferson fisher his whole podcast come from his car oh man that's why

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<v Doc>we got a good producer look here yeah you talk about mobile studio jefferson

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<v Doc>fisher is a highly accomplished individual okay when i mean highly accomplished

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<v Doc>I'm a highly accomplished individual.

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<v Doc>And I think it's funny because there are so many people that will hide behind

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<v Doc>their professionalism, their doctoral degrees or whatever not.

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<v Doc>Jefferson shoots a whole bunch of his shows from the whip.

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<v Doc>I got to pick up my kids. And this is the pickup line.

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<v Doc>This is my best information I got while I'm in the pickup line waiting to pick up my kids.

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<v Doc>Like, this is, to me, brilliant.

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<v Katie>It is brilliant. It is 100% a podcast set, right?

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<v Katie>So he is there in the car. And I would say, we got a question in from Ed asking

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<v Katie>about green screen backgrounds.

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<v Katie>I will say, Ed, that being physically in the car or in the past example that

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<v Katie>we gave of Luis in that area,

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<v Katie>that is actually less distracting and more interesting for a viewer than a virtual

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<v Katie>background, which has the potential to look fake, or God forbid.

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<v Katie>Your hair disappears or your arm disappears, or there are just so many things

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<v Katie>that can go wrong with a virtual background that unless you're in a very controlled

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<v Katie>space and you have tested and practiced a lot with it,

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<v Katie>it actually ends up being a lot more distracting for your viewers.

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<v Katie>And the entire time they're sitting there going, wait a second,

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<v Katie>where are Like, you're changing their thought patterns, and you're getting in

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<v Katie>the way of their receiving of the actual content that they showed up to hear.

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<v Katie>So I would say, like, in this instance is a great example of he does not look

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<v Katie>any less professional being in his car.

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<v Katie>In fact, people, I'm sure, are thinking like, oh, that's really cool.

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<v Katie>The sound is still great because he's in it, like, because he's in a closed space, right?

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<v Katie>So I would challenge you and say that you actually are more kind of authentically

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<v Katie>yourself and also a better creator by just owning the space that you're in and

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<v Katie>instead of trying to fake it or to pretend.

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<v Doc>I hate to say this out loud, Katie. I just got super excited by what Steven just put in.

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<v Katie>Yeah, right.

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<v Doc>I would much rather you go to Vistaprint. Make sure you get Matt.

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<v Doc>Matt, the keyword is Matt, M-A-T-T-E, Matt.

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<v Doc>I would rather you get your logo or the Owens Mill twirly gray,

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<v Doc>you know, with all the splotches on it, or like Kelly used to use, the Nebula.

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<v Doc>I would rather you get a pull-up backdrop

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<v Doc>And put it behind you to hide your kids running around naked in the back or

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<v Doc>whatever than to use a green screen.

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<v Doc>And again, nothing wrong. If you got to use it, you got to use it.

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<v Doc>But just understand, if you go on, remember there used to be a TV show,

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<v Doc>normally played after the Super Bowl or a playoff when the timing is messed

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<v Doc>up. They would show you the greatest TV bloopers.

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<v Doc>The majority of the bloopers come from the weatherman. Why?

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<v Doc>Because of chroma key or green screen. Sorry, I'll use the mogul word.

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<v Katie>It's chroma key.

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<v Doc>The majority of them would come from that because there's so many things that can go wrong.

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<v Doc>So I fully understand why people do it. They have a limited space.

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<v Doc>Like I live in Hawaii, dude. I have a thousand square foot apartment and I used

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<v Doc>to have my studio in apartment and I used to use a black backdrop because going

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<v Doc>to edit the green screen actually took more work.

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<v Doc>So I swapped my green screen for a black fabric, which was just twill,

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<v Doc>you know, like Huskies, you know, I don't know what twill. I don't know how

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<v Doc>to describe twill. You know what it is.

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<v Doc>I just went to Walmart and I got yards of twill because it doesn't have any shine on it.

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<v Doc>And I would just hang that on a set of crappy cowboy studio backdrops.

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<v Doc>And I would just sit in front of that because I didn't have to fight lighting.

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<v Doc>It wasn't so hard to set up and it would just, it just looked better.

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<v Doc>And honestly, if you don't wear black clothes, you could actually key that out

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<v Doc>just as easy as you can key out green or blue.

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<v Doc>So I'm going to, I can't believe I'm gonna say this out loud in public on the

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<v Doc>internet to be recorded. I'm going to grieve with SL and say,

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<v Doc>get a pop-up, get like a legit pop-up or a matte whiteboard.

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<v Doc>Like if you can get a big rolling matte whiteboard, All of the above,

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<v Doc>V-flat is what we call it in photography.

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<v Doc>It's just a folding set of plywoods, like a book, and you just open it and you

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<v Doc>sit in the middle of it and shoot at it.

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<v Doc>All of those, to me, would be better than a green screen because I just think

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<v Doc>green screen steals your personality. I just do, and I'll stand by that.

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<v Doc>I think Jefferson looks so good in his car.

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<v Katie>He really does. I also, like, it tells a story, right?

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<v Katie>So people are watching your content, but they are also paying attention to what's

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<v Katie>behind you and what you're doing, right? I will say this.

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<v Doc>Yeah, smart Jeremy said that.

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<v Katie>People who are watching any of my videos ask me all the time about mushroom

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<v Katie>wallpaper, about the little crocheted guys I have behind me, about everything.

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<v Katie>It is giving them a talking point. It is giving them a familiarity.

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<v Katie>It's building a story, right?

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<v Katie>You're building a story. And I wish we had an example of this.

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<v Katie>We can definitely share this another time or with people or just encourage people

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<v Katie>to go back over and watch Mary Lou Mandel's videos from a year or two ago.

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<v Katie>So she's since changed her set and her studio space around.

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<v Katie>But she used to come at us all with literally just like a plain,

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<v Katie>I think it was a white wall behind her and she popped two different colored lights.

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<v Katie>So it was just two simple colors behind her.

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<v Katie>And because she was so great with her content and so great with her confidence

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<v Katie>and her personality on screen, after a while, you would see that and see those

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<v Katie>videos and they would be recognizable as her content, right?

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<v Katie>It's like, so she created a set with literally just a white wall and a couple of colored lights.

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<v Katie>So it, it does tell a story. People do notice it and pay attention to it,

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<v Katie>but you don't need to be worried about letting people into your space. Right.

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<v Katie>So I think it's really super important.

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<v Katie>Um, all right, let's switch to the next one, Luis.

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<v Doc>Yes.

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<v Katie>Now that we've seen him jump in and out of his car.

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<v Doc>That means that Luis had to bend down and get Aiden real quick.

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<v Doc>Who's this dork on the screen? I mean, Leo, not me. So let me explain you this.

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<v Doc>This is incredible to me, people.

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<v Doc>Because so in this studio, we used to always do this from a very elaborate studio

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<v Doc>in the Bay Area in California.

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<v Doc>And what happened is with the pandemic and some changes and things like that

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<v Doc>and just going through the way shows are changing over time leo is now in his

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<v Doc>house uh davindra is calling from his home

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<v Doc>and um oh my god my brain just went dumb stacy called from her place and i'm

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<v Doc>here so i'm in honolulu so we're all spread over but the mac is in mac co-location

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<v Doc>which i believe is in nevada somewhere.

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<v Doc>So the Mac studio is not even in a room and the producer, in this case,

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<v Doc>John is producing from his house somewhere else.

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<v Doc>So we all remoted into this machine, but we're running one of the longest running, right?

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<v Doc>That is episode 1008.

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<v Doc>We're episode 100.

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<v Doc>This is episode 1008 from two months ago, right? This show is going to be old

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<v Doc>enough to drink this year.

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<v Doc>Like the one of the long that's why people say well video podcasting is new

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<v Doc>i'm like nah fam we've been doing that mess since 2008 see and look at his but

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<v Katie>Look at his his set and his background here right so.

