The Flow: Episode 97 - Podfest 2025 Recap & Takeaways

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<v Doc>Aloha, Flo Riders, and welcome to this edition of The Float.

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<v Doc>I am your co-host, Doc Rock, along with my awesome co-host.

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<v Katie>Hey, everyone. It's Katie.

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<v Doc>Everyone, it's Katie. It's still good. We got a special edition of The Float

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<v Doc>today. We just came back from Podfest.

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<v Doc>I call it Pod Freeze, but that's a whole different subject.

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<v Doc>I went to Florida, and H-E double hockey sticks froze over because it snowed.

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<v Doc>So there is that.

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<v Doc>All right. so let's dive in let's get into it um we're gonna bring on our producer

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<v Doc>luis yeah because he was also there hanging out with us and then yeah we'll just get to it

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<v Katie>Yeah and so we should we should back up and say just for i think most of you

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<v Katie>have been our our fans of the show and are part of our flow rider crew but if

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<v Katie>you are not or you're popping in or you're just listening to this is your first episode.

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<v Katie>The three of us and some awesome other partners in crime just got back from PodFest,

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<v Katie>which is a huge podcasting event that brings together podcasters from all over

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<v Katie>the world and from every possible industry and from all levels, from those who are like,

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<v Katie>I think I might want to podcast to those who have been podcasting for 20 plus years.

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<v Katie>So it was a really incredible event. We built out a entire podcasting studio

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<v Katie>space that we called Unstuck Studios because Doc and Mary Lou have an incredible

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<v Katie>show all about how to get unstuck, creators unstuck.

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<v Katie>And so, yeah, it was a great experience. And I just want to say,

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<v Katie>as someone who is mid-level technical, I'm going to own my mid-level technical ability.

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<v Katie>I was really relieved to have both Doc and Luis there because we definitely

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<v Katie>had some tech challenges on the first day, so it was great to be able to work

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<v Katie>through those and get those solved.

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<v Doc>That is so true. Oh my God. So, but you know,

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<v Doc>man, I don't want to skip way, way, way ahead, but I definitely would say one

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<v Doc>of the cool things that came out about that, those technical challenges is it

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<v Doc>showed what find your calm,

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<v Doc>solve for X, keep going.

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<v Doc>And we were able to do that with a combination of Ken, Luis,

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<v Doc>Alicia, yourself, myself, myself, me, whatever.

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<v Doc>Anyway, the fact that we came up with a whole game plan and then it just worked

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<v Doc>and everybody was about that life. So, yeah, it was really cool.

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<v Luis>Execution was key.

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<v Katie>Execution was key. Absolutely. So what bogged us down, just in case.

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<v Doc>I executed those burgers in that bar down the street.

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<v Katie>That's the important part, right? Work hard, play hard. That's what I'm a big believer of.

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<v Katie>What ended up happening was, so Doc and team have done this setup before.

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<v Katie>I wasn't there for Podcast Summit last July.

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<v Katie>And at that event, what was really cool is that, so as many of you know,

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<v Katie>what's neat about Ecamm is that you can connect just about any piece of tech

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<v Katie>to it to be able to use in your production.

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<v Katie>But what people really liked in that event was that you could just plug your

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<v Katie>phone in and use your phone as a camera, which is probably for most of us,

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<v Katie>the best possible camera we have at hand, literally at hand and ready to go.

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<v Katie>So we, so that was our plan for this event was just to be able to have phones ready.

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<v Katie>So phone stands ready so that people could just see how easy it was to connect

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<v Katie>their phone in and be able to use it.

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<v Katie>And Doc and Louise were both like, we should also have camo ready to go and

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<v Katie>installed in case people,

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<v Katie>you know, because continuity camera can cause issues sometimes right yeah

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<v Katie>huge thank thank you to eden for helping us get set up and what

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<v Katie>we didn't expect because there's always something you do

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<v Katie>not expect or think of is that the rented macbooks that we chose and um and

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<v Katie>brought in and the team installed ecamm on all of them and set everything all

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<v Katie>up uh they had some kind of i don't know issue of some sort that wouldn't allow

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<v Katie>the phones to show to connect in so there was all these like weird security issues

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<v Doc>There are two different issues of the m2 macbook pros and some of them were

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<v Doc>on sonoma and the other ones were on whatever the heck the new thing is that

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<v Doc>we're using now why do my brain not know that we're talking what is it called

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<v Doc>now it's not called sonoma sequoia i

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<v Katie>Was gonna say as something it's a forest then

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<v Doc>I for me as a mac guy not to just pull sequoia out of my head i am definitely

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<v Doc>on the wrong time zone because I know they can get that.

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<v Doc>So yeah, the ones that were on Sonoma kind of just worked and the ones that were on Sequoia didn't.

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<v Doc>So they were kind of like, you know, sort of half, half, half. But

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<v Doc>Louise had the brilliant idea, hey, call Eden.

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<v Doc>So I was like, yeah, let's call Eden. So I just called her right then,

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<v Doc>and I was like, yo, Eden, listen up. This is what we need.

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<v Doc>And she was like, okay, cool. And then we did it.

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<v Doc>The best part about the camo setup, Eden, Eden is a legend.

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<v Doc>That was the best. What's the password? Every time I had to type it in,

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<v Doc>Eden is a legend. I'm cracking up laughing.

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<v Doc>I was like, this girl, this is my homie right here. This is why we get along.

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<v Katie>But yes so a couple things i want to call out though about because i think that this is like

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<v Katie>hopefully helpful for for you whether or not you are

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<v Katie>a podcast from home person or you are on the road or you're at an event or you

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<v Katie>are building out like a podcasting studio somewhere else it what was really

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<v Katie>smart and what i'm always so like grateful to the team for being on top of is

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<v Katie>that we actually intentionally brought less stuff this time, right?

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<v Katie>We were renting a lot of stuff. We had this very simple setup.

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<v Katie>We had done it before. So it was a tried and true. We knew what worked that

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<v Katie>time. We replicated that.

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<v Katie>But Doc and I and Luis, all still, because we are pros, we filled our bags with

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<v Katie>some small cameras just in case, right?

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<v Katie>Just in case someone had a question about ObSpot cameras, which we use all the

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<v Katie>time, right? They're tiny.

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<v Katie>Some of them are literally called tiny. We threw those into the bag so that

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<v Katie>we would have those just as a backup and be able to show them off at our demo

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<v Katie>station, which was separate from the event.

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<v Katie>What ended up happening was it was way easier for us because we had built in

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<v Katie>that contingency plan to just set up the booths with these cameras.

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<v Katie>So we were able to have those cameras as an option and people loved getting

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<v Katie>to ask questions about different kinds of cameras. Luis had his whole setup.

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<v Doc>What is that little thing? What is this little thing? That little thing looked

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<v Doc>this good? And we're like, yeah, actually you're using the Meet 2 right now, right?

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<v Katie>Yeah, I'm using the Meet 2 right now. And as we were doing this event,

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<v Katie>OBSPOT had just released the Meet SE and the Tiny SE, which are even cheaper

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<v Katie>versions of the cameras that we are using.

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<v Katie>And that's not to say, So like, again, Ecamm works with all of these different things.

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<v Katie>And some people were still able to connect their phones and use their phones,

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<v Katie>but it was a little bit more difficult than we expected, right?

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<v Katie>Some people wanted to be able to test out the different cameras.

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<v Katie>Some people wanted to be able to understand how Camo worked.

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<v Katie>And we were able to provide all of it to people and with still a pretty minimal setup. So it's...

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<v Katie>I, the more I spend time with Doc and Louise and the more that I do these kinds of things,

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<v Katie>what I, I'm actually starting to like the tech challenges or the things that

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<v Katie>go wrong because I'm still not great.

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<v Katie>I was definitely the most stressed because I just wanted to close the door,

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<v Katie>solve the problem and then reopen the door rather than just get it fixed.

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<v Katie>And Doc is like, no, we'll just fix it.

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<v Katie>But it's in those moments where you kind of force yourself through those situations

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<v Katie>and see what everyone's different solutions are and work through it that the

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<v Katie>next time you're going to know what to do in that case.

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<v Katie>And so if we're not in those situations, we don't know how to deal with those situations.

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<v Katie>So it's important. I think it's incredibly important to sort of remain calm.

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<v Katie>And no one thought we were less professional because we had tech challenges

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<v Katie>and worked through them.

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<v Katie>Everyone raved about the overall experience in the studio.

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<v Luis>Liked it.

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<v Doc>In a way, I think they liked it. Okay, so let's wrap this around one of Doc's

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<v Doc>weird analogies, because this is what I do.

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<v Doc>Back in the day, you know what Subaru commercial would be like?

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<v Doc>Here's a scene, wet icy road, ambulance, police cars, and then they show the

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<v Doc>back of the ambulance and there's the mom and the baby safe in the back of the

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<v Doc>ambulance just basically checking vitals.

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<v Doc>And the dad is like, thank God it was a Subaru. Right.

