The Flow: Episode 90 - How to Run Great Podcast Interviews

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Aloha Flow Riders and welcome to another edition of The Flow.

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We are slowly creeping towards the honey.

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This is really, really exciting. Really, really exciting.

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How you doing? I am your host, Doc Rock, along with my awesome other host.

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Hey everyone, it's Katie.

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It's Katie. I don't know why. I don't know why it's funny to me because it's

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not funny, but I laugh every time. So I'm going to keep the tradition going.

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Anyway, today, Katie, what are we talking about?

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We're talking about guests and interviewing

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and the the tech and the best practices and the how to make everyone happy and

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how to make a really great show when you're doing guests co-hosts panel discussions

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all of that when it's not just you what do you do when it's not just you,

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uh clean your room.

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Oh gosh uh yeah which i'm

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really excited about because i do think that there are

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like anything else in the world of content creation and podcasting and video

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there's a number of different ways that you can approach this so please don't

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feel as if if we say you know if we give a suggestion that doesn't mean that

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there's not a different way to do it.

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There are definitely best practices

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and things that are standardized and there's standards for a reason.

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But even within Ecamm, there's a couple different ways to bring guests into your broadcast.

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There's different processes for booking guests and for reaching out and inviting

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guests. So there's some wiggle room in between.

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So take that with not a grain of salt, But keep that in mind as we talk this

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through that just because you have a smaller budget or you manage your time

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differently doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't bring guests on.

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There's lots of options out there.

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Don't create any excuses in the wiggle room space.

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The wiggle room space is for you to figure out what works best for you and make

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sure that you're still doing the work.

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There you go. All right. So I guess I'll start with you, Katie.

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When it comes to interviewing people, what is like, hmm, let's do, how many should we do?

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Let's do five a piece. I feel generous today.

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So what is your number one of five?

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That means they're going to get 10. See? And it's the end of October.

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It's like perfect. Wait, wait, wait.

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My number one of five pro tips, questions? What specifically are you asking

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me? Let's go for pro tips while they put their questions together.

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Okay. I like it. I like it. So my first tip is to have a really organized plan

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before you even reach out to your first guest.

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So have like a structure in place. know all of the details, think through what

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kinds of questions your guest may have for you in the experience.

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So have a process. And I guess my point B, I'm going to give you an A and B.

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We're starting out with A and B. Okay, Katie's bringing the heat people.

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She just off the camp. She fired up.

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I'm fired up. I'm fired up. So have a process. And as a bonus tip,

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I would recommend building that process by being a guest on a ton of other shows.

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We've talked about this a lot.

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And every expert that I've talked to has started by knowing what that experience

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is like for a guest and then put your guest hat on.

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And that's how you build out your guest process. Because there are things that

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you may not even think about if you've never been a guest. And we hear this all the time.

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Every time we bring someone on to an Ecamm stream, all of you Ecamm people are

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like, oh, I've never been a guest on an Ecamm stream before.

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So it takes some time and be a guest because the questions that come up as a

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guest or as a co-host or as a panelist or discussion person,

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that experience is very different than hosting.

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And you will learn a lot just by the act of kind of putting yourself in those shoes.

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So be a guest first, use that experience to build a simple streamlined process

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so that your guests, as you start inviting them, know what the experience is

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going to be like every step along the way.

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All right, cool. I like that. And I want to follow that with an answer to a

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question that we got from Matt, which is, I prefer to be interviewed rather

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than to interview others.

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Are there tips and best practices for being the person interviewed? Oh, I love it.

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Number one, like, absolutely. This is going to sound super stupid.

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You guys have heard it before, but I want you to stick to this one because trust

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me, it makes a difference. And the funny thing is, if I do it now,

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you're going to assume that it's faking, but you can totally hear it.

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And it's going to be hard for me to do because I've practiced it so much.

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I actually have a hard time. So I don't know if you notice right now,

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but while I'm answering your question, I am absolutely smiling.

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You can hear the freaking smile, people. I know you think it's crazy, but you can't, right?

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Now, it's weird because we're on videos even more so, but you got to check your face.

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I mean, like, absolutely try to smile when you're giving the answer to your

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questions. If it's something a little bit more somber, you can still,

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you know, like, you know, sit up straight and deliver your information.

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Try to articulate it and take those pauses. is the best thing you can do as

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a guest and as a host, it drives me batty for the people that can't do it.

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And I understand everybody doesn't have the same, I wouldn't call it training

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because I didn't go to Columbia School of Broadcasting. I taught myself,

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but I rarely, rarely um or ah.

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If I um or ah, I'm completely forgetting what I'm about to say and I need to gather that thought.

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So what I do, Matt, is eat the ums.

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And so for now, for the rest of this show, Without even thinking about it,

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I just want you to count how many times I hit the um button.

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It's extremely rare. Don't count mine. It's extremely rare.

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Extremely rare. Whenever my brain wants to go um, I just go.

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So I made that audible so you can hear it. But normally I just get to the point and I'm like.

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And then I'll gather my thought and like.

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And then I'll go ahead and finish.

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Like there's no reason whatsoever to ah every time. So just eat the um.

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There you go. That's the best thing you can do. They will love you because everybody

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else, I'm between every word.

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So if you can learn to eat the ums, you're a gangster.

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I would add on to that and say, as a guest,

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one of the things that has worked really well for me is to, if the host doesn't

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have a clear process or kind of guide you through that experience.

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Ask those questions up front so that you know what that experience is going to be like.

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Like, so ask if they have, you know, pre-planned questions that they're going

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to run through or if it's just going to be a more casual conversation.

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Ask what they're hoping to get out of the experience for their audience so that

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when you show up as a guest, you're able to deliver what the audience expects, right?

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So maybe they're bringing you on because you're an expert in a particular topic.

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And so, you know, the topic of that show is, you know, how to be a good interview

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guest or what have you. So you're ready with those talking points that are going

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to answer the questions of the person that is tuning into that episode.

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And sometimes hosts don't give that as clearly as they should.

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So certainly if you're on the other side, make sure that you're giving that information to people.

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Like, what is the episode called?

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And are you as a guest ready and prepared to be providing information that answers

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the questions that are under that topic, right?

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Because the people who are tuning into that episode, there's an expectation

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based on the title and the description of the episode, what they expect to get out of it.

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Like, is it your personal story? Is it you're helping them, you know,

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unlock something in the chat GPT verbiage of silliness?

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Like, what is it that is the purpose of that episode?

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And can you plan to deliver on it? And chances are you will anyway in the conversation.

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Otherwise, the host would never have invited you to be a guest.

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So don't overthink it too much, but definitely be ready to speak about the things

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that make you qualified to be a guest for that particular topic.

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Love that idea. Especially, I think it's super important at all costs.

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And I don't know why people get asked to do an interview and then they forget

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that they are highly skilled at whatever it is that they're about to do.

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Yeah. Right. Like you've been doing what you're about to do forever,

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but somebody back in sixth grade told you that public speaking is a problem.

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And so now you believe that mess. And so you are still sitting around going,

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oh, they're going to ask me questions. Am I the one who should be asked?

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Am I good enough to answer these questions?

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I want to give an example from camp, actually, really quickly.

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So those of you who are at camp, we did a session, myself and Phil Pallin,

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who is an incredible expert in branding, and he is the author of an upcoming

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book all about AI tools for small business.

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What I loved most about this session and what I really want you all to hear,

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whether you were there or not, is that Phil answered a lot of questions with...

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I don't know. I'm working it out. I don't know the answer to that question.

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But here is the experience that I had while researching the book.

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So he was very clear about the fact that even though he literally wrote the

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book on AI tools for small business, he has a very set experience for why he

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wrote the book, what were the tools he researched, why he included them or didn't include them.

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And so he doesn't know all aspects of AI and he may not be able to answer all of those questions.

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That doesn't make the interview any less compelling. At the end of that interview

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and the end of that conversation that we had, people learned a ton.

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People raved about the overall experience of getting to hear him.

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But what many people said was their favorite part about that particular session

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was just his realness in saying, hey, that's a really great question and we

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should all look more into that.

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Or I didn't dive deep into that particular topic because I did these things

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instead and here were my learnings from that.

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So just because you don't have all of the answers to something does

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not mean that you are not an incredible guest or the

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right person for that particular interview or in

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you know the the best fit for that content so don't be afraid to answer honestly

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and don't be afraid to just be real with people there is no no one is going

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to dismiss you or think that you were a terrible interview guest because you

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don't answer because you don't have every single answer to all the questions

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and i say that as someone who.

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Still feels unnerved and put in a weird place when someone asks me,

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every now and then I'll get the rapid fire questions and I really dislike those.

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So I try to only do interviews where I don't have those come at me.

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But in those moments, if there's one that I can't think of the answer fast enough

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or I don't like the answer that I give, I'm like, pass.

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That's not a question I'm ready to answer or I don't have a good answer for that.

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No one has judged me for reacting that way And that is much better than me sitting

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here going like, I don't know what my favorite movie was when I was eight.

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That experience is meant to be fun and to make the guest feel fun.

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More like real and, you know, get to know them a little bit better as a person.

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And just because that, that is something that I don't enjoy doing.

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I just need to be upfront with the host about that or be comfortable saying

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like, I don't want to answer that question or I don't have a good answer to that question.

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That's fine. So a long-winded answer, but just be okay with not knowing everything.

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No one expects you to know everything.

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No one expects you to answer eloquently and perfectly to every single question. That's not how it goes.