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<v Doc>And it started with just a wall and every week we've added a different thing

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<v Doc>and so that glowing twit logo behind was the newest piece yeah and it's just

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<v Doc>a bookshelf and then just adding some unique pieces.

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<v Doc>So finding an old mag, finding an old, what do you call it?

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<v Doc>Like nuclear clock type situation, but it literally just started out as a plain room.

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<v Doc>And if you flip that thing around, you'd be like, wow, I can't believe that's

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<v Doc>the same studio. Sorry, Leo, I'm gonna stop snitching.

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<v Katie>Well, and what's neat about this, and we do this obviously with our show as

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<v Katie>well, but you have like, again, like camera switching, you have people that are calling in remote.

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<v Katie>So like when everyone like Doc or Leo are full screen, you see their entire

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<v Katie>set in their space and it feels, you know, uniquely them, uniquely the show.

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<v Katie>But then when they're all together, you just have the simple branding around

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<v Katie>it. Everyone's video quality looks good.

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<v Katie>Their faces are all about the same size. Everything is framed and produced really well.

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<v Katie>So again, like each one of these people who are joining this four-person panel

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<v Katie>discussion, this show, right, they all have their own podcast set and their

00:26:04.833 --> 00:26:08.233

<v Katie>own podcast background. So I think it's, again...

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<v Katie>Thinking through like in-person versus remote versus on location right here's

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<v Katie>an example of they know that their show is going to have a ton of guests on

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<v Katie>so they need to look consistent across the board but they need to have a defined

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<v Katie>space for their home base and for where leo is which they really did a very.

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<v Doc>Good important thing about this particular show and i i was talking about stacy

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<v Doc>higginbotham it was jennifer patterson uh one of the things that she's one of

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<v Doc>the things that she said in the show, which I thought was very important.

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<v Doc>And again, she is a editor at The Verge.

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<v Doc>She says, I'd rather watch people that just are like normal people in their

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<v Doc>house, having a conversation with us instead of these hyper polished shows.

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<v Doc>She legit said that in this particular show. So I

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<v Doc>just want to let that sort of dive in to your

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<v Doc>brain that everyone's trying

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<v Doc>to be perfect and the the general population

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<v Doc>is over the hyper polished shows like they

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<v Doc>just are because they don't seem real they don't seem human they don't seem

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<v Doc>attainable and they don't seem relatable so be relatable right one of my favorite

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<v Doc>things and and honestly why i fell in love with stephanie back in the day is

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<v Doc>my my niece's name is emma garcia stephanie's daughter's

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<v Doc>So when a little kid, Emma would always run into her show and interrupt her.

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<v Doc>I was like, I remember that when my Emma was not old enough to talk back and

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<v Doc>keep asking me for money.

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<v Doc>Yeah, like it like brought a little like to the throat every time Emma running. Mom, I want a snack.

00:27:42.849 --> 00:27:46.429

<v Doc>Right. Because I just it's something that I related to her.

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<v Doc>Stephanie are like best friends at this point. But it's one of those things

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<v Doc>where that was the connection.

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<v Doc>She could have just been some other marketing lady on TV talking smack about how to do content.

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<v Doc>But when every time Emma would interrupt her, I would run bets in the chat.

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<v Doc>Okay what time stamp will emma run in and then we would all crack jokes and

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<v Doc>like okay someone's gonna get the five dollar starbucks card for winning that

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<v Katie>So oh my gosh but i important to note though in everything that doc just said

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<v Katie>the one thing that is consistent across the board with all of these is that

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<v Katie>the actual video quality and the audio quality which i know we're not listening

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<v Katie>to right now are solid, right?

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<v Katie>So like the background and the set can be more personalized,

00:28:31.869 --> 00:28:38.909

<v Katie>can be messy in some cases, can be very specific or general.

00:28:39.269 --> 00:28:44.869

<v Katie>Like there's a lot of flexibility there. And what keeps it professional is the

00:28:44.869 --> 00:28:51.089

<v Katie>actual like content itself and as good quality as you can get in your camera and in your audio,

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<v Katie>the background and kind of the set of it,

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<v Katie>you have a ton of flexibility with.

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<v Katie>So really keep that in mind is that sometimes I think we need for our set to

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<v Katie>look professional. And I don't think our set needs to look professional.

00:29:07.749 --> 00:29:12.309

<v Katie>I think our set needs to express who we are, what the show is,

00:29:12.509 --> 00:29:15.649

<v Katie>what the content is, our personality and that might be

00:29:15.649 --> 00:29:18.589

<v Katie>messy you probably aren't like unless you're like

00:29:18.589 --> 00:29:21.889

<v Katie>i don't know a laundry specialist selling washing machines you

00:29:21.889 --> 00:29:24.909

<v Katie>probably don't want piles of laundry behind you but that doesn't mean that you

00:29:24.909 --> 00:29:29.589

<v Katie>don't want some of your personality or you know maybe it's like your you know

00:29:29.589 --> 00:29:34.309

<v Katie>your kid pops in and that's okay like i think it is the opportunity to allow

00:29:34.309 --> 00:29:38.189

<v Katie>people to come into our space and to welcome people into our space so whatever

00:29:38.189 --> 00:29:40.729

<v Katie>that means for you is what your podcast set should look like.

00:29:41.578 --> 00:29:45.318

<v Doc>Yeah, that's super funny because I was just thinking about our other Paul,

00:29:45.478 --> 00:29:47.738

<v Doc>who is the appliance repair guy.

00:29:47.998 --> 00:29:50.658

<v Doc>For him, laundry in the set might actually be good.

00:29:51.598 --> 00:29:54.638

<v Katie>Tons of laundry on your set, Paul. Tons of laundry on your set.

00:29:54.658 --> 00:29:56.778

<v Doc>Oh my God, that's super funny. That's super funny. All right,

00:29:56.838 --> 00:29:58.998

<v Doc>let's go to the next one. Let's go to the next one. Let's see what else we got.

00:29:59.178 --> 00:30:00.958

<v Doc>This is cool. Well, this one

00:30:00.958 --> 00:30:07.698

<v Katie>Is great because Doc just redid this studio space, but I really wanted to include Liz in here.

00:30:07.818 --> 00:30:11.798

<v Katie>So shout out to Liz Wilcox, an incredible email specialist. You should absolutely

00:30:11.798 --> 00:30:16.178

<v Katie>check out her show, The Email Sound Booth, which is absolutely incredible.

00:30:16.418 --> 00:30:21.338

<v Katie>But what's really neat about this is that Liz has a very distinct personality.

00:30:21.678 --> 00:30:27.298

<v Katie>And Liz does not want to be professional. She notably wants to be semi-professional.

00:30:27.518 --> 00:30:31.058

<v Katie>She wants to come across as approachable. She wants for it to feel very real.

00:30:31.298 --> 00:30:34.558

<v Katie>And so, you know, but she's got a personality.

00:30:34.718 --> 00:30:37.418

<v Katie>And so she's really welcomed this personality into her space.

00:30:37.418 --> 00:30:41.818

<v Katie>And Doc helped her put all of those pieces behind.

00:30:41.998 --> 00:30:47.398

<v Katie>So this set looks really simple, but it's really intentional with everything

00:30:47.398 --> 00:30:52.358

<v Katie>from the colors to each individual piece of artwork hanging on the walls to everything, right?

00:30:52.538 --> 00:30:57.018

<v Katie>But it's also easy enough that she can just walk in, turn everything on, and go.

00:30:58.438 --> 00:31:02.618

<v Katie>And it was a child's bedroom beforehand with wallpaper and everything else.

00:31:02.838 --> 00:31:07.578

<v Katie>So anything else you want to add here, Doc? I mean, each thing is so personal.

00:31:08.398 --> 00:31:15.218

<v Doc>Again, what is so incredible about this particular setup in general is when

00:31:15.218 --> 00:31:20.658

<v Doc>you see what she came away with, what she started with, let me be dead serious.