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<v Doc>What make, look, anybody can get anti-lock brakes.

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<v Doc>Anybody can get airbags. Anybody can get heated seats. Oh, trust you me.

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<v Doc>I was in love with heated seats this weekend.

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<v Doc>Always thought they were stupid. I live in Hawaii. Like who the hell needs to

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<v Doc>heat their ass? I tell you what, I needed it when it was 18 degrees in Florida.

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<v Doc>But when you see that safety after a crisis, that triggered a lot of people

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<v Doc>to know that, you know, Subaru was a very, you know,

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<v Doc>well-constructed vehicle, especially because it doesn't race in the top,

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<v Doc>you know, off the top of the tongue situations like your Chevys,

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<v Doc>your Buicks, so forth. I didn't say Buick, but you know what I mean.

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<v Doc>So for people to see a challenge and see us undo that challenge right there

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<v Doc>and do it calmly and smoothly, I think that makes them feel like,

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<v Doc>wow, that was really easy to solve this problem.

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<v Doc>So sometimes a lot of our guys under this perfectionism thing are trying to hide from the mistakes.

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<v Doc>I think it's better. And I always let people see mine and they see me solve

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<v Doc>the mistakes so they can see how

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<v Doc>easy it is because no one cares what the software does when it's working.

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<v Doc>How do you make it come back to life when it's not working? Right.

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<v Doc>And so when I worked at Apple, when we had really, really easy repairs,

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<v Doc>I would tell the guys, do it on the bar and not in the genius room.

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<v Doc>And they were like, why? Because I want people to see how fast we do it.

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<v Doc>So they have trust in what we're doing. When you go off into that little secluded

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<v Doc>room in the back and there's a steel door with a combination lock,

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<v Doc>it's a little like, what are they doing with my thing back there?

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<v Doc>So I would often swap hard drives or change top cases, you know,

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<v Doc>the keyboard thing right on the desk at the genius bar. So people can be like,

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<v Doc>oh, that's what it looks like inside.

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<v Doc>And they would be so excited and they would see me vacuum out the cat hairs and everything.

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<v Doc>And it gave them a certain feel and deeply connected them with the brand.

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<v Doc>So don't be afraid of your mistakes.

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<v Luis>I actually like the fact that each challenge is like a puzzle.

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<v Luis>So, you know, like it's like a jigsaw that you're trying to figure out and you're

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<v Luis>trying to see how everything goes.

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<v Luis>And once you fix it, you get that sense of satisfaction, which is really cool.

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<v Luis>But also for the people that were there experiencing to see that as well.

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<v Katie>Absolutely.

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<v Doc>Yeah, 100%. But you know what was really cool, Luis, again, it had to do with

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<v Doc>the whole concept of solving on the fly.

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<v Doc>And like Katie said, we all had our additional cameras and things with us.

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<v Doc>One thing which kind of blew my mind and I think is also part of the problem as well.

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<v Doc>We don't really know exactly what was the problem, but I think another thing

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<v Doc>that was part of the problem. I'm very, very finicky about my USB cables and USB adapters.

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<v Doc>And the brand that I normally use was out of stock. So I got an additional brand

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<v Doc>which looks very similar. It seemed like they were the same thing.

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<v Doc>They're not, right? So I use either JS AUX or South Sun, really weird names, but they just work.

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<v Doc>And I think that maybe even the adapters, because Luis had mentioned this,

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<v Doc>that the The telephone adapter wasn't as legit as the ones we got at camp,

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<v Doc>which I bought directly from you, Lonzi.

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<v Doc>So that also could have been part of the problem. You know what I mean?

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<v Doc>Yeah, but problems cause solutions,

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<v Luis>Right? Because what I feel that we learned in this one was me being able to do both.

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<v Luis>I was there at Podcast Summit in Atlanta and now in Orlando that we spent a

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<v Luis>good 10, maybe 15 minutes connecting people's phones.

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<v Luis>You know like actually walking them through that process

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<v Luis>before we were able to hit record but once

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<v Luis>we kind of figured out the problem that

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<v Luis>the cables or the connectors were giving us issues and we went to the cameras

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<v Luis>it became a much more like turn and burn type of process where people were just

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<v Luis>able to hop into a booth and just say press record and as soon as you're done

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<v Luis>we're airdropping the files back to you so you can walk away with your.

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<v Doc>First ever podcast that bar blew people's mind yeah and that's

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<v Doc>what like you get the files right now absolutely here you

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<v Doc>go they're like oh my god this is so cool um i

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<v Doc>wanted to say two things number one i see andrew moon

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<v Doc>came to visit us and we just missed him but we saw him which was super cool

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<v Doc>thank you mooney good to see you brother and eden eden said i used to get nervous

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<v Doc>but hanging out with doctors helped me reframe my mindset each bump in the road

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<v Doc>is a great experience and proof to myself that i can problem solving to go.

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<v Doc>I want to highlight this, Eden.

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<v Doc>And the reason for this is I was talking sort of after action with Alicia in

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<v Doc>our gold training group this weekend.

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<v Doc>And I had said to her what was like her biggest takeaway from doing the event with us. And she said,

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<v Doc>I know more than I thought I knew. And I just love that.

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<v Doc>Because it's so easy to sell yourself short when you're doing these things.

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<v Doc>And Brandon and I were just fighting about imposter syndrome like an hour ago on the call.

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<v Doc>I'm like, bro, you're not trying to be somebody else and you ain't sick.

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<v Doc>So stop saying that crap.

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<v Doc>But it does come from this feeling that we all get sometimes like,

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<v Doc>am I going to be able to do this?

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<v Doc>Do I really know how? And then sometimes the only way to do it is to put yourself

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<v Doc>in a situation where you can actually do what you need to do.

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<v Doc>And one of my trainings when I was in the army is we'd be doing practice missions

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<v Doc>and going along and they would purposely throw curves in the road to see how

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<v Doc>you problem solve because those things come up in a real conflict.

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<v Doc>Right so they would just do random things like you

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<v Doc>know wet the roads or put oil slick on

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<v Doc>the road you know come no kitty litter like how you guys going to get through

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<v Doc>this problem in this particular situation or they would sneak up behind us and

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<v Doc>steal all the ammo and be like okay now what you're going to do and so those

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<v Doc>things really do help and as much as people practice things in their

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<v Doc>Situation you should ask yourself what happens if i'm live and the mic drops

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<v Doc>out what are you going to do? I know what I'm going to do.

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<v Doc>I have a backup USB mic right here.

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<v Doc>Always somewhere. I could just grab another mic and go to town.

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<v Doc>Right. What are you going to do if your camera all of a sudden flips out?

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<v Doc>I got backup, backup camera right here, sitting on the desk,

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<v Doc>ready to go. So what are your, what are your, some of your other options?

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<v Doc>Should you run into a problem?

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<v Doc>Right. And you, you have to solve for X.

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<v Doc>So there you go. Thank you, Stevie.

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<v Doc>Good to see you here, brother and just to add to that it's funny i don't know

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<v Doc>the right response to thank you for your service but i know everybody means

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<v Doc>it when they say it but then i always feel like just you know i i i did it because

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<v Doc>i was trying to go to college for free but thank you i appreciate it though well

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<v Luis>I was just gonna add to that doc because i actually had one of my channel members

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<v Luis>uh mentioned this to me that one of the things that they value the most when

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<v Luis>they watch me do my lives is the fact that whenever I do come across a problem,

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<v Luis>I show them real time how I, you know, like take care of that problem and never

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<v Luis>get flustered in the fact, right?

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<v Luis>Like microphone drops out. Don't think that the whole show's over.

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<v Luis>Just grab your backup, put it on. And as soon as you go, you know,

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<v Luis>you're good, continue the show.

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<v Luis>So that's one thing that was mentioned to me recently, which is I think very

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<v Luis>important to always demonstrate.

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<v Doc>Yes. I do say, Katie, as much as you can go into your Katie mode,

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<v Doc>you actually are much better at it now as the experience comes from show to

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<v Doc>show to show, right? Yeah.

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<v Doc>Like the ability to stay calm and say, you know what? I think we got this.

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<v Doc>Let's just do so and so and so.

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<v Doc>And so how do you think you've been able to get better at it?

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<v Katie>And I mean, honestly, just going through it.

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<v Katie>So it's, and going through it with people around me.

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<v Katie>And I don't always mean like on the show or in the event with me,

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<v Katie>but there are go-to people that I know I can watch their content,

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<v Katie>call them, text them, you know, jump in a chat with them, whatever,

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<v Katie>to ask like how to do something or to get advice on how I could have done something

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<v Katie>different on the other side, right?

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<v Katie>So it's just that it's the act of going through it.

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<v Katie>And inevitably, we're all going to go through it if we're in this video production space, right?

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<v Katie>Whether you're live streaming, you're recording or whatever,

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<v Katie>there's a mic that's going to fail, you're going to be on mute,

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<v Katie>you're, you know, a guest going to call in, you know, Stevie was saying in the

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<v Katie>comments here, like, he's got a he's, you know, got an echo or some audio feedback

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<v Katie>that is popping up, right?