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Speak for yourself I know everything I'm joking Doc alright Doc what's your pro tip,

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well this one is great because Sean asked a question and first of all Sean congratulations

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on being one of the few that know how to spell our name properly I don't know

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what the heck a scene is yes,

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anyway so Sean wanted to know right now who do we think does the best video

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podcast interviews and why do you like their approach to interviewing and I'm

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going to answer I'm going to answer your question but first I'm going to say why this is a pro tip.

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Number one, I definitely always listen to other people do interviews.

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I pick up things on how to be a good interviewer.

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I also pick up on things on how to be a good guest from listening to other interviews.

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Now I'm going to say this person is a great interviewer regardless of whether

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there was a video podcast or not, because one of the things that's so good about

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his style, I often forget that it's an interview.

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I want you to hear that. I want you to hear that. I want you to hear that.

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I want you to feel that in your soul.

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If you have no idea who Steve is, go watch one. I put the link in the chat.

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I'm answering Sean, but you'll see the link in the chat is Diary of a CEO.

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And one of the things that Steve does extremely well is to start a conversation

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and it becomes a conversation.

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I think there is a massive difference between an interview and a conversation.

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And I can't exactly express the delineation, which separates them apart,

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but it's one of those things like a reticulated python. You know one when you see it.

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Okay. You can't identify it. But trust me, when that retic pie coming at you,

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you'd be like, hey, mommy, I got to go. Peace.

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You're out of here. So just like that, when there is an amazing interview going

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down, you know it because it feels more like a conversation than an interview.

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Right. And I can pick up on a couple of ones.

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There's this I don't doubt there's very many of you guys here,

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but there's a football fans.

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And I mean, round, not oblong. And there's a show that comes on Sky in the UK

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and it's called The Overlap.

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And it's basically two of Manchester United's former players who are,

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I mean, talking legends, Roy Keane and Gary Neville, and then Jamie Carragher,

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that jerk from Liverpool.

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And then Ian Wrightius from Arsenal, and they'll bring on an additional guest.

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And sometimes they have on Jill, who was probably the most successful female

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player ever to come out of the UK.

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And now she's a coach. And they just start talking. And it's a bunch of friends

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catching up on the subjects of football. But what's going on currently?

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And they'll often bring in an old player or bring in an old ref or an old coach

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or something. And you forget it's an interview because they're legit homies

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at a pub basically arguing.

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And what would make Gary so smart the way he put the show together is they're breaking bread.

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So you forget it's an interview. There's a plate of food, right?

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They have tea, of course, they're British.

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They have pastries to go with said tea. It's almost like a fika in Sweden.

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And they're literally just having a fantastic conversation. And you're so deep

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in that they don't even start and stop it the way we do. They started with them

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putting on makeup and sitting down and like, oh, look at these patients today.

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Oh, these buggers look fresh, you know. And so when they start the conversation,

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it's because if Katie, Louise, Paul, Daniel and I walk into a room, sounds like a joke.

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Right. The black one, the Puerto Rican one, the old one. OK,

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yeah, it's almost like a joke.

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If we were to go into a room, the first thing after the hellos is we just start

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talking while we're setting up.

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And I know this to be true because Katie was there the first time I met Diana in real life.

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Yo, we were together for like eight hours before we realized it's the first time we met IRL.

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Because we always talk all the time. And that's when it's epic,

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is when it's a great conversation.

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So, Sean, the answer to your question is Steve, Diary of the CEO,

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Steve Barlett. And then the second portion of that answer is because it's very

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much so a conversation, it must less an interview.

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Yeah. And I really want to call out, and actually, this is my next tip.

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So I will wind together as you did the great point that Jeremy just made in

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our live studio audience.

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Jeremy made a great point? Okay, Jeremy made a great point.

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And I'm going to wind it with my next pro tip is that everything that Doc said is 100% accurate.

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And those are the kinds of moments that you want to experience.

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It is difficult as an interviewer, and honest,

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a little bit less so, but still somewhat difficult as an interviewee to be able

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to achieve that without a good relationship with the person that you are talking with.

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And so in some cases, that may be that you know them well.

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And so like, obviously, if we brought Diana or Luis or Daniel or Paul or any

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of people that we've spent time with either online or in real life onto a show,

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I would have to do very little prep work in order to achieve exactly the kind

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of conversation and interview that I was looking for.

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Because I know them. I know what their values are. I know what their expertise

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is. I know what they can bring to my audience. I know my audience really well.

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If you're bringing someone on that you don't have one of those relationships

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with, you are definitely going to need to spend time with them by researching.

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And or getting on a prep call with them in advance.

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So there's a couple different ways, again, that you can do this.

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You could just read their books, listen to their podcasts, like dive deep into

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their content to get a better relationship with them and a feel for how they may answer questions.

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Or, and if you have the time, arrange for them to come on early and do like a mini,

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like just a conversation to get to know them better, get to know the projects

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that they're working on, the kinds of things that they may answer or want to

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talk about in the interview, which serves two purposes, really.

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It could work as your tech check to make sure that they're all set up and ready

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to go. It'll make them feel significantly more comfortable.

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And it'll also help you not over-prep and overthink the questions because that's

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what makes it feel more like a.

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Stagnant interview versus a conversation, right? Is the idea of like,

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well, I have 10 questions I have to get through and I've pre-planned them out and AI has helped me.

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And if I don't read off all of these questions, then my interview is not going to be successful.

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You want to avoid that. Like having an idea of what your questions are,

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or even the questions written out is great,

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but allowing the conversation to flow because you've done the research and you've

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spent time with this person,

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either by getting to know them better, like in a third party way or directly

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talking with them is how you're going to maintain those conversations and make

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your interviews better.

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So some combination of that, depending on your time, I think is really important.

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And Jeremy said something similar that in order to achieve those conversations,

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you really do need to put the work in.

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And the work really is in researching, building a relationship,

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understanding them better, or spending a bit of time early with them so that

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you know what kinds of answers and you know how the conversation is going to

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flow. So some people like Doc and I are really chatty.

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So it's super easy to be able to do a conversation.

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Other people might be really quiet and it's hard to pull things out of them.

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You're not going to know that unless you know them a little bit better.

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Thank you. Thank you. Love you, Daniel. Okay, listen, I want to give you a follow-on to this.

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And Katie said it. I just want to make sure you hear this because I picked this

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up from a person who I respect who sort of taught me the interview game.

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And he said, don't be lazy. Read the damn book. Read the book.

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It's very, if they got a book, fam, you have to read the book.

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Like, even if you read it fast, even if you go through like 25 pages,

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you know, like in scatter, one flip, flip, scatter, you know,

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just so you have a general gist.

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Very important. Nowadays, if you can get it in PDF form, you know what?

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You can ask your man, Chad, to give you like a 10-page synopsis that you can read really quickly.

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So please read the book. Or get on early with them and have them,

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like if you don't have time to read the book or you're not a big reader and

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they have a book, then definitely schedule an early interview.

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Say, hey, I just want to do a tech check.

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We're going to spend 15, 20 minutes. And your only question in that is,

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hey, like, you know, give me a little bit more information about your book.

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How did you go about, like get them to give you the information from the book

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in that tech check getting to know you moment because you'll check off both

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boxes. So like, yeah, figure out a way to do that, but get the information.

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Do not, as Doc said, do not go in there blind.

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Don't go in and not have any idea what their content is about.

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You need to know. You like, it will come up. You need to know.

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Okay. So the other part, the other part of that is this is deep from,

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this is a deep cut from my course, but, um.

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I think it's very important that you dig, if they've been around for a minute,

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dig deep and find some of their smaller interviews.

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So in other words, let's say I'm going to interview Rich and I find out that

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some of the earliest interviews were just with people from the Ecamm fan.

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But for whatever reason now, Rich is massive. He's huge. So he's been on Oprah.

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He's been on Jake Tapper. been on some of the view like whatever reason something

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came out, he discovered this secret to marketing promotions and all of a sudden

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becomes one of the most famous people in the world,

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I have seen those interviews but I'm going to dig for the deep cut I'm going

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to find the old school interview that he did with Michelle or the old school

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interview that he did with Hank and dig out a gym from way back bus.

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And then go Years ago, when you were interviewed by Hank Russell,

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Hank asked you about your love for the Dallas Cowboys.

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And you had a pretty funny answer. And he's going to be like,

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what the? Man, you've done your research.

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Think I'm joking? Watch Stephen Colbert.

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Stephen Colbert breaks the interview every time because you're like, how did you know that?

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That's what you're looking for. When you can pull a deep cut, how did you know that?

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Then you have crushed said interview.

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Absolutely crushed that interview. And to follow on what Katie said about being

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prepped, this is a difficult one for people to wrap their head around.

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But it is the cornerstone of the course.

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Prepare, but not too much. prepare but not too much you have to have a level

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of curiosity that is almost childlike and if you watch the Steven that I mentioned

00:24:19.157 --> 00:24:24.237

earlier Sean you will see it in his face the level of,

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This unadulterated curiosity that crosses that brother's face as he asked these questions is amazing.

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Also, don't be afraid to ask. This drives me nuts because I hate doing it, but I do it anyway.

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If your audience has the stupid question, don't be afraid to be the one for

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you to ask it to them anyway. So you eat the stupid and you ask the stupid question.

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Even though that one drives me crazy the most, I can't stand it.

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And I was like, I, some people do it. Well, you know, I really didn't want to

00:24:59.064 --> 00:25:00.644

ask this one, but people keep asking me.

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So I'm going to ask it like, don't do that. You have to take the knife.

00:25:04.384 --> 00:25:08.624

Okay. So when you're about to ask Katie a stupid question, I know you've,

00:25:08.684 --> 00:25:12.024

and I hate this because I hate asking the question that's been asked a thousand times.