00:31:20.778 --> 00:31:24.078

<v Doc>Honestly, we didn't have to do anything to this. We could have left it the way

00:31:24.078 --> 00:31:30.678

<v Doc>it was because she had a 2017 Core i5 iMac.

00:31:31.802 --> 00:31:38.442

<v Doc>That sure is new, but everything else, a Logitech C910, not 2010.

00:31:39.062 --> 00:31:41.902

<v Doc>We're talking like 2014.

00:31:42.722 --> 00:31:43.042

<v Katie>Yeah.

00:31:44.182 --> 00:31:50.602

<v Doc>With that two pieces of equipment and Ecamm Live, she produced over a half a

00:31:50.602 --> 00:31:52.162

<v Doc>million dollars in revenue.

00:31:55.262 --> 00:31:58.442

<v Doc>I am a half a million dollars in debt in this studio. though.

00:32:00.202 --> 00:32:04.662

<v Doc>So thanks for the raise, Cates. Ken, Glenn, thank you guys.

00:32:05.422 --> 00:32:09.662

<v Doc>Listen, like legit, I just want people to get that through your head.

00:32:10.082 --> 00:32:16.862

<v Doc>She had a Core i5. That means one person, don't move, no overlays,

00:32:17.702 --> 00:32:22.982

<v Doc>run Ecamm, record, and out earned everybody that we know, just about.

00:32:22.982 --> 00:32:25.642

<v Doc>So don't get crazy but now that we

00:32:25.642 --> 00:32:28.322

<v Doc>made it cute and we got her a new iMac and it

00:32:28.322 --> 00:32:31.222

<v Doc>matches her personality and the biggest thing was

00:32:31.222 --> 00:32:34.022

<v Doc>we didn't want to mess with her personality so did

00:32:34.022 --> 00:32:37.162

<v Doc>i feel weird rolling in the home depot buying a gallon of yellow paint

00:32:37.162 --> 00:32:40.462

<v Doc>absolutely but it's her deal and we

00:32:40.462 --> 00:32:43.142

<v Doc>we almost nailed the color perfectly and it was just

00:32:43.142 --> 00:32:45.922

<v Doc>one wall and then we did the accent and the paint by we

00:32:45.922 --> 00:32:50.442

<v Doc>i mean caleb caleb painted the high parts i can't reach up there so liz

00:32:50.442 --> 00:32:53.482

<v Doc>painted the low parts because i can't reach down there but it's just really

00:32:53.482 --> 00:32:57.902

<v Doc>nice and we put her posters because she's all about nsync and you know her the

00:32:57.902 --> 00:33:01.382

<v Doc>the big ass calendar was very important to her because it's how she explains

00:33:01.382 --> 00:33:05.202

<v Doc>to people how to plan out their stuff and it's very simple and it's on a rolling

00:33:05.202 --> 00:33:09.902

<v Doc>stand family it is legit living on the rolling stand and i just think it is

00:33:11.022 --> 00:33:14.902

<v Doc>incredible it's absolutely incredible and it's so her and she says it has to

00:33:14.902 --> 00:33:17.322

<v Doc>be me i have to feel like me when I'm in here.

00:33:17.802 --> 00:33:21.342

<v Doc>And that's why I think going back to what we said, and again,

00:33:21.502 --> 00:33:23.302

<v Doc>no hate on the green screen people.

00:33:23.642 --> 00:33:26.742

<v Doc>It's not you. It's the green screen. This is her.

00:33:27.702 --> 00:33:32.442

<v Katie>Yeah, it absolutely is. And I love that you told that story because I think

00:33:32.442 --> 00:33:37.402

<v Katie>it's really, again, this is a great example of the gear doesn't matter in this space.

00:33:37.402 --> 00:33:41.802

<v Katie>What makes her feel creative and allow her to come to the next level of her

00:33:41.802 --> 00:33:43.442

<v Katie>business isn't the gear.

00:33:43.682 --> 00:33:48.122

<v Katie>It's making a space that she feels creative in, that she feels like she can

00:33:48.122 --> 00:33:49.622

<v Katie>come in and create and spend time.

00:33:49.702 --> 00:33:52.602

<v Katie>And she was already making the content. It was already working,

00:33:52.602 --> 00:33:56.782

<v Katie>but being able to infuse it with her personality and kind of creating this set

00:33:56.782 --> 00:34:01.242

<v Katie>space, it is only going to help her get better and is only going to help make

00:34:01.242 --> 00:34:04.402

<v Katie>her feel and be much more creative, right?

00:34:04.502 --> 00:34:07.362

<v Katie>So I think it's hugely important to call that out.

00:34:08.422 --> 00:34:10.302

<v Katie>All right, over to the next one.

00:34:11.182 --> 00:34:11.982

<v Doc>That's so good

00:34:13.231 --> 00:34:19.611

<v Katie>So I love these examples. And Doc was kind enough to introduce me to Brandon

00:34:19.611 --> 00:34:25.011

<v Katie>and to Uncensored, S-E-N-S-O-R-E-D, Uncensored.

00:34:25.231 --> 00:34:25.791

<v Doc>Camera censored.

00:34:25.851 --> 00:34:29.951

<v Katie>Camera censored. But I have been noticing, and I'm sure many of you have as

00:34:29.951 --> 00:34:38.591

<v Katie>well, this trend of really beautiful, really well-produced in-person studio spaces, right?

00:34:38.591 --> 00:34:44.211

<v Katie>So these are spaces where they are not just bringing remote people in using Ecamm.

00:34:44.311 --> 00:34:50.331

<v Katie>They're actually welcoming guests and co-hosts and partners physically into their space.

00:34:50.411 --> 00:35:00.951

<v Katie>So everything here is expensive, is intentional, but it is creating a very welcoming space, a vibe.

00:35:00.951 --> 00:35:06.911

<v Katie>Like every single detail is captured so that the audience watching and listening

00:35:06.911 --> 00:35:10.651

<v Katie>feel like they're in like a television production, right?

00:35:10.751 --> 00:35:14.551

<v Katie>And you can see like as this is playing out, they're using, their producer is

00:35:14.551 --> 00:35:17.251

<v Katie>using camera switching and camera angles, right?

00:35:17.411 --> 00:35:23.131

<v Katie>So this is a full production, but again, makes sense for their show.

00:35:23.251 --> 00:35:31.051

<v Katie>And the entire set is a studio, right? It feels like you're being welcomed into a TV studio.

00:35:31.291 --> 00:35:36.831

<v Katie>So there's a lot of intentionality that goes into this, not only in the actual

00:35:36.831 --> 00:35:40.531

<v Katie>physical elements of things that are behind them, but also in how the show is

00:35:40.531 --> 00:35:43.751

<v Katie>structured, the camera switching, the flow of the show, all of it.

00:35:43.891 --> 00:35:47.011

<v Katie>So again, this makes sense for some people.

00:35:47.071 --> 00:35:51.791

<v Katie>It may not make sense for you, but there are lots of options out there for how

00:35:51.791 --> 00:35:56.131

<v Katie>to do these kinds of things, both in painting your room, bringing in furniture,

00:35:56.291 --> 00:35:59.671

<v Katie>but also even in the production aspects of this show, right?

00:35:59.831 --> 00:36:03.771

<v Katie>So what they're doing with the, with each of the scenes that they're showing

00:36:03.771 --> 00:36:07.391

<v Katie>is very different than a lot of the shows like ours, where it's a straight up,

00:36:07.651 --> 00:36:11.851

<v Katie>you know, for the most part, it's either screen sharing or camera sharing and whatever else.

00:36:11.951 --> 00:36:14.391

<v Katie>So worth, worth highlighting.

00:36:16.913 --> 00:36:20.413

<v Doc>You know, listen, Jeremy just brought up a really good question,

00:36:20.433 --> 00:36:25.053

<v Doc>and it has to do sort of, in a way, if you look at JP and Brandon,

00:36:25.053 --> 00:36:27.113

<v Doc>or like even Marshall, they see me.