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<v Katie>Like, it, you're going to have to go through it.

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<v Katie>And And then you're going to have to stay calm, as calm as you can,

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<v Katie>figure out how you can solve it, understand at what point you might not be equipped

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<v Katie>yet to solve it and know what your contingency plan is.

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<v Katie>So if I'm alone on a stream and I've tried the things that I know that might

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<v Katie>solve it and nothing is working, I will at that point now call that and say,

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<v Katie>hey, I'm having this kind of issue.

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<v Katie>I want to respect everyone's time. I'm going to reschedule this or I'm going

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<v Katie>to release this later. Thank you so much for all your patience.

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<v Katie>And then I know who the people are that I'm going to reach out to and say, hey, this happened.

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<v Katie>I tried XYZ thing. Please walk me through what you would have done differently or what you think.

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<v Katie>So that you need to understand what the solution is, but you also need to understand

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<v Katie>what the troubleshooting process is.

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<v Katie>And I don't think there's a good way to learn that other than going through

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<v Katie>it, picking up some tips.

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<v Katie>And also having a conversation afterwards to diagnose what you did,

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<v Katie>whether or not that was the right thing to do, or there's other recommendations.

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<v Katie>And you need to pick up those people in your space that can talk that through with you.

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<v Katie>So instead of being like, you know, I tried everything and I can't figure out

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<v Katie>how to do it, like I've gotten better at being like, I tried...

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<v Katie>This, this, and this specific thing, and it didn't work, what would you have done in this situation?

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<v Katie>So that someone can actually give you their advice and their help versus you

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<v Katie>coming at them with just like, you're, you know, beside yourself and you're,

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<v Katie>you're frustrated, whatever else. And you're like, I did everything I could,

00:20:03.122 --> 00:20:03.882

<v Katie>you know, I could think of.

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<v Katie>Like, you're not going to get the help you need. You need to give the specific,

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<v Katie>the specific steps of things you tried.

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<v Katie>But all, again, all of that comes with experience. I'm now five years in.

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<v Katie>I spend a lot of time with, you know, with Ken and Glenn and Doc and Luis and,

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<v Katie>you know, and a ton of other people around me that are better at lots of things

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<v Katie>that I'm that are not my skill set that I'm learning. So it takes time.

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<v Katie>And what I wanted to ask you back,

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<v Katie>both of you, is what were some of the questions or the recurring themes,

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<v Katie>I guess, that you saw coming into that space as people were popping in?

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<v Katie>Other than what is this magical space?

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<v Katie>What was on the other side of what is that magical space?

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<v Katie>As people were kind of coming in the events. What were the themes that you saw

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<v Katie>over and over again that this year's event people were looking for asking about,

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<v Katie>you know, talking about as they were coming into the space?

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<v Luis>You want to say that?

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<v Doc>Yeah, yeah. I'm laughing at Stevie. Stevie's killing me in the comments.

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<v Doc>Thank you brother so the thing that i love the most and it had happened several times

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<v Doc>is okay like i know i need to get into this

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<v Doc>video thing i'm a little scared of or i

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<v Doc>just don't want to do video but my

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<v Doc>co-host is making me try it okay cool sit down

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<v Doc>let me show you what we do and so we sat him down

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<v Doc>i had this really cute i was gonna say couple but they're

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<v Doc>a mom and dad couple um sorry i take that

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<v Doc>pair a dad and a daughter couple yeah and the

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<v Doc>the daughter was like bring the dad the dad was

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<v Doc>like you know paul's vintage maybe a

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<v Doc>little older he's like i don't want to do video it's so much harder i feel like

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<v Doc>it's going to be a waste blah blah blah i was like all right don't worry pops

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<v Doc>you sit down we got you so he sits down and then i was like this is all we're

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<v Doc>going to do and i showed them i connected camera and i used the tail air in

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<v Doc>that particular situation and I set up the two mics and I was like, okay, here you go.

00:22:14.422 --> 00:22:18.302

<v Doc>And then they started doing their interview. And so basically they interview

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<v Doc>each other and it's really cool concept of their show.

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<v Doc>And when it was over, the dad was like, wait, these are my files? Yes.

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<v Doc>And so I can like just take this and send it to our YouTube channel.

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<v Doc>Yeah, it's ready. It's already done. Like you really don't have to edit because

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<v Doc>we went down that linear path that I showed you.

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<v Doc>And he was like, oh my God, that was fun. Can we do it again?

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<v Doc>And I just thought it was the dopest thing. He came in kicking and screaming,

00:22:45.465 --> 00:22:48.285

<v Doc>just like Tor thinks I'm going to be about demarcally.

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<v Doc>Not happening. But the fact that he came in, kicking and screaming,

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<v Doc>and then after he was like, that was great. I want to do it again.

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<v Doc>And I told him, I said, the number one thing that you're going to find out is

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<v Doc>that being able to see each other face to face, which is something you can do

00:23:06.765 --> 00:23:08.225

<v Doc>in video. It's really hard to do in audio.

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<v Doc>You are going to just have a better conversation. And he was like,

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<v Doc>yeah, I kind of felt that. So it was just really great.

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<v Doc>It was really great just watching people click when they realize video does not have to be hard.

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<v Doc>And that Ecamm can simplify this process. That was cool. And now we're getting

00:23:26.045 --> 00:23:29.105

<v Doc>emails of this is the episode that we shot in the pods.

00:23:29.285 --> 00:23:32.285

<v Doc>And so I get to see, I get to go watch the episode on YouTube.

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<v Doc>And the people are just having fun.

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<v Doc>To me, that was great. What about you, Elle?

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<v Katie>I think when you quiet the noise, and I mean this metaphorically as well as

00:23:43.545 --> 00:23:49.665

<v Katie>physically, what was cool about those nooks is that when you were in them, it was this quiet space.

00:23:50.325 --> 00:23:55.005

<v Katie>All of the tech that I think gets in the way of people creating was already

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<v Katie>done. So they could just sit down and focus on the content and the conversation and the people.

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<v Katie>And I think that really was magical and important for us all to remember that

00:24:06.405 --> 00:24:12.405

<v Katie>we're all metaphorically and actually getting so distracted with all the tech

00:24:12.405 --> 00:24:15.625

<v Katie>and all the features and all the cool things that we often forget,

00:24:15.625 --> 00:24:18.225

<v Katie>like the actual conversation, the actual content,

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<v Katie>like what makes all of this fun.

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<v Katie>And so, sorry, Luis, I just, yeah, I completely agree with what Doc said.

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<v Katie>It was cool to just see people connecting.

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<v Luis>Yeah. One thing that I noticed, which was actually before they were connecting

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<v Luis>and getting into the booth, where Alicia had mentioned this on Saturday,

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<v Luis>how many excuses people were coming up with. Right.

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<v Luis>And the reason why I bring that up is because right away when they were first

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<v Luis>curious about what we were doing, excuse me, we explained that,

00:24:50.247 --> 00:24:52.607

<v Luis>hey, you can record your podcast right here on the spot.

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<v Luis>And that's what I noticed that the excuses came up right away. Oh, like, I'm not ready.

00:24:57.707 --> 00:25:00.767

<v Luis>I'll have to go back to the room where I have to do this or I have an event

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<v Luis>and I'm going to get lunch. And we heard it all.

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<v Doc>But is that an earthquake? Did you feel that?

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<v Katie>Exactly.

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<v Luis>We heard it all. Like we're in Florida, like earthquakes. But the thing is that

00:25:12.747 --> 00:25:16.907

<v Luis>I also saw that what Doc saw that some of them actually got past that.

00:25:17.067 --> 00:25:20.947

<v Luis>And then once they realized that it was easy, that it made the experience different.

00:25:20.947 --> 00:25:25.767

<v Luis>And I think that's because of what we mentioned before. we gave everybody there

00:25:25.767 --> 00:25:29.387

<v Luis>the experience of being on a podcast as a guest right.

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<v Katie>As a guest yeah

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<v Luis>Where you didn't have to think about the tech or do anything just literally

00:25:34.047 --> 00:25:39.227

<v Luis>sit down record the conversation and then it was completed and we were able

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<v Luis>to show people how easy you can do that with ecamm which is what doc was saying

00:25:43.527 --> 00:25:47.247

<v Luis>about like the spark in their mind and then how how they enjoyed it so much

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<v Luis>that they wanted to do it again yeah.

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<v Doc>You know what was really cool Ellen, you just made me think of something so,

00:25:53.307 --> 00:25:57.647

<v Doc>so, so much at that particular time. There was a girl named Katrina.

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<v Doc>Come to find out her brother is actually hardcore E-cam fam.

00:26:01.647 --> 00:26:07.527

<v Doc>And so her other brother and her were just at PodFest and he was coming later.

00:26:07.827 --> 00:26:11.527

<v Doc>And so this sounds confusing, but we're going to just use A,

00:26:11.647 --> 00:26:14.827

<v Doc>B, and C. So brother C is the hardcore E-cam fam, right?