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But if the audience is going on and on and on about the mushroom paper,

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I'm like, Katie, what's the story behind the mushroom paper?

00:25:19.664 --> 00:25:22.884

Inquiring minds need to know. I can't go, oh my God, this is a really stupid

00:25:22.884 --> 00:25:25.344

question. I'm sorry for a stupid question, but everybody wants to know,

00:25:25.644 --> 00:25:26.864

Katie, what's going on with the mushroom paper?

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No, you're the host. So you have to eat that.

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The thing too, to keep in mind with that, and this is just,

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I realized this the more that I am either an interviewer or an interviewee,

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a lot of those like what Doc was calling stupid questions are repetitive questions,

00:25:45.884 --> 00:25:49.104

but it's always a different audience.

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So you could actually like preempt that by either letting the interviewee know

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like upfront, like, Hey, like my audience is new to you.

00:26:01.624 --> 00:26:04.684

So I am going to ask a couple of like basic questions as we get going,

00:26:04.824 --> 00:26:06.684

just so that they can get to know you better.

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And we get that out of the way before we dive deeper, or you can do like a more

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detailed bio either in the description and show notes and the marketing before

00:26:18.344 --> 00:26:21.564

the episode or right at the beginning of the episode that says like.

00:26:22.349 --> 00:26:25.489

Hey, I'm Doc. I'm hanging out here with Katie.

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And Katie is a live streamer and content creator, and she works for Ecamm.

00:26:30.609 --> 00:26:34.389

She recently updated her entire studio, and now she's rocking these awesome mushroom background.

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You could add in what you know are the common questions into your intro for

00:26:38.869 --> 00:26:40.349

someone to get it out of the way.

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But the thing about it is that it's actually good for the interviewee to answer

00:26:46.649 --> 00:26:51.929

those questions because it means that that's an audience that has not interacted with them before.

00:26:51.949 --> 00:26:55.189

If they don't know the answer to that question, it means that they have the

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potential to be a customer or a subscriber or a fan or a follower or a community

00:27:01.609 --> 00:27:06.409

member of the people that you're putting that guest in front of.

00:27:06.529 --> 00:27:11.849

So yeah, I think figuring out a way to embrace that is actually probably pretty

00:27:11.849 --> 00:27:14.709

important because it may seem

00:27:14.709 --> 00:27:18.629

like eye roll and redundant to both the interviewer and the interviewee,

00:27:18.689 --> 00:27:22.609

but it's not to the audience and the value that's there, I think is actually pretty important.

00:27:22.889 --> 00:27:26.129

So it's good, good thing to bring up doc is I think it's important to,

00:27:26.329 --> 00:27:30.349

um, to remember that sometimes those, sometimes those things that we all think

00:27:30.349 --> 00:27:32.869

are really obvious aren't to the new person that's in.

00:27:33.009 --> 00:27:34.109

And that new person might bring

00:27:34.109 --> 00:27:39.249

a ton of value to, um, to you or to your guests down the road or both.

00:27:39.449 --> 00:27:45.569

So, So this is a style thing because I have somewhat of an opposite,

00:27:45.769 --> 00:27:53.649

and not to be counterintuitive or cantankerous, I do not like to...

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Deposit the questions that are in every other interview.

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So one of the, in my prep, one of the reasons why I listened to like 10,

00:28:03.821 --> 00:28:08.961

15 of their other interviews is I try to, I try to go get the new questions.

00:28:09.121 --> 00:28:10.261

I try to go get something different.

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And to that point, my pro tip is if you can pull it off, I know some of you

00:28:14.821 --> 00:28:16.841

guys are nervous and you can't pull it off.

00:28:17.021 --> 00:28:19.381

First of all, nervous is a mental state.

00:28:20.061 --> 00:28:26.081

It is a mental state. Now I think about it. Anyway, I go out of my way to ask

00:28:26.081 --> 00:28:26.701

the different questions.

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I also don't like to spend a single second on the bio. Yeah.

00:28:31.721 --> 00:28:36.901

I do an introduction, but I don't go into, hey, Katie, so you're into video

00:28:36.901 --> 00:28:38.501

podcasting. How did it all start?

00:28:38.961 --> 00:28:43.501

I was like, dude, I watched dudes pull. I worked in a nightclub for 30 years.

00:28:43.821 --> 00:28:46.681

I watched a dude pulls out of the nightclub and the girl just looks at them.

00:28:47.121 --> 00:28:50.201

Occasionally, they throw a drink in their face. I'm like, hey,

00:28:50.561 --> 00:28:51.781

hey, what's your favorite color?

00:28:52.201 --> 00:28:56.401

Like, if you ask a person that on a date, male or female, you should get punched

00:28:56.401 --> 00:28:58.421

in the face. Like, that is a stupid question.

00:28:58.681 --> 00:29:01.721

That one you figure out by yourself. You don't need to ask that question.

00:29:02.041 --> 00:29:04.901

Hey, what's your sign? Did you come here often? Like, those kind of dumb,

00:29:04.981 --> 00:29:08.201

I don't, I try to avoid those questions.

00:29:08.401 --> 00:29:13.241

I am always looking for, no one has ever asked me that before.

00:29:13.901 --> 00:29:18.261

Oh, my goodness. That is an awesome question. That's what I'm looking for.

00:29:18.261 --> 00:29:25.801

So, yeah, I try to put the bio in the description or like Katie said,

00:29:26.021 --> 00:29:30.921

which I agree with, try to put those little nuggets in the hey,

00:29:31.041 --> 00:29:32.741

today I'm introducing Katie Fox.

00:29:32.961 --> 00:29:38.241

She just created this incredible video podcasting course.

00:29:38.481 --> 00:29:44.441

If you are curious about how to start a video podcast, make sure you go out

00:29:44.441 --> 00:29:46.101

and check out Katie's course.

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It's at ecamm.com I forgot the link oops Paul's going to put it in the chat,

00:29:55.481 --> 00:30:01.301

but you know I would just say these things and then I will even bring up so

00:30:01.301 --> 00:30:02.621

we're going to have a lot of fun,

00:30:03.201 --> 00:30:09.001

notice her Canadian accent is wearing off so I can lead to a question or lead

00:30:09.001 --> 00:30:14.861

to an announcement later and get right in and just go to something crazy So

00:30:14.861 --> 00:30:17.201

then I might, while we're doing the interview,

00:30:17.781 --> 00:30:22.041

say to you, okay, so now that you've been officially American for like over

00:30:22.041 --> 00:30:23.601

a year, do you find yourself more angry?

00:30:25.761 --> 00:30:29.201

Every day. Every day. With me.

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I think, I mean, I agree. I definitely have a little bit of a different style than you.

00:30:35.861 --> 00:30:41.361

I do tend to do intros probably a little bit.

00:30:41.481 --> 00:30:42.701

We just got Ainsbury people who can watch it happen in real life.

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This does tend to happen.

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We're going to give Ainsbury a second. Look at me. Look at me.

00:30:47.301 --> 00:30:49.421

Can you hear me still? We can hear you.

00:30:49.841 --> 00:30:54.061

I was like, we just got Ainsbury. We can just keep going. We can talk through

00:30:54.061 --> 00:30:55.621

how terrible my face looks here.

00:30:56.981 --> 00:31:00.361

You're coming back you're coming back it happens

00:31:00.361 --> 00:31:03.181

it always freezes you on the weirdest face that's the

00:31:03.181 --> 00:31:07.021

best part about the internet it does it on purpose it does

00:31:07.021 --> 00:31:10.401

it on purpose i'm comfortable with my weird face what was

00:31:10.401 --> 00:31:16.141

i saying oh i was saying that i do a different style so i i ask a lot of questions

00:31:16.141 --> 00:31:18.901

that doc would probably think are dumb questions or questions that have been

00:31:18.901 --> 00:31:23.321

asked before i'm doing it for a little bit of a different reason i part of it

00:31:23.321 --> 00:31:28.821

is that for the mass majority of the content that I'm creating and the interviews that I'm doing,

00:31:29.061 --> 00:31:37.141

I'm in front of a audience who are brand new to the topic and might not actually

00:31:37.141 --> 00:31:39.701

know that person or know that background.

00:31:39.701 --> 00:31:45.001

I think it also makes the guest feel a little bit more comfortable because it's

00:31:45.001 --> 00:31:46.401

a bit of a softball question.

00:31:46.561 --> 00:31:49.501

So I know when I'm a guest on a show.

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Especially if I haven't done like a prep interview,

00:31:54.281 --> 00:32:00.041

like a prep time on camera with the host, it is a nice kind of way to get into

00:32:00.041 --> 00:32:02.741

it a little bit and start talking about something in a way that like,

00:32:02.861 --> 00:32:05.421

I don't feel I'm going to mess up.

00:32:05.541 --> 00:32:08.761

Like I can tell you what my background is.

00:32:09.021 --> 00:32:11.881

Like all those questions are very easy for a guest to answer.

00:32:12.041 --> 00:32:15.621

So I think there is a use case for them.

00:32:15.821 --> 00:32:19.201

That being said, I do think that everything you just said, Doc,

00:32:19.361 --> 00:32:22.201

is a really great perspective as I get...

00:32:22.791 --> 00:32:26.951

Better at interviewing people and better at being a guest, you're right.

00:32:27.051 --> 00:32:30.651

I think there are ways to do it that still tease out that information,

00:32:30.651 --> 00:32:31.771

but also get to the point.

00:32:31.951 --> 00:32:38.811

Because again, as you just said at the end of your answer, many times there's

00:32:38.811 --> 00:32:40.731

a goal to the interview, right?