00:36:27.473 --> 00:36:30.973

<v Doc>So Marshall loves a warm tone. I prefer cool tones.

00:36:31.293 --> 00:36:36.213

<v Doc>Also, I like a darker studio. They like a brighter studio. And I have an intention

00:36:36.213 --> 00:36:37.553

<v Doc>behind my darker studio.

00:36:37.673 --> 00:36:40.633

<v Doc>I don't know if I've ever shared this with anybody, but I'll give you my intention

00:36:40.633 --> 00:36:42.073

<v Doc>behind having a darker studio.

00:36:42.653 --> 00:36:47.853

<v Doc>I am six hours behind you guys. so nine times out of ten when you're watching

00:36:47.853 --> 00:36:55.993

<v Doc>me at what is my say one o'clock it's 8 p.m to you 9 p.m to you guys so my room

00:36:55.993 --> 00:37:00.453

<v Doc>is nighttime because the majority of my audience is watching me at night you're

00:37:00.453 --> 00:37:03.993

<v Katie>Also removing the time from your space completely right so even if it is daytime.

00:37:03.993 --> 00:37:10.573

<v Doc>We don't have any windows yeah i don't have any windows right so um also jeremy

00:37:10.573 --> 00:37:14.613

<v Doc>this is because I did this for a profession, so I understand these things.

00:37:14.833 --> 00:37:19.993

<v Doc>This space is an 8x8 with very crappy ventilation.

00:37:20.313 --> 00:37:25.153

<v Doc>So if I make it camera bright, I will melt in here.

00:37:25.293 --> 00:37:28.853

<v Doc>I am a fat dude. I will be just liquid sweat.

00:37:29.273 --> 00:37:37.073

<v Doc>So I intentionally have a 200-watt that is about 50 inches away from me at a

00:37:37.073 --> 00:37:39.413

<v Doc>45-degree. I have a 60 watt.

00:37:39.613 --> 00:37:43.253

<v Doc>That's about 30 something inches away from me at a 45 degree.

00:37:43.453 --> 00:37:45.673

<v Doc>And I have that right there.

00:37:45.973 --> 00:37:51.433

<v Doc>Believe it or not, that is a thousand watt light, but it's on like 1%.

00:37:52.173 --> 00:37:54.553

<v Doc>And then there's another one right here above me.

00:37:55.493 --> 00:37:59.433

<v Doc>That's a 60 watt and it's on 10%. The purple one is a 60 watt.

00:37:59.593 --> 00:38:02.873

<v Doc>And then there's a bunch of lights. And then I have my Gobi lights are accidentally

00:38:02.873 --> 00:38:06.113

<v Doc>turned off i mean scream deck it but um i

00:38:06.113 --> 00:38:08.993

<v Doc>have over 18 lights in here and most people would

00:38:08.993 --> 00:38:12.153

<v Doc>never know that because i have everything properly

00:38:12.153 --> 00:38:14.913

<v Doc>controlled because i come from video world like

00:38:14.913 --> 00:38:18.313

<v Doc>i know how to i film for movies so like i know what i'm doing but

00:38:18.313 --> 00:38:21.793

<v Doc>you don't have to get that crazy i'm not telling anyone i have lights inside

00:38:21.793 --> 00:38:26.913

<v Doc>my tool chest like i don't expect people to go that psycho um but if you want

00:38:26.913 --> 00:38:31.473

<v Doc>and i realized i had a blackout because normally the mixer is on back there

00:38:31.473 --> 00:38:34.733

<v Doc>just so that it provides a little additional lighting. But yeah,

00:38:34.833 --> 00:38:35.973

<v Doc>you don't have to go that crazy.

00:38:36.193 --> 00:38:40.373

<v Doc>It's just something to let people know that hopefully that turns on.

00:38:41.153 --> 00:38:46.673

<v Doc>Anyway, so yeah, I did it dark on purpose so that way I could be anywhere in

00:38:46.673 --> 00:38:49.073

<v Doc>the world at any time and then it feels like it's normal.

00:38:49.353 --> 00:38:54.413

<v Doc>So yeah, that was the position in behind me doing it this way. Yeah. I have a dark soul.

00:38:55.013 --> 00:38:55.613

<v Katie>I have a dark soul.

00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:02.659

<v Katie>But again, like it just speaks to the intention. There is no right or wrong.

00:39:02.839 --> 00:39:06.079

<v Katie>There is only what is right and wrong for you, for your show,

00:39:06.339 --> 00:39:10.699

<v Katie>your audience, and your content, right? What you're creating.

00:39:10.939 --> 00:39:13.859

<v Katie>So what makes sense for Doc isn't going to make sense for me,

00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.219

<v Katie>isn't going to make sense for Marshall, isn't going to make sense for Luis.

00:39:17.399 --> 00:39:22.539

<v Katie>Like it's all different, which is why it's important to know what your options

00:39:22.539 --> 00:39:26.919

<v Katie>are. And it's also important to not just directly copy what someone else is

00:39:26.919 --> 00:39:30.079

<v Katie>doing, but think through the like why behind what they're doing and the why

00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:31.479

<v Katie>behind what you're trying to do. Right.

00:39:31.659 --> 00:39:37.039

<v Katie>So like I think personalizing it and but also making it really practical and

00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:40.499

<v Katie>really easy for you to create in that space, I think are important.

00:39:40.499 --> 00:39:46.819

<v Doc>And also, if you look at my studio or DJ Rob's studio, we are the right level

00:39:46.819 --> 00:39:53.459

<v Doc>of high yellow that warm studio would make us look like we have jaundice or spray tan like 47.

00:39:54.379 --> 00:39:59.459

<v Doc>So I can't really do the warm tone thing. If I was a shade darker or a shade

00:39:59.459 --> 00:40:00.999

<v Doc>lighter, I might be able to pull it off.

00:40:01.319 --> 00:40:05.279

<v Doc>But Puerto Rican and warm tones can go wrong.

00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:08.719

<v Doc>And Rob and I are about the same temperature of Puerto Rican.

00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.259

<v Doc>So it just doesn't match right like even Brandon is

00:40:15.459 --> 00:40:18.539

<v Doc>golden looking because of the warm tone right

00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:23.319

<v Doc>so again that's his choice and it matches with the red so if he went cool he

00:40:23.319 --> 00:40:27.519

<v Doc>would look purple which would look odd so yeah it's just really a matter of

00:40:27.519 --> 00:40:34.339

<v Doc>choice it kind of looks like casino well in Hawaii people call Vegas the ninth

00:40:34.339 --> 00:40:38.519

<v Doc>island so that would be close that makes sense No, I'm a DJ,

00:40:38.859 --> 00:40:41.879

<v Doc>so to me, it just brings out my DJ vibes.

00:40:43.479 --> 00:40:46.399

<v Katie>Awesome. All right, let's swing into the next one.

00:40:48.959 --> 00:40:50.879

<v Doc>It's right when we get on Nikon Noobs.

00:40:52.699 --> 00:41:00.959

<v Katie>So this is another creator that, again, has an incredible in-person studio set, right?

00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:06.259

<v Katie>So this is David Chance, and his podcast, again, is done in studio.

00:41:06.259 --> 00:41:10.279

<v Katie>And all of the elements that are in and around him are intentional and they

00:41:10.279 --> 00:41:12.119

<v Katie>make sense for the show and they make sense for him.

00:41:12.299 --> 00:41:16.639

<v Katie>And when he has people join him on the show, they don't call in remotely.

00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:18.559

<v Katie>They physically come into the studio.

00:41:18.819 --> 00:41:22.179

<v Katie>I think Ken and Glenn were like the one of the few that actually just called

00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:23.219

<v Katie>in remotely to join them.

00:41:23.319 --> 00:41:27.219

<v Katie>But the mass majority of people are there in the same space with him.

00:41:27.379 --> 00:41:29.359

<v Katie>And that is like how the show functions.