00:26:15.027 --> 00:26:17.987

<v Doc>And then A and B would be Katrina and her other brother.

00:26:17.987 --> 00:26:20.887

<v Doc>And they're just sort of new coming to check out pod

00:26:20.887 --> 00:26:24.607

<v Doc>fest and they got two different podcasters they're doing the one

00:26:24.607 --> 00:26:28.067

<v Doc>who's ecam fam was late he couldn't come into the last day so she

00:26:28.067 --> 00:26:30.827

<v Doc>was just kind of exploring like putting her toes in water trying to

00:26:30.827 --> 00:26:33.647

<v Doc>see what you're gonna do and i was like listen this is

00:26:33.647 --> 00:26:39.127

<v Doc>not that hard and what you want to do it works and torah who's in our community

00:26:39.127 --> 00:26:42.527

<v Doc>kind of does what you need to do and you guys need to know each other because

00:26:42.527 --> 00:26:46.347

<v Doc>you guys have a similar vibe and so she's like okay well i think about no no

00:26:46.347 --> 00:26:49.987

<v Doc>there's no thinking katrina you're need to go over there and sit down in the

00:26:49.987 --> 00:26:51.947

<v Doc>little box and do your first episode.

00:26:52.247 --> 00:26:54.967

<v Doc>And she was like, when? And I'm like, now? And she's like, but,

00:26:55.067 --> 00:26:58.647

<v Doc>but, but. I was like, no, but. Let's go. Let's just go in this little box and let's do this thing.

00:26:58.827 --> 00:27:02.787

<v Doc>So her and her brother sat down and she interviewed her brother and then when

00:27:02.787 --> 00:27:05.167

<v Doc>she came out she was like,

00:27:05.956 --> 00:27:09.576

<v Doc>Oh my god that was so cool and then so i

00:27:09.576 --> 00:27:15.296

<v Doc>said now listen you have this was so dope i said you have just finished your

00:27:15.296 --> 00:27:19.136

<v Doc>first episode she goes yes i said i want you to go to your room today and i

00:27:19.136 --> 00:27:22.876

<v Doc>want you to publish this here's your usb key and i want you to put it up and

00:27:22.876 --> 00:27:26.696

<v Doc>she goes yes and i go when you came here why did you come she said because i'm

00:27:26.696 --> 00:27:27.956

<v Doc>thinking about being a podcaster

00:27:28.356 --> 00:27:30.976

<v Doc>and i was like let me go ahead and anoint you so i

00:27:30.976 --> 00:27:34.216

<v Doc>hit it with the tripod on each shoulder i was like tap tap

00:27:34.216 --> 00:27:37.476

<v Doc>katrina you are a podcaster her

00:27:37.476 --> 00:27:40.436

<v Doc>brother was like oh you know the black people laugh right ah

00:27:40.436 --> 00:27:43.356

<v Doc>she just kind of did the little thing bent over

00:27:43.356 --> 00:27:46.036

<v Doc>at the waist and i was like so now when i see you when

00:27:46.036 --> 00:27:49.016

<v Doc>i walk past in the hallway you just got to yell at me i'm a podcaster and

00:27:49.016 --> 00:27:52.256

<v Doc>she she committed she committed fully committed and

00:27:52.256 --> 00:27:55.096

<v Doc>it was a dopest experience again because she

00:27:55.096 --> 00:27:58.276

<v Doc>came with a plan of learning how to become a podcaster and

00:27:58.276 --> 00:28:05.136

<v Doc>she left a podcaster yeah that was just that was glorious and so i can't wait

00:28:05.136 --> 00:28:08.456

<v Doc>um i have her email i'm gonna hook her with tara because i think they'll get

00:28:08.456 --> 00:28:12.236

<v Doc>along perfectly and they do something very similar with uh sharing their ministry

00:28:12.236 --> 00:28:17.556

<v Doc>via youtube and this is something she's getting into tara's been doing it for a while

00:28:17.996 --> 00:28:21.516

<v Doc>i'm like you guys are going to be best of friends and she i know that everyone

00:28:21.516 --> 00:28:24.736

<v Doc>at ecamp family loves to help each other out so i'm like please don't be afraid

00:28:24.736 --> 00:28:29.976

<v Doc>come and just join us and i just thought that was just super cool that was super cool yeah

00:28:29.976 --> 00:28:35.616

<v Katie>I think that was like honestly the if i if i could pick out like a theme or

00:28:35.616 --> 00:28:42.256

<v Katie>like a you know a focus for everyone it I think people are really

00:28:43.636 --> 00:28:46.636

<v Katie>overthinking all of it like it they're making

00:28:46.636 --> 00:28:49.816

<v Katie>it bigger than it needs to be they're focused on

00:28:49.816 --> 00:28:53.516

<v Katie>like all of the details that

00:28:53.516 --> 00:28:56.356

<v Katie>not that the details are irrelevant but like

00:28:56.356 --> 00:29:00.176

<v Katie>focus so much on the details that they've gotten away from like why they

00:29:00.176 --> 00:29:03.256

<v Katie>actually want to podcast and like what the content

00:29:03.256 --> 00:29:06.336

<v Katie>of the podcast is and and how to

00:29:06.336 --> 00:29:09.396

<v Katie>build and grow a show so it's

00:29:09.396 --> 00:29:12.536

<v Katie>you know they're and especially at events this is very easy to for for

00:29:12.536 --> 00:29:15.616

<v Katie>it to happen right because you're going into all these different sessions you're hearing

00:29:15.616 --> 00:29:20.936

<v Katie>all these like you know cool um you know tools and tech and and workflows and

00:29:20.936 --> 00:29:26.316

<v Katie>ways to kind of do this whole thing that I think over and over again all I was

00:29:26.316 --> 00:29:30.636

<v Katie>hearing whether it was in the sessions that we were involved in or in the studio

00:29:30.636 --> 00:29:33.516

<v Katie>itself but it It was this like, you know, like,

00:29:34.223 --> 00:29:37.783

<v Katie>Oh, I, you know, I didn't, I like, I couldn't possibly start my show right now

00:29:37.783 --> 00:29:41.403

<v Katie>because like, I didn't, you know, I, I, I don't know how to use any of this

00:29:41.403 --> 00:29:44.443

<v Katie>or like, I want to ask some questions about like the cameras or the tech first.

00:29:44.543 --> 00:29:47.203

<v Katie>It's, it is kind of, I think a crutch.

00:29:47.363 --> 00:29:50.543

<v Katie>It's once you start getting into it, it's like, what do you,

00:29:50.663 --> 00:29:55.663

<v Katie>what do you actually want to work on? What is your, what is the goal of your show?

00:29:55.883 --> 00:29:58.903

<v Katie>And we were, Doc and I were talking with Brandon Washington this morning,

00:29:59.063 --> 00:30:02.503

<v Katie>shout out to Brandon, but he was saying it just super resonated with me.

00:30:02.583 --> 00:30:05.403

<v Katie>And I think it's exactly like where many of us are at.

00:30:05.543 --> 00:30:11.163

<v Katie>And also what we were seeing at this show is that like the pre-production phase

00:30:11.163 --> 00:30:17.763

<v Katie>of your show, like is hugely important and is way more important than the production

00:30:17.763 --> 00:30:19.463

<v Katie>or the post-production.

00:30:19.463 --> 00:30:23.783

<v Katie>And especially with a tool like Ecamm, like you need to nail the pre-production.

00:30:24.083 --> 00:30:29.683

<v Katie>And so much of the pre-production is like content and like, and play.

00:30:29.803 --> 00:30:34.343

<v Katie>It's not necessarily the tech, like you need to know your plan and what you're

00:30:34.343 --> 00:30:38.583

<v Katie>going to create before you even open up Ecamm, before you think about what camera

00:30:38.583 --> 00:30:42.163

<v Katie>you need, before you think about the microphone and all the other stuff that's

00:30:42.163 --> 00:30:44.703

<v Katie>going to paralyze you in like, it feels really big.

00:30:45.103 --> 00:30:49.083

<v Katie>You need to understand like, what's your vision? What's, what is that in that,

00:30:49.403 --> 00:30:50.803

<v Katie>you know, pre-planning stage?

00:30:50.983 --> 00:30:57.203

<v Katie>And that is very easy to get, you know flustered and to feel you know like you

00:30:57.203 --> 00:31:01.183

<v Katie>and and to let all the perfectionism in right it's like oh well i can't start

00:31:01.183 --> 00:31:05.603

<v Katie>until xyz thing and like it but if you can nail that pre-production

00:31:06.103 --> 00:31:10.723

<v Katie>Space again especially for using ecamm it goes a really long way so what was

00:31:10.723 --> 00:31:15.423

<v Katie>cool was i think we actually hit our goal of creating this space of unsticking

00:31:15.423 --> 00:31:18.263

<v Katie>people and doc was doing this in his presentation too of like,

00:31:19.183 --> 00:31:23.083

<v Katie>Okay, what, like, stop lying to yourself and stop lying to us.