00:32:40.871 --> 00:32:44.631

So even though I'm the podcasting expert that's joined your show,

00:32:44.831 --> 00:32:48.671

I'm really there to sell everyone my free podcast course.

00:32:48.791 --> 00:32:52.311

And you're there to help your audience understand more about podcasting.

00:32:52.491 --> 00:32:55.891

So at some point, we do have to get to the point and my entire background isn't

00:32:55.891 --> 00:32:56.651

really all that relevant.

00:32:56.911 --> 00:33:00.871

What's relevant is you need help with podcasting. I have the answers to help you with podcasting.

00:33:01.011 --> 00:33:03.691

It doesn't really matter that I'm from Canada or I have a mushroom background

00:33:03.691 --> 00:33:05.331

or whatever else. People might want to know.

00:33:05.551 --> 00:33:10.151

It's kind of irrelevant to this. So I think you're right in the sometimes I'm

00:33:10.151 --> 00:33:16.171

definitely guilty of not just getting to the point and people really in the end want the content.

00:33:16.351 --> 00:33:20.631

The personality and the backstory and the peopleness of it all is important,

00:33:20.651 --> 00:33:24.791

but people also don't have a ton of time and just, you know,

00:33:24.891 --> 00:33:28.431

and need the content that they are expecting to get and are looking for.

00:33:28.591 --> 00:33:32.571

So setting, setting those expectations, again, I think is really clear.

00:33:32.711 --> 00:33:34.291

Like what are the expectations of your audience?

00:33:34.551 --> 00:33:37.991

What are your expectations and what are the expectations of the interviewee?

00:33:38.071 --> 00:33:39.651

And are you hitting all of those?

00:33:41.871 --> 00:33:45.391

So, so, and, and so to your point, this is actually a good, a good way to do this.

00:33:45.691 --> 00:33:52.611

Number one, very important that you are leading the interview for your audience,

00:33:52.611 --> 00:33:55.191

not necessarily for yourself.

00:33:55.391 --> 00:33:58.351

You might have questions, but save yours for the end. Be like,

00:33:58.411 --> 00:34:01.991

hey, I got a personal question or I have a question that I want to know the answer to.

00:34:02.591 --> 00:34:08.171

Save those to the end. And if you know that it's a three-point question type

00:34:08.171 --> 00:34:12.751

of show or a four-point question type of show, don't bury the lead.

00:34:12.891 --> 00:34:15.911

Like a lot of people, they think they're going to bury the lead in order to

00:34:15.911 --> 00:34:17.211

increase the watch time.

00:34:17.451 --> 00:34:21.771

But more and more today, we understand how people work. They might not get to

00:34:21.771 --> 00:34:23.611

the end. Daniel had to leave, right?

00:34:23.811 --> 00:34:28.951

So if I was doing an interview that I know Daniel wanted to know the answer

00:34:28.951 --> 00:34:32.631

to this question, because maybe he pre-sent the question or is it something

00:34:32.631 --> 00:34:36.031

I heard him mentioned in the community, I'm going to front load value.

00:34:36.191 --> 00:34:40.991

I'm going to ask the questions that will give the audience the most value up

00:34:40.991 --> 00:34:44.551

front and then put the bantery joints at the end.

00:34:45.011 --> 00:34:48.951

We were just talking about this, Louise, Katie, and I, because we were at a

00:34:48.951 --> 00:34:52.611

conference with four people we were dying to see.

00:34:52.711 --> 00:34:56.051

Normally at the conference, we know most of the speakers, but these are our

00:34:56.051 --> 00:34:59.231

friends, but we wanted to hear their input on this conversation.

00:34:59.551 --> 00:35:06.471

I believe back then, the conversation was on the state of AI and podcasting,

00:35:06.511 --> 00:35:10.071

and we had one, two, three, four heaters on the stage, right?

00:35:10.211 --> 00:35:13.111

Two of which are our dear friends, which we can just ask them later,

00:35:13.111 --> 00:35:17.931

but we got heaters on the stage and the dude spent.

00:35:19.226 --> 00:35:28.286

I want to say 20 of the 30 allotted minutes for this panel, asking them their bio.

00:35:28.866 --> 00:35:32.126

I'm like, fam, I got a program. I know their bio.

00:35:32.766 --> 00:35:36.766

Like, don't need to introduce them. Like, people, listen, these guys are incredible.

00:35:37.006 --> 00:35:41.126

Trust me, you're going to want to go and dig up their bios and dive in.

00:35:41.206 --> 00:35:42.286

You want to check out their sites.

00:35:42.386 --> 00:35:45.366

The links are in that program you have there. They'll be on the slide behind us.

00:35:45.746 --> 00:35:49.766

Scan this QR code so you can know about them. But we have such a limited time today.

00:35:50.006 --> 00:35:54.646

I want to get straight to some of these questions. Is AI going to kill us or not, Jeff?

00:35:55.506 --> 00:36:01.646

You know, like, go straight in. Like, the bio stuff, it just takes too long and unnecessary.

00:36:02.726 --> 00:36:08.226

And you know right away, again, give them time to promote their thing.

00:36:08.386 --> 00:36:11.726

I think Jeff does a good job at this. And actually, Jeff mentioned this at camp.

00:36:12.086 --> 00:36:17.226

Another place where Jeff and I differ, I refuse to pre-questions.

00:36:17.226 --> 00:36:21.966

I refuse, refuse, refuse, refuse, because that will jack my curiosity,

00:36:21.966 --> 00:36:29.406

because I will go dig the answers to the questions even before they say so, because I can't help it.

00:36:29.406 --> 00:36:33.646

Like, you know, those TV shows that hit you with the cliffhanger at the end

00:36:33.646 --> 00:36:39.906

of the season, those shows make me angry because I'm stuck for like two years

00:36:39.906 --> 00:36:43.686

waiting for George RR Martin to finish this damn story.

00:36:44.566 --> 00:36:49.166

And I'm like, bruh, you crushing me. You're absolutely crushing me.

00:36:49.326 --> 00:36:54.966

So for me, open loops don't work. So I don't do those pre-questions because

00:36:54.966 --> 00:36:57.666

I'll be sitting there with that open loop until the interview comes.

00:36:57.786 --> 00:37:01.026

And that's going to drive me batty. So you have to find your style,

00:37:01.106 --> 00:37:04.546

whatever works for you. There's no right or wrong per se, but,

00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:12.479

Yeah, there's no right or wrong per se, but whatever your style is, pick one.

00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.559

And you might not know your style until you've done a bunch of interviews.

00:37:15.699 --> 00:37:17.719

So guess what the shortcut is? Do a bunch of interviews.

00:37:18.279 --> 00:37:22.119

Yeah, I mean, honestly, the only, I think that the only, as I said at the very

00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.779

beginning of this episode, the only non-negotiable is not doing it.

00:37:25.919 --> 00:37:31.099

Like, if you want to do interviews and you have a show that interviews are included

00:37:31.099 --> 00:37:34.179

in the style, then you have to put in the work and do the interviews and you

00:37:34.179 --> 00:37:36.859

have to put in the work and be a guest so that you understand the process.

00:37:37.339 --> 00:37:40.499

How you set up your you know your guest

00:37:40.499 --> 00:37:43.259

intake form and your scheduling and the kinds

00:37:43.259 --> 00:37:46.139

of ways you ask questions and how long the show goes

00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:49.759

and whether or not you take questions from the audience all of that is completely

00:37:49.759 --> 00:37:53.899

open to your discretion you can change it just because you start one way does

00:37:53.899 --> 00:37:57.819

not mean that you can't evolve into something else how you you know how many

00:37:57.819 --> 00:38:01.899

guests you have on how you approach all of that like the tech check all of like

00:38:01.899 --> 00:38:05.119

all of it is flexible in what works best for you.

00:38:05.359 --> 00:38:09.859

You need to be open and honest with your communication so that you set appropriate

00:38:09.859 --> 00:38:13.579

expectations for everyone, give everyone the information that they need correctly.

00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:18.359

Don't change things halfway through the process for people. And you have to

00:38:18.359 --> 00:38:20.059

do it. Like you have to do a tech check.

00:38:20.339 --> 00:38:23.319

You have to go through the process of just doing the interview.

00:38:23.479 --> 00:38:27.119

So everything else, you're right, I think is like you might change.

00:38:27.299 --> 00:38:29.379

There have been times where I've written questions out. And like you,

00:38:29.419 --> 00:38:35.899

Doc, I feel like if I have questions in front of me, then I'm looking down at

00:38:35.899 --> 00:38:38.039

them. I'm worried that I haven't asked the question.

00:38:38.419 --> 00:38:43.979

I lose the magic of the conversation. So I'm way better without them.

00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:46.999

I just don't do it. I do the research. I don't write any questions down.

00:38:47.419 --> 00:38:51.859

The way the conversation goes gives me ideas for other kinds of questions,

00:38:51.859 --> 00:38:54.639

and I'm watching what my audience says and pick up questions that way.

00:38:54.759 --> 00:38:57.199

And it just works better for me. But Jeff C.

00:38:57.499 --> 00:39:00.179

Does interviews all the time, and he always has the questions,

00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.159

and his show is fantastic. So it...

00:39:02.600 --> 00:39:06.400

It depends on what, you know, what works best for each person. Yes, correct.

00:39:06.720 --> 00:39:11.020

Now, my follow-up, not my follow-up, my five ends with Stuart,

00:39:11.020 --> 00:39:13.520

because Stuart is one of my favorite people on the planet right now.

00:39:13.660 --> 00:39:15.240

I have no idea why, just Stuart's cool.