00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:33.279

<v Katie>And there is an intentionality behind it. Again, he's using colored lighting.

00:41:33.499 --> 00:41:37.459

<v Katie>His set is darker, like what yours is like, Doc, So it, um,

00:41:38.168 --> 00:41:41.888

<v Katie>I think it really does like a nice job. And we're seeing more and more of this now.

00:41:42.028 --> 00:41:46.308

<v Katie>Like people are really investing in these very, in many cases,

00:41:46.488 --> 00:41:51.288

<v Katie>like expensive, but well-defined really like television sets is what we're really like.

00:41:51.568 --> 00:41:52.328

<v Doc>I have a question, Kate's.

00:41:52.368 --> 00:41:56.908

<v Katie>Really looks that way. I mean, fair. I, I'm just saying like.

00:41:57.108 --> 00:41:59.628

<v Doc>I'm not picking, I mean, seriously, because I want to know what you think that

00:41:59.628 --> 00:42:04.528

<v Doc>means because I want to see what, okay. You think differently than me.

00:42:04.568 --> 00:42:08.188

<v Doc>I come from the studio space. so everything that's available to consumers right

00:42:08.188 --> 00:42:12.668

<v Doc>now is super cheap to me yeah right so i'm just curious and it wasn't even a slight

00:42:12.668 --> 00:42:15.508

<v Katie>I guess i guess what i'm what i'm trying to say

00:42:15.508 --> 00:42:18.228

<v Katie>is like look so like what i am

00:42:18.228 --> 00:42:24.628

<v Katie>i am doing right now in my home studio is costing me maybe five hundred dollars

00:42:24.628 --> 00:42:29.468

<v Katie>at the absolute max right so like i'm using an existing room i like i have the

00:42:29.468 --> 00:42:33.148

<v Katie>room decorated how i want the room to be it also happens to look good on camera

00:42:33.148 --> 00:42:36.728

<v Katie>i have pretty affordable like like, cheaper, quote-unquote,

00:42:36.908 --> 00:42:39.308

<v Katie>gear, like, I have kind of simplified it down.

00:42:39.628 --> 00:42:44.248

<v Katie>Whereas the Amesbury studio space, you know, that was certainly a few thousand

00:42:44.248 --> 00:42:45.588

<v Katie>dollars, right? Like, we had— Oh.

00:42:45.588 --> 00:42:46.088

<v Doc>Yeah, we spent money.

00:42:46.228 --> 00:42:49.228

<v Katie>We spent money, right? So, like, and that's not even in counting the gear.

00:42:49.368 --> 00:42:52.968

<v Katie>That's, like, we hired an interior designer to come in and, like,

00:42:52.988 --> 00:42:54.248

<v Katie>help us think through the space.

00:42:54.648 --> 00:42:58.708

<v Katie>There's, like, elements outside what you see on video that, you know,

00:42:58.848 --> 00:43:00.288

<v Katie>that are part of that room itself.

00:43:00.288 --> 00:43:05.888

<v Katie>And similarly, if you are going to be building out an in-person recording studio

00:43:05.888 --> 00:43:11.528

<v Katie>like this, you need to think through that the furniture,

00:43:12.108 --> 00:43:17.008

<v Katie>the lighting, the gear, everything that comes into it.

00:43:17.028 --> 00:43:22.028

<v Katie>Plus, this is probably in a separate space from any of their homes,

00:43:22.088 --> 00:43:23.808

<v Katie>right? This is like a separate defined space.

00:43:23.948 --> 00:43:27.508

<v Katie>It's similar to an office. so there's a lot of additional costs that go into

00:43:27.508 --> 00:43:32.488

<v Katie>this above and beyond turning one of your rooms or a shared space into a recording

00:43:32.488 --> 00:43:35.328

<v Katie>space right so they like there's just a higher level,

00:43:36.128 --> 00:43:38.968

<v Katie>intentionality right where there's like they're they're spending.

00:43:38.968 --> 00:43:41.728

<v Doc>More money right don't tell

00:43:41.728 --> 00:43:44.528

<v Doc>him i said this i hate to agree with marshall but if i

00:43:44.528 --> 00:43:48.268

<v Doc>was david i would definitely swap out the fake plants for real friends for some

00:43:48.268 --> 00:43:52.448

<v Doc>reason with this exact lighting i can fully tell that they're fake and i would

00:43:52.448 --> 00:43:55.968

<v Doc>just get real plants and those kind of succulents like the one in the back they're

00:43:55.968 --> 00:44:00.148

<v Doc>next to impossible to kill the big snake plant that he has that's a fake plant

00:44:00.148 --> 00:44:02.348

<v Doc>also next to impossible oh yeah i

00:44:02.348 --> 00:44:04.708

<v Katie>Have one so if i have one anyone can have.

00:44:04.708 --> 00:44:09.728

<v Doc>One yeah i would rather see and again that's a good idea people if you're going

00:44:09.728 --> 00:44:13.988

<v Doc>to put them and it's in focus enough that you can tell that they're fake because

00:44:13.988 --> 00:44:17.968

<v Doc>i used to have the what i used to call the effing ficus behind me and i just

00:44:17.968 --> 00:44:23.628

<v Doc>got rid of it because it just looked dumb and it's also collect dust and stuff really bad for the,

00:44:23.708 --> 00:44:25.808

<v Doc>unless you're the type of person who's going to go wipe all your leaves,

00:44:25.928 --> 00:44:27.168

<v Doc>they easily collect dust.

00:44:27.168 --> 00:44:29.708

<v Doc>So I was just like, I'm over it. So the ones we have in Amesbury,

00:44:30.309 --> 00:44:33.689

<v Doc>The big sucking thing that me and Kim kept moving from room to room,

00:44:34.189 --> 00:44:36.009

<v Doc>like, it's a fig tree, I think.

00:44:36.409 --> 00:44:40.989

<v Doc>Like, that thing is beautiful. And something about that little extra piece of

00:44:40.989 --> 00:44:42.689

<v Doc>life adds something to the studio.

00:44:42.969 --> 00:44:47.629

<v Doc>So go to Home Depot or Michael's or wherever you go. I don't know if Michael

00:44:47.629 --> 00:44:48.789

<v Doc>sells plants. I'm not from there.

00:44:48.949 --> 00:44:53.169

<v Doc>I just tell them I need something that you can't kill that's green.

00:44:53.509 --> 00:44:58.449

<v Doc>And they will hook you up with some plants that, you know, basically won't die.

00:44:58.449 --> 00:45:02.549

<v Doc>And all you need to do is hit them with a spritz like every six months and they're good.

00:45:03.049 --> 00:45:06.249

<v Doc>So yeah, I think it's very, very, very important.

00:45:06.469 --> 00:45:10.669

<v Doc>And like you said, honestly, if I'm looking at his studio right now and I know

00:45:10.669 --> 00:45:14.049

<v Doc>that there's a Rodecaster Pro, I know that there is a Mac Mini and I know that

00:45:14.049 --> 00:45:17.709

<v Doc>there's two SMBs and a couple of light stands, this is under two grand.

00:45:18.449 --> 00:45:20.309

<v Doc>So yeah, that's fair.

00:45:20.489 --> 00:45:24.989

<v Katie>I guess it depends on, so it seems to me like if they're doing this show on

00:45:24.989 --> 00:45:28.969

<v Katie>a regular basis, they actually have guests that are physically coming into their

00:45:28.969 --> 00:45:31.209

<v Katie>space, that means that it's probably not in their home, right?

00:45:31.389 --> 00:45:32.929

<v Katie>And also, if you're using- Oh.

00:45:32.929 --> 00:45:33.189

<v Doc>It's not. It's in his office.

00:45:33.429 --> 00:45:39.229

<v Katie>Right? And if you're using a sofa like that, which I am more and more a giant fan of, right?

00:45:39.629 --> 00:45:46.249

<v Katie>It's A, it's not a cheap sofa. And B, it means that that sofa is likely not

00:45:46.249 --> 00:45:49.789

<v Katie>used for anything else other than these shots, right?