00:31:23.283 --> 00:31:25.903

<v Katie>What are the things that are getting in your way of doing it?

00:31:26.003 --> 00:31:31.423

<v Katie>And almost all of them were in this like pre-production space where it's like,

00:31:31.523 --> 00:31:35.183

<v Katie>you know, oh, well, you know, I, I need for it to be like perfect.

00:31:35.183 --> 00:31:38.583

<v Katie>Or I, you know, I don't know what tools to use, or I don't know what tech to

00:31:38.583 --> 00:31:40.363

<v Katie>use, or I've signed up for everything.

00:31:40.523 --> 00:31:43.243

<v Katie>And now I'm like beside myself and I have no time. I have I have no time,

00:31:43.383 --> 00:31:44.903

<v Katie>I have no budget, like all of these things.

00:31:45.828 --> 00:31:51.428

<v Katie>Could be solved in that phase if you could just like focus down and stop kind

00:31:51.428 --> 00:31:52.828

<v Katie>of making things bigger than they are.

00:31:53.208 --> 00:31:59.828

<v Doc>100%. And you know what's funny, and I feel about this is just kind of hilarious

00:31:59.828 --> 00:32:02.028

<v Doc>in the fact that, like you said,

00:32:02.408 --> 00:32:08.428

<v Doc>most of the people were semi-triggered on something that seems scary to them,

00:32:08.488 --> 00:32:10.928

<v Doc>but they hadn't actually done it yet.

00:32:10.928 --> 00:32:16.588

<v Doc>They just heard other people complain about it yeah so they adapted okay how

00:32:16.588 --> 00:32:21.408

<v Doc>does the easiest way to explain this i swear to you this happened when when

00:32:21.408 --> 00:32:24.328

<v Doc>the commercial came out about this medicine for restless leg syndrome

00:32:25.008 --> 00:32:27.888

<v Doc>All of a sudden people are like i think i got restless leg syndrome

00:32:27.888 --> 00:32:30.828

<v Doc>i'm like no you don't right um there

00:32:30.828 --> 00:32:33.708

<v Doc>was another commercial that came up about like some other

00:32:33.708 --> 00:32:36.788

<v Doc>thing and people like i think i have this i'm like no you don't you're

00:32:36.788 --> 00:32:39.568

<v Doc>watching that commercial sky rizzy or whatever the

00:32:39.568 --> 00:32:42.668

<v Doc>heck those commercials are um the worst

00:32:42.668 --> 00:32:45.728

<v Doc>and this happens a lot in content

00:32:45.728 --> 00:32:48.868

<v Doc>creative because if you go on the live or you go on the internet you

00:32:48.868 --> 00:32:52.608

<v Doc>watch other people complain about something that they just didn't do their homework

00:32:52.608 --> 00:32:57.388

<v Doc>but they might be of some position of prominence and this is what's my talk

00:32:57.388 --> 00:33:01.968

<v Doc>talk about you connor and jeff on the other day connor was saying stuff that

00:33:01.968 --> 00:33:05.068

<v Doc>i'm like connor you're making the problem worse by telling people something

00:33:05.068 --> 00:33:06.148

<v Doc>they haven't tried it yet.

00:33:06.528 --> 00:33:10.968

<v Doc>So I know you're coming from a good intention, but please don't have that conversation

00:33:10.968 --> 00:33:14.388

<v Doc>because you're going to give people a thought that they don't actually have yet.

00:33:14.428 --> 00:33:17.128

<v Doc>And then once you tell them you can't make it go away.

00:33:17.408 --> 00:33:21.428

<v Doc>And how many nights I had to sit in a room because I cracked the joke about

00:33:21.428 --> 00:33:23.268

<v Doc>monsters under the bed once to Emma.

00:33:23.468 --> 00:33:27.428

<v Doc>And then my punishment was now you got to stay your butt in here until she fall

00:33:27.428 --> 00:33:30.708

<v Doc>asleep because you're the idiot that brought up monsters under the bed.

00:33:30.988 --> 00:33:34.888

<v Doc>Prior to that, she's never scared of the dark. She's not scared of anything.

00:33:35.068 --> 00:33:39.528

<v Doc>Most fearless kid ever me and my stupid jokes one day made me have to sit there

00:33:39.528 --> 00:33:41.168

<v Doc>and watch her go to sleep for like a year

00:33:42.164 --> 00:33:44.764

<v Doc>until I can prove to her that there's no monsters under the bed.

00:33:44.944 --> 00:33:51.084

<v Doc>So be careful of adopting other people's weird idiosyncratic behaviors because

00:33:51.084 --> 00:33:54.164

<v Doc>they're just not there. So Katie is dead solid writing about that.

00:33:54.364 --> 00:34:00.964

<v Katie>Or duplicating their setups. Like if you want to talk tech, like what was incredible

00:34:00.964 --> 00:34:07.124

<v Katie>about this event and actually echoed into Doc the amazing work you did with Liz.

00:34:07.124 --> 00:34:10.664

<v Katie>So shout out to Liz Wilcox and our content launchpad winner.

00:34:11.624 --> 00:34:14.364

<v Katie>A lot of cool video footage coming your way soon in that.

00:34:14.544 --> 00:34:19.424

<v Katie>But what was a nice thread that echoed through to that is because we actually

00:34:19.424 --> 00:34:23.024

<v Katie>were trying to get rid of a lot of the tech and only have people connect with

00:34:23.024 --> 00:34:25.684

<v Katie>their phones to show them how simple it can be.

00:34:26.084 --> 00:34:34.444

<v Katie>And then that went wrong, as we said. We had these really simple webcams from OBSPOT, right?

00:34:34.544 --> 00:34:37.304

<v Katie>So we have, and they're small and they're really affordable, et cetera.

00:34:37.304 --> 00:34:41.544

<v Katie>And so what was what ended up actually being really funny was we got the same

00:34:41.544 --> 00:34:45.864

<v Katie>result from these smaller webcams because people were coming in and they were

00:34:45.864 --> 00:34:48.904

<v Katie>like, oh, I have the, you know,

00:34:49.124 --> 00:34:52.824

<v Katie>Sony ZV-E10 or I have that like whatever, you know, mirrorless camera.

00:34:53.124 --> 00:34:56.424

<v Katie>And like, but they they don't they're not like Luis. They're not taking the

00:34:56.424 --> 00:34:59.024

<v Katie>time to actually learn the nuances of the camera.

00:34:59.224 --> 00:35:03.384

<v Katie>And then they're looking at this like literally it's like this big tiny camera.

00:35:03.464 --> 00:35:08.504

<v Katie>They're like, well, like, what is that? I was like, well, that's a 4K, you know, a webcam.

00:35:08.784 --> 00:35:11.184

<v Katie>And they're like, oh, and then they sit down, they're like, oh,

00:35:11.304 --> 00:35:16.504

<v Katie>like, I'm getting like the picture quality of that one in Ecamm is like the

00:35:16.504 --> 00:35:19.184

<v Katie>same as what I'm getting out of my Sony. And it's like,

00:35:20.190 --> 00:35:23.950

<v Katie>But like, so you're, you went out and spent a whole bunch of money on this,

00:35:24.030 --> 00:35:25.110

<v Katie>like very expensive camera.

00:35:25.530 --> 00:35:30.490

<v Katie>And really, like, some of it is understanding how the tech works.

00:35:30.610 --> 00:35:33.750

<v Katie>But some of it is just being not, I don't want to say tricked,

00:35:33.930 --> 00:35:35.870

<v Katie>but like, you see what other people are doing.

00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:41.270

<v Katie>And so you think you need those ingredients in order to be successful. And you don't.

00:35:41.410 --> 00:35:44.110

<v Katie>There are people who are creating with all different kinds of stuff.

00:35:44.270 --> 00:35:47.110

<v Katie>So like, so I think it was good to be able to show that like you

00:35:47.110 --> 00:35:50.310

<v Katie>don't you don't need the most

00:35:50.310 --> 00:35:53.310

<v Katie>expensive possible studio you don't need all of these different things

00:35:53.310 --> 00:35:56.810

<v Katie>like we popped up in a conference so

00:35:56.810 --> 00:36:00.670

<v Katie>it's like noisy busy internet sucks

00:36:00.670 --> 00:36:03.350

<v Katie>not enough plugs like you know all of these

00:36:03.350 --> 00:36:06.330

<v Katie>things that went wrong and we were still able to help people record their shows so

00:36:06.330 --> 00:36:09.010

<v Katie>it i think it it was interesting to see that they

00:36:09.010 --> 00:36:12.010

<v Katie>like they could see the different cameras and the different gear and they're like and

00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:15.310

<v Katie>again the most affordable of sure microphones and

00:36:15.310 --> 00:36:18.150

<v Katie>they were like this sounds amazing we're like yep this is

00:36:18.150 --> 00:36:21.830

<v Katie>the quote-unquote cheapest one on their life like you

00:36:21.830 --> 00:36:24.670

<v Katie>don't like you can pull off a lot with a little like you

00:36:24.670 --> 00:36:27.650

<v Katie>you're overthinking all of these tech pieces and it

00:36:27.650 --> 00:36:31.210

<v Katie>carried through to liz's right because liz was saying like i don't want all

00:36:31.210 --> 00:36:35.810

<v Katie>the most expensive things like i want what works for me i want what like what's

00:36:35.810 --> 00:36:41.310

<v Katie>gonna be what works in my space and in my studio and like so i need your like

00:36:41.310 --> 00:36:45.750

<v Katie>you doc to give me recommendations on what is going to work for my needs, here they are.