00:39:16.020 --> 00:39:19.580

So Stuart says, as an interviewer, I often forget to listen as I'm looking,

00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:24.400

thinking of my next question, looking at the tech, running order.

00:39:24.620 --> 00:39:28.480

Is this normal, or should I just chill and enjoy the chat?

00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.520

You might need a producer, Stuart.

00:39:33.220 --> 00:39:37.860

I'm going to answer your questions, Stuart. Number one, what Katie said is true,

00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.960

but this is my fight with the Ecamm fam on a regular basis.

00:39:44.240 --> 00:39:49.180

This is my fight with the Ecamm fam on a regular basis, and I say it three times

00:39:49.180 --> 00:39:50.920

because I want you to hear me closely.

00:39:51.080 --> 00:39:54.520

This is my fight with the Ecamm fam on a regular basis.

00:39:55.560 --> 00:40:03.540

Many people, for whatever reason, I'm going to call it, I won't say inexperienced

00:40:03.540 --> 00:40:05.220

because it's not necessarily the case.

00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:11.120

I think it's an inferiority complex of I'm new. So because I'm new,

00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.140

I must like do something to get attention.

00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:19.460

And what you should be doing is because I'm new, I'm going to make sure that

00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:25.900

I'm not creating any undue attention so that I can focus on the product.

00:40:26.180 --> 00:40:33.980

Okay. So when you watch my show, I don't have transitions, not a one twirly scenes.

00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:36.120

Nope. Animations, none.

00:40:37.080 --> 00:40:41.640

Unnecessary, cute overlays. Nope. Nothing high tech.

00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:49.200

I do it like I call it the little black dress set up because it's plain.

00:40:49.580 --> 00:40:52.980

It's beautiful. And the value is in the packaging.

00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.680

A little black dress on the hanger is useless. A little black dress with a wonderful

00:40:58.680 --> 00:41:04.180

human being inside that enjoys said conversation with, tell stories and regale

00:41:04.180 --> 00:41:06.720

days of yesteryear. That's valuable.

00:41:07.580 --> 00:41:13.380

So I put the value in the product of the show, not the packaging.

00:41:13.620 --> 00:41:18.100

The packaging can always be adjusted. We live in the world of video editing.

00:41:18.100 --> 00:41:21.580

You got the raw ISOs. If you want your show to look cute after,

00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:26.100

open Final Cut, DaVinci Resolve, Premiere, the now defunct app,

00:41:26.160 --> 00:41:29.600

who should remain nameless, and knock yourself out.

00:41:29.780 --> 00:41:33.120

Twirl all kind of crap over there. But when I'm doing my show, it looks like this.

00:41:33.460 --> 00:41:38.780

It's me and Katie having a deep conversation that helps you guys.

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:45.520

Us having a twirly background, welcome to the flow. That's for our ego,

00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:47.060

homie. That's not for the audience.

00:41:48.040 --> 00:41:55.000

Yeah. And it sounds counterintuitive because we're Ecamm and we can do all of those things, but...

00:41:56.370 --> 00:42:01.670

I have a damn near 200 horsepower vehicle.

00:42:02.170 --> 00:42:07.630

What I don't do is drive around in the freeway at its top speed of 165.

00:42:08.350 --> 00:42:12.450

Why? Because even with my brother-in-law being a sergeant in Honolulu Police

00:42:12.450 --> 00:42:14.470

Department, that ticket I will not get out of.

00:42:15.050 --> 00:42:21.630

If I'm doing 70 in the 55, I might get out of that ticket. Doing 165 in the 55, nope.

00:42:23.290 --> 00:42:26.910

Clink. Gone. Yeah. So just because you can't don't mean you should.

00:42:27.070 --> 00:42:33.210

And too many people are trying to fly a 747 when they can't even walk.

00:42:33.530 --> 00:42:38.810

So you answered your question, Stuart, my brother, who I dearly love.

00:42:39.670 --> 00:42:46.510

Till, enjoy the conversation and don't do too much cute stuff in you. That is a sign.

00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:51.510

You know, it's a thing. Those people who dress flashy but have no soul,

00:42:51.710 --> 00:42:57.230

they have no, I'm trying to think of it. They're a common character in movies,

00:42:57.470 --> 00:43:01.110

like the over-the-top person who is basically otherwise useless.

00:43:02.510 --> 00:43:06.150

That's what happens when your show looks all dope, but you have no skill.

00:43:06.330 --> 00:43:09.830

You have no ability to interview.

00:43:10.070 --> 00:43:13.430

That is legit hiding. Legit hiding behind the tech.

00:43:14.510 --> 00:43:19.470

And I think it's important. And there was a conversation that came up with Kemp.

00:43:19.670 --> 00:43:23.930

Is that please get good at what you do first. Make it cute second.

00:43:25.370 --> 00:43:30.410

You could. So I absolutely agree and echo all of that sentiment.

00:43:31.030 --> 00:43:36.030

What you can do, what I have found to be helpful for me is I have,

00:43:36.210 --> 00:43:43.470

as Doc said, simplified absolutely everything down to the basics.

00:43:43.610 --> 00:43:49.470

But I always have a scene with just me and a scene with just the guest.

00:43:49.610 --> 00:43:52.550

I actually don't even have any backgrounds on it. I just have the guest.

00:43:52.550 --> 00:43:55.750

So if I'm having a moment where

00:43:55.750 --> 00:43:59.030

I'm like my mind is on overdrive

00:43:59.030 --> 00:44:01.670

and I'm like oh no what am I going to ask them next or I don't know and they're

00:44:01.670 --> 00:44:07.570

talking I just switch over to only them so that I can think for a second look

00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:12.390

down at my notes catch up with what I'm doing so like you you have things that

00:44:12.390 --> 00:44:17.410

you can do that make it really easy that are not also going to cause additional

00:44:17.410 --> 00:44:18.670

stress because you're like,

00:44:19.130 --> 00:44:21.590

I'm trying to trigger this and go into preview mode to do whatever.

00:44:21.910 --> 00:44:25.110

Literally just move it over so that they can keep talking. You're showcasing

00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:26.130

them and what they're doing.

00:44:26.390 --> 00:44:29.830

And then just take a moment to look at your notes, catch your breath,

00:44:29.990 --> 00:44:34.670

calm your mind, and then go back to the scene where it's you and them talking. Yes.

00:44:36.350 --> 00:44:41.870

It's totally, it's not, I am that person where I had those same feelings for

00:44:41.870 --> 00:44:45.930

a little bit, Stuart, but the more you practice, the less you'll have those feelings.

00:44:45.930 --> 00:44:48.910

So just start with interviewing friends or people you trust,

00:44:48.930 --> 00:44:52.170

where if it goes all wrong, they've got your back and they'll cover for you.

00:44:52.410 --> 00:44:55.150

And then once you've gotten through those and feel comfortable with it,

00:44:55.590 --> 00:44:57.430

yeah, just calm yourself down.

00:44:57.590 --> 00:45:03.130

Like it also, not every interview has to be 30 minutes or an hour or whatever

00:45:03.130 --> 00:45:04.430

else you've put in your mind.

00:45:04.590 --> 00:45:07.430

Like this is what happens to me is I'm having a great conversation.

00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:12.310

I look down and I'm like, oh, shoot, I have 20 minutes more that I have to carry

00:45:12.310 --> 00:45:15.750

this conversation, but I've asked all the questions. End the episode.

00:45:16.770 --> 00:45:20.470

Wrap up. If you're done, you're done. There's no point in me being like,

00:45:20.550 --> 00:45:24.030

oh, panic mode. I need other questions. So I...

00:45:24.431 --> 00:45:29.291

You're the one that's in control. So that like that was my easy hack and working my way around that.

00:45:29.431 --> 00:45:34.371

Or as I said, having a producer backstage that you're not worried about that

00:45:34.371 --> 00:45:37.331

also makes a big difference, right? Like I look terrible right now.

00:45:37.511 --> 00:45:42.811

But when Luis pulls all of our files and, and you know, and makes Luis magic

00:45:42.811 --> 00:45:46.591

to everything, I'll look fine in the replay, you can still hear me so I can

00:45:46.591 --> 00:45:49.051

still get the content across to people who are watching us live.

00:45:49.671 --> 00:45:54.751

Everything is fine. But if I was producing, I would be, you know,

00:45:54.871 --> 00:45:58.811

I would be like, oh, shoot, I, you know, did I remember to put on my isolated files?

00:45:59.111 --> 00:46:01.831

How am I going to think about that? Like, that would be causing unnecessary

00:46:01.831 --> 00:46:05.251

stress and anxiety that takes away from the value of the conversation.

00:46:05.571 --> 00:46:09.771

So for this particular show, way easier for me to have a producer who can run

00:46:09.771 --> 00:46:13.731

it and make sure that they fill in any gaps and solve any problems as they come up, right?

00:46:13.891 --> 00:46:16.811

So just think about what you're right there's louise right so

00:46:16.811 --> 00:46:21.031

like think about what you're able to afford manage

00:46:21.031 --> 00:46:25.551

orchestrate like think that through but you're only going to learn that by practicing

00:46:25.551 --> 00:46:28.651

you're only going to learn that by failing and being like oh don't want to do

00:46:28.651 --> 00:46:33.551

that next time switching it up switching it up for next time you said something

00:46:33.551 --> 00:46:39.471

that was extremely valuable in that conversation and,

00:46:40.311 --> 00:46:42.811

it's super funny so first of all Stuart.

00:46:44.131 --> 00:46:50.671

Listing is the most important part of being an interviewer and I think that is one.