00:45:49.909 --> 00:45:53.349

<v Katie>Because you're not going to be constantly moving all of that gear out of the

00:45:53.349 --> 00:45:55.249

<v Katie>way so that you can enjoy that to watch the game, right?

00:45:55.349 --> 00:45:59.449

<v Katie>Like, that's not happening. So that is incurring additional cost,

00:45:59.509 --> 00:46:00.889

<v Katie>right? Because it's not a shared space.

00:46:01.009 --> 00:46:05.389

<v Katie>Whereas like, I could probably set up a, you know, on the sofa that I have in

00:46:05.389 --> 00:46:09.789

<v Katie>here, a camera angle, it would take up some of my room, but I could probably

00:46:09.789 --> 00:46:12.469

<v Katie>still use that to like lounge or read or whatever else.

00:46:12.549 --> 00:46:15.389

<v Katie>But I wouldn't do that down in my library because we're in that space all the

00:46:15.389 --> 00:46:17.329

<v Katie>time as a family, we're inviting people in.

00:46:17.509 --> 00:46:23.429

<v Katie>So like it, there are costs that are incurred with where your set is and,

00:46:23.789 --> 00:46:27.849

<v Katie>you know, and you really should be thinking about trying to keep it stuff out of the way.

00:46:28.069 --> 00:46:32.029

<v Katie>Like, right. So it like in that you don't want to be constantly messing with

00:46:32.029 --> 00:46:33.429

<v Katie>your gear and moving it all around.

00:46:33.629 --> 00:46:38.129

<v Katie>Ideally it's, it's in a place where you can just leave it or it folds away like

00:46:38.129 --> 00:46:41.569

<v Katie>quickly and you can pop it back up quickly, but it's still in the same space.

00:46:41.709 --> 00:46:44.989

<v Katie>So I think that's where the, it, in my mind, it's more of an,

00:46:45.469 --> 00:46:48.069

<v Katie>it's more of an investment to create a defined space like that.

00:46:48.189 --> 00:46:51.589

<v Katie>If you're welcoming people in, because it's likely not in your home and you're

00:46:51.589 --> 00:46:56.329

<v Katie>monopolizing that entire space for just this particular purpose.

00:46:56.349 --> 00:46:59.489

<v Katie>You're not using all of that furniture for more than one thing.

00:47:00.289 --> 00:47:04.429

<v Doc>Yeah, very good. All right, let's go to the next. I like this.

00:47:07.912 --> 00:47:12.772

<v Doc>And again, that means you guys don't forget to drop your questions in. That was it.

00:47:12.992 --> 00:47:14.712

<v Katie>I was going to say, we might be at the last one.

00:47:15.452 --> 00:47:19.392

<v Doc>The only thing I have is DJ Rob's photo, which I'll put up right now.

00:47:19.812 --> 00:47:20.212

<v Katie>Okay, great.

00:47:20.412 --> 00:47:22.632

<v Doc>Awesome. Yeah, I was going to say, let's show Rob's.

00:47:25.112 --> 00:47:28.672

<v Katie>So, I mean, we've covered a lot, and I know we're nearing the end of this episode

00:47:28.672 --> 00:47:33.592

<v Katie>anyway, but it is, again, important just as a summary to remember that there's

00:47:33.592 --> 00:47:35.172

<v Katie>no wrong when it comes to podcast sets.

00:47:35.392 --> 00:47:38.732

<v Katie>There are a ton of different options available to you. You can be as simple

00:47:38.732 --> 00:47:47.832

<v Katie>as just a simple background or as complicated as building out an entire defined studio space.

00:47:47.832 --> 00:47:51.652

<v Katie>But what you really want to be thinking about is whether or not you have guests

00:47:51.652 --> 00:47:55.572

<v Katie>that are coming physically in and out of your space. Are you calling people in?

00:47:55.672 --> 00:47:58.232

<v Katie>Is it just you on camera? Are you standing or sitting?

00:47:58.752 --> 00:48:01.392

<v Katie>How are you sharing? These are the things that you need to be thinking about

00:48:01.392 --> 00:48:04.872

<v Katie>when it comes to your set and how you're recording video.

00:48:05.072 --> 00:48:10.692

<v Katie>I love this. of raw like it's a vibe right like he's got a whole vibe it's.

00:48:10.692 --> 00:48:14.112

<v Doc>Rob so it has to be a vibe let's just start but it should be like

00:48:14.112 --> 00:48:20.452

<v Katie>He's not he's not scared by incorporating his personality into this space and

00:48:20.452 --> 00:48:24.952

<v Katie>it's really done well with the use of like lights and light and color it like

00:48:24.952 --> 00:48:31.432

<v Katie>it creates an experience right and this experience cannot be faked with a virtual background right,

00:48:32.112 --> 00:48:33.852

<v Katie>And very intentional.

00:48:33.912 --> 00:48:39.052

<v Doc>By the way. So when Rob was planning his space out, I'm going to speak out of

00:48:39.052 --> 00:48:41.392

<v Doc>turn. Rob, if I say anything wrong, you can fix it in the comments.

00:48:41.732 --> 00:48:42.172

<v Katie>Correct us.

00:48:42.352 --> 00:48:48.012

<v Doc>Rob was in the Facebook group for a couple of months collecting thoughts and

00:48:48.012 --> 00:48:52.612

<v Doc>ideas and trying different things until he's like, okay, I'm ready.

00:48:52.772 --> 00:48:54.312

<v Doc>And then he built the studio.

00:48:54.492 --> 00:48:59.632

<v Doc>So everything in here has a full intention and a full purpose.

00:48:59.632 --> 00:49:05.312

<v Doc>And you can tell that by the studio it is borderline

00:49:05.312 --> 00:49:06.272

<v Katie>Perfect yeah.

00:49:06.272 --> 00:49:10.392

<v Doc>I don't want to give him that much credit because he's my friend but it also

00:49:10.392 --> 00:49:12.212

<v Doc>wasn't borderline perfect

00:49:12.212 --> 00:49:18.552

<v Katie>It also wasn't overnight so again hear that but also here it he was months in

00:49:18.552 --> 00:49:24.532

<v Katie>the facebook group sharing updates asking for feedback like it so it's never

00:49:24.532 --> 00:49:28.652

<v Katie>it's probably never done it's okay to start at any point,

00:49:28.912 --> 00:49:32.252

<v Katie>it's okay to continue to make tweaks and changes throughout.

00:49:32.492 --> 00:49:39.132

<v Katie>So this is an art form. This is not like a spreadsheet.

00:49:39.332 --> 00:49:43.452

<v Katie>This is a work of art right behind you. This is not something where you're like, I'm all done.

00:49:44.012 --> 00:49:47.032

<v Katie>It's something that is going to grow and change and you're going to realize

00:49:47.032 --> 00:49:51.772

<v Katie>that something is working or not working or you see another idea that might

00:49:51.772 --> 00:49:53.772

<v Katie>make more sense for you than what you have right now.

00:49:53.912 --> 00:50:01.532

<v Katie>So don't overthink it, but always be playing with it. Like always be creative in this space.

00:50:01.712 --> 00:50:04.432

<v Katie>Like this is half the fun is giving a personality to your content.

00:50:06.283 --> 00:50:15.823

<v Doc>Yo, this is so good. Listen, I just want to say the level of dope that this is, is just incredible.

00:50:16.003 --> 00:50:19.783

<v Doc>And again, so much attention to detail, so much things. And again,

00:50:19.903 --> 00:50:22.743

<v Doc>as you add things, you can add things, you can take away things.

00:50:22.963 --> 00:50:26.543

<v Doc>I love one thing that's super unique, and I want you to notice this.

00:50:26.843 --> 00:50:30.523

<v Doc>He's using what you guys might consider a non-traditional mic,

00:50:30.683 --> 00:50:35.383

<v Doc>but from this audiophilia, we know what it is.