00:36:45.950 --> 00:36:48.710

<v Katie>So shout out to people like Liz who are like, I get me.

00:36:49.290 --> 00:36:51.410

<v Katie>And here's what I need for my space. Yeah.

00:36:52.391 --> 00:36:56.191

<v Doc>So here's something really cool. First of all, ladies and gentlemen,

00:36:56.751 --> 00:37:00.931

<v Doc>introducing Jill Roberts, brand new community manager at EKM.

00:37:01.311 --> 00:37:05.871

<v Doc>She has something really cool to say. She goes, a phrase that teachers hate

00:37:05.871 --> 00:37:08.971

<v Doc>hearing over and over again, but it's still helpful is remember your why.

00:37:09.171 --> 00:37:11.711

<v Doc>Stay focused on your purpose and not getting stuck in details.

00:37:11.711 --> 00:37:15.711

<v Doc>And I think that's super, super important because there are people who feel

00:37:15.711 --> 00:37:19.131

<v Doc>like they need to do a podcast because everybody keeps telling them,

00:37:19.251 --> 00:37:22.431

<v Doc>but they're not necessarily understanding the why.

00:37:22.571 --> 00:37:26.151

<v Doc>And if you just do it for the sake of doing it, it's not going to come out really

00:37:26.151 --> 00:37:29.531

<v Doc>what you want. It just won't. It will miss a whole bunch of the feels.

00:37:29.811 --> 00:37:32.711

<v Doc>But if you understand why you're doing it, what your purpose is,

00:37:32.851 --> 00:37:37.311

<v Doc>you know, what value you're bringing to your community, it definitely makes

00:37:37.311 --> 00:37:40.091

<v Doc>things a heck of a lot easier.

00:37:40.691 --> 00:37:48.451

<v Doc>So I think one other thing that Podfest really, really brought to light is the

00:37:48.451 --> 00:37:54.971

<v Doc>amount of people who are realizing that this video thing,

00:37:55.211 --> 00:38:00.171

<v Doc>A, is a lot simpler than it looks, and B, there's a lot to it.

00:38:00.231 --> 00:38:03.771

<v Doc>Now, we're still at a weird catch-22, and I got to say this because we've talked

00:38:03.771 --> 00:38:05.071

<v Doc>about this on this show before.

00:38:05.071 --> 00:38:08.111

<v Doc>We've talked a lot about the standard issue

00:38:08.111 --> 00:38:11.751

<v Doc>rss feed and i understand why

00:38:11.751 --> 00:38:15.031

<v Doc>the ogs are so stuck on rss

00:38:15.031 --> 00:38:22.771

<v Doc>feed because they need those data from pod track in order for them to go and

00:38:22.771 --> 00:38:31.891

<v Doc>sell advertisements on their show yep and so what happens is you can take a look at your downloads

00:38:32.591 --> 00:38:35.631

<v Doc>But what kind of broke last year

00:38:35.631 --> 00:38:38.471

<v Doc>and well sort of the year before but carried over in the last year

00:38:38.471 --> 00:38:41.771

<v Doc>is we realize now that even with

00:38:41.771 --> 00:38:47.851

<v Doc>a company like pod track podcast statistics are heavily flawed so for instance

00:38:47.851 --> 00:38:53.571

<v Doc>i could subscribe to the eden and jill podcast it's gonna be an epic show and

00:38:53.571 --> 00:38:57.691

<v Doc>i'm about this life so i'm all up in there and i watched like five six episodes

00:38:57.691 --> 00:38:59.871

<v Doc>in a row I am super, super stoked.

00:39:00.131 --> 00:39:05.451

<v Doc>Life happens. I get busy. My phone is still downloading that episode.

00:39:05.791 --> 00:39:11.871

<v Doc>And because I love them so much, my computer is downloading that episode.

00:39:12.031 --> 00:39:14.111

<v Doc>My Apple TV is downloading that episode.

00:39:14.411 --> 00:39:18.511

<v Doc>I have two iPhones, two iPads, six, seven max.

00:39:19.891 --> 00:39:23.391

<v Doc>And theoretically, I can be responsible for 10 downloads.

00:39:23.611 --> 00:39:28.091

<v Doc>But I ain't watched none of them because I got busy doing something else.

00:39:28.251 --> 00:39:31.231

<v Doc>So download stats are basically BS.

00:39:32.251 --> 00:39:38.571

<v Doc>Listen stats are basically BS because sometimes I'll listen to the show two,

00:39:38.711 --> 00:39:42.551

<v Doc>three, four times. But if I already downloaded it, you no longer know that I'm listening.

00:39:42.791 --> 00:39:47.111

<v Doc>You only get to know I listened when I fire and listen to the whole episode

00:39:47.111 --> 00:39:51.491

<v Doc>when connected with this one particular app. So,

00:39:52.589 --> 00:39:57.649

<v Doc>YouTube blows every other metric out the water combined.

00:39:57.909 --> 00:40:03.429

<v Doc>So if we added Spotify, Apple, Amazon, Skitcher, Twitcher, Blitzer,

00:40:03.669 --> 00:40:08.009

<v Doc>Bleazer, Squeezer, iHeartRadio, I Hate Radio, whatever.

00:40:08.249 --> 00:40:13.149

<v Doc>If we add all of those up together, those do not equal the amount of people that are on YouTube.

00:40:13.529 --> 00:40:17.909

<v Doc>And the majority of the YouTube watching is happening on televisions.

00:40:18.709 --> 00:40:24.169

<v Doc>So if guys can get over that old school mentality and figure out a better way

00:40:24.169 --> 00:40:26.769

<v Doc>to get companies to sponsor your show.

00:40:26.969 --> 00:40:33.649

<v Doc>So when, for instance, when we go to sponsor B-Wash's show, we ask him how much downloads you get.

00:40:33.689 --> 00:40:36.609

<v Doc>We don't care. That's not a real metric anyway.

00:40:36.789 --> 00:40:41.689

<v Doc>That's a vanity metric. But we're still trying to teach the purchasers of advertisements

00:40:41.689 --> 00:40:48.629

<v Doc>and teach podcasters how to have these conversations without a bunch of numbers

00:40:48.629 --> 00:40:49.849

<v Doc>that don't mean anything.

00:40:50.049 --> 00:40:57.569

<v Doc>And anybody who's old school advertising, I remember the newspaper used to come

00:40:57.569 --> 00:41:02.169

<v Doc>to us at our store and be like, we want to put you on the back cover of the

00:41:02.169 --> 00:41:03.549

<v Doc>Sunday Entertainment Circular.

00:41:03.549 --> 00:41:10.369

<v Doc>Because although we have 150,000 subscribers, more like 400,000 people see it. Why is that?

00:41:10.549 --> 00:41:13.949

<v Doc>Because it's always upside down on the table and everybody that walks by sees

00:41:13.949 --> 00:41:17.549

<v Doc>the back of it. And we're like, man, get out of here with that.

00:41:18.389 --> 00:41:21.369

<v Doc>Like that's really the stuff that they used to try to tell us.

00:41:21.869 --> 00:41:25.329

<v Doc>And so in a podcasting space, two things you need to know.

00:41:26.009 --> 00:41:31.049

<v Doc>Number one, put an advertisement in your show,

00:41:31.049 --> 00:41:35.149

<v Doc>even if your advertisement is only you because

00:41:35.149 --> 00:41:38.089

<v Doc>it opens up the idea and the

00:41:38.089 --> 00:41:42.309

<v Doc>concept that you are open to sponsorships so

00:41:42.309 --> 00:41:45.289

<v Doc>in my youtube videos i go this video is sponsored by

00:41:45.289 --> 00:41:48.289

<v Doc>me i'm doc pops i'm the inventor

00:41:48.289 --> 00:41:51.009

<v Doc>like uh just i just say

00:41:51.009 --> 00:41:55.109

<v Doc>that in my thing and that's so that if anybody else comes to me if osbot or

00:41:55.109 --> 00:41:58.589

<v Doc>elgato or somebody says hey man we want you to make a sponsored video they would

00:41:58.589 --> 00:42:02.189

<v Doc>know that I'm open to it I'm gonna tell them no but you know that would be open

00:42:02.189 --> 00:42:10.969

<v Doc>and then uh second of all you are telling your brain that you're ready to accept those

00:42:11.849 --> 00:42:16.369

<v Doc>and know that the RSS stats and that kind of stuff don't get so caught up in

00:42:16.369 --> 00:42:19.429

<v Doc>trying to learn all of that it's probably not going to matter for much longer

00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:22.089

<v Doc>because YouTube will bury everyone

00:42:22.569 --> 00:42:25.549

<v Doc>this is my prediction you do what you want but so

00:42:25.549 --> 00:42:28.729

<v Doc>far i've been right so i i've

00:42:28.729 --> 00:42:33.269

<v Doc>been right for three years solid so just skip everything else and focus on youtube

00:42:33.269 --> 00:42:38.209

<v Doc>that's the best advice i can tell you i do not want you come to me in 2029 go

00:42:38.209 --> 00:42:43.609

<v Doc>damn son i should listen to you and i'm a moonwalk right up in your face busted

00:42:43.609 --> 00:42:46.729

<v Doc>in all i'm a moonwalk and be like told you told you

00:42:48.089 --> 00:42:51.649

<v Katie>I love it. I think you're, I think you're absolutely right. And I think what's

00:42:51.649 --> 00:42:55.609

<v Katie>kind of cool about it right now anyway, and you know, the things will shift

00:42:55.609 --> 00:42:57.149

<v Katie>and change obviously as we move forward.