00:46:52.149 --> 00:46:59.309

That is one I go deep into the course, but I'll shorten it for today about you

00:46:59.309 --> 00:47:03.649

have to remain curious. And part of that will require the listening.

00:47:03.889 --> 00:47:07.269

It allows you to, the next question is going to come.

00:47:07.409 --> 00:47:10.969

Just like any conversation you have with anybody, there's always going to be

00:47:10.969 --> 00:47:12.169

some unanswered questions.

00:47:12.429 --> 00:47:16.809

And realize that if you, like Kitty said, if you're short, wrap it up.

00:47:17.009 --> 00:47:20.469

If you're long, wrap it up and invite them to come back.

00:47:20.989 --> 00:47:24.249

So that just does the George double R Martin leave them hanging.

00:47:24.409 --> 00:47:27.589

They can't wait till the guest comes back. If it's really, really powerful,

00:47:27.889 --> 00:47:32.869

be like, I was going to do something else next week, but this is such a good conversation.

00:47:33.129 --> 00:47:38.169

Can we continue this? Or do you mind us running long and we'll just chop it

00:47:38.169 --> 00:47:43.129

up as a two parter for the delivery, which is going to be the actual show.

00:47:44.729 --> 00:47:48.429

So one of the things that I do, and you guys might not notice this,

00:47:48.549 --> 00:47:53.369

or maybe you do, because it's a video podcast, right? I have my little Muji

00:47:53.369 --> 00:47:56.449

fountain pen right here, and I have my little notebook right here.

00:47:56.749 --> 00:48:03.109

So while I'm listening, I am taking those notes so that I can run a follow-up.

00:48:03.189 --> 00:48:06.109

And the note is just a single word, right? I look down at my paper,

00:48:06.149 --> 00:48:09.269

and I see a single word about wrap it up.

00:48:09.569 --> 00:48:11.909

Well, that's three words, but you know what I'm saying. I can write that really

00:48:11.909 --> 00:48:13.209

quickly. I can scribble it.

00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:19.489

I can make an icon, something that's going to allow me to bring that back to the table.

00:48:20.949 --> 00:48:27.509

So one of the key things I'm going to say about an interview question, this is my pet peeve.

00:48:27.609 --> 00:48:31.449

This is my, this is my, this is going to be number six, sorry, but this is my pet peeve.

00:48:31.549 --> 00:48:34.309

And as you watch TV now, this is going to drive you crazy too.

00:48:35.609 --> 00:48:44.949

I'm going to do, I'm going to act this out. So let me get my Katie during the VHS clubs,

00:48:45.149 --> 00:48:54.569

you guys get into older movies from basically the 90s to maybe occasionally 2000s,

00:48:54.689 --> 00:49:00.409

maybe occasionally 80s of these many genres that you guys get into.

00:49:01.189 --> 00:49:06.369

Which one of those genres do you find yourself the most connected to?

00:49:08.002 --> 00:49:12.982

Is it the rom-com? Is it the comedy? Is it the dramedy? Is it the drama?

00:49:13.182 --> 00:49:15.102

Is it the documentary? Is it the horror?

00:49:15.522 --> 00:49:19.322

Like, I'm really curious as to, like, especially in the 80s or 90s,

00:49:19.382 --> 00:49:23.222

like, which one did you think is better? Wasn't it? Shut the... Shut up.

00:49:23.702 --> 00:49:30.822

I'm so guilty of this. I always do this. I'm trying to not. Ask the question and shut the... Up.

00:49:31.122 --> 00:49:34.122

That is... The way I teach it in my course, I do not edit the word.

00:49:34.782 --> 00:49:44.102

Ask the question and shut the up because you're rambling because you're quote unquote nervous

00:49:44.382 --> 00:49:47.342

of what I don't know plastic camera can I hit you the building's

00:49:47.342 --> 00:49:50.422

not going to fall the earth's not going to end the Raiders definitely

00:49:50.422 --> 00:49:53.122

not winning the Super Bowl this year like what are

00:49:53.122 --> 00:49:56.602

you nervous about ask the question and shut up shut up

00:49:56.602 --> 00:49:59.302

please that's my protest I know it's

00:49:59.302 --> 00:50:03.142

hard but that does come from practice yeah absolutely

00:50:03.142 --> 00:50:06.142

i i'm definitely still practicing that i i find myself

00:50:06.142 --> 00:50:09.522

doing that every now and then i'm like i shouldn't have done that and you

00:50:09.522 --> 00:50:15.362

just get better at it as you do again as you do more as you do more right when

00:50:15.362 --> 00:50:19.882

do you notice that you did it um because i honestly i don't notice that you

00:50:19.882 --> 00:50:23.462

did it so if you notice it then that means that you're doing a good enough job

00:50:23.462 --> 00:50:29.082

of hiding it i don't um i i don't think I've done it a lot on this show, because again,

00:50:29.182 --> 00:50:32.742

I have you to kind of bounce questions and ideas off of,

00:50:32.862 --> 00:50:36.262

but I have done it in the past on Meet the Ecamm Fam.

00:50:36.402 --> 00:50:43.422

And I've also done it in like other one-off interview shows and things that

00:50:43.422 --> 00:50:44.742

I've been involved with.

00:50:45.742 --> 00:50:47.302

And I wanted to add...

00:50:48.143 --> 00:50:51.443

And then we should really wrap it up as our notes tell us to wrap it up.

00:50:51.623 --> 00:50:54.563

But I wanted to add to that.

00:50:55.123 --> 00:51:00.123

It's a good reminder that not everything has to be a question either.

00:51:00.423 --> 00:51:08.403

I find I actually get more content and value out of a guest when I ask the question,

00:51:08.663 --> 00:51:15.883

they answer the question, and then I respond back to their answer as if it's a conversation.

00:51:16.223 --> 00:51:20.603

But it's not a question. It's like, great point, Doc. I remember the last time

00:51:20.603 --> 00:51:23.963

that I did that and I was like, oh, shoot, I shouldn't do that next time.

00:51:24.323 --> 00:51:27.123

And then Doc says, oh, when did you do that last time?

00:51:27.643 --> 00:51:34.023

So you can also give information without answering a question that helps relate

00:51:34.023 --> 00:51:37.763

to your audience, that gets the guests to think about something else they wanted

00:51:37.763 --> 00:51:40.703

to add or say, that maybe dives deeper into a topic.

00:51:40.703 --> 00:51:44.063

So it's not always a question.

00:51:44.323 --> 00:51:48.763

Sometimes it's just you responding as if you're having a conversation because

00:51:48.763 --> 00:51:50.303

you're having a conversation.

00:51:51.123 --> 00:51:56.343

So it's a two-sided thing. Don't feel like because you asked the question,

00:51:56.423 --> 00:51:58.943

they answered it. You're like, well, on to question two.

00:51:59.403 --> 00:52:05.443

Question two is this. Like you can respond and dive deeper on topics if you

00:52:05.443 --> 00:52:09.463

are listening to them and you think the answer that they gave is valuable and

00:52:09.463 --> 00:52:11.663

you want to contribute to it. I think that's completely fine.

00:52:11.843 --> 00:52:13.923

So maybe I'm wrong in that, but that's my feeling.

00:52:14.483 --> 00:52:19.363

No, you're 100% right. You're 100% right. So letting them say something that

00:52:19.363 --> 00:52:22.683

then evokes a curiosity or a secondary point. Like, oh, you know what?

00:52:22.703 --> 00:52:24.163

I have a point that I want to add to that.

00:52:24.443 --> 00:52:28.623

And even if the point is different. Now, I'm going to give you a little bit

00:52:28.623 --> 00:52:32.123

of a pass, but I still want you to try to hold it in the back of your head.

00:52:32.623 --> 00:52:37.863

I know that you are always trying to deliver the value because you are helping

00:52:37.863 --> 00:52:42.603

the quote-unquote new people, the beginners, that's to meet the fam,

00:52:42.703 --> 00:52:47.583

is to let people overcome their fear and for them to dig further.

00:52:47.843 --> 00:52:51.723

So I think part of the reason why you might.

00:52:52.807 --> 00:52:55.647

Lead a question is you're trying to make sure that the

00:52:55.647 --> 00:52:59.727

guest doesn't go far too technical or take

00:52:59.727 --> 00:53:03.947

it too far away from the center of the conversation I still

00:53:03.947 --> 00:53:08.467

would say don't lead the answer it is better to have the follow-up question

00:53:08.467 --> 00:53:15.787

so if you say to me doc why is it that in the middle of my stream occasionally

00:53:15.787 --> 00:53:20.467

the stream will get stuck and then speed up and go down and I go,

00:53:21.447 --> 00:53:23.427

well, that's the nature of RTMP.

00:53:23.687 --> 00:53:27.087

That's not something that Ecamm can solve. All of the people that are really,

00:53:27.187 --> 00:53:30.887

really hung up on sync are not understanding the sound waves in general.

00:53:31.227 --> 00:53:37.707

If you are doing something with RTMP, RTMP kind of grabs the signal and then

00:53:37.707 --> 00:53:41.287

you're like, okay, at the end of that question, you'll be like, RT what?

00:53:41.867 --> 00:53:46.927

No, I'm joking. Listen, most of the people in the audience are going to be relatively

00:53:46.927 --> 00:53:53.367

new. So is there a way you could restate that in more of a Katie answer?

00:53:54.967 --> 00:53:57.787

And I'll be like, okay, well, that's just the nature of the tech.

00:53:57.967 --> 00:54:01.327

The way RGMP works is sort of like a fire bucket brigade.