00:50:35.383 --> 00:50:39.563

<v Doc>But for the general population, that's going to be something that catches their

00:50:39.563 --> 00:50:43.843

<v Doc>eye because everybody's used to SM7B or an MV7 or some other weird thing.

00:50:44.103 --> 00:50:46.663

<v Doc>But, you know, he has his mic there.

00:50:47.223 --> 00:50:50.763

<v Doc>The lava lamp goes to show that we are DJs of a certain vintage.

00:50:50.983 --> 00:50:52.723

<v Doc>Thank you for representing Rob.

00:50:53.303 --> 00:50:58.503

<v Doc>I love the lava lamp. And again, Jeremy, so you'll notice, like I said, Rob and I are similar.

00:50:58.803 --> 00:51:03.183

<v Doc>We are the perfect shade of high yellow that warm tones would look weird on us.

00:51:03.283 --> 00:51:06.323

<v Doc>It will almost make us look sick. so we lean into

00:51:06.323 --> 00:51:09.283

<v Doc>the to the cool tones and again that's

00:51:09.283 --> 00:51:12.003

<v Doc>just something you figure out and listen you know

00:51:12.003 --> 00:51:14.763

<v Doc>how i know these things because i asked my friend who's a

00:51:14.763 --> 00:51:17.423

<v Doc>makeup artist and she told me and then

00:51:17.423 --> 00:51:20.823

<v Doc>she was like yeah you should do it this way so ask her

00:51:20.823 --> 00:51:23.583

<v Doc>you know people in your area that know something about

00:51:23.583 --> 00:51:26.303

<v Doc>makeup and lighting and skin and you know you could you

00:51:26.303 --> 00:51:29.623

<v Doc>have resources people you absolutely have resources and

00:51:29.623 --> 00:51:32.343

<v Doc>we katie and i were struggling in the

00:51:32.343 --> 00:51:35.023

<v Doc>office trying to make everything cute and then

00:51:35.023 --> 00:51:38.763

<v Doc>it's like oh we have a interior designer

00:51:38.763 --> 00:51:42.383

<v Doc>in our midst why are we struggling when

00:51:42.383 --> 00:51:48.363

<v Doc>we have a professional that's like the other end of the dining room table so

00:51:48.363 --> 00:51:53.103

<v Doc>you have to use the resources you have if there's something that comes up and

00:51:53.103 --> 00:51:57.623

<v Doc>it requires some engineering uh why would we sit there and fake it when we have

00:51:57.623 --> 00:51:58.903

<v Doc>an engineer in the family

00:51:59.563 --> 00:52:03.643

<v Doc>Right so use those resources that

00:52:03.643 --> 00:52:06.903

<v Doc>are available to you in if possible

00:52:06.903 --> 00:52:10.263

<v Doc>and one last thing that i would throw in that

00:52:10.263 --> 00:52:15.543

<v Doc>if you are in your area and i want you to hear this because we met a bunch of

00:52:15.543 --> 00:52:21.663

<v Doc>people at pod fest who do this um i met a lovely couple and i'll never forget

00:52:21.663 --> 00:52:24.383

<v Doc>the guy's name is botter because it's almost like water but what would it be

00:52:24.383 --> 00:52:27.303

<v Doc>uh him and his wife and a wife named Blythe,

00:52:27.903 --> 00:52:29.643

<v Doc>nicest people ever.

00:52:29.883 --> 00:52:34.763

<v Doc>They started a, a, uh, Jack's podcasters for Jacksonville podcasters.

00:52:35.023 --> 00:52:39.663

<v Doc>And so now that they know all of the people they could, this is a Hawaii word

00:52:39.663 --> 00:52:42.823

<v Doc>who eat together means like team up or like make like a co-op,

00:52:43.023 --> 00:52:46.983

<v Doc>like, like, you know, the, the people do for the farms out there,

00:52:46.983 --> 00:52:51.343

<v Doc>you can find a spot and maybe put it together as a co-op.

00:52:51.443 --> 00:52:55.103

<v Doc>And in fact, you can write to your chamber comments in your local area and possibly

00:52:55.103 --> 00:52:59.663

<v Doc>get to grant because there are some places who need studios

00:53:00.531 --> 00:53:04.571

<v Doc>legal offices, hospitals, whatever. But they're never going to build one because

00:53:04.571 --> 00:53:06.631

<v Doc>they don't have anybody on staff that will build one.

00:53:06.811 --> 00:53:09.411

<v Doc>And then you can maybe say, here I'll do.

00:53:09.731 --> 00:53:13.991

<v Doc>I'll take this room that you're using as a closet and I'll build it into a studio

00:53:13.991 --> 00:53:17.111

<v Doc>that we can use for the community to come and podcast.

00:53:17.271 --> 00:53:21.031

<v Doc>But it's going to be great for you as a business. When you guys need to do high

00:53:21.031 --> 00:53:26.691

<v Doc>level Zoom calls, you have a nice, beautiful setup studio and we'll help maintain it.

00:53:28.531 --> 00:53:32.491

<v Doc>And if this works because that's how we started our first co-working space before

00:53:32.491 --> 00:53:33.851

<v Doc>I had a physical co-working space.

00:53:34.011 --> 00:53:39.091

<v Doc>We literally started in the basement of a hospital in an old records room because

00:53:39.091 --> 00:53:41.071

<v Doc>they had fast internet. That's the only reason why we went there.

00:53:41.371 --> 00:53:45.811

<v Doc>And that room was empty doing Jack. And they're like, yeah, and we need to do

00:53:45.811 --> 00:53:49.151

<v Doc>videos here and there to do remote consultations.

00:53:49.331 --> 00:53:53.511

<v Doc>And so we solved their IT struggles and then they solved our space struggles.

00:53:53.671 --> 00:53:56.351

<v Doc>So get creative you know if you can't do

00:53:56.351 --> 00:54:00.891

<v Doc>this in your home get creative and if you're doing something for a non-profit

00:54:00.891 --> 00:54:05.171

<v Doc>or you have a thing that you're working on there's so many grants out there

00:54:05.171 --> 00:54:09.071

<v Doc>you know the dude with the question mark suit martin matthew lesko whatever

00:54:09.071 --> 00:54:13.591

<v Doc>the heck his name is you could ask chat gbt can i get a grant that helps people

00:54:13.591 --> 00:54:16.251

<v Doc>learn about old frying pans and then you might be surprised

00:54:17.923 --> 00:54:18.543

<v Katie>Awesome.

00:54:18.863 --> 00:54:21.383

<v Doc>I got one question. Let's get this taken care of real quick.

00:54:21.843 --> 00:54:26.503

<v Doc>Ed wants to know, when using a landscape format, how do you make them in the

00:54:26.503 --> 00:54:31.523

<v Doc>vertical clips when sending them to Opus Clips? Opus does it automatically.

00:54:31.983 --> 00:54:34.063

<v Doc>So in Ecamm, you can just send it.

00:54:34.543 --> 00:54:38.163

<v Katie>This is actually a really good question though. And I have been thinking about this a lot.

00:54:38.403 --> 00:54:41.783

<v Katie>So in this current setup, because we've been making a bunch of updates to the

00:54:41.783 --> 00:54:45.083

<v Katie>flow, but in this current scene that you're looking at, right,

00:54:45.083 --> 00:54:49.663

<v Katie>We have a pretty chunky background image around us, and we have our names on

00:54:49.663 --> 00:54:53.223

<v Katie>it, and we have a lot of visual elements in this scene, right?

00:54:53.343 --> 00:54:59.523

<v Katie>So when Opus does its Opus thing and smooshes us into a vertical and stacks

00:54:59.523 --> 00:55:04.043

<v Katie>us, there's all these graphic elements around us that Opus doesn't really know

00:55:04.043 --> 00:55:07.643

<v Katie>what to do with and candidly doesn't do a great job of dealing with, right?

00:55:07.783 --> 00:55:10.943

<v Katie>Opus just really wants us to be a simple side-by-side video.