00:42:57.349 --> 00:43:03.129

<v Katie>But again, if you, if you start with YouTube, everything else in the podcast,

00:43:03.289 --> 00:43:06.549

<v Katie>like workflow is super easy.

00:43:07.509 --> 00:43:12.049

<v Katie>Like I really, really easy. You literally just drag that file over and then

00:43:12.049 --> 00:43:16.389

<v Katie>it goes out to all the other, but like the checking the box on the other stuff

00:43:16.389 --> 00:43:19.649

<v Katie>is like barely even a step.

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<v Katie>So if you set it up for YouTube first, optimize it for YouTube,

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<v Katie>however you want, focus on the audience on YouTube and all the other stuff is

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<v Katie>just an echo of that and gets you additional bonus points and it's so easy to do.

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<v Katie>Honestly, I did it this morning for my own podcast. I dragged the file to my

00:43:38.849 --> 00:43:44.409

<v Katie>podcast host, dropped it in and I duplicated the description and the title from YouTube.

00:43:44.709 --> 00:43:48.669

<v Katie>It's optimized easily for both because I planned it out that way and sent it off.

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<v Katie>And like, it's, that's so much easier than trying to do it completely one way

00:43:54.669 --> 00:43:58.229

<v Katie>for audio, do it completely a different way for video, thinking about YouTube

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<v Katie>as an afterthought. Like, start with YouTube.

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<v Katie>Just start there. And then everything else is easier. It's literally why we built this show.

00:44:04.429 --> 00:44:08.069

<v Doc>And you said that keyword. You said the keyword, which is afterthought.

00:44:08.389 --> 00:44:12.309

<v Doc>Because to everybody else, so many people are still struggling trying to figure

00:44:12.309 --> 00:44:14.049

<v Doc>out how to get Facebook lives to work.

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<v Doc>And I'm like, yo, to everybody but YouTube, the video aspect is an afterthought.

00:44:21.309 --> 00:44:24.489

<v Doc>It's the side salad. You've got to swap them. YouTube does video.

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<v Katie>Yep.

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<v Doc>That's it. Period, point blank. So that's why you should be YouTube first.

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<v Doc>That gets me super, super hyped.

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<v Doc>I want to say Rich has a fantastic idea and this is sort of what we do as well.

00:44:36.209 --> 00:44:41.569

<v Doc>Rich said, I always say, you know, Ecamm and Captivate so that way you can get the affiliate hookups.

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<v Doc>Yes. Just pick some of the stuff that you're affiliated with and be like,

00:44:45.329 --> 00:44:51.449

<v Doc>if you want to support the show and you are interested in buying some Kyler's Hawaiian beef jerky,

00:44:52.248 --> 00:44:56.908

<v Doc>Click this link, and for right now until Wednesday, use the code 8BUCKSABAG.

00:44:57.368 --> 00:44:59.668

<v Doc>Stop, Doc. I've already bought so much.

00:45:00.928 --> 00:45:05.008

<v Doc>Ordered mine. They're on their way. No, I just sent the link to Jeff.

00:45:05.148 --> 00:45:08.188

<v Doc>I was like, Jeff. And he goes, yeah, I got the email too. So I ordered mine

00:45:08.188 --> 00:45:10.248

<v Doc>because, yo, 8 bucks a bag, bro, that's cheap.

00:45:11.988 --> 00:45:15.068

<v Katie>Plus one for beef chips. Yeah.

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<v Doc>Right. Next week, we're going to be like, this show is sponsored by Matt Haas

00:45:19.508 --> 00:45:24.988

<v Doc>Wood Signs for your podcast. They are so fun, you guys. MattHossWoodSigns.com.

00:45:25.208 --> 00:45:30.328

<v Katie>I'm not sponsored at all by them, but I am loving them. They're so fun.

00:45:30.508 --> 00:45:31.508

<v Katie>I just want them in everything.

00:45:32.208 --> 00:45:33.828

<v Katie>They're scattered around my desk right now.

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<v Doc>That's super funny.

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<v Katie>Yep.

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<v Doc>I need Matt to make me some special ones with like a blurred out finger.

00:45:39.528 --> 00:45:42.468

<v Katie>Yes. I know. Custom document.

00:45:42.468 --> 00:45:44.068

<v Luis>With a blurred out finger, that's funny.

00:45:44.608 --> 00:45:48.948

<v Doc>Yeah. Put like, you know, the acrylic, just like scratch the acrylic up so it's

00:45:48.948 --> 00:45:52.668

<v Doc>blurry and then just like hold it in the front. be like here's a blurred out finger for

00:45:52.668 --> 00:45:55.868

<v Katie>You yeah i i think i think

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<v Katie>you're right i think like the thing it's again

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<v Katie>if you if you can turn off the noise and focus on what makes like on your on

00:46:06.568 --> 00:46:10.228

<v Katie>your passion which hopefully is the content and yourself and the show and your

00:46:10.228 --> 00:46:16.288

<v Katie>community and like and don't like and then yeah like bring that in that same

00:46:16.288 --> 00:46:18.128

<v Katie>vibe into what you're doing with advertising.

00:46:18.388 --> 00:46:22.368

<v Katie>Start with the products and the things that you love.

00:46:22.668 --> 00:46:28.268

<v Katie>And rather than reaching out and starting off with some huge ask of them,

00:46:28.528 --> 00:46:32.728

<v Katie>just start adding them in as a sponsor and talk about why you love them,

00:46:32.828 --> 00:46:35.368

<v Katie>do what Rich is doing, build it in with an affiliate program.

00:46:35.528 --> 00:46:39.628

<v Katie>That's going to give you a proof point down the road to be able then to send

00:46:39.628 --> 00:46:42.588

<v Katie>it over to them and say, you're already a sponsor of my show.

00:46:42.728 --> 00:46:46.208

<v Katie>Here are the cool things that I've been doing. Here are some examples of ads.

00:46:46.328 --> 00:46:48.168

<v Katie>That's a much easier conversation anyway.

00:46:48.528 --> 00:46:50.848

<v Katie>And it gets you in the habit and it gives you credibility.

00:46:51.308 --> 00:46:57.768

<v Katie>It's very smart. Again, if you can come at this from doing it for yourself first,

00:46:57.768 --> 00:47:01.068

<v Katie>across the board, you will enjoy it more.

00:47:01.548 --> 00:47:05.868

<v Katie>You will turn off all the things that everyone else is telling you to do and

00:47:05.868 --> 00:47:09.208

<v Katie>focus on you and on your show and on the content.

00:47:09.448 --> 00:47:13.608

<v Katie>And then you'll start being able to grow and figure out what those next things are.

00:47:15.924 --> 00:47:22.704

<v Luis>Yeah, last thing to add to it, which is the thing that I noticed mostly with

00:47:22.704 --> 00:47:25.924

<v Luis>people is that they were a bit timid to be on camera.

00:47:26.084 --> 00:47:30.944

<v Luis>Oh, yeah. And the one thing that I was like using the tool or the phrase to

00:47:30.944 --> 00:47:36.164

<v Luis>kind of break that away from them at the pod fest was I would just ask them,

00:47:36.164 --> 00:47:38.704

<v Luis>is body language a real thing?

00:47:39.324 --> 00:47:43.404

<v Luis>And they would all say yes and i go so if you

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<v Luis>were not to do video why would you deprive your audience about

00:47:46.524 --> 00:47:50.904

<v Luis>half of your you know conversation because the spoken word is one thing but

00:47:50.904 --> 00:47:54.424

<v Luis>there's so many times where we emphasize you know with our facial expressions

00:47:54.424 --> 00:48:00.944

<v Luis>or ask a question and add a pause right and that same aspect can't be done through

00:48:00.944 --> 00:48:04.844

<v Luis>audio so that was one of the cool things that I was able to see, like,

00:48:05.024 --> 00:48:09.924

<v Luis>you know, and help people get over their fear of going on video for their podcast

00:48:09.924 --> 00:48:11.424

<v Luis>for the first time. So that was a lot of fun.

00:48:12.044 --> 00:48:18.004

<v Katie>It's funny you say that. So I've been listening to the Tony and Ryan show.

00:48:18.124 --> 00:48:22.344

<v Katie>I've been talking about this a bunch with poor Doc, who's been humoring me. But they do that, Luis.

00:48:22.564 --> 00:48:25.804

<v Katie>Like they will do, and sometimes I'm listening to the audio because I'm cleaning

00:48:25.804 --> 00:48:27.684

<v Katie>or doing whatever, and they'll do a pause.

00:48:27.844 --> 00:48:31.024

<v Katie>And I like immediately, like it's long enough that I like look down and think

00:48:31.024 --> 00:48:32.404

<v Katie>I've paused the episode.

00:48:32.404 --> 00:48:36.544

<v Katie>And then i'm like oh now i want to like go to to watch the video because i want

00:48:36.544 --> 00:48:39.824

<v Katie>to see like their facial reactions because they're just like obviously in that

00:48:39.824 --> 00:48:41.184

<v Katie>moment of silence and audio

00:48:41.884 --> 00:48:44.684

<v Katie>they're reacting in video and so it actually has become

00:48:44.684 --> 00:48:48.604

<v Katie>a trigger that like now every time i hear them do that and i'm in audio i'm

00:48:48.604 --> 00:48:52.724

<v Katie>like oh screw this i need to get over to the video and watch it so it's actually

00:48:52.724 --> 00:48:57.904

<v Katie>like a smart way to get your audio audience like over is those moments where

00:48:57.904 --> 00:49:03.884

<v Katie>We're also worried about making sure that the audio people aren't missing anything in the video.

00:49:03.884 --> 00:49:06.544

<v Katie>But I think it could be a really cool teaser, too. So, yeah.

00:49:07.192 --> 00:49:09.412

<v Luis>I like that. That's a pattern of interrupt now.

00:49:09.712 --> 00:49:10.192

<v Katie>Yeah.

00:49:10.712 --> 00:49:15.052

<v Doc>You brought something in the Jeff interview, which was really good.

00:49:15.272 --> 00:49:18.732

<v Doc>Oh, yeah. Katie, you mentioned that if you're an audio person,

00:49:18.772 --> 00:49:20.572

<v Doc>you're trying to make the transition to video.

00:49:20.872 --> 00:49:24.592

<v Doc>Yeah. You don't have to do your whole show. You can just do like video pop-ups

00:49:24.592 --> 00:49:28.852

<v Doc>here and there to sort of get your audience sort of used to that vibration.

00:49:29.232 --> 00:49:34.052

<v Doc>So I'm really, really loving that concept.

00:49:34.372 --> 00:49:34.552

<v Katie>Yeah.

00:49:34.552 --> 00:49:39.952

<v Doc>And I think maybe we should do like an episode on like how to do the slow transition

00:49:39.952 --> 00:49:42.332

<v Doc>or the, I don't know if it's safe.

00:49:42.472 --> 00:49:47.252

<v Doc>I know safe is the right word, but on basically how to do some pop-ups just

00:49:47.252 --> 00:49:49.012

<v Doc>to get your audience used to you being live.

00:49:49.532 --> 00:49:52.772

<v Katie>Yeah. Or like, so when I've been thinking about a lot, and again,

00:49:52.872 --> 00:49:55.912

<v Katie>this is totally stolen from Tony and Ryan.

00:49:56.052 --> 00:49:59.172

<v Katie>But so their show is just, it's like a news show, a daily show where they just

00:49:59.172 --> 00:50:00.532

<v Katie>talk and banter, which I love.

00:50:00.532 --> 00:50:03.432

<v Katie>But they do a lot a live stream just for their members

00:50:03.432 --> 00:50:06.052

<v Katie>where they like we'll do like a craft night they're like

00:50:06.052 --> 00:50:09.312

<v Katie>everyone bring a drink and a craft project and we're all just going to be like hanging

00:50:09.312 --> 00:50:12.272

<v Katie>out live together and crafting and you can ask questions etc so

00:50:12.272 --> 00:50:18.592

<v Katie>like again the video element doesn't have to be your show topic even or concept

00:50:18.592 --> 00:50:21.452

<v Katie>like if you're someone like matt where you're into a whole bunch of stuff like

00:50:21.452 --> 00:50:25.912

<v Katie>your day-to-day show could be like you know matt answers questions about gen

00:50:25.912 --> 00:50:30.252

<v Katie>x and then like your your video element could be like my community is all going

00:50:30.252 --> 00:50:31.232

<v Katie>to watch a movie together.

00:50:31.572 --> 00:50:37.692

<v Katie>It doesn't have to necessarily match up. Again, I think we're overthinking a lot of it.

00:50:38.972 --> 00:50:43.392

<v Katie>The video element is the engaging, interesting element. So the video element

00:50:43.392 --> 00:50:46.712

<v Katie>could absolutely be something special for your viewers.

00:50:46.892 --> 00:50:50.252

<v Katie>And then maybe that becomes a segment. Maybe it rolls out that you actually

00:50:50.252 --> 00:50:51.572

<v Katie>do convert your whole show over.

00:50:51.732 --> 00:50:55.272

<v Katie>It doesn't have to for you to check the box and be all these...

00:50:55.723 --> 00:50:59.983

<v Katie>Formats are all blending together i think more and more as we go forward so

00:50:59.983 --> 00:51:07.143

<v Katie>live and recorded zoom and youtube like you know audio and video it's all kind

00:51:07.143 --> 00:51:12.063

<v Katie>of coming together in really clever interesting ways so it's watch the space

00:51:12.063 --> 00:51:13.183

<v Katie>and don't be afraid to test

00:51:13.183 --> 00:51:16.323

<v Doc>Don't panic and don't get over complicated like

00:51:16.323 --> 00:51:19.843

<v Doc>if you don't panic and don't get over complicated and understand that

00:51:19.843 --> 00:51:23.303

<v Doc>you got this and you know what if it fails nobody

00:51:23.303 --> 00:51:26.063

<v Doc>dies it's not that big a deal you're not

00:51:26.063 --> 00:51:28.863

<v Doc>a pilot bro you're doing a show on the internet

00:51:28.863 --> 00:51:31.763

<v Doc>if it fails miserably you could

00:51:31.763 --> 00:51:34.483

<v Doc>delete that episode i like to leave them so i

00:51:34.483 --> 00:51:37.343

<v Doc>can point people to my point people

00:51:37.343 --> 00:51:40.323

<v Doc>to my f-ups so that way they can feel comfortable about

00:51:40.323 --> 00:51:43.243

<v Doc>themselves you're doing the world a favor even if it doesn't

00:51:43.243 --> 00:51:46.063

<v Doc>come off clean because you're letting other people know that it's

00:51:46.063 --> 00:51:48.923

<v Doc>okay so um we got to tighten this joint up

00:51:48.923 --> 00:51:51.963

<v Doc>because katie has a thing and i have a thing and i

00:51:51.963 --> 00:51:56.663

<v Doc>don't know what the heck louise is going to do play with neilisa's got a thing yeah have

00:51:56.663 --> 00:52:00.223

<v Doc>things things you got things so

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<v Katie>And we're going to be back again next week.

00:52:47.363 --> 00:52:52.483

<v Katie>I I overplanned and totally confused my weeks, but in the, I will wrap by saying

00:52:52.483 --> 00:52:57.883

<v Katie>that we are not a perfect podcast as I'm sure none of you is a surprise to no one.

00:52:57.983 --> 00:53:01.703

<v Katie>So we are also implementing the things we're learning at events like this and

00:53:01.703 --> 00:53:04.563

<v Katie>we're getting better, you know, 1% better every single time.

00:53:05.003 --> 00:53:08.783

<v Katie>So we, we're doing a lot more on the production side and getting a lot more

00:53:08.783 --> 00:53:12.103

<v Katie>organized. We'll be adding in, you know, different ads and things are upcoming,

00:53:12.123 --> 00:53:15.283

<v Katie>but next week we're going to talk all about intros and outros.

00:53:15.683 --> 00:53:20.163

<v Katie>So, so yeah, get ready for that fun content. But we actually know what next

00:53:20.163 --> 00:53:22.423

<v Katie>week's episode is, which is new for us.

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<v Katie>So there you go. Join us next week for all things intros and outros.

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<v Katie>We appreciate all your questions. Help fuel us to learn more and dive deeper

00:53:33.463 --> 00:53:37.423

<v Katie>and figure it out and apply it to our own content. So we really appreciate everyone.

00:53:39.163 --> 00:53:44.563

<v Doc>I'm laughing at Linda. Paul, I'm glad you're here to support this awesome group of herded cats.

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<v Doc>With with that one linda and thank you paul floor writers out

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<v Music>