00:54:01.507 --> 00:54:05.907

And when there's a missing bucket, it doesn't know what to do with that missing bucket.

00:54:06.087 --> 00:54:08.767

Whereas people, we would just let that one fall on the ground,

00:54:08.927 --> 00:54:10.907

grab the next one and keep going to put the fire out.

00:54:11.367 --> 00:54:14.167

RGMP will spend the next three hours looking for that missing bucket.

00:54:14.167 --> 00:54:19.247

When it catches it, and that's why even on Netflix, sometimes you'll see the

00:54:19.247 --> 00:54:23.347

audio speed up or the picture kind of go grainy for a second and then come back.

00:54:23.587 --> 00:54:26.967

That's RTMP at work. It's just the nature. It's nothing you can do,

00:54:27.087 --> 00:54:29.927

nothing Ecamm can do. Just enjoy your show. Right?

00:54:30.367 --> 00:54:34.667

So that's how you can do it. That way you don't have to try to lead the question

00:54:34.667 --> 00:54:39.347

to lead them to give the ID10T answer.

00:54:40.807 --> 00:54:45.927

But you can still get to the ID10T answer. Yeah. Right. So that's the best way

00:54:45.927 --> 00:54:47.507

to do it instead of leading the question.

00:54:48.147 --> 00:54:51.747

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Now you guys know, now you guys have an answer.

00:54:52.474 --> 00:54:57.454

Well, we did it. I'm laughing at Valerie and Hank are just having their own

00:54:57.454 --> 00:54:59.534

conversation. They are.

00:55:00.454 --> 00:55:07.574

Hallery is having their own conversation. Well, I want to start closing up.

00:55:07.794 --> 00:55:14.534

But what I will say here at the end of this episode is that within the Ecamm

00:55:14.534 --> 00:55:18.714

fam and within kind of our world of all the shows that we do,

00:55:18.714 --> 00:55:23.954

there are so many opportunities to practice interviewing.

00:55:24.534 --> 00:55:29.234

So whether you want to be a guest on Meet the Ecamm Fam or you want to drop

00:55:29.234 --> 00:55:34.234

a note into the Facebook group or into the Discord and ask for interview guests

00:55:34.234 --> 00:55:37.434

or say that you want to be a guest, it is so,

00:55:37.694 --> 00:55:42.494

so, so easy for all of you to get started in practicing this.

00:55:42.614 --> 00:55:46.034

Even if you're just looking to get a little bit better and you're not yet ready

00:55:46.034 --> 00:55:49.794

to like have a show with guests or do something on a regular basis,

00:55:49.794 --> 00:55:56.394

I think it's a really incredibly important step to take to get those reps in

00:55:56.394 --> 00:55:58.994

and practice that. So please take advantage of that.

00:55:59.154 --> 00:56:04.294

We really do work very hard to foster a space that gives you every opportunity

00:56:04.294 --> 00:56:07.114

to practice using these different tools.

00:56:07.374 --> 00:56:11.374

And again, with Ecamm, you can do it through Zoom and through our Zoom integration,

00:56:11.574 --> 00:56:14.154

which actually has been my new favorite way.

00:56:14.254 --> 00:56:16.754

And I'm almost wondering if my internet would even be better.

00:56:17.014 --> 00:56:22.174

Zoom has been my new favorite way to do this. And then interview mode also is a great option as well.

00:56:22.314 --> 00:56:25.674

So lots of opportunities for you to be able to do that.

00:56:25.854 --> 00:56:28.814

Please take us up on that. Please take each other up on that.

00:56:29.554 --> 00:56:35.894

It really, the confidence and the ability to do it really well comes from the practice.

00:56:36.154 --> 00:56:38.854

You have to do the practice to get there. So please do that.

00:56:40.574 --> 00:56:46.654

And I just want to say something that we can walk out of here on,

00:56:46.774 --> 00:56:51.174

which is just, sorry, I'm super giggling and laughing.

00:56:53.932 --> 00:56:59.132

This is totally different because this is more about being a guest in the chat.

00:56:59.872 --> 00:57:03.332

People, for someone who, the guest who's already nervous.

00:57:04.292 --> 00:57:07.772

Okay, Katie's my guest. I'm the host. I'm running this show.

00:57:08.412 --> 00:57:12.332

When you ask her about the shelf that you can see above her head,

00:57:12.552 --> 00:57:16.332

you just wrecked her entire confidence for the show.

00:57:16.512 --> 00:57:19.972

It's not important to the conversation. It's not relevant to the conversation.

00:57:20.252 --> 00:57:26.152

Do not ask that question. it's like coming to somebody's house and saying hey

00:57:26.152 --> 00:57:27.812

man do your kids got clean drawers on,

00:57:29.252 --> 00:57:34.332

like it's it's irrelevant i'm not trying to be evil here and you can save that

00:57:34.332 --> 00:57:38.532

for the after show but it's our we're at home right me and katie are at home

00:57:38.532 --> 00:57:39.712

right now so it doesn't matter,

00:57:40.332 --> 00:57:43.092

um in this particular case but i see you guys do

00:57:43.092 --> 00:57:46.032

this all the time even when we show up to shows where we're ecam fam

00:57:46.032 --> 00:57:49.032

in somebody else's community that's not ours occasionally we

00:57:49.032 --> 00:57:51.972

do have crisscross applesauce people like for instance i

00:57:51.972 --> 00:57:56.272

i found mr camera junkie in the nicknaming stream but for

00:57:56.272 --> 00:58:02.012

for you to ask those type of technical situations while the show is about something

00:58:02.012 --> 00:58:08.592

else is not a good guest it just isn't you wouldn't go to somebody's house and

00:58:08.592 --> 00:58:12.772

ask them what type of lubricant do you use like it's just not a good question.

00:58:14.251 --> 00:58:19.911

And the answer to it is that the shelf is actually pretty far from me.

00:58:20.091 --> 00:58:23.131

It's way back, so I can't hit my head, I promise.

00:58:24.151 --> 00:58:29.151

But you are right. Questions like that do distract. I feel that often.

00:58:29.371 --> 00:58:34.511

If the guest is nervous, you can break the guest. They can't come back from that.

00:58:34.911 --> 00:58:41.751

And so all you did was you solved your problem because you have OCD or whatever,

00:58:41.751 --> 00:58:44.611

but you just broke the entire interview.

00:58:44.851 --> 00:58:49.651

I have watched somebody break the interview for Kathy and it ruined the show

00:58:49.651 --> 00:58:52.071

that Kathy was so excited to have a guest on.

00:58:52.451 --> 00:58:58.911

And she's already nervous. And, uh, you know, she's a consummate professional. She's a great chef.

00:58:59.371 --> 00:59:02.271

And somebody asked a question about

00:59:02.271 --> 00:59:05.151

her microphone when there was nothing wrong, by the way, it was them.

00:59:06.291 --> 00:59:11.251

And she spent the whole show worried about it and completely ruined the Black Friday stream.

00:59:11.911 --> 00:59:15.911

Where she had put all this effort in this prep and this whatever.

00:59:16.771 --> 00:59:20.771

Like, we can't, listen, we can't fix internet problems live.

00:59:20.991 --> 00:59:25.091

They just happen. We know this. We're recording. So we just keep going.

00:59:25.331 --> 00:59:29.211

Right? We can't fix this little screen thing that's going on with Katie right now.

00:59:30.351 --> 00:59:34.491

Right? We're recording. The recording will be gangster.

00:59:34.911 --> 00:59:38.531

But this show, like now what would happen is when you mentioned that,

00:59:38.531 --> 00:59:43.771

Katie's fumbling and now she's trying to figure it out like those of us who

00:59:43.771 --> 00:59:48.551

are the spotters we have her tech I mean her what is that thing on your phone

00:59:48.551 --> 00:59:53.111

with the little green bubble text we can text her we can slack her we can give

00:59:53.111 --> 00:59:55.191

her those informations and,

00:59:55.771 --> 00:59:58.931

I if I'm the first person to say you're on mute,

01:00:00.370 --> 01:00:04.670

Fine. I don't watch three other people say you're on mute and then add mine.

01:00:06.130 --> 01:00:09.290

Cause they already know they caught it the first time. Right.

01:00:09.810 --> 01:00:13.490

Uh, yes. Things like that. It's really, it's really hard to be a good netizen.

01:00:13.910 --> 01:00:17.250

I know a lot of this is new to people. I know a lot of us have these questions,

01:00:17.770 --> 01:00:20.650

but like I saw that question and I'm glad she ignored it.

01:00:20.770 --> 01:00:25.370

I ignored it cause we know better, but listen, please,

01:00:25.690 --> 01:00:28.350

by all means it is super hard, especially cause we're

01:00:28.350 --> 01:00:31.150

ecam fam and we know the tech don't ask them

01:00:31.150 --> 01:00:34.030

a tech question in a not a tech q a

01:00:34.030 --> 01:00:36.830

session like if angelique is telling you about your

01:00:36.830 --> 01:00:40.410

finance don't ask her what camera she's using she's trying to tell you how to

01:00:40.410 --> 01:00:45.290

save money to get out of your mortgage and you start asking her about her camera

01:00:45.290 --> 01:00:48.510

is none of your business look in the description it's probably in the description

01:00:48.510 --> 01:00:54.630

i'm done it is worth just adding and everyone i think everyone here knows this

01:00:54.630 --> 01:00:56.790

but if you're listening to this and you're not um.

01:00:57.610 --> 01:01:00.290

You're not you know a hoster is using any

01:01:00.290 --> 01:01:03.590

of these tools regularly it ecamm definitely

01:01:03.590 --> 01:01:07.890

has this most of the other recording tools have this as well there is the option

01:01:07.890 --> 01:01:14.250

to turn off the comment the comment view when you're doing an interview so that

01:01:14.250 --> 01:01:18.330

when your guest joins the interview they actually don't see the comments so

01:01:18.330 --> 01:01:21.470

that then that leaves it so you as the host can choose to,

01:01:22.130 --> 01:01:25.910

mention comments or feature comments on screen as you want the guest to see it.

01:01:26.090 --> 01:01:30.130

And in cases where you have a guest who is not used to doing this,

01:01:30.350 --> 01:01:31.870

especially in a live scenario,

01:01:32.230 --> 01:01:36.870

you might want to do that because like a lot of people who are doing live streams

01:01:36.870 --> 01:01:41.370

often and are used to the live chat might find it reassuring or fun or,

01:01:41.430 --> 01:01:43.430

you know, great to see kind of comments and feedback come through.

01:01:43.570 --> 01:01:48.310

But many of them, it might just be too much and distracting and make it feel

01:01:48.310 --> 01:01:51.750

scarier than it needs to. So, again, that's kind of worth...

01:01:53.807 --> 01:01:57.287

It's worth keeping in mind, like who is the guest and what is your audience

01:01:57.287 --> 01:01:58.847

like and are you doing it live?

01:01:59.047 --> 01:02:02.967

And if that's the case, you might want to check that box and just not have that

01:02:02.967 --> 01:02:07.627

chat showing to people and just tell your guest, hey, just stay here in this environment.

01:02:08.007 --> 01:02:10.247

Don't watch the stream while we're going. We're just recording.

01:02:10.507 --> 01:02:12.007

We're having a conversation. People are watching.

01:02:12.287 --> 01:02:16.167

So like it, think about those things. And again, you're only going to think

01:02:16.167 --> 01:02:20.187

about them if you go through and practice and do it and see what happens or

01:02:20.187 --> 01:02:22.547

what, you know, what kinds of things your audience is asking.

01:02:22.547 --> 01:02:24.327

So that's a really good point, Doc.

01:02:24.467 --> 01:02:29.707

And I think it's a training for your audience, but also it's worth knowing as

01:02:29.707 --> 01:02:36.047

a host and as an interview guest, because it may change how you do that interview as the host, right?

01:02:36.187 --> 01:02:39.707

Like maybe you know your audience asks lots of tech, like Ecamm customers always

01:02:39.707 --> 01:02:41.007

ask lots of tech questions, right?

01:02:41.107 --> 01:02:44.987

That's why we have Paul in the chat who says, you know, right now we're only

01:02:44.987 --> 01:02:47.947

talking about podcasting, etc. So we could ignore those.

01:02:48.067 --> 01:02:50.947

But if we had a guest coming on who was nervous, we might just turn off the chat

01:02:50.947 --> 01:02:53.747

and just not have them have that as an option to see

01:02:53.747 --> 01:02:56.747

yeah yeah i

01:02:56.747 --> 01:02:59.867

know i like that and for your tech questions people please come friday

01:02:59.867 --> 01:03:05.327

like i'm sitting on friday you have me for a solid hour and the fam will show

01:03:05.327 --> 01:03:10.147

up and we'll talk about japanese whiskey or something because y'all ain't came

01:03:10.147 --> 01:03:16.907

through so every other friday you could ask me everything down to the wire every

01:03:16.907 --> 01:03:19.487

other this friday at 2 p.m Eastern,

01:03:19.747 --> 01:03:24.647

I will be locked in the Zoom room waiting for you to ask me these crazy questions.

01:03:25.347 --> 01:03:28.547

But I want to remind you right now. I want to remind you right now.

01:03:28.647 --> 01:03:31.087

I'm going to say this one more time. With the exception of Angelique,

01:03:31.147 --> 01:03:34.687

because she's having a crazy tech problem. By the way, Angelique, check the new minis.

01:03:38.647 --> 01:03:44.547

Every piece of gear you need to create the show that is going to save you from

01:03:44.547 --> 01:03:47.607

sitting still, you already own.

01:03:48.127 --> 01:03:51.347

Yep. You don't need to buy anything else, okay?

01:03:51.567 --> 01:03:54.667

I'm going to be here next week with a brand new gear telling you to buy it.

01:03:54.727 --> 01:03:56.507

But you don't need to buy anything else.

01:03:56.667 --> 01:04:00.527

All you need to do is have Ecamm and this.

01:04:01.587 --> 01:04:06.207

Everything else is gravy. It does not matter.

01:04:07.107 --> 01:04:12.727

Turn what you have on. Create 25 pieces of content before you think about using

01:04:12.727 --> 01:04:14.887

your credit card for another thing.

01:04:15.167 --> 01:04:20.487

Make that promise to yourself. I will create 25 pieces of content before I buy

01:04:20.487 --> 01:04:23.807

another freaking wire. Try that for size.

01:04:25.099 --> 01:04:28.519

Because I'm telling y'all, I see some of y'all still planning.

01:04:28.759 --> 01:04:31.739

And I'm like, what are you planning? You got six subscribers. What are you planning?

01:04:32.359 --> 01:04:37.479

What you need to do is do your show. Yeah. But we're not talking about that. That's true. All right.

01:04:38.379 --> 01:04:42.519

Do the day. Well, we did it. People, this is good to flow. I was worried for

01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.459

a second. I was like, I don't know. Do we have enough to say about interviewing? But we did.

01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:51.319

I'm excited. I got a whole course. I could do this for five hours. That's true.

01:04:52.579 --> 01:04:53.859

Sorry. Continue on, Doc. You

01:04:53.859 --> 01:04:58.319

were giving your outro. No, we're going to wrap this joint up next week.

01:04:58.499 --> 01:05:01.159

We are going to do a really cool interview.

01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.639

I get to be a guest next week. Katie will be the host.

01:05:04.819 --> 01:05:09.679

I will be guesting with my partner in crime, Mary Lou from Creators of Stuck.

01:05:09.819 --> 01:05:10.999

So we're going to come here.

01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.499

If you have these questions, if you feel stuck in any way, shape or form,

01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:19.199

please get them suckers written down or send them in to marketing at ecamm.com.

01:05:19.399 --> 01:05:23.759

And then in your subject matter, just put RE unstuck and send them to Katie

01:05:23.759 --> 01:05:27.839

so that she can give Mary Lou and I the questions.

01:05:28.099 --> 01:05:31.279

And it's funny, Katie, you mentioned you don't like rapid-fire questions.

01:05:31.479 --> 01:05:34.259

One of the things that Mary Lou does at the end of the show,

01:05:34.359 --> 01:05:37.019

which has become my favorite part of the show, she's like, all right,

01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:40.859

rapid-fire questions, Doc, here you go. And I have no idea what they are.

01:05:41.139 --> 01:05:46.419

In our runner show, it has a huge, gigantic font. Doc, do not look in here.

01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.959

Because she writes them down so that she can have them.

01:05:49.779 --> 01:05:52.599

And I'm always on the notion, like, I kind of want to click it.

01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:55.779

I kind of want to click it because my brain does not like these things.

01:05:55.779 --> 01:05:58.579

I would have to click it. Yeah, Virgo moves. I'd have to click it.

01:05:58.799 --> 01:06:03.019

Thank you. Okay, because you're Virgo. You get it. I never click it. It drives me insane.

01:06:03.279 --> 01:06:06.779

I'm like, Mary Lou, just don't even put it there because I'm hovering going,

01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:08.979

click it, don't click it, click it, don't click it.

01:06:09.139 --> 01:06:13.339

Yeah, because I need to be perfect because Virgo vibes.

01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:17.879

And so I want to know the question so I can answer them because I don't want

01:06:17.879 --> 01:06:20.659

her to be like, this question. And people are like, I don't know, I don't know.

01:06:21.635 --> 01:06:24.815

All right, there you go. So Val's going to create 25 pieces of content,

01:06:24.995 --> 01:06:27.515

and Paul is going to buy Val a new Mac Mini.

01:06:27.635 --> 01:06:30.715

You guys heard it first here on The Flow. Absolutely love that setup.

01:06:31.075 --> 01:06:37.495

Ladies and gentlemen, The Flow is brought to you anytime on English.

01:06:37.695 --> 01:06:40.295

You can find us at flow.ecap.com. That's what I was trying to say.

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You can find us at flow.ecap.com. Go over there, drop us a review,

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leave us a question, leave us a voicemail.

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Anything that you want to know about the flow, please send it over there,

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including questions for next week.

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And we got to give a massive shout out, massive, massive shout out to Captivate.

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Captivate has come through every time. If you're looking for a place to host

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this new show, check out Captivate FM.

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My favorite thing about Captivate is they're designed to help you grow.

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Designed to help you grow. Paul, my credit card number is zero.

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Thank you so much, everyone, for listening to The Flow.

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This is just absolute. That was a great show, Kate. Yeah, thanks.

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Thanks, everyone. You all brought such amazing questions.

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And again, if we could just say it over and over again, no one is perfect at

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this. You have to practice to get there.

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You don't get confident without being scared and working your way through it

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and failing and learning and growing and doing. So please, please, please just try.

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Just get out there and try if you need help. If you've seen all the mistakes

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I make, how do you not know you can't be perfect? I make mistakes all the time.

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Constantly, constantly, constantly making mistakes. We get it.

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We also want to be perfect, but we have to fail to get there.

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So let's push the buttons and fail and keep trying and keep getting better. So we're here to help.

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I'm laughing at Paul. Guys, you know how we do We run this sucker out of here Flo Riders! Out!

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Aloha, mahalo.

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Music.