00:55:11.163 --> 00:55:15.503

<v Katie>So, Ed, you are absolutely right. I would say that I've been thinking more and

00:55:15.503 --> 00:55:21.103

<v Katie>more about actually simplifying this layout to remove our names,

00:55:21.503 --> 00:55:26.583

<v Katie>to maybe make this background a little less chunky, so that A,

00:55:26.703 --> 00:55:31.583

<v Katie>it's just cleaner and a little bit more focused for people who are watching, and B.

00:55:32.123 --> 00:55:33.883

<v Katie>It'll make it a lot easier to repurpose.

00:55:33.883 --> 00:55:39.503

<v Katie>So you are right in this landscape format. I actually think we are overdoing

00:55:39.503 --> 00:55:40.883

<v Katie>it a little bit on the branding.

00:55:41.043 --> 00:55:43.523

<v Katie>Like we were trying to show like all the cool things that Ecamm can do.

00:55:43.783 --> 00:55:48.423

<v Katie>But I think more and more like this, the content of this podcast is really meant

00:55:48.423 --> 00:55:52.383

<v Katie>to be conversational, community driven, informative.

00:55:52.663 --> 00:55:55.383

<v Katie>And so I do actually think in this case, it's probably a little bit of a distraction.

00:55:55.383 --> 00:55:58.463

<v Katie>So it would both, I think, make the content better, make the show better,

00:55:58.463 --> 00:56:01.563

<v Katie>and then also make it way easier to use tools like Opus Clip.

00:56:01.563 --> 00:56:06.443

<v Katie>So that's my answer as I've been having those same thoughts on actually like

00:56:06.443 --> 00:56:11.383

<v Katie>where by overproducing it in the recording, we're making it a little bit more

00:56:11.383 --> 00:56:14.363

<v Katie>complicated for us to repurpose it without it looking a little bit bonkers.

00:56:15.682 --> 00:56:22.502

<v Doc>And so my counterpoint to that is on short form clips, it's the content.

00:56:22.782 --> 00:56:24.502

<v Doc>Nobody gives a damn what it looks like. True.

00:56:24.862 --> 00:56:31.462

<v Doc>Have you seen TikTok and wrinkle cam and like 75 million views on a crusty?

00:56:31.602 --> 00:56:37.882

<v Doc>I took the video with my thumbprint on the FaceTime camera, 75 million views.

00:56:38.282 --> 00:56:42.942

<v Doc>True. We are telling ourselves lies so that we don't have to create content.

00:56:43.582 --> 00:56:46.762

<v Doc>I can't get it perfect, so I'm not going to put it out there.

00:56:47.662 --> 00:56:51.302

<v Doc>Nobody cares because half the time they're going to listen to it on the captions

00:56:51.302 --> 00:56:58.522

<v Doc>only because they can't have the volume up because they're in the doctor's office or it's 30 seconds.

00:56:58.682 --> 00:57:02.882

<v Doc>And we're telling them how if you were to go to this particular thing right

00:57:02.882 --> 00:57:09.162

<v Doc>now, you would increase your success rate by 25 percent. It's going to require these steps.

00:57:09.362 --> 00:57:13.382

<v Doc>Step A, step B, step C. If you do that, I guarantee you, you're going to make

00:57:13.382 --> 00:57:15.402

<v Doc>$10,000 as soon as this video is over.

00:57:15.622 --> 00:57:18.302

<v Doc>You know what? You don't care if the video looked like this.

00:57:19.802 --> 00:57:20.242

<v Katie>True.

00:57:20.702 --> 00:57:23.962

<v Doc>I'm just saying, like, so you're not wrong at all, Katie.

00:57:24.182 --> 00:57:29.002

<v Doc>From a visual perspective, yes, it would be prettier without. But...

00:57:29.429 --> 00:57:35.109

<v Doc>If anything we learned about short form video, it do not have to be cute at

00:57:35.109 --> 00:57:37.569

<v Doc>all. But yes, this is a bad layout for Opus.

00:57:37.989 --> 00:57:41.749

<v Doc>So they're both to be cute. Now, we shoot ISOs.

00:57:42.009 --> 00:57:46.669

<v Doc>So it would take more work, but we already have the ISOs. You can just throw

00:57:46.669 --> 00:57:48.609

<v Doc>the ISOs at Opus and that's fine.

00:57:48.849 --> 00:57:53.369

<v Doc>And then in an upcoming release, we are going to make it so that you can have

00:57:53.369 --> 00:57:54.989

<v Doc>a separate vertical recording.

00:57:55.069 --> 00:57:58.449

<v Katie>Yeah, exactly. So there are lots of solutions.

00:57:58.449 --> 00:58:01.269

<v Katie>But I just wanted to just point

00:58:01.269 --> 00:58:03.909

<v Katie>out that like these are all absolutely things that we should all be

00:58:03.909 --> 00:58:07.109

<v Katie>thinking about and there's nothing stopping us from testing

00:58:07.109 --> 00:58:11.829

<v Katie>it and making tweaks and changes so like you're you are right it's a great question

00:58:11.829 --> 00:58:15.169

<v Katie>and it's something that we should all be kind of considering like how as doc

00:58:15.169 --> 00:58:20.549

<v Katie>said how important are those clips is it wasting time to try to make them perfect

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<v Katie>or do they need to be perfect like all of these things are things we should

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<v Katie>be testing and I would produce.

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<v Doc>10 messy ones as opposed to one perfect one

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<v Doc>now the other thing that nobody seems to get through their head you do not have

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<v Doc>to make it vertical you can for what we're doing which is talking heads there

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<v Doc>is no detail being shown on screen put the entirety Paul 16 by 9 in the middle

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<v Doc>and put the caption in the space underneath

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<v Katie>Yep and.

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<v Doc>Put a backup element in the top. That is the best way to do it because we're not doing you.

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<v Doc>I'm not over here showing you how to put the super glue on this one little piece right here.

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<v Katie>No one's following along.

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<v Doc>Katie and I having a conversation. So put the entirety of the thing there.

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<v Doc>That is it. Everybody is over complicated. And if you, uh, you know who does

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<v Doc>this really well? Zaley.

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<v Doc>So put the nine, the 16 by nine here and another picture at the top caption

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<v Doc>at the bottom, a whole bunch of people do it, but hers just came to mind.

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<v Doc>That's the best way to do it.

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<v Doc>Unless you're trying to show off how to put together a lens or something,

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<v Doc>you don't need to push it. As a matter of fact, it's probably better if you don't push it.

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<v Katie>That's very, very true. Awesome. We did it. We learned a ton about podcast sets.

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<v Doc>Yo. In there like a show. Man, we nailed it again. All right,

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<v Doc>This was an awesome episode, Kate. It was really cool. And I can't believe we

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<v Doc>made it through a hundred shows.

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<v Katie>Happy 100. And thank you so much to all of our Flowriders for being with us

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<v Katie>through the last hundred episodes.

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<v Katie>It's your great questions and ideas and just general awesomeness that keeps

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<v Katie>us motivated and excited. So huge thank you to all of you.

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<v Doc>And thank you to Smart Jeremy.

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<v Katie>Thank you to Smart Jeremy. Huge thank you to Luis, our incredible producer,

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<v Katie>and Paul and Caleb and the whole team.

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<v Katie>We really appreciate it. And as Doc said, like, really, we are always open to

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<v Katie>hearing questions and ideas for future episodes.

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<v Katie>But we have some fun things coming up in the next few weeks for you.

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<v Katie>So definitely be sure to check us out.

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<v Doc>There you go. There you go. I was just letting Rob know we're coming to NAB.

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<v Doc>So he's going to have to sneak out of his house this time. Come and visit.

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<v Doc>And me and Paul are going to be there. So one for us and one for the old guy.

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<v Doc>Come hang out. Anyway, love you guys. We're going to say this like we always do.

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<v Doc>Flo Riders, for the 100th time, out!

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<v Katie>Out! Bye, everyone.